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'i don't want to read explicit stories'
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@meangreenlimabean
'i don't like pairing'
'i hate this fandom'
'i don't want to read noncon/dubcon'
'i don't like 'x/y/z' and i shouldn't have to read it'
'i hate this character'
'i don't want to read explicit stories'
a resolution for you:
My housemate's cat came into my room while my dictation was on...
(here's the fic btw)
speculative fiction writers i am going to give you a really urgent piece of advice: don't say numbers. don't give your readers any numbers. how heavy is the sword? lots. how old is that city? plenty. how big is the fort? massive. how fast is the spaceship? not very, it's secondhand.
the minute you say a number your readers can check your math and you cannot do math better than your most autistic critic. i guarantee. don't let your readers do any math. when did something happen? awhile ago. how many bullets can that gun fire? trick question, it shoots lasers, and it shoots em HARD.
you are lying to people for fun. if you let them do math at you the lie collapses and it's no fun anymore.
YOU GET IT
When there’s no heart there… What’s the point.
I don't even do outlines anymore, but this still happens. Planning means nothing; never has.
Our 10000000 Mouthwash order from humans never arrived PONY EXPRESS SUCKS
no matter how hard i try i will always be that little girl wondering why everyone is better friends with eachother than her and begging to be loved
"It's not possible to reason with Shigaraki"
This is a point I have often found myself refuting during my many (and sometimes painful) debates with MHA readers. When I talk about a peaceful way to solve the conflict with Shigaraki, by talking to him and offering him help, I am often told that talking to him would not work, that it's impossible. I think a clarification is necessary : Shigaraki has never been closed to dialogue and the heroes have never tried any other way than repression by violence. Let's look at the facts now.
The USJ attack. Yes, he is the one who attacks the heroes but when All Might arrives, Tomura criticizes him for the brutality of the heroes, a criticism that All Might rejects without listening. Obviously, he doesn't have to listen to the criminal who comes to kill teenagers, I am well aware of that, but it's one of many examples that show that heroes have never tried anything other way than to respond with violence.
The shopping mall where Shigaraki came to meet Deku to express his frustration and exchange with him on what differentiates him from Stain. Even when Deku irritates him by telling that Stain doesn't run away from difficulties unlike him and that he says that Tomura is not fighting for any ideal, the latter remains relatively calm, listens to what Deku tells him and learns from it.
After kidnapping Bakugo, he tries to put him at ease and make him understand that society despises and rejects those who differ from the norm, in order to propose him to join the League (which is literally a refuge for rejected people with nowhere to go and who want to destroy the system that oppresses them). Bakugo doesn't listen to him of course, it's hard to argue with the one who just kidnapped you and put your comrades in danger, but while Shigaraki talks, we can see that his point is relevant. Look at this journalist who publicly insinuates that Bakugo's aggressive temper would make him a potential super-villain.
And I answer right away to those who say that it was an attempt of manipulation from Tomura : Not at all. It would be totally out of character, Tomura having nothing of a manipulator. On the contrary, it's him who is victim of them and who must be saved by the protagonist. We have also this panel which shows us that he was quite serious when he spoke to Bakugo.
And next, we have this :
This scene where as Twice gets hysterical and Toga threatens him with a knife to the throat after Tomura tells them they're going to associate with those who killed Big Sis Magne, he chooses to calmly explain his decision and show the trust he has in them by revealing his face, instead of getting nervous and trying to kill Toga like at their first meeting.
Same here, Spinner gets legitimately angry when he sees that they have no solutions to improve the society and gets upset against Shigaraki who tried to explain himself without violence but is interrupted by the arrival of Machia.
And here we have the best example. After almost getting killed in his sleep by the "heroes", Shigaraki is lectured by Endeavor about his presumed lack of ideals (lol, that's so ironic), to which Shigaraki (whose scorched body is cracking and still regenerating) responds with a speech about how criminals like him are only the consequence of the intentional neglect of heroes and civilians, that this is a systemic problem and that he's now fighting to destroy this toxic system that always rejects him. A powerful speech that Endeavor doesn't care about and answers with another murder attempt.
It will be pointed out to me that in some situations, Shigaraki attacks first to try to discuss later. Yes indeed, but when you have been traumatized as a child several times, brainwashed since the age of five by a sadistic psychopath who also exploited your traumas to make you an emotionally unstable weapon of mass destruction and cut you off from the outside world for more than a decade, it's rather logical that you are not very good at establishing a healthy discussion. However, it can be noted that from the arc on Overhaul, his social skills have become much better, as evidenced by his interactions with the League.
