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yanpyre

the man who stole viktor from the world

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ghost-9ight

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MAPPA look what you did

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mappawhereisyoi

So… MAPPA says that Yuri on Ice was successful but the amount of money they got from the project was insignificant.

The math is not mathing. You and your partners quickly committed to an internationally released movie because of the potential for profit. The DVD/Blu-Ray sales were through the roof (meanwhile, you talk about Chainsaw Man underperforming in that area).

You won’t comment on Yuri on Ice for years, and now you are trying to diminish its importance to your studio? When it put you on the map? Okay.

「Kompass」は、CINRA.NETとSpotifyが共同で立ち上げた音楽ガイドマガジンです。オススメの音楽やプレイリスト、アーティストインタビューやコラムなどの記事を発信しています。

rikeijo

What you guys seem to not understand is that MAPPA really doesn't own the rights to Yuri!!! on ICE.

Otsuka even says it in this very interview... The way the industry is constructed makes it so that all the money goes to the actual IP holders, the production committee, and the studio gets only a very small share, because they are legally not entitled to get more.

That's why they made Chainsaw man the way they did... without the production committee - to have control over it and over the money.

Yuri!!! has a production committee and the trademark is in Avex Pictures' hands. Every YoI merch has Avex' logo on it. Naturally, this is were the money goes.

Here's publicly available info on Jp patents and trademarks. Search for "ユーリ！！！on ICE".

mappawhereisyoi

We all understand that. We know it is not solely the studio (in this case, Mappa) that profits from anime. Forgive me for not putting the disclaimer in the original post.

Yuri on Ice was an extremely successful anime - top 10 of all time in Blu-ray/DVD sales. Mappa used to sing its praises. It paved the way for their current state.

They would not have committed so quickly to a movie (much less an intentional release) if the franchise did not have immense profit potential for them. After years of no updates, we get this comment that seems to write the entire thing off. Of course we are upset.

rikeijo

But if you read the whole interview it's quite clear that he doesn't try to write the success off. He only says that even though it was a big hit, they couldn't get a fair share of profit, because this is how the industry works and it's very much legal...:

"Otsuka: For example, "Yuri!!! on ICE" which our studio produced can be described as a big success, but the amount of money that we got was very little when compared with the scale of that success. I think that it's also the studio responsibility, because we have agree for it to be like that, and I started to think about how to make it so that we are able to do more things on our own. You can't control it, if the work you are producing is going to be a big success or not, so I thought that if we won't be able to use the few chances [successful titles] that we have, we won't grow as a company."

What do you expect MAPPA to do in YoI's case? Illegally use the trademark that isn't theirs and take the money? Or not talk about how unfair the situation is, that they barely have the money to pay the animators, and the higher-ups get even richer thanks to their hard work?

I really understand being upset with the situation with IceAdo (I'm too), but I just can't understand what do you want them to do with it? Because if you look at it objectively, they can't control this IP, as it isn't theirs - and this is exactly what Otsuka is talking about in this interview.

mappawhereisyoi

No one is saying anything about wanting them to take anyone’s money or not talk about industry practices.

We understand that the focus of this interview is not Yuri on Ice (and that it is only briefly mentioned) but this is the first time that the series has been mentioned in recent memory despite the fact that there is a movie 4 years overdue now. The comments made about it seem to indicate that the project was not one that was profitable to them. If that is the case, why commit to continuing it so quickly and on such a large and ambitious scale? Why not be like WIT and pass to another studio if it was not working out in their favor?

It is odd to me that after years of silence and the recent interest/questions (in part because of Fantasy on Ice and History Maker), the first comment made about the series could be a potential out for them.

(Sorry, I reblogged before you added the last paragraph. In general, in regards to Ice Adolescence, we want them to either officially cancel the project and put us all out of our misery or actually give us an update.)

rikeijo

I'm sorry for dragging this on, but I just have the feeling that everyone is google translating the tweet with half a quote from that interview, and uses it as another excuse to hate Mappa, or what's even more bizarre to me, Otsuka himself.

