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Yuri & Seonwoo â Form Of Sympathy (ëì ì íí).
Yashiro's loneliness is hitting him hard. It's been 4 years and he can't stop the nightmare dream of being totally alone. Thin, impotent and hitting on casino customers trying to understand but coming apart. The appearance of Doumeki has opened his eyes to his dismal lonely life. He has taken every opportunity to stay close to Doumeki. When Doumeki decided Kamiya should be his body guard he pushed Kamiya out of the way and pulled Doumeki into the elevator. That was a subconscious reflex and after getting him in his apartment he realized he had let his guard down. He wanted Doumeki to be by his side and no one else. But as usual he deflected it with sarcasm. So this constant push and pull has resulted in further misunderstandings and not feeling any less alone. He now realizes his need to change or he will always be alone. He's not getting any younger and Kageyama reminded him of that. His door remains open to Doumeki who comes and goes, leaving him sexually satisfied but he feels abandoned and confused. Does he realize the situation Doumeki is in? He is going against his bosses orders and being with Yashiro as a partner is frowned upon in his group. So is he doing this just for sex, or is it more? Is he taking a chance on loving you? He should question Doumeki's reasons again and Doumeki shouldn't lie this time. With Doumeki leaving his side and the casino employee attack he has become restless, and this has led him to go after Yamakawa. That smile on his face, he's angry, he wants to put an end to this. We saw how the 4 years of being alone had left him. It would be hard to go back to that life. He is disobeying Misumi to stay involved. I think he will do all he can to not go back to that dismal existence and protect the one he cares about.
*read comment for edits
Some *non-binary people have dysphoria with body hair and want clear skin, typically regarded as a more feminine characteristic (largely in the West, though in Southeast Asia itâs basically the beauty standard for the *male and female sexes). Surprise surprise, Yashiro has no body hair.
Of course, many other characters also have none, like Doumeki (easier to draw, etc). There was an extra, though, that showed Yashiro halfheartedly wanting to get scars because men make fun of their smooth skin. This shows that they could feel a bit insecure with their femininity when surrounded by âmachoâ men who insult them. Fortunately Doumeki is like âNo, I like you without it!â Again, calling them beautiful :)
Pity... and Doumeki's eyes
In chapter 7 after Yashiro eavesdropped on the conversation between Kageyama and Doumeki, he thinks to himself:
Chapter 55 begins with Doumeki finding out about Yashiro's impotence and realizing he can only become aroused with him. He sits in his car and remembers the times he verbally and physically crossed the line with Yashiro without knowing the truth. He had acted out of anger and frustration even though his anger was justified, he regretted losing control of his emotions. He knows he must have hurt him and that doesn't sit straight with him. His eyes show the realization of the pain he has caused (the light in his eyes) and it must be repaired. So he delivered Tsunakawa's message but knew he needed answers. Yashiro finally breaks down and tells him the truth and how he hurt him with his cruel words and basically calling him a slut. Doumeki telling him in the bathroom scene that he hadn't changed he would sleep with anyone. You could see how much he regretted those words and actions and wanted some assurance from Yashiro that he still cared for him and not just physically. Yashiro did reveal that to him in a slight way. Doumeki wanted to make up for the angry sex the night before but fell short of revealing his reasons, only saying it was body chemistry. So is he trying to make up for his earlier treatment of Yashiro the only way he thinks Yashiro will accept ?
I think itâs important to remember that men like Misumi and Tsunakawa are dangerous and shadyâthey shouldnât be romanticized. I donât understand how people see them as attractive or caring âparentsâ when they clearly donât care about their subordinates or who dies in the process. None of the men in this story are good people; theyâre in the yakuza for a reason.
I agree with all of this. Misumi and Tsunakawa are very dangerous and incredibly possessive and violent. They won't hesitate to manipulate, kill or torture just to get their way or keep possession of what they deem to belong to them. It's why I'm very wary of them. But I do just want to say, I think Yashiro is, without question, a good man. Even an exceptionally good man. But then, he never joined the yakuza of his own, free will. He was forced into it by Misumi. That's part of the great tragedy of Yashiro's character. He's a good man trapped in a world of bad men, and in order to survive, he's forced to play a role that doesn't suit his nature at all. That's part of what causes such a deep misery in Yashiro, which is why I keep saying that this story can't have a happy or even ambiguous ending if Yashiro isn't able to escape that world. It will end as a tragedy if he remains a yakuza.
I read your âMisumi the villain,â and I saw one part where you say, âMisumi is a complex character, a multi-layered character whoâs exhibited both good qualities and bad. He had a genuine and loving relationship with his deceased wife and with Amou.â
Question:
Do you think he actually loved his deceased wife? Do you think he actually loves Amou? I say this because he is a very selfish person. Do you think he only âlovedâ them because of what they could do for him?
It's true that Misumi is extremely selfish, but I think the fact he was willing to marry his wife at all showed at least a certain level of commitment. And I absolutely think his feelings for Amou are genuine. Really, Misumi's relationship with Amou is, I think, meant to be contrasted with his relationship with Yashiro, to really demonstrate the difference between what it looks like when Misumi actually, genuinely cares for someone and has their best interests at heart (Amou) and when he's simply being possessive of someone (Yashiro). People that defend Misumi often try to point out that he "helped" Yashiro when he was at a low point in his life, getting him off the street and into a more "stable" situation by bringing him into the yakuza. But what these people always fail to acknowledge, because it completely undercuts their defense of Misumi, is that if he'd really wanted to help Yashiro, he would have done what he tried to do for Amou. He would have paid his rent, instead of allowing him to get evicted, and he would have offered to help pay Yashiro's way through college. Instead, Misumi deliberately manipulated and pressured Yashiro into joining the yakuza, using his love for Kageyama as leverage against him, knowing Yashiro wouldn't be able to just accept Kageyama losing his father's medical practice. Misumi used Yashiro's compassion as a weapon against him.
So yeah, I do think Misumi did hold some genuine love for his wife, and that he still does for Amou, the same way he did for Korubane. It's meant to directly contrast the way he treats and regards Yashiro. Misumi may, on the surface, seem to "favor" Yashiro, and care about him, but in reality, the way he treats Yashiro doesn't look anything like how he treats those he actually cares for. That's because he doesn't really love Yashiro, but rather, as you said above, is simply interested in what Yashiro can provide for him.
Something Iâve noticed about Yashiro and Ryuuzaki is that Yashiro seems to believe that if he were a woman, the men around him would treat him better. Ryuuzaki even implies that if Yashiro were a woman, he would protect him. But I donât think thatâs true at all.
Women â especially in the yakuza world â are treated horribly, reduced to objects for prostitution, and subjected to violence. Yashiro, having grown up in this environment, would have witnessed this firsthand. Itâs hard to believe he could think women are treated better when the reality around him shows otherwise.
As for Ryuuzaki, his says that heâd treat Yashiro better if he were a woman. He might believe that now, but given how yakuza men typically treat women, itâs likely heâd end up seeing Yashiro as just another disposable woman. Yashiroâs current position as a man â even one whoâs sexually exploited â still gives him more autonomy than most women in that world.
So, the idea that Yashiro would be better off as a woman doesnât hold up when you consider the brutal reality of how women are actually treated in the yakuza.
Please tell me what you think? Love your page!!!
Hi there, and thank you for your kind words!
Well, it's interesting. I don't know if it's necessarily that Yashiro thinks women are treated better than men, but that I think he believe women are more delicate than men and so should be treated better.
One of the few instances of Yashiro having sex with a girl, that we really know of, was when he was in middle school, and when he got rough with her, she started to cry, which immediately turned Yashiro off and he stopped. His entire foundational understanding of sex up to that point was from his own experiences, which were always abusive and violent, and so I think he didn't realize until that moment with that girl, that the way he himself had been treated during sex was unusual, or in the very least, not something acceptable when it comes to women. I think from that, Yashiro was given the impression that women can't handle physical violence or brutality during sex, that it isn't something they would want or desire, and despite what Yashiro thinks about himself, he isn't actually a sadist at all. He isn't the type of person to force something on someone when they don't want it. He doesn't have that desire or deviancy in him.
So, what I think it is with Yashiro, is that he imagines, if he were a woman, he could ask for gentle and kind treatment without being painted as effeminate or feminine for it. I've spoken before about how I think part of what causes Yashiro to become so physically ill if he's treated gently during sex is that he associates that kind of treatment with how a woman should or would be treated, and it reminds him of what his step-father told him in the years he was abusing Yashiro, that he was really a woman, etc... Being treated gently during sex acts as a trigger for Yashiro, and I think that's a big part of the reason why. But it also creates a conflict in him, because he wants to be treated gently. He wants to be treated "like a woman". But being treated like a woman, acknowledging those thoughts and feelings he has, this desire he has to be treated like how a woman would or should be, is like acknowledging that his step-father was right about him. That he's really a woman. And if his step-father was right about him really being a woman, then that also affirms all the other things his step-father said about him and all the other things he did to Yashiro.