It's not possible to say that one cannot reason Shigaraki because we can see here that talking with him is possible, but also because heroes never tried. Even when All Might found out the truth about Tomura's identity and he wanted to find him to help him, he was quickly dissuaded by Gran Torino who told him not to see Shigaraki as anything other than a villain (when he is mostly a victim, but okay...) and that this kid, who is just the descendant of his dead best friend for whom AM and him were responsible, is only a bastard beyond all redemption. So please stop pretending otherwise and try to consider that violence is not the most effective solution to a conflict, either in the short or in the long term. Because even if the heroes kill Shigaraki, it won't change the status quo. Through its negligence, the system will create new victims who will rebel again and again against the source of their repression.
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They Called Us Mutants
an X-Men/My Hero Academia crossover
Read it on AO3
Hey look, I’m randomly back after a 6 or 7 year hiatus! Anyone still remember me?
Currently obsessed with the gay pirate show. Send me fic recs! As usually I ship every ship and then some. (Yes I’ve read Hell or High Water)
Yesterday I got a sudden urge to write an X-Men/My Hero Academia crossover, then stayed up till 6am writing it. If any of my multi-fandom peeps are interested in beta reading please message me.
#thatsit #thatstheshow
every time I see more of the ‘ao3 is evil’ crap circulating I think, ‘well, tumblr is evil too and I don’t see you stop using it’
You know, the more I think about this, the more I think the real complaint isn’t that AO3 hosts “evil” content, it’s that it doesn’t allow harassment/dogpiling of “evil” creators as easily as Tumblr. Abuse won’t remove or even re-tag a work except in a handful of very specific cases, but they will suspend or ban users for harassment, including filing repeated unfounded Abuse reports. Authors also have at least some ability to screen/block comments on works, and there’s no direct messaging system outside of commenting on works through which to pursue harassment. You can follow a creator but you can’t block them (much less encourage others to do the same). Tumblr, by contrast, generally ignores any abuse report that doesn’t involve the DMCA, and aggressive anons can and have driven bloggers off the site entirely. The fact that the same tactics are used by social justice bloggers and neo-Nazis (for instance) doesn’t matter – they’re the affordances of the site, by accident or design, and an entire fannish generation have gotten very used to performing their fannish (and moral) identity in this fashion. (I thinks it’s relevant that AO3 was designed by fandom’s LJ generation and in some respect mirrors the affordances of LJ circa 2010. Tumblr is a very different site and that, moreso than age differences, seems to be at the root of this – though of course age intersect with site experience in a non-trivial way.)
ding ding ding ding.
Ao3 requires you to police your own consumption of content. Ao3 won’t let you destroy someone’s online presence simply because you don’t like it. Ao3 won’t let you impose your own morality on other without cause. If you have issues with this, and the fact that Ao3 requires you to have responsibility and agency, then you seriously need to sit down and have a damned good long hard look at yourself.
The question I usually fail to see being answered when people bitch about the content on AO3 is - so who gets to decide?
You? Me? A committee of my friends? Of yours? Of those who have the most kudos? Of those who have no interest in fandom, but want to protect other people from dangerous content, whatever it may be? Who gets that power, and how long will they have it?
Who are you comfortable with giving the power of regulating all the content? What happens in grey areas? What happens when something you like isn’t liked by the Decider? Is there an appeal? Who gets to make the arguments for and against something?
The world is complex and there are no easy answers.
The impossibility of creating a censorship board that curates based on content is a great reason why those things don’t exist, and shouldn’t.
Certain people are screaming that AO3 is bad because it’s not a “safe space.” The real problem they have, though, is that AO3 was created to be a safe space - for writers. And it does a pretty good job of that. It was designed to be a place where writers are safe from arbitrary content rule changes, random and unwarned deletions, and abuse-report abuse (which is common on ff.net). The Four Big Warnings + CNTW system is beautiful in its fairness and simplicity.
Antis can’t take control of it. And because control-freakdom is at the heart of their “movement,” this drives them into frenzies. Good. It motivated me to dig a little deeper into my pocket to donate on the last drive. For all the pleasure AO3 has given me over the years, that’s money well spent.
The real problem they have, though, is that AO3 was created to be a safe space - for writers.
Preach it loud and hard!