It's a well-know fact that production committee system is disadvantageous to the studios and this is what the interview is about. He simply says that Mappa was affected by it, too, and all the money from YoI went somewhere else. If you guys just want to hate people, who just want to earn a living (and Otsuka as a CEO is responsible for his employees, so of course he cares about the money), there's nothing I can do to stop you, but I doubt it will make IceAdo happen.

And FaOI... They invited Dean, I's say, because he is a singer that has a connection to figure skating, so he was a good choice. But he was there as himself, not as "the guy that sings Yuri!!! on ICE opening". In his profile on FaOI website, they didn't even mention Yuri!!!. So, I really don't think that it's the evil MAPPA deceiving YoI fandom again... People involved with YoI just continue to live their lives and do their work.

mappawhereisyoi

You are putting words in my mouth. I’m not out to hate anyone, especially those who “just want to earn a living”, and by making that comment it is clear that you are not listening to what I am actually saying. If I have not been clear in the reasons that we have questions about the situation and are disappointed with the comment in the interview, then I am sorry.

As for FaOI, I was only saying that the History Maker performance at Fantasy on Ice recently brought a TON of attention back to Yuri on Ice - nothing more.

rikeijo

I'm not saying that you personally hate Mappa or Otsuka, but I'd say that you are kind of whipping up the fandom into believing that people who have legally no control over the IP are the bad guys here, for example, by spreading the info that Otsuka is writing YoI success off (which he isn't), without even reading the whole interview.

Why don't you target Avex?

mappawhereisyoi

“So… MAPPA says that Yuri on Ice was successful but the amount of money they got from the project was insignificant.” That is the first sentence of this entire post. Is that not what he said? And then I linked the actual article?

People can draw their own conclusions, but I and many others interpret it the way I have been discussing. You are assuming that we did not read the whole interview - we did, but our focus is on that one particular comment.

We know that Avex is a factor, but Avex is not the one with it’s name currently signed on the “Regarding the Production Status” notice on the movie website.

We are obviously not going to agree on this. If you think that we are reading too much into the comment, that’s fine, but it has been six years and people are allowed to be upset and look for answers.

mappawhereisyoi

So… MAPPA says that Yuri on Ice was successful but the amount of money they got from the project was insignificant.

The math is not mathing. You and your partners quickly committed to an internationally released movie because of the potential for profit. The DVD/Blu-Ray sales were through the roof (meanwhile, you talk about Chainsaw Man underperforming in that area).

You won’t comment on Yuri on Ice for years, and now you are trying to diminish its importance to your studio? When it put you on the map? Okay.

「Kompass」は、CINRA.NETとSpotifyが共同で立ち上げた音楽ガイドマガジンです。オススメの音楽やプレイリスト、アーティストインタビューやコラムなどの記事を発信しています。

rikeijo

What you guys seem to not understand is that MAPPA really doesn't own the rights to Yuri!!! on ICE.

Otsuka even says it in this very interview... The way the industry is constructed makes it so that all the money goes to the actual IP holders, the production committee, and the studio gets only a very small share, because they are legally not entitled to get more.

That's why they made Chainsaw man the way they did... without the production committee - to have control over it and over the money.

Yuri!!! has a production committee and the trademark is in Avex Pictures' hands. Every YoI merch has Avex' logo on it. Naturally, this is were the money goes.

Here's publicly available info on Jp patents and trademarks. Search for "ユーリ！！！on ICE".

mappawhereisyoi

We all understand that. We know it is not solely the studio (in this case, Mappa) that profits from anime. Forgive me for not putting the disclaimer in the original post.

Yuri on Ice was an extremely successful anime - top 10 of all time in Blu-ray/DVD sales. Mappa used to sing its praises. It paved the way for their current state.

They would not have committed so quickly to a movie (much less an intentional release) if the franchise did not have immense profit potential for them. After years of no updates, we get this comment that seems to write the entire thing off. Of course we are upset.

rikeijo

But if you read the whole interview it's quite clear that he doesn't try to write the success off. He only says that even though it was a big hit, they couldn't get a fair share of profit, because this is how the industry works and it's very much legal...:

"Otsuka: For example, "Yuri!!! on ICE" which our studio produced can be described as a big success, but the amount of money that we got was very little when compared with the scale of that success. I think that it's also the studio responsibility, because we have agree for it to be like that, and I started to think about how to make it so that we are able to do more things on our own. You can't control it, if the work you are producing is going to be a big success or not, so I thought that if we won't be able to use the few chances [successful titles] that we have, we won't grow as a company."

What do you expect MAPPA to do in YoI's case? Illegally use the trademark that isn't theirs and take the money? Or not talk about how unfair the situation is, that they barely have the money to pay the animators, and the higher-ups get even richer thanks to their hard work?

I really understand being upset with the situation with IceAdo (I'm too), but I just can't understand what do you want them to do with it? Because if you look at it objectively, they can't control this IP, as it isn't theirs - and this is exactly what Otsuka is talking about in this interview.

mappawhereisyoi

No one is saying anything about wanting them to take anyone’s money or not talk about industry practices.

We understand that the focus of this interview is not Yuri on Ice (and that it is only briefly mentioned) but this is the first time that the series has been mentioned in recent memory despite the fact that there is a movie 4 years overdue now. The comments made about it seem to indicate that the project was not one that was profitable to them. If that is the case, why commit to continuing it so quickly and on such a large and ambitious scale? Why not be like WIT and pass to another studio if it was not working out in their favor?

It is odd to me that after years of silence and the recent interest/questions (in part because of Fantasy on Ice and History Maker), the first comment made about the series could be a potential out for them.

(Sorry, I reblogged before you added the last paragraph. In general, in regards to Ice Adolescence, we want them to either officially cancel the project and put us all out of our misery or actually give us an update.)

rikeijo

I'm sorry for dragging this on, but I just have the feeling that everyone is google translating the tweet with half a quote from that interview, and uses it as another excuse to hate Mappa, or what's even more bizarre to me, Otsuka himself.

It's a well-know fact that production committee system is disadvantageous to the studios and this is what the interview is about. He simply says that Mappa was affected by it, too, and all the money from YoI went somewhere else. If you guys just want to hate people, who just want to earn a living (and Otsuka as a CEO is responsible for his employees, so of course he cares about the money), there's nothing I can do to stop you, but I doubt it will make IceAdo happen.

And FaOI... They invited Dean, I's say, because he is a singer that has a connection to figure skating, so he was a good choice. But he was there as himself, not as "the guy that sings Yuri!!! on ICE opening". In his profile on FaOI website, they didn't even mention Yuri!!!. So, I really don't think that it's the evil MAPPA deceiving YoI fandom again... People involved with YoI just continue to live their lives and do their work.

mappawhereisyoi

You are putting words in my mouth. I’m not out to hate anyone, especially those who “just want to earn a living”, and by making that comment it is clear that you are not listening to what I am actually saying. If I have not been clear in the reasons that we have questions about the situation and are disappointed with the comment in the interview, then I am sorry.

As for FaOI, I was only saying that the History Maker performance at Fantasy on Ice recently brought a TON of attention back to Yuri on Ice - nothing more.

dearvitya

mappawhereisyoi

So… MAPPA says that Yuri on Ice was successful but the amount of money they got from the project was insignificant.

The math is not mathing. You and your partners quickly committed to an internationally released movie because of the potential for profit. The DVD/Blu-Ray sales were through the roof (meanwhile, you talk about Chainsaw Man underperforming in that area).

You won’t comment on Yuri on Ice for years, and now you are trying to diminish its importance to your studio? When it put you on the map? Okay.

「Kompass」は、CINRA.NETとSpotifyが共同で立ち上げた音楽ガイドマガジンです。オススメの音楽やプレイリスト、アーティストインタビューやコラムなどの記事を発信しています。

rikeijo

What you guys seem to not understand is that MAPPA really doesn't own the rights to Yuri!!! on ICE.

Otsuka even says it in this very interview... The way the industry is constructed makes it so that all the money goes to the actual IP holders, the production committee, and the studio gets only a very small share, because they are legally not entitled to get more.

That's why they made Chainsaw man the way they did... without the production committee - to have control over it and over the money.

Yuri!!! has a production committee and the trademark is in Avex Pictures' hands. Every YoI merch has Avex' logo on it. Naturally, this is were the money goes.

Here's publicly available info on Jp patents and trademarks. Search for "ユーリ！！！on ICE".

mappawhereisyoi

We all understand that. We know it is not solely the studio (in this case, Mappa) that profits from anime. Forgive me for not putting the disclaimer in the original post.

Yuri on Ice was an extremely successful anime - top 10 of all time in Blu-ray/DVD sales. Mappa used to sing its praises. It paved the way for their current state.

They would not have committed so quickly to a movie (much less an intentional release) if the franchise did not have immense profit potential for them. After years of no updates, we get this comment that seems to write the entire thing off. Of course we are upset.

rikeijo

But if you read the whole interview it's quite clear that he doesn't try to write the success off. He only says that even though it was a big hit, they couldn't get a fair share of profit, because this is how the industry works and it's very much legal...:

"Otsuka: For example, "Yuri!!! on ICE" which our studio produced can be described as a big success, but the amount of money that we got was very little when compared with the scale of that success. I think that it's also the studio responsibility, because we have agree for it to be like that, and I started to think about how to make it so that we are able to do more things on our own. You can't control it, if the work you are producing is going to be a big success or not, so I thought that if we won't be able to use the few chances [successful titles] that we have, we won't grow as a company."

What do you expect MAPPA to do in YoI's case? Illegally use the trademark that isn't theirs and take the money? Or not talk about how unfair the situation is, that they barely have the money to pay the animators, and the higher-ups get even richer thanks to their hard work?

I really understand being upset with the situation with IceAdo (I'm too), but I just can't understand what do you want them to do with it? Because if you look at it objectively, they can't control this IP, as it isn't theirs - and this is exactly what Otsuka is talking about in this interview.

mappawhereisyoi

No one is saying anything about wanting them to take anyone’s money or not talk about industry practices.

We understand that the focus of this interview is not Yuri on Ice (and that it is only briefly mentioned) but this is the first time that the series has been mentioned in recent memory despite the fact that there is a movie 4 years overdue now. The comments made about it seem to indicate that the project was not one that was profitable to them. If that is the case, why commit to continuing it so quickly and on such a large and ambitious scale? Why not be like WIT and pass to another studio if it was not working out in their favor?

It is odd to me that after years of silence and the recent interest/questions (in part because of Fantasy on Ice and History Maker), the first comment made about the series could be a potential out for them.

(Sorry, I reblogged before you added the last paragraph. In general, in regards to Ice Adolescence, we want them to either officially cancel the project and put us all out of our misery or actually give us an update.)

mappawhereisyoi

So… MAPPA says that Yuri on Ice was successful but the amount of money they got from the project was insignificant.

The math is not mathing. You and your partners quickly committed to an internationally released movie because of the potential for profit. The DVD/Blu-Ray sales were through the roof (meanwhile, you talk about Chainsaw Man underperforming in that area).

You won’t comment on Yuri on Ice for years, and now you are trying to diminish its importance to your studio? When it put you on the map? Okay.

「Kompass」は、CINRA.NETとSpotifyが共同で立ち上げた音楽ガイドマガジンです。オススメの音楽やプレイリスト、アーティストインタビューやコラムなどの記事を発信しています。

rikeijo

What you guys seem to not understand is that MAPPA really doesn't own the rights to Yuri!!! on ICE.

Otsuka even says it in this very interview... The way the industry is constructed makes it so that all the money goes to the actual IP holders, the production committee, and the studio gets only a very small share, because they are legally not entitled to get more.

That's why they made Chainsaw man the way they did... without the production committee - to have control over it and over the money.

Yuri!!! has a production committee and the trademark is in Avex Pictures' hands. Every YoI merch has Avex' logo on it. Naturally, this is were the money goes.

Here's publicly available info on Jp patents and trademarks. Search for "ユーリ！！！on ICE".

mappawhereisyoi

We all understand that. We know it is not solely the studio (in this case, Mappa) that profits from anime. Forgive me for not putting the disclaimer in the original post.

Yuri on Ice was an extremely successful anime - top 10 of all time in Blu-ray/DVD sales. Mappa used to sing its praises. It paved the way for their current state.

They would not have committed so quickly to a movie (much less an intentional release) if the franchise did not have immense profit potential for them. After years of no updates, we get this comment that seems to write the entire thing off. Of course we are upset.

mappawhereisyoi

So… MAPPA says that Yuri on Ice was successful but the amount of money they got from the project was insignificant.

The math is not mathing. You and your partners quickly committed to an internationally released move because of the potential for profit. The DVD/Blu-Ray sales were through the roof (meanwhile, you talk about Chainsaw Man underperforming in that area).

You won’t comment on Yuri on Ice for years, and now you are trying to diminish it’s importance to your studio? When it put you on the map? Okay.

「Kompass」は、CINRA.NETとSpotifyが共同で立ち上げた音楽ガイドマガジンです。オススメの音楽やプレイリスト、アーティストインタビューやコラムなどの記事を発信しています。

mappawhereisyoi

Just going to leave these here - astronomical numbers compared to Chainsaw Man and even Attack on Titan (from what I can find online). I understand that there are a lot of different companies involved in these things, but if Mappa made “insignificant” money from Yuri on Ice, sounds like it’d be more on them for bad contracts because even a small piece of this pie should have been significant.

So… MAPPA says that Yuri on Ice was successful but the amount of money they got from the project was insignificant.

The math is not mathing. You and your partners quickly committed to an internationally released movie because of the potential for profit. The DVD/Blu-Ray sales were through the roof (meanwhile, you talk about Chainsaw Man underperforming in that area).

You won’t comment on Yuri on Ice for years, and now you are trying to diminish its importance to your studio? When it put you on the map? Okay.

「Kompass」は、CINRA.NETとSpotifyが共同で立ち上げた音楽ガイドマガジンです。オススメの音楽やプレイリスト、アーティストインタビューやコラムなどの記事を発信しています。

#yuri on ice #mappawhereisyoi #yoi #ice adolescence #victor nikiforov #katsuki yuuri #yuuri katsuki #viktor nikiforov #anime #viktuuri #yuri plisetsky #mappa ceo #mappa

petitmimosa

History Maker.

#crying #yuzuru hanyu #faoi #history maker #yuri on ice #YOI

Mappa cancelled their appearance at AnimagiC, and I couldn’t help but be reminded of Ice Ado’s never-changing production status.

#yuri on ice #mappawhereisyoi #yoi #ice adolescence

ourchunkysalsa

guys… where did yuri on ice go. genuine question. like how can a whole movie just disappear out of thin air after being so popular and awarded. mappa just overworked their jjk employees so hard they forgot about viktuuri entirely.

never forget where you came from, mappa. the gay figure skaters MADE YOU WHO YOU ARE.

cuteteacakes

@mappawhereisyoi a commenter has an answer and it's exactly what I thought

mappawhereisyoi

I don’t disagree with those being factors, but I do think there is more going on. The timeline doesn’t match with those being the only issues.

After being announced (and presumably started) in 2017, there was a pre-pandemic delay announced that caused it to miss its 2019 release. That means that the initial production time (2 years between announcement and 2019 - we never got a specific date) increased by a year.

COVID likely affected the *rumored* 2020 pushed release date. If they had been working since early 2017, that’s nearly 3 years before the pandemic and then roughly another 6-12 months between the end of the height of the pandemic and the start of the war in early 2022.

It is likely that the 2018 doping scandal didn’t help, but Russia has a history of similar doping issues.

It frustrates me that we don’t have an official announcement because it would be so easy for them to attribute the delay to the current world climate and affairs, successfully sweeping any other potential behind-the-scenes issues under the rug.

Combine this with the almost complete lack of official merchandise and content outside of already established partnerships (Sanrio, Mizuno) for the last 3 years, and it’s safe to say that something is up.

#mappawhereisyoi #Mappa #yuri on ice #YOI #ice adolescence #ice ado

ahskp

i miss you so bad. PLEASE come home.

#you aren’t the only one!#yoi #ice adolescence #mappawhereisyoi

in-a-closet

Where my destiny lies❄️✨💞

#yuri on ice #SO CUTE

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