Yashiro tells Kage at one point, after Ryuuzaki's girlfriend is raped and they bring her to Kage's clinic for help, that women are more delicate than men and so it's harder for them when something like this happens, to which Kage scolds Yashiro and tells him that isn't how it works at all. So we see that Yashiro has this idea that women, while they do get abused by men in horrific ways, aren't built for that kind of abuse, while he thinks men are. He thinks, at this point, that it's something a man can handle better than a woman, which is also how Yashiro copes with his own trauma, through this idea that the abuse he's suffered didn't really hurt him, or that it was something he wanted all along, etc... Really, because of the abuse Yashiro suffered, he just has a very warped idea of sex in general and also of gender roles and his own relationship with his gender and desires. A lot of people talk about how Yashiro might in fact be transgender, which I think is a totally valid interpretation. But if that's true, acknowledging that for him would be extremely difficult and grievously painful, because of the before mentioned trauma and trigger of acknowledging his more feminine qualities and desires. But also, if he was a woman, it might be easier for him to acknowledge and ask for what he really wants, without the fear or pain that he now experiences. I also think Yashiro's comment that sex with men would be easier if he were a woman is just him commenting that these hyper-masculine men that he's always around would be easier to convince to have sex with him than it currently is, with him being a man. But since we know Yashiro convinces himself that he likes to be abused during sex, his comment implies to me that he would still seek, at that point, to be physically abused by his sexual partners, even if he was a woman. I don't think Yashiro has any delusions about how women are treated by the yakuza or by society in general. I think there's simply a distinction in how he believes a woman should be treated versus a man. This idea that a woman needs to be handled with more care and gentility.
Anyway, I don't really know if Ryuuzaki wouldn't treat Yashiro better if he was a woman. We don't see any evidence of Ryuuzaki being abusive toward his girlfriend in the story, and indeed he asks Yashiro to go help her because he knows she's being subjected to rape by Hirata's men, which would indicate that Ryuuzaki isn't the sort to think raping a woman is okay. I think what Ryuuzaki is really referring to when he thinks about how if Yashiro was a woman, he could have protected him, is that there wouldn't have been the same sort of stigma attached to caring for and loving Yashiro if he was a woman as there obviously is with Yashiro being a man. Nobody would have bated an eye at Ryuuzaki taking care of and loving Yashiro if he were a woman. As it is, though, Ryuuzaki has to hide his love for Yashiro.
Anyway, I don't know if this was really the answer you were looking for, but I hope it was at least somewhat satisfactory! Thank you for asking!
The gentleness of a mother's care and attention, I don't believe Yashiro ever got that. That may have migrated to his sexual problem with gentleness. If his own mother never showed him that kind of care he must be the problem . Mothers love and protect their children why not his. He was so fixated on the mother and child outside his car window in the rain. The mother made sure her child was safe and dry. She held their hand and he could see the love. He turned away in jealousy and sadness. He has a deficit of gentle care. To be held in someone's arms and to feel safe. The closest thing he found was Doumeki. He could fall asleep on this man's lap or shoulder because he was safe there. He felt comfort and a connection.
Doumeki's impotence made him feel that he wasn't a sex object. He could be close to someone and not used for sex only. But the problem was he used Doumeki in the same way putting pressure on him to hide his desire. He questioned why he was so angry when he found out Doumeki was healed, he couldn't feel safe anymore around him. He couldn't even trust himself. That safe comfort spot was no more.
regarding what doumeki is doing to yashiro, specifically during the timeskip do you think heâs aware of how hurtful it really is to yashiro and does he recognise his actions as sexual assault?
no and complicated no. doumeki doesn't know or understand yashiro well enough (if at all, really) to be fully aware of how much exactly he hurts him and why. too caught up in his own feelings and perspective to listen, and the pain that he does notice seems to be "worth it" for the sake of keeping yashiro close to him. ch 25, again and again
when it comes to doumeki not recognizing his actions for what they actually are, i think what's happening here is a practical application of "it's not rape unless the victim hates it"* principle from ch 4. it's why doumeki focuses so much on the way yashiro's body reacts and his feelings for him. he can have his fits of righteous anger and call inami disgusting because, in doumeki's eyes, he and inami and the ways they treat yashiro are fundamentally different. and it's not like yashiro ever resists him anyway, right? oh wait, he does, but it doesn't matter, because doumeki knows what yashiro actually wants. or even better, because yashiro is simply in no position to refuse him
why the "complicated no" then? well, if doumeki fully believed that what he's doing isn't wrong, i doubt he'd be so desperately clinging to everything that lets him pretend that he isn't abusive. he needs yashiro to tell him that this is what he wants, and that it's what he wanted in ch 25, too. that it wasn't rape then, and it isn't rape now. that he's not like his father after all. would a person truly convinced that they are not in the wrong want an absolution so badly?
*i've briefly talked about how translations for the phrase vary and its implications here, and eri wrote a post about how it relates to japanese laws at the time if you want more context as to why it shouldn't be taken at face value
It seems to me that after 4 years, Doumeki and Yashiro have switched places, and the situation itself is repeated. There is an enemy. There is danger. There is misunderstanding. One is ready to put up with just sex. The other tries to wear a mask as if he doesn't care. One tries to protect the other from danger. The other gets into this danger just to be close. The only thing is, I'm really afraid that the same story will repeat itself with how Yashiro tried to stop Doumeki to protect him. No matter how anyone justifies his actions, they were cruel both physically and mentally. I'm afraid that since we are in some kind of repetition of events, Doumeki can also do something similar to protect Yashiro. And here I'm afraid not because it will be bad for the plot, but for the reaction of the fans. Doumeki is not Yashiro, so fans will clearly not forgive him for this. Therefore, I hope that at this stage the vicious circle will be broken and they will work together against the enemy.
I agree. Most of my predictions, although old atp, follow that line of thinking. Doumeki pushing Yashiro away or forcing more distance between them would work as a narrative tool to force Yashiro to confront his feelings and what he wants. I donât think theyâll necessarily work together because again multiple people including Yashiroâs own boss have told him to back off. And Iâm glad you acknowledged Yashiroâs actions as cruel bc it was cruel. He hit and SHOT Doumeki while putting him down verbally. This would be considered abusive if anyone but Yashiro did it. People tend to overlook it because Yashiro is a fan favorite and Doumeki was âforcingâ himself on Yashiro but neglect to mention that Yashiro was basically trying to commit suicide. He wasnât just there to force Yashiro into a relationship with him. And youâre absolutely right. Doumeki will not be forgiven by the fans bc Doumeki is never given the benefit of the doubt or is generally seen as the worse of the two. I am sure if a repeat were to happen, people will applaud Yashiro for wanting to protect him even though Doumeki was also trying to do that too. We already see the double standards with Doumeki being distant now. There is so much focus on where Doumeki can improve or where he is wrong while Yashiro is seen as just doing the best he can and having noble intentions at all times. I mean he literally beat Doumeki for getting the yakuza tattoo and it was simply seen as Yashiro wanting to protect him from the yakuza. No one talks about how Yashiro displays abusive behavior towards Doumeki. I donât expect that to change at this point. Whatever issues happen will always be Doumekiâs fault.
I have a couple of questions that I would love for you to answer
1.Why do you think Tsunakawa doesnât like Yashiro
2. What do you think of Kai and Nishio
3.why do you think Kai got all mad when he seen Okayama in the hospital bed?
Interesting questions, Anon, itâs intriguing to me to look at characters and make some conjectures about their feelings and motives for acting like they do. But these are interpretations that can be very subjective, so please take them as personal opinions and sometimes even impressions. Like how Tsunakawa feels about Yashiro: he didnât say anything outright yet about Yashiroâs character, apart what he told Misumi in chapter 58. In the phone call between Muraji and Doumeki at the beginning of chapter 53, Muraji told Doumeki that Tsunakawa doesnât think highly of Yashiro, but itâs hearsay and very vague. But since their first meeting, we can notice a tension building between them, Yashiro being uncharacteristically uneasy and subdued. They are foils to each other in such a interesting way and Tsunakawa is such a different character than Hirata, but in a way he represents another kind of yakuza and a kind of man that Yashiro canât be compared to as well. They are opposite and no doubt Tsunakawa would find quite difficult to relate to Yashiro in any way, putting Doumeki at the only link between the two. And letâs think about the fact that Tsunakawa is now Doumekiâs âfatherâ, which is the role that Yashiro refused to take. This is building up to a confrontation and I think it will be quite raw for Yashiro, considering that first meeting and the way he addressed Tsunakawa: Nanaharaâs inner commentary there was quite interesting.
1. Itâs mainly about ambition and Yashiroâs lack of interest in hiding who he is behind the âsecureâ facade of the ruthless yakuza. Ambition, keeping up appearances, manliness or outright machismo and the fears of losing face or being a laughing stock or of being seen as weak are such recurring traits in yakuza and Yashiro seems to make a point of defying them, and yet he stays involved, he dresses the part, he makes money seemingly effortlessly, without committing nor leaving. Misumi calls Tsunakawa an exemplary yakuza instead, Tsunakawaâs place in the world is his birthright almost: he never questioned that reality nor himself as a man. He fits in his own fatherâs vision until Niki is born, and even then their differences are just temporary. I like that we are shown that Tsunakawa is capable of having insight and understanding people: for example when he talks about Kamiyaâs cynicism. But someone like Yashiro is probably so wildly unfamiliar to him and he would probably see Yashiroâs lack of interest in rebuilding a group as failure, laziness, definitely faulty. Someone who refuses his place on the top isnât worth consideration in a certain world, you know? Talking to Misumi probably helped Tsunakawa to understand part of the picture in terms that are easier to figure: Misumiâs favor towards Yashiro is because of the sexual appeal. Which you know, apart from a general homophobic attitude in the yakuza, can also be seen as an unfair way to compete for the spot at the top, which was a core issue for Hirata in the first part of the story. Laziness at best, weakness undoubtedly: Yashiro is in a position where he can only be seen negatively by such a model yakuza, a fact which the old boss of Doushinkai tried to warn Misumi before dying.
Tsunakawa and Yashiro are positioned by the narrative as foils to each other and Doumeki is just a part of it.
2. Briefly about Nishio and his relationship with Kai: I talked about him in an older ask here, but mind the fact that it was before the reveal of Kaiâs backstory. But really Nishio hasnât that big of a role apart from providing a more cautious and fearful look at what Kai is doing.
Kai is another foil to Tsunakawa. Theirs is such an interesting conflict to me and I hope I manage to convey why. Only very recently we have discovered that Kai was born in a yakuza family as well and grew up in a similar situation as Tsunakawaâs: he probably also felt that had a birthright to be on top. But Kai found himself with nothing but Okuyamaâs protection and in a low place, in another family, and probably resented that change a lot and resented Tsunakawa in particular for having what he had lost. And for reprimanding him and giving him a scar, which is literal and symbolic. What Tsunakawa is, that was Kaiâs place that was stolen from him: this is probably how he feels, without much self reflection at how he has been behaving since the beginning.
3. Iâll answer this other question while talking about Kaiâs resentments as well. Given the heated way Kaiâs relationship with Tsunakawa was back when the succession in the Sakura group was ongoing, there was no real possibility that Kai would be on any otherâs side than Okuyamaâs, who was also the person Kaiâs father had entrusted him to. Now we know that it was more old Tsunakawaâs wish to have Okuyama be in the running for his replacement, more than Okuyamaâs own ambition. Not only those who sided with Okuyama had to leave the Sakura group, but they also had to trust Okuyama to build a group powerful and secure enough for them to not feel like they bet on a dying horse which is what is ending up to come to. Thatâs why in my opinion Kai was angry at the discovery that Okuyama was too ill to probably be around enough to take their group to a competitive level, and to prove that they were better than the Sakura and Kai wasnât inferior to Tsunakawa, or powerless, just a unruly criminal with no prestige.
If your entire self esteem is based upon a comparison to someone elseâs fortune and you put your best bet on a literal dying horse, you would be angry at the horse for losing the race or for being unable to even stand and compete.
Kai and Ryuuzu are such a great addition to this story. I love that we are seeing different parts of the criminal world, in this case not direct yakuza affiliated but criminal gangs with even lower respect for the rules. I hope I answered your questions, Anon. I am dreading the long wait for a new chapter!
June manga......Where is volume 8? We are getting a little saltyđĄ
Me: absolutely nothing My brain: 'Why donât you draw Yashiro and Doumeki with their hairstyles swapped?' đđŠ
I've read this chapter many times but just noticed the pain in Yashiro's face. I guess I was always so angry at Yashiro for doing this. He is desperate to block out the sight of Doumeki with the club's mama. He's trying to put on a show but he is hurting. Its like what he did when Kageyama left his office after finding the camera. He says to the affect 'I want anyone to fill me up' and he called the Detective, who Doumeki pulled off of him. He did the exact same thing with Kito and got the same result. Both times he was feeling so empty and turned to his coping mechanism. Both times Doumeki appears.đą