I’m a member of the LJ generation, and when I first came to Tumblr (grudgingly and out of desperation, I might add, since it tragically seems to be the only place to really connect with other fandom peeps) I was horrified at how people here had established this sort of fucked up bully culture, where nobody is responsible for monitoring their own consumption, and rather they expect everyone else to custom tailor content to the whims and desires of the Shrieking Banshee Masses. And woe be to the person who doesn’t bend and break! “I’m going to bully you while accusing you and your Big Mean Poopie Content of being the actual bully, so I can hopefully distract you and others from realizing I’m being a royal intrusive asshat who failed Astronomy 101 b/c I clearly believe the world revolves around me.”
The irony here is that this in itself is an abuse tactic - victim blaming with a side of gaslighting. Pot, meet kettle.
And it’s the exact same mentality that drives right-wing lunatics to kick up a fuss about the existence of icky cootie gay people in media because we need to “protect family values”, or who take to screeching at Starbucks because their particular religious symbolism isn’t portrayed on the winter holiday cups and OMG WAR ON CHRISTMAS, STARBUCKS STOP OPPRESSING ME BY NOT CATERING TO MY PERSONAL TASTE.
The mentality is one and the same - “Cater to ME ME ME or FACE MY DIVINE WRATH even if it means taking away other people’s freedom!” while hiding behind a flimsy-ass shield of faux righteous anger.
And when these bozos find an environment or situation where they’re unable or not allowed to bully people into silence and submission, they stomp their feet and pitch a tantrum and claim that they’re the ones being oppressed. Identical shit, different pile, and it’s the exact same infantile, schoolyard rubbish no matter which side it’s coming from.
This was a really interesting read. The last poster in particular but all of it.
Okay, so I find the history behind this discussion really interesting, because there are two things that stand out to me. One is the thought AO3′s culture is equivalent to LJ circa 2010. This is almost true, except you actually have to go back further. Ao3 and Dreamwidth are both specifically trying to recreate the fan culture of Livejournal from 1999-2007, and I can say that with some authority because A) I was there (olllld) and B) both were founded in 2008/09 as a direct response to the shit happening on LiveJournal and Fanlib. The other thing is the idea that anon-harassment culture started with Tumblr. Because, kiddos, did it ever not. Tumblr is very much Fanfiction.net circa 1998-forward. (That’s right, FF.N was basically always awful.) But how we got from there to here is actually really interesting And tangly. And long.
Up to the late 1990s, fan communities were often small and decentralized because there was a huge fear that fans would be targeted by content creators if they drew too much attention. Since several authors (Anne Rice, Mercedes Lackey, Anne McCaffery) actually DID issue cease&desists to fan creators, it’s kind of understandable where the fear came from. It’s also why you still see fanfic floating around with disclaimers, something young!tumblr loves to mock.
Harry Potter changed *everything*. Like, I really can’t emphasize how much. Fanfiction was always there, being shared on email lists or privately hosted or literally mailed cross country. But Harry Potter hit BIG in 1997. It had a massive crossover appeal that hadn’t been seen since probably the original Star Trek, and the baby Internet was all. over. it. If you weren’t there, imagine Twilight. But bigger. And J.K. Rowling stood out from other creators by condoning fanfiction in her very early interviews. Not to mention there was a lot of down time between books and, as you might know, the fans do not do well unpoliced.
This led to, I’m not kidding, an explosion of sites like FF.N. I don’t think a lot of younger users get how revolutionary AO3 is: not just because it created a safe space, but because of how much it’s done to centralize fanfiction on the internet. We used to get our fix through webrings and e-serves, so in the late 90s/early 00s we thought nothing of having dozens of scattered fanfic sites.
