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i just love outfits referencing the characters
She fell in spite of herself / in love with Orpheus.
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Insane actually that until I saw Hadestown live I'd never heard anyone talk about the candle. The candle that is hope?? The candle that's THE LAST THING YOU SEE as the stage goes dark at the end of the show. The candle that the Fates blow out, that Eurydice relights at the start of every performance? Kept safe by Hermes until the story is told again? That candle???
Well personally I'M never going to stop thinking about it
"he has the kind of love for her that you and i once had."
god i love hadestown so much and this recording is next level. oh my god. oh my GOD.
people always talk about the doomed love timeloop when they talk about hadestown. look i love that shit as much as the next homosexual but can we please talk about the revolutionary politics. genuinely one of the best anticapitalist pieces of art of the 21st century. can we watch act 2 with our brains please
what they don't tell you about hadestown is that orpheus and eurydice are not the main characters. neither are persephone and hades. or hermes. or the fates. the main character is whoever in the band is playing the trombone because holy fuck
“Come home with me!”
Imagine being Anais Mitchell and writing a song about the rhetoric of fascism so incisive and prescient that 10 years later an actual fascist would use that exact rhetoric down to the highly-specific phrasing in his presidential campaign. But also it took 10 years for the project you wrote that song for to move from living room shows to concept album to theater workshop to off-Broadway to Broadway, and its Broadway debut ended up coinciding with said fascist's successful bid for the presidency, and now it looks like your song that you wrote in 2005 is a super unsubtle reference to that one particular and highly-topical politician.
Frankly if I were her I would have started killing.
no okay but persephone. when you listen to the soundtrack it's like she's a party girl she drinks and has fun but you guys dont understand because every single time she took a drink she grimaced. every single time. not once did she enjoy herself, because it wasn't her indulging in her wants it was her coping. and even!! even during livin it up on top when everyone takes a drink there's a moment of silence where they all look almost disgusted by it. none of them enjoy it it doesn't taste good to any of them yet still they drink it??
and then UGH okay because lady of the underground i was under the impression that she was interacting with the workers and whatnot like making the cracks in the wall that orpheus was about to break down but there's no one on stage. the only people on stage are the musicians, hermes, and persephone. none of the workers are there. she's singing to herself. do you understand do you get it?? especially with why do we build the wall right before that because I didn't realize persephone was in that song?? and the whole time she looks terrified. she Doesn't want to be here she Doesn't want to engage with this (my mom compared the song to being at a maga rally and she was 100% correct) but she does anyway, perhaps because she's forced to. and the look of heartbreak when eurydice appears; the way eurydice is confused and put off at first, but it doesn't take long for her to learn the words and join in????
eurydice and persephone is a whole other thing because I never realized how much of a relationship they had. like persephone is quick to be friendly with her, and eurydice is enthralled by that attention. but then during chant when persephone is singing about like the earth dying and people starving she's looking at eurydice walking by. she's looking at her and she looks heartbroken, she's reaching out to her but she can't reach her because she's not there. she watches as the fates strip eurydice of everything she has, and then that look of despair changes of one to fear as hades' eyes land on eurydice as he declares he'll find someone else who will be grateful. and I know that like flowers can be like an analogy for sa but I really felt it during that part. not so much in songbird vs rattlesnake? but definitely during the end of chant like AJHVSGDJAS.
and then like I said when eurydice enters the underworld persephone looks shaken. because she knows eurydice, and she knows orpheus, and- idk man. imagine being in hell and someone you know shows up, but you know they can't leave and you know they're soon to become a shell of who they once were. like. yeah
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i was training a young person at work, and she referred to sexual assault as "SA" out loud, and i immediately was like, "no, it's sexual assault, call it what it is," bc idgaf if the algorithm overlords have taught y'all that you should fear direct language, how tf do any of you expect to ever address real issues with any amount of seriousness if you can't even say the words? imagine an advocate looking a sexual assault survivor in the eyes and asking "did he grape you?" it's absolutely fucking absurd, but these young interns and new hires are coming into an environment where we deal with survivors of all different kinds of abuse, and they're coming with the mindset that the words are as bad as the actions, and that makes them shitty at the job and look juvenile af
i HATE self-censorship for a lot of reasons, but being in crisis work makes it even more frustrating. who are you censoring for? like i am being so fr, WHO are you censoring for? have you even thought it through? people who have been raped know that they have been raped. if someone attempts suicide or is grieving someone who did, saying "sewer slide" isn't going to protect them from any of the feelings. a murder victim's family isn't going to feel better bc you said "unalived" instead of murdered. if anything, it's just extremely invalidating and othering. it's saying "what happened to you is so bad that i won't even say the word," which is NOT trauma-informed care. you are not protecting survivors/victims when you self-censor. the ONLY things you protect when you self-censor are the puritanical ideologies that are being encouraged by rich fascists who want your money and obedience
say the fucking words, guys. just say the goddamn words before i go insane!!!
mentally unwell orphydice sketch dump. thank you.
do you think theyre really close friends?
what was frank's scene like with lesbian and gay friends? did he have many of them? did he or they ever talk about each other?
this is a great question that i sort of feel like i don’t have enough concrete information to answer, but i’ll present what i have and you can take it from there.
frank sinatra had a steadfast, lifelong policy of live and let live. it sounds shallow, but he actually lived it. it was that deceptively simple idea that influenced a lot of his politics and his social liberalism. he felt that, if you weren’t deliberately hurting another person, you should be able to do whatever you want. in a way, i think he took this mindset almost too far when you look at some of the more unsavory people he befriended–and not just mobsters.
in terms of lgbqp friends, he absolutely had them and some of them were very close friends. he absolutely adored montgomery clift. greta garbo stayed in his home (with his wife!). he slept with and was good friends with marlene dietrich. he was friends with cole porter, noel coward, joan crawford, jeff chandler. he was very close with cary grant. billie holiday was his hero, and he also greatly admired ethel waters. additionally, he worked (and got along) with people such as laurence harvey, marlon brando, and many others i would assume.
additionally, sammy davis jr is believed to have been bisexual, and there has been similar speculation about ava gardner.
which brings me to my next point–just because some of these people were lgbpq, doesn’t mean they were out to frank, or out at all. i honestly have no idea whether sammy would have talked to frank about a male conquest–and i don’t think there’s any way to know that for sure. they certainly seemed to talk about pretty much everything else. some of the people i listed were out, and frank had to have known about their same gender relationships. however, that also doesn’t mean he ever discussed it with them, and that’s another thing i have no way of knowing. it’s generally my belief that frank was very accepting of homosexuality/bisexuality, but i don’t want to let him off the hook and declare that without more sufficient proof.
he did sing the lyrics “boys with boys/and girls with girls do it” at a show once (it was a parody of let’s do it written by sammy cahn). he also made the film the detective, which many look at today and think of as overtly homophobic and thus assign that trait to frank. they’re right about the film being homophobic, and not standing up today in any way. however, look more closely. frank’s character bristles against the other cops’ slurs and homophobic remarks throughout the entire film, and at one point makes a “live and let live” type remark that sounds like it’s straight out of frank’s mouth. he’s pretty much the only cop in the whole film that treats any of the gay characters with kindness and decency, and that point is not subtle. i’m positive frank took the role in part to say something about that–he had a history of making political statements in his films, actually.
on the negative side, we know that he called johnny mathis “the african queen” on stage, and made the same joke about sammy. people who haven’t listened to their shows carefully might not realize it, but a great deal of rat pack humor is centered around homosexuality/gay men. a lot of it is actually quite flirty and not dismissive in its tone, and then other parts are. so there’s that.
lastly, in regards to monty, i will say that someone told me years ago that frank snubbed monty when he came onto frank and that ended their friendship. for one thing, i don’t think their friendship ever really ended as he visited the set of the misfits and spoke nothing but the kindest possible words about monty for his entire life. monty was also the sole individual that frank thanked when he won his oscar. so anyway, i actually went looking for this story in preparation for answering your question. here’s what patricia bosworth’s biography of monty says:
to me that could read as homophobia related, but it could also read as sinatra protecting monty from shaming/criticism. so, you be the judge i suppose.
so what i would say is, being a straight man in his era, frank was more accepting of lgbpq individuals than most, and formed close relationships with those people throughout his life. that doesn’t mean he never made any homophobic remarks, but i don’t think he specifically had anything against gayness and i do believe that his philosophy of life would have prevented him from being deliberately cruel to anyone because of their sexual orientation.
I can’t even pick which one would be saying it
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