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Tom Cleary, purveyor of condoms. Played with gusto by actor Chris Sullivan.
Harry & Cleary for all time. This is a badass female character.
Harry and Cleary
I donāt have a problem with their union in the end. Thing is, on rewatch and knowing what we know about the truth, I suspect Harry had put 2 and 2 together and figured out that he turned her in and why. That's what I think she implying when at the freak show, she accuses him of running a game on her. She may even be using her adherence to her vows as punishment towards him by the last two episodes. When she says "she can't" accept his proposal and he wants to know why, she turns and runs. I think she can't say it because to fully voice his betrayal would perhaps make it impossible to accept his love and return it. He called it in episode 9: she really did need to forgive him. She seemed to sleep on it (in 10) and decided to do just that because then we see in her face that she does love him. Cleary must have been right. She truly was happier with him than she'd ever been as a nun. Harry was always sharper than him in a lot of ways; I think she figured it out. So yeah, I don't feel bad about her being with him in the end. At least she had someone on her side when she was caught - which was going to happen sooner or later. Being a nun and an abortionist seemed like a pretty big internal conflict to be carrying around. Interesting that she never repented her actions, even to her beloved Mother Superior. She had strayed pretty far from the laws of both man and her religion and maybe that made it possible to accept the loss of her Sisterhood because of an amoral man's love.
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I was somewhat ok, but now Iām feeling cheated
From a Jay Ferguson interview: Did Weiner tell you anything else about the scene that wasnāt in the script?
I chewed his ear off about it, because I said to Matt from day one when I came on the show, āThese two are obviously going to hook up at some point, right?ā First of all, you never want to preface a question to Matt Weiner with the word āobviously.ā Then it was a resounding ānoā from him. At the time I think he really believed that. But Stan and Peggyās relationship kind of caught everybody off guard on the creative end of the show, and that can certainly be attributed to Lizzie and I being such good friends in real life and being able to carry that chemistry onto the show. Maybe that finally sold Matt on the idea of doing what ended up happening, which I heard was a really hard to do.
Who did the selling, the writers?
Yeah, the writers told me that they had been on him for some time about it, and he resisted every step of the way. I think maybe in the middle of season 6 is when they pulled the trigger on it, or so I heard. Knowing that Stan was not initially planned for Peggy irks me. That Matt Weiner had to be campaigned by his writers into changing the story makes me suspect that Pete may well have been planned as the partner for Peggy. Why have all those lingering glances well into the series? Why have the accidental touches like when he catches her in āGuy Walks Into an Ad Agencyā? Why have the freaking complimentary holiday outfits in āChristmas Comes but Once a Yearā, complete with him looking her over? And why have the many, many subtle clues that they were something more to each other than just a fling gone wrong in the saddest way possible? They had alliterative names, for f-sake. Got pears?
If they āpulled the triggerā midway through season 6, then thatās when P/P went off the rails. Out-fucking-rageous. Stanās evolution into a true friend for Peggy was wonderful, but honestly, I NEVER felt anything other than platonic energy between them, even in their final kiss. Meh. Sure, the idea that Peggy falls for the guy who becomes her friend is a nice story, but damn, so boring.
Give me Pete and Peggy, coming together in a story of forgiveness and acceptance. Give me the burning chemistry between those two. Give me a stunning P/P reunion that left Stan in painful longing, tortured by unrequited love; a secret relationship come out into the light and blooming and surprising all the other people in their lives. Thatās the story I was hoping for, and thatās the story that might have been told had MWās vision not been interfered with. Seriously, would Trudy have taken Pete back? Probably not. Iād have rather seen her cut Pete out of her life. Iām afraid Iām a little bloodthirsty as I wanted to see bodies left behind both Pete and Peggy rather than the pap I was fed. My god, Vincent Kartheiser got screwed. The way the P/P storyline ended was so weak and unsatisfying considering the drama of their arc. And what about āyou really know me?ā Yeah. That went nowhere. I am full of regret that Matthew Weiner changed his story because of pressure in the writing room. Trust your gut next time, Matthew Weiner!
I know that .22 rifle isnāt going to Wichita.
The Rifle of Insecurity The Rifle of Fantasy The Rifle of Sex The Rifle of Ambition The Rifle of Male Privilege The Rifle of Regret
I'm taking a break from Mad Men forums and boards right now, mabe forever. The contempt that so many people have for fan fiction and shipping is so harsh. Some posters just don't understand that these things are signs of a healthy fandom; one that interacts with the story lines and characters personally and creatively. I ship Pete and Peggy because those characters touched me. Doing so has enhanced my viewing pleasure and I don't see anything shameful, nor deluded about it. Matthew Weiner writes the show he wants, but my experience of his creation is mine. I'll never understand why some people have a problem with that.
All I want for Motherās Day is a full serving of Pete x Peggy.
Ugh, now Iām one of THOSE people, shipping away by myself after all hope is lost. Jesus, I never thought it would happen to me. Whereās Peteās .22? Iām ready to eat it. Trudy can go fuck herself, even though Iām kinda happy for her. This is not the happy ending I got myself worked up over for 8 years. Christ on a cracker.
All I want for Motherās Day is a full serving of Pete x Peggy.
āThereās business going on and Iām not invited.ā - Peggy Olsen
You know what this means? THE RETURN OF CHAUNCEY. Seriously, invite her to the table, Pete.
season 7, episode 11
Of course, now it sort of feels like a dream. But at the time, it felt so real.
Or he could punch everyone!
I love that Pete told Peggy about the takeover and by doing so, allowed her to decide her own fate. What a gift for the woman who spat at Ted, āWell, arenāt you lucky to have decisions.ā
Pete conveying gravitas in voice, expression, and body language. Vincent Kartheiser brings to mind actor Sam Neill in this shot.
If you send someone new, it looks like weāre starting over. It was a crime of passion. Theyāve heard the word before.
Itās a business of sadist and masochists. Peggy enjoys that upper hand.
In the background of āMad Menā season 7, Pete and Peggyās season 1 story is happening all over again.
Interesting analysis of Season 7 and look back at Season 1.