At the same time, the Digital Millennium Copywrite Act was coming down. The legality of fanworks was getting more and more complex. And no one knew how to handle these questions, because they had literally never come up before. When it was just authors going after individual fans, things usually went quick and brutal. Fans had neither the money nor the legal teams to stand up to creators, even if (as we were slowly beginning to realize) we had a strong case to create and share fanworks. So, if you got hit with a takedown notice, you took your fic down and laid low, hoping to avoid any further interest. But now the legal burden was shifting from individuals to well-funded corporations. Fanfic.net and LJ didn’t want to shut down their fan-contributors, who were creating a huge stream of free content and bringing in advertising revenue. At the same time, they didn’t want to get shut down by a lawsuit if Lucasfilm found Han/Chewie smut and decided to go after the real money. The next 10 years were basically all of us – authors, fan creators, website executives – stumbling through brand new legal territory and figuring it out by trial and error. FF.N erred on the side of caution by becoming more and more restrictive. They shut down the entire Anne McCaffrey and Anne Rice sections, and eventually banned “pornographic” fanfiction from the site in an attempt to cover their legal rears. (It backfired, unsurprisingly, because say what you will about fandom: we like our smut. Also, FF.N had other issues that we won’t get into here will discuss shortly.) A bunch of other sites folded or waned in popularity as fandom wars divided the fan population. Authors scattered to the winds, and a lot of them ended up on LJ. LJ started out very user friendly. We’re talking an open source code, an almost entirely volunteer staff. Even after it was sold to 6Apart in 2005, LJ was pretty permissive. A lot of that had to do with the aforementioned DMCA, which protected ISPs and hosting corporations. Like I mentioned above, a lot of the migration from FF.N to LJ (as a place for fanfiction SPECIFICALLY) came when FF.N started banning explicit fanworks. Why? Because FF.N targeted these fanworks based entirely on user reports. “Tell us if you find porn,” FF.N said, “And we’ll take care of it.” Backup real quick. LJ, in many ways, set the standard for online privacy in a way that was far ahead of its time. Friendslocked journals were the norm rather than the exception and many, many communities disallowed anonymous commenting. (I’m not saying LJ wasn’t toxic as fuck, by the way. It is 2017 and let’s all have a moment of acknowledgement for how terrible LJ culture actually could be.) But LJ, on the whole, was much, much better at self-policing than FF.N. On FF.N, all of your stuff was out in the open. It was just there. Anyone could read it, anyone could report it. And these two sites coexisted. All BNFs had a private journal and a public FF.N page. So if I hated someone and I wanted to harass them off the internet, on LJ, I’d have to make multiple sock puppets and concoct elaborate multi-journal ruses to do it on LJ (haha, who would do THAT?). What am I to do? Simple: Head off to FF.N and anonymously flame them there! FF.N became synonymous with anonymous hate long before the anti-smut censorship came down. But once those rules were in place, the system was rife for abuse by the Purity Police or grudgewankers. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before it was cool to dm “kill urself” to someone on tumblr, it was happening on FF.N. All you, the early internet user, had to do was post a report link for your rival’s FF.N account on your LJ. Hate a pairing? A kink? Why not post a scathing rant, link included, to this captive audience of ALL YOUR FRIENDS. Yeah, this system had no room for abuse. So. FF.N opened the door and fandom came rushing through like the raging assholes we are. Certain Fandoms Alluded To Previously got so deeply divided that they split and formed their own fanfiction archives that occasionally rained hate on each other. Everyone else slowly withdrew to LJ, where locked communities offered some level of protection. Then, irony of ironies, fandom as a whole got targeted by the purity wankers. And of course, of course, it came back to Harry Potter. It’s 2007. Things have quieted down since 2001, when certain unnamed people’s fics were targeted for plagiarism and deleted from FF.N even though, just to be clear, they actually were plagiarized and, while there was an element of mob persecution, the actual fact remains that the work in question was legitimately in violation of FF.N’s TOS. Ahem. It’s 2007. And everyone’s fairly chill. Creators are far more comfortable with fanfiction and fan creators are confident in posting their work so long as they aren’t profiting directly from it. Hosting sites, meanwhile, are profiting from fanworks, but they’ve got the legal shield of the DMCA to hide behind, so they’re feeling A-OKAY. And then Warriors for Innocence appears. WfI existed before strikethrough, and they existed after, but they made their mark on fandom when they reported upwards of 500 journals, most of them fan journals and communities, to LJ. The theory runs as follows: 6A, the company who’d bought LJ 2 years prior, realizes that the DMCA didn’t protect them if the fan works in question are “indecent”. Compounding this, 6A is already trying to clean up the famdomier aspects of LJ. Either they’re looking for a sale, or sites like ONTD are bringing in massive amounts of hits. WfI brings 6A a perfect hit list, and 6A goes to work. So one morning we all wake up and find that hundreds of journals, including the pornish_pixies community and several BNF’s personal journals, have been deleted. Literally gone: a lot of the media stored on these communities has been purged forever. Hope you had backups. Also gone: large swaths of the Pretty Gothic Lolita community, Lolita book discussion groups, and rape survivor communities.
