MabiMath's Ask Page

[mabimathask]

Hello, I was wonder if it would be better to have on two blades, final hit max dmg reforge (10 on each) or ele 6 (3 on each) for DPS purpose only (basically just final hit, not really on the bash side), which reforge would be better for final hit? Thanks in advance :)

Because Final Hit Max Damage adds damage after the 400% scaling, if you’re up against an enemy that is not immune to elemental reforges (much of the new content is), element 6 would be better as long as 55% of your damage is greater than 200. Saying it another way, your damage needs to exceed 363 for Element 6 to exceed Final Hit Max Damage.

[mabimathask]

I've seen you recommend blue spec upgrades for Fire wands unless you can exceed ~415 Magic Attack, but it seems you don't account for max damage increases, which make up an equally large portion of Firebolt damage (0.4 scaling in fact, compared to magic attack's 0.5). Wouldn't this make red spec more effective than blue?

This is the case when you use a wand, enchants and Battlefield Overture. I cut those out in order to make math simpler, but you are indeed correct.

[mabimathask]

Could you work out the DPS for the best alchemy related master title? In terms of when, if ever, is the -1 second Chain Cylinder cooldown from the master title better than the +10/15 Alchemy damage from the likes of Golden Time Master/Alchemy Master/ Royal Alchemist in the context of consistant WC/FB spam.

With perfect animation cancelling, you won’t notice -1 second on Chain Cylinder with Master title if you’re Flame Bursting and you let the Chain Cylinder go through. Since Chain Cylinder is once per 10 seconds and Flame Burst’s full rotation lasts 6, it just becomes every other Flame Burst is 5 charged.

Water Cannon is where you’ll notice it as, with perfect animation cancelling, You’ll have a full charge Water Cannon every 9 shots rather than 10. With an average animation canceller, it might be 8 and 9 instead.

I no longer play Mabinogi, but I can advise you. Find your main combos that you like and ask yourself whether or not the extra second off makes a difference. Most of the time, the answer will be no, but if you spend a lot of time on the edge cases, it might be more worth it.

[mabimathask]

Could you explain why an Ego firewand is considered top tier? I dont understand how something without special upgrades can be better than an r6 tribolt.

This is difficult, as no one actually knows the crit damage bonus of using an Ego Fire Wand. At least, no one I know. In turn, let’s first calculate their pre-critical damages then work on it from there. Firebolt’s damage formula, when simplified, are as followed:

*(Milletian has 400 magic damage and is dusting off his math brain, not having posted or played in a long time)

((Base Damage [120] + Wand Damage Bonus [115 or 12]) + (Wand Element Bonus [30 or 0] * Number of Charges [5]) + (Magic Damage [400] *  0.5)) * 6.5

This ends up as 2158 for the Celtic Tribolt Wand while the Ego Fire Wand has 3802 Damage. When you add in multipliers, this number gets much higher.

When you calculate their crit damages, the Ego Fire Wand crits for 9506 with a 1.5 added multiplier and the Tribolt Wand Crits for 6732 with an added multiplier of 2.12.

The equation is extremely simplified, but should give you an idea of what it’s looking to be. The damage of the ego fire wand adds to firebolt, making its base damages higher. However, as you get more damage on your spells, it will even out. If you were to calculate the cap of firebolt with reforges and all stats possible maxed out, it’s possible for the 6R or 7R wand to get ahead.

But you probably already read that when you posted it to reddit.

[mabimathask]

Question, I'm currently working towards a master mage/Archer/fighter combo, the mage and fighter will go hand in hand using merlins knuckles, red or blue upgrade?

Since Merlin Knuckles don’t give magic attack, the only thing that benefits the magic side of things significantly are red upgrades. That said, for physical damage, red will outscale blue starting at 454 damage while for magic, red will always outscale blue.

[mabimathask]

Hey there! Which Weapon is better? The Jeweled Control Bars or the Demonic ones? .-. I am not a master yet but I was thinking about enchanting/reforging my jeweled ones but I am not sure

Hey there, the demonic ones are stronger because they can be special upgraded and their first normal upgrade is far more powerful than anything Jeweled Control Bars get.

[mabimathask]

Hi, I was curious if it was better to red up or blue up a fire wand. I was told recently that red up was better for cc fire wand spam than it would be for a blue up one.

It's better to blue upgrade a Fire Wand unless you have over 415 (or so) Magic Attack before special upgrades.

[mabimathask]

Hey i was wondering whats the difference between Elements for armour, not the reforge version, more as in the ones that drop from sprites, ice fire, lighting, etc. Anyway, I was wondering which is the best Element to use? or would it be better to use no ele at all? can you give me any info on this? Much appreciated :)

Overall, it’s probably better to not use any element at all. They will change your damage by 11% based on what you’re fighting. Fire will deal 11% more to Ice. Ice will deal 11% more to Fire. Lightning will deal 5.5% more to Ice and Fire, but take 5.5% more from those elements.

This is multiplied by the amount of elemental armour pieces you have and the elemental-ness of the target.

Reforges work a completely different way, so ignore all of that for reforges.

[mabimathask]

hihi, ive seen people use blue hermit staffs, would it be better to go red upgraded staff or blue? as most use blue and most use red, so many telling me both outclass each other, any insight? thanks :)

Red is only really good if you have over 500 Magic Attack on a Hermit Staff, and even then, it’s arguably not better.

Blue is for consistent damage on a Hermit Staff, and a lot of damage it is.

[mabimathask]

Hi! I was wondering if you could do a damage comparison of Hagi Shurikens and Anju shurikens granted that they are both r6 and with all ninja skills at r1. I feel as though Anju will definitely win in this one since unlike Gunslinging, there is no Way of the Gun to promote attack speed. But I was wondering how much better Anju's are compared to Hagi's.

Hagi’s is better for control situations. If you’re challenging yourself to finish a mission without getting hit, Hagi’s ability to juggle wins almost nearly outright.

Anju’s is better for DPS. If your goal is to finish a mission as fast as possible, Anju’s increased skill damage is definitely what you’re after.

Yes, you can juggle with Anju’s. Yes, you can damage with Hagi’s. But those are more specialized.

In most cases, ability to damage wins and Anju’s is your choice, but it doesn’t hurt to keep a Hagi’s just in case. A Shuriken Charge by Anju’s rather than Hagi’s will be doing up to 120 to 240 more damage and each attack will be doing up to 28 more damage.

I also find Hagi’s playstyle more fun, but that’s personal preference.

[mabimathask]

How would you compare Merlin Knuckles to Demonic Knuckles now that magic renovation is here, with 1 minute snap casts, stronger fused bolts, faster int magic and lightning rod?

If you’re going fighter pure with red upgrades, Demonic Knuckles all the way. It takes a bit of practice to figure out a good playstyle with the Merlin Knuckles, but if you find a good playstyle (mine involves Snap Cast, Spellwalk, the Advanced Magics, the Intermediate Magics, Lightning Bolt and Shockwave), it’ll have more utility than Fighter or Magic alone.

I also think almost any playstyle can be enhanced by adding Lightning Rod to the mix if you can.

I don’t even play Mabinogi anymore, so I won’t do any more math for it, but I think Merlin Knuckles are better as long as you put in the stat and skill investment.

[mabimathask]

Hello, I was wondering what is the best 2h weapon to use? I've seen people use HLC over a Demonic lance, as it has higher damage if both were fully graded and step 6 red, what would you say is the best? And was also wondering what specail upgrade to go on a tidal wave cylinder, red or blue? Tyvm

First off, the question of HLC vs Demonic Lance is answered by, "It depends on what you're fighting." The Demonic Lance can get up to 9 Piercing if you have the right enchantments. Against an enemy with high Defense and Protection, you will do a lot more damage with you Lance than with the Highlander Claymore. If you're looking to do Hardmode missions, the enemies will have between 24 to 50 Protection. Being able to ignore 45 of that would leave them as if they weren't wearing armor. Imagine doing twice the damage than a Highlander Claymore.

As for Tidal Wave Cylinder, I would do red, as Water Cannon benefits more from Red upgrades than Blue past a certain point. For more information, check out my Alchemy Red vs Blue post somewhere on my blog!

[mabimathask]

Hello, what in your opinion would be the best bow to use? I'm currently using a BDK bow but feel its not very strong in damage, other people i ask say using a HLB with red upgrade would be better and others think the BDK bow matches the damage with a red HLB.. Could you give me some insight to this at all? Thanks in advance :)

A step 6 HLB will beat a BDK bow at 680 damage or so. It sounds like a lot, but when you count Battlefield Overture and a lot of stat buffs in end game, it's pretty doable.

[mabimathask]

For Demonic Control Bars, would I be better to go Red or Blue? And as for Demonic Gloomy Sunday, would it be better for Red or Blue? :o

You should probably Red for Control Bars, as they count as a normal two handed weapon and red will be good eventually.

As for Gloomy Sunday, I don't know why you would Special Upgrade it, but I think it follows the same rules as a two handed weapon.

[mabimathask]

I have a question or 2 about Element reforges for Weapons :o If you Ele reforge a Beam Sword and another beam sword and dual weild them, would the elemental damage stack? Also the wiki states Melee AND Range weapons can be Elemental reforged, does this mean Wands, Shurikens, Guns, Control bars. Staffs and Cylinders be Ele reforged? :o

Basically anything can be elementally reforged. How useful it is is a different question. One handed weapons only get elemental up to 3. Shurikens as well. Control Bars' melee damage will be affected, but not the marionette damage (allegedly).

I'm afraid that's the only answer I can give you, I don't have that much knowledge on reforges.

As a note, only melee and ranged damage are affected. Magic won't be affected in any way.

[mabimathask]

So I'm using Hagi's Shuriken and wanted to know wether I should Red grade it or Blue upgrade it?

It's similar to Merlin Knuckles in that Red Upgrade is better than Blue Upgrade at above 450 or so damage at rank 1 Critical Hit. Even if you have low damage, if you're planning on using that shuriken for a long time to come, you will eventually end up with enough damage to make red stronger than blue.

I'd go for red for the long run.

[mabimathask]

Hi, how to earn 1 million gold in mabinogi starting with 100k gold within 6 months without investing cash? I am not VIP and my combat skills are decent enough to do Elite level shadow missions (not alone though) in Tara, with some life skills like Capentry / Cooking / Catering / Refining maxed out.

In terms of making money through combat there are many options available. If you’re a mage around level 2000, constant shadow mission runs will be expensive for you due to mana costs. If you’re a puppeteer, you’re useless on raft, so it narrows it down.

Many Thunder mages go on rafting and get about 60-70 stars, enough for 5 Teeth Pattern Ankle Boots. They then sell those to the NPC for 4k each, making about 20k per 10 or so minute run.

Almost any class can run Battle for Taillteann 2 Hardmode quickly, finishing it from 2.5 - 7 minutes. Each run nets you around 18k in gold drops and 17k for completing the run. An ideal class for this would be the Puppeteer, who can Act 6 and Act 7 each wave. Running with a party helps with money making, as it increases run speed significantly.

Defeat the Fomor Commander 2 is a textbook money making mission for if you have a party helping you. Without a party though, I would say that Battle for Taillteann 2 is better.

I would spend my first 100k on a cheap weapon depending on my class. Beginner weapons cost 1g per point to repair. Hagi’s Shuriken offers speed and cheap repairs. This is especially true if you’re a mage, as repair costs will eat into your soul and profits.

For life, Holy Water is one of the best ways for a Life user to make money, and a good way for a combat user to save money. Weavers are also in high demand. Shearers and cobweb gatherers are can sell their thick and thin threads for a lot of money, able to make a few million in a single day if they’re diligent. It burns you out quickly though, or more people would do it. You’ll want to invest your first 100k into either Holy Water gathering tools (Weeding Hoes for Potatoes, Sickles for Wheat) or into gathering knives.

General Combat Money Making Tips:

Find a profitable money source for you. Battle for Taillteann II, Conflict, Defeat the Fomor Commander II, Shadow Cast City and Their Method are some easy ways to make money. Rafting and Rabbie Dungeon work as well. I know of a couple people who page hunt for their money, but I don’t recommend it unless you have an iron willpower. I’ve made 8m worth of items in a single day with less than 500k investment, but it takes a lot of work for results to start showing.

Find a super cheap item to use. Powerful items will take away from your profits quickly. A lot of people have a money-making weapon for general cheap repair purposes and an extremely powerful weapon of killing everything for dealing with powerful enemies.

Have Holy Water. This will save you a lot of money in the long run. If you’re not having your items blessed constantly, you’re losing money through repairs (if you’re not using a beginner item).

General Life Money Making Tips:

Gather Holy Water. Everyone needs it. Most people are too lazy to get it themselves. A few elite people would make more money doing missions than gathering holy water, so it’s actually unprofitable for them to gather Holy Water. You’ll end up not making too much money at first, but then getting almost two stacks of Holy Water every in game day. It’s also possible to do this in between combat runs or gathering wool and cobwebs.

Make Thin and Thick Thread. Lazy weavers will pay good money for these. These can make a couple million per day with no overhead costs if you’re diligent.