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LOOK AT THE PAIN, SURPRISE ,AND CONFUSION IN MY SWEET BOYS EYES. THEO WAS PROBABLY THE ONLY MAN HE COULD EVER EVEN S L I G H T L Y TRUST; THE ONE WHO HELPED BREAK HIM OUT OF ARKHAM. IMAGINE THE UTTER FUCKING BETRAYAL THAT JEROME MUST HAVE FELT AS HIS LIFE SLIPPED AWAY AS THAT FUCKING SEWER RAT THEO JUST WATCHED. I WILL N E V E R FORGIVE GOTHAMS WRITERS FOR PUTTING JEROME THROUGH THIS. NEVER.
Yes, THIS! Although there is no shortage of reasons to despise the character of Theo Galavan, it goes without saying that his betrayal of Jerome ranks among the most vile of his actions. Yes, Jerome was a troubled man who had willfully (even gleefully) committed horrific crimes - I’m certainly not going to try to argue otherwise or pretend that Jerome was somehow less of a villainous prick than he really was - but I do feel that it can be assumed that Theo knowingly preyed on this sick boy, using Jerome’s deep-seated need for attention as a means to accomplish his goal, which would ultimately lead to the boy’s death. Whether Theo was aware of Jerome’s past or not (as far as I can recall) is unclear, but as an audience member with the knowledge that Jerome is a character who has suffered from years of severe mental and physical abuse and neglect, it is seriously fucked up to watch this snake of a man instill in this sick young kid that FOR ONCE IN HIS LIFE, he has someone who believes in him and thinks he’s worth something, only to turn around and callously rob him of not only that belief, but his fucking LIFE.
I dunno, man. Sorry for the rant.
Shout-out to Jerome Valeska for the fact that he was zapped back to life and decided the first thing he would do was get back to the #grind and start up on his old bullshit, that’s fucking dedication and I appreciate his diligence to chaos
Jerome or Jeremiah as your partner in crime? 🃏🤡❤️🖤
Jeremiah Valeska would sell you to Satan for one (1) stale cracker.
Jerome Valeska would 50/50 either kill you himself or go ride-or-die.
Yeah uhhhhh I think Jerome is the umm ‘safer’ option.
he just doesn’t really have the attention span for tricking people, mostly - like, jeremiah would torture somebody to death just for funsies, having gained their trust, while jerome would just shoot you (”simply and sanely” lmao) or decide you’re besties
“Okay. Before you shoot me with that impressive shotgun, Jerome. I got something I know you’d love to see.” You somehow managed to get video of Galavan/Azrael getting blown to pieces by a rocket launcher. Don’t ask how, it may just save your ass cause Jerome’s never laughed harder in his life. He’s been watching it loop for two hours.
First image:
This is the moment right after Galavan has looked right at Jerome and said, “I see brilliance”. Right here - this is what makes Jerome so willing to do anything for Galavan’s approval, because it’s the first time anyone’s ever looked at him and seen anything worth having, beyond a yes-man or a court jester.
Second image:
Everyone else is looking, shocked, at the whip around Sionis’s throat - but Jerome, who is very used to physical abuse, reacts by looking to the person holding the weapon. He’s calculating how likely it is that he’s in immediate danger before anything else. This is the moment when he realises that he has to stay: of course his admiration of Galavan is important, but he’s also very clever, and now he knows what happens to people who step out of line. If he’s not the favourite, the leader, he’s expendable.
Okay I was thinking about this again and -
I don’t know how it didn’t occur to me that Galavan absolutely planned this. Of course he was always going to kill one of them, and he probably knew it was going to be Sionis, since he was the leader of the group. What better way to throw a group into chaos and take control? Besides, Tabitha knew exactly what she was doing killing him so inefficiently. It was all very planned.
I bet this is also when Galavan started favouring Jerome (in the creepy ass way he did). Killing Sionis was a sort of diagnostic for the rest of the group - how do they react, without any control, in an unfamiliar situation and losing their leader? Galavan was watching, and he saw Jerome’s adaptability and quick thinking. This was probably also when he decided to kill Jerome in a sick echo of what happened to Sionis.
Random Jerome moments — (2/?)
@moobrooboo : #okay okay okay okay#but first gif he’s puffing up#still focusing on intimidating greenwood like he’s a fuckin cat#then in the second gif his eyes flick ever so slightly to Galavan and back#he deflates a little#his head untilts#i think he noticed the gun there and put together what Galavan’s plan was#third gif there’s a lot less movement#his eyes aren’t focused at greenwood but more middle distance#he thinkin#then in the fourth gif#his eyes widen jus lil#the corners of his mouth turn up#and he starts lookin more predatory#I think op accidentally caught the lightning quick process#of Jerome coming up with his ‘I’m The Boss’ plan#and I am so happy about that#Jerome’s just crazy#sure hun#you explain how he shifted from a physical confrontation with a rival#to processing a new situation and possibilites#formed a plan to ensure he would be leader if he lived#and went back to intimidating a cannibal with a new smile#in under a fucking second#without being mcfucking brilliant#i can’t use that word for Jerome anymore#without thinking about ‘Ronald McDonald’s Bastard Child’#so thanks for that#catch sapiosexual me losing it over this gifset#also goddamnit there is clear fear in his eyes in the second gif
@victoriousvaleska : #once again moobrooboo you have floored me with your tags#the point you made about him processing and formulating a plan in such a short amount if time is so relevant#he’s probably conditioned into making split second plans and decisions from his time with his mother and having to get away from her#and that ability really lends itself to his unpredictability#i would write more but i need to sleep but your tags say it all anyway so it’s all good :)
I just wanted to made y’alls analysis more visible cause HOLYYYYYY SHITTTTTT you’re so RIGHT he’s so clever!! It reminds me of the scene where Tabby whips Sionis’s neck and you can SEE Jerome just split-second looking toward Tabby and Theo instead of Sionis, and deciding he has to play along to survive.
Gotham 1x16: Jerome Valeska interrogation scene
“Did you find out who killed my mother?” “You killed your mother, Jerome.”
In which Jim Gordon takes the first-reaction words of an abused teenager as fact instead of looking into what else might, hmm, maybe be at play. Like - what teenager doesn’t use humour/drama/overacting as a coping mechanism?
Day 1 of this 30-day fanart challenge:
https://marsmorpheus.tumblr.com/post/627302535517159424/dont-know-who-to-tag-for-this-but-i-had-it-saved
Dream team: the J-squad from Gotham (Jerome, Jervis, and Jonathan)
okay if you like gotham you Have to listen to “Love Like You” from the Steven Universe soundtrack - i don’t know anything about steven universe, but that song?? perfect for valeyne, wayleska, nygmobblepot, you name it!!
really said
“if i could begin to do / something that does right by you / i would do about anything / i would even learn how to love”
and expected me not to go BATSHIT????
I know better than anyone.
do you think the bit of pre-gas jeremiah that was still in there was trying to warn bruce?
Nah.
…maybe?
I mean, look at the way that little piece of pre-gas Miah communicates once he’s revealed himself - the microexpressions, the meaningful looks, the sad eyes and double meanings. In the last gif, he’s looking down almost as if he’s guilty, then he looks so seriously at Bruce, like he’s trying to get a message across.
I will tell you, my favourite thing about the Gotham fandom specifically is how much thought people (seemingly especially my mutuals) put into tiny details. Like, realistically it’s probably just a little discrepancy the writers didn’t think of patching up, or a microexpression on a character’s face that the actor didn’t even think that far into, but then y’all will turn it into something so beautiful and that makes so much sense! It’s one of those fandoms that’s like mushrooms, where canon is the fruiting bodies and then there’s a whole network of fanon mycelium underneath.
Jerome Valeska in Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do
@moobrooboo HOW DARE YOU KEEP THIS IN THE TAGS
#this version of jerome is so good but also makes me cry#cause you can see when he talks to/about sionis there is a large power difference#he gets visibly scared/desperate when barbara doesn’t agree to meet with sionis#and sionis tells jerome to shut up and Jerome does with a newly blank face#then in that last gif you can see the hate and violent schadenfreude#jerome has watching sionis get stabbed to death#and then the way he acts the rest of the time#with reckless abandon that surpasses any other time#he stands up to the officers and says ‘they can’t shoot at the bus’#he doesn’t do that when he’s standing in front of Bruce Wayne a season later#there’s a flightiness and lack of care in all of his movements#he looks like he’s a cross between a child and a circus performer#and i know that can be applied to him a lot but it’s on another level in this arc#so it makes me think#his life so far has been neglect and abuse in a circus where he had to work to live as a child#then he had a chance at freedom#only to have it snatched away and end up in arkham#with even less freedom and a new abusive ‘overlord’#in season three he’s reveling in his new life#and in season four he’s prepared to die and knows it will happen#but i think season 2 he just doesn’t care#life is a shitty game that’s rigged for other’s benefit to him#if he dies#if he gets chucked from the game#at this point who cares?#not him#except he does care and he really wants to live and enjoy living#but if he admits that to himself he won’t make it through the day#and then he’s given hope and possibility again#and then theo stabs him in the neck
jerome valeska suicidal i think
I’m not sure if this is a hot take or not, but like, Jerome was definitely suicidal right? I’ve been having this debate with a friend for a hot minute. I’m not really sure about how suicidal he was before his first death (not saying that he wasn’t at all), but he definitely was after his first death.
I know that at the end of his character, he killed himself because he was “more than a man”, but I honestly think the base reason for that was because he wanted to die. Obviously like, it’s not something the show writers did on purpose or intended, but I’ve decided to look into it more than I need to cus I want to.
When he was trying to get away with his mother’s murder, I think he just assumed he’d get away with it because the circus would just leave after the whole thing blew over, and I don’t think he planned on actually staying in Gotham (which makes it so absurd that he thought he knew exactly what the city needed lmao ur not even from here). I think when he thought he was just going to get away with the murder, he was fine with living his life in the circus. When he got to Arkham, I don’t think he was looking to kill himself bc he, for the first time in his life, found a source of support and belonging in being part of Sionis’s group, and I guess he liked the power. I’m not sure what he thought he was going to do in Arkham, maybe he was just enjoying his time not getting beat all the time, and he might’ve even enjoyed the structure.
When Theo broke him out of Arkham, I think he actually found a driving force in life (I think he eventually would’ve gotten himself killed/killed himself in Arkham if Theo hadn’t broken him out). Theo was a light at the end of the tunnel for him, and it’s clear that he thoroughly depended on Theo for the direction his life would take. After Theo killed him, I’m pretty sure he was like 10000% depressed/suicidal.
He woke up from death wanting to get revenge on Theo, and maybe he was like “lemme go after everybody that’s wronged me bc I’m tired”, and we get to watch him get revenge on people who’d played major roles in fucking up his life, and ultimately, the city. I think at this point revenge was his only driving force, and he didn’t care about living. He wanted revenge in the city and the dumb rats that made his life a living hell. You could argue that this was his plan all along because Jeremiah had been planning for Jerome to come back, but I think that Jeremiah had been overthinking, and just ended up being right. I don’t think Jerome originally planned on getting revenge on everybody.
A real-life example of this is self-immolation. There are popular accounts of monks setting themselves on fire in the 1960s as a form of protest against the government, among other people throughout history. These people are often shown to be mentally disturbed, and suicidal to begin with. I think you could apply this to Jerome because he killed himself for whatever message he was trying to spread. I think he probably really did believe in his message, but I also think that his suicidal tendencies probably manifested themselves in his message.
Anyways, I feel rlly bad for him because miss girl got wronged time after time again. Take what I’m saying with a grain of salt bc the most research I’ve done is looking at a few articles lol (I can link them if anybody ends up reading this hehe).
I can’t remember anymore if I’ve talked about that before or no (think I did quite a while ago), but already the first time I saw Jerome’s final death, I felt it did definitely have something suicidal to it.
Simply already cause there was no need for him to run away from Gordon onto that roof, if he was trying to lure him away, he could have led him anywhere else, he did have enough of a head start. And even if he felt that was the best way to do it, still there was no need for him then to be on the ledge, at all, because this never at any point had anything of the old criminal saying ‘You’ll never take me alive/I rather die than I go back to prison.’ Cause Jerome never had any problems with being in pison, in fact, he enoyed himself immensely both times. The first time was the first time he was on his own, free of his family and away from the place he had to grow up in, and the second time he totally owned the place.
And if he prefered to die rather than being foiled, well, then they didn’t really sell that, there‘s always a hint to that, the classic I‘ll-enjoy-dying-right-here-proudly-preferably-while-trying-to-take-someone/many people-out-as-I-go-vibe wasn’t given here at any point, on the contrary, it seemed rather a little depressing cause Jerome never even tried to attack Gordon anymore, nothing, instead he just accepted his faith, even though he didn’t have to, cause he didn’t have to stand on that ledge, he’s clever enough to fight Gordon off/get away from him once he would have tried to kill him if he hadn’t been on there, not to mention, he had enough followers around plus one Legion Member to help him get away safely to begin with.
And yet he didn’t do anything like that, which is why I always felt it had a rather suicidal note to it, like you said, he had to go through a lot of crap, although I also always considered from the start that he may have also killed himself so Jeremiah couldn’t do it for him, cause, let‘s face it Jeremiah would have totally tried to do that once he got sprayed, and well, while Jerome was able to pull this plan to get him sprayed off without that Jeremiah ever saw it coming, still, he managed to pull one over him when he left and hid from him too, so even if Jerome was never as dumb as Jeremiah later made it out to be, maybe Jerome was still afraid if his brother ever tried to kill him, he’d end up being the smarter one after all and suceed, and in order to prevent that from happening, Jerome decided to off himself so Jeremiah couldn’t do it for him (and now I do remember that I have indeed made a post about this before cause I remember writing that before)
Oh, absolutely. Jerome up until his first death is gleeful and careless, reveling in causing chaos and living. After he comes back, he’s very different: he’s colder in a way, angrier, and there’s this constant tiredness in his eyes. I think coming back, not to mention his face etc., was very painful, and somewhere right after he decided that he didn’t have anyone or anything to live for except to tear down all of Gotham. Once he’d found Jeremiah and set up his final revenge against him, he was done. It wasn’t fun anymore, so he just - stopped.
You guys are all very right but I think there’s another angle to this, too. We know that all the Horribles that Hugo revived basically had an expiration date, right. Vastly because of their hybrid powers, but like. Nobody ever reviewed dead people before by way of science experiments and not Lazarus Pit, and the way Jerome was brought back, on top of that was also a shoddy garage job with all previous test subjects dying anyway.
So here’s the thing.
Freshly resurrected Jerome is very obviously more on edge than pre-Theo Jerome, but even though he must be at least partially out of it (he admits to Lee that his brain is fuzzy), he’s still not actively throwing himself in danger. Not any more than when he was working for Theo anyway. Like, sure, he’s driven by revenge and not much else, and reckless about it, but I don’t think death’s what’s on his mind after being brought back in such a painful manner.
S4 Jerome is an entirely different story.
I never could shake how horrible he looks in his last episodes and I’m not talking about the scars. The shadows under his eyes look like nasty bruises all the time, even after taking residence with Oswald and playing Big Boss everyone jumps around, but somehow I don’t think he was losing sleep in Arkham either, seeing as he basically run the place.
Where I’m going with this is that: Jerome was dying. His second life wearing off by the minute and he knew he was on the clock. That’s why he threw everything into finding Jeremiah so desperately and plan on such a grand scale. That’s why he didn’t plan on surviving the final confrontation and run up on that roof. Jerome knew he didn’t have much time left and resigned himself to the idea, but still wanted to die on his own terms. Nothing in his life was ever on his own terms, so turning his inevitable demise into a spectacle, dying an Idea, not just a man and leaving behind a legacy was probably best he could hope for. The one thing nobody would ever be able to dismiss him from.
Like, his final message to Jeremiah opens with “See, my days were numbered” and while you can read that as sort of self-dismissal, it’s certainly more of a thing someone with terminal illness would say, rather than someone battling suicidal ideation.
Jerome gave up on his life, but I don’t think he had much choice in the matter.
i realise the whole twist of the valeska twins is that instead of being good-twin-bad-twin they’re bad-twin-worse-twin but i am still greatly amused by the idea of jeremiah tiredly having to explain to his college professors for the 50th time that no, that murderer on the tv is not him, that’s not what he does on his days off, for fucks sake mrs green i just want an A,
cowabummer dude jerome
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