In a quest to rid LJ of “pedophilia,” 6A wiped out a large swath of ethically questionable fanfic, and woke a beast. Again: We like our porn. 6A took a step back and restored some of the deleted journals, but the damage had been done. AO3 was already being discussed as a response to Fanlib, a hosting site that wanted to charge for access to fanfiction. (Yes, if you’ve been following along, that was a terrible idea. But that’s a post for another day.) But as AO3 began to change and grow, creators specifically wrote provisions into the TOS that guaranteed a strikethrough-esque event could never happen on the site. A specific kink or pairing would never be considered a violation of the TOS. The onus was on the reader, not the author, to protect themselves with the information given. Basically, AO3 took the early fandom nugget “Don’t like, don’t read” and made it policy. When peole say AO3 grew out of Livejournal, they’re specifically referencing this. One event that proved ALL OF OUR LONGSEATED FEARS WERE TRUUUUUUUUUE. Rising from the ashes of LJ, you also had Dreamwidth. I’m actually kind of surprised DW wasn’t mentioned in the OP, since it grew out of the same ideology as AO3. Run by fans, for fans, because LJ (which at this point had been sold to SUP Media) had no idea what it was doing. Also like AO3, DW went to extreme lengths to make a safe fan culture inherent to the structure the site. Stay within the law, and DW and AO3 will back you up. It’s worth noting that Tumblr actually predates Strikethrough. But Tumblr, unlike DW and AO3, wasn’t designed for fans. It didn’t carry the legacy of Strikethrough with it the way AO3 and DW did. So I guess– I have no evidence, but I’m surmising – that’s how it fell into the role of Natural Successor to Fanfic.net and Livejournal. It’s kind of inevitable, actually, that since neither LJ nor Tumblr was made for fans, they ended up falling into the same black hole of fandom collision. Kinkshaming people off the internet for literally as long as there’s been an internet. And then, on the other hand, you’ve got DW and AO3, who’ve watched fandom rip itself apart AT LEAST 3 times and are determined not to let it happen again. DW and AO3: We haven’t cared about the filthy shit you’re into since 2008. That’s it, folks. Fandom mom wrote almost 2k words on early fandom and now she needs a nap.
AO3 was created to be a safe space - for writers
Kids read your fandom history research goddamit. Here are just a few, and these are not hard to find. We’re the internet generation - use a search field and read multi-source history checks, okay?
(almost all of these are linked from my personal reblogs, because i know i won’t change my username meaning the links will always work)
fandom history:
Yes, fic writers were harassed, sued, sent C&D letters - we published underground
Here is Some Fandom ‘Oral History’ for You Guys @copperbadge
The Places Fandom Dwells: A Cautionary Tale @mizstorge - so many must read links - our whole LJ-and-on online history is here
‘Intellislash’ [or ‘Your Fandom Culture of Origin Matters’] @copperbadge
History of Ancient Fanfiction (no really)
We started on Geocities and del.i.cio.us - then Yahoo came…
a brief history of the LJ strikethrough and subsequent fan migration @stardust-rain
Very First Star Trek Fic Published - 1974
What JKR and SMeyer did for fanfic
some good fandom knowledgebase specifics:
bangpaths - when you see slutty!Snape, for example
Squicks and Triggers - not the same thing (multi-thread)
Fandom-wank (what is it)
AO3 says descriptive/story-telling tags are a-okay
all the crap about policing fanficition for any reason:
Fandom and fac can only be a healthy outlet if it stops policing shit - be it taboos, dark sides, gender, orientation, kink, etc. (multi-thread - @televisiontelepath )
“Ship means something you want to see happen.” Bitch, no it don’t. @pyrebomb
I’m Done Explaining Why Fanfic is Okay @bookshop & others + links
I think fanfiction is literature and literature, for the most part, is fanfiction, and that anyone that dismisses it simply on the grounds that it’s derivative knows fuck-all about literature and needs to get the hell off my lawn. @inkandcayenne
Foz on Hurt/Comfort fic
Why Do Fangirls Always Make Them Gay?
The Importance of Mary Sue unwinona
random fan history fun reads:
Fangirling after 30 (multi-thread)
Older fans run our Infrastructure (also, 90+ year old author who writes darkwing duck slashfic how awesome is that (multi-thread)
we built this kingdom, motherfuckers, with the trekkie zine housewives before us (multi-thread) older fans fun tories
STRAIGHT DUDES OF THE WORLD [in which @fozmeadows explains the best way to learn about female desire…is to read words written by actual females :D]
On Fanfic & Emotional Continuity (multi-thread)
It’s [never] Just Fanfic
Fanlore
Fan is a Tool Using Animal
my odds and ends cause i have actually been here a while
We made AO3 TO PROTECT WRITERS WHO WERE BEING SUED,AND HARASSED,AND ATTACKED.,you don’t wanna read something? check the tags and move on,that’s YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO YOURSELF,not our responsibility as the writers, as the fanartists,as the vidders,as the content creators of all kinds,ARTISTS MAKE ART,YOU DON’T LIKE THAT PARTICULAR ART? MOVE ALONG. THERE’S PLENTY MORE WHERE THAT CAME FROM.,and for FUCK’S SAKE read the GOD DAMNED TAGS,we the writers TAG OUR SHIT TO HELP YOU KEEP YOURSELF SAFE.
So, I was reading this, and taking notes, and *boom* “Hey, that’s my article!” Thanks!
Why I will fight for AO3 and DW: “Rising from the ashes of LJ, you also had Dreamwidth. I’m actually kind of surprised DW wasn’t mentioned in the OP, since it grew out of the same ideology as AO3. Run by fans, for fans, because LJ (which at this point had been sold to SUP Media) had no idea what it was doing. Also like AO3, DW went to extreme lengths to make a safe fan culture inherent to the structure the site. Stay within the law, and DW and AO3 will back you up. It’s worth noting that Tumblr actually predates Strikethrough. But Tumblr, unlike DW and AO3, wasn’t designed for fans. It didn’t carry the legacy of Strikethrough with it the way AO3 and DW did. So I guess– I have no evidence, but I’m surmising – that’s how it fell into the role of Natural Successor to Fanfic.net and Livejournal. It’s kind of inevitable, actually, that since neither LJ nor Tumblr was made for fans, they ended up falling into the same black hole of fandom collision. Kinkshaming people off the internet for literally as long as there’s been an internet. And then, on the other hand, you’ve got DW and AO3, who’ve watched fandom rip itself apart AT LEAST 3 times and are determined not to let it happen again. DW and AO3: We haven’t cared about the filthy shit you’re into since 2008.” @rapacityinblue
All of this. So much. Don’t get me wrong, I love the aspect of tumblr that allows fans to be critical of source content and fan content alike. I think we should talk about the issues with things like incest ships and ships with large age gaps, and why white male villains often end up with massive fanbases while Black heroes end up with much smaller ones, or even with haters. And tons of other issues besides. I think the critical side of fandom is important and endlessly interesting. We should discuss and discourse and argue and meta the hell out of things.
But. The side of tumblr that bullies, doxxes, and harasses anyone who doesn’t fall in line with a person or group’s parameters of acceptable content is disgusting to me. And the calls for some kind of oversight or regulation beyond stuff that’s already illegal are concerning, because as others have said…no one calling for it seems to be able to articulate who decides this shit, and where lines are drawn. It’s one thing to talk in terms of what you personally will accept, condone, or do. It’s another thing all together to talk about setting overarching policies that large groups of people are held to.
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“I think we should talk about the issues with things like incest ships and ships with large age gaps”
Okay, I… actually disagree with this. And I know you’re not trying to argue they should be banned on AO3 or anything and that wasn’t the point of your comment, but I really want to respond to this specifically.
Because the thing is, I do not know a single person who ships incest or abusive ships, or even minor/adult ships who doesn’t realize that in real life these things are harmful and abusive. (age gaps are… well that’s a whole other thing bc what do you even MEAN by large age gaps? Someone who’s 80 dating someone who’s 50 is not the same as someone’ who’s 19 dating someone who’s 25, but the age gap is bigger in the former. So that’s it’s own fucking thing and I don’t think it should automatically get lumped in with other obviously-abusive types of ships). Those people who take it into real life were doing that regardless of shipping or fandom, and it’s not about them shipping a “bad” ship it’s about them already being that kind of person.
Saying “we should talk about the issues with these ships” is essentially making a judgement call on the morality of a person’s shipping of fictional people and dynamics that I have never seen reflect a desire to see those things happen with real people. I have shipped, fictionally, a 19-20yo with a 35yo. In real life that would be so suspect and almost certainly unhealthy and likely abusive, but in fiction it’s fictional, it’s two characters who I think have an interesting dynamic. I have, yes, shipped incest ships. In real life they would almost certainly be abusive or at minimum deeply unhealthily codependent, and to be fair I often shipped them as deeply codependent, but like, I would never want these things to happen to real people? If they were real people I would be horrified.
But to me that’s like… no different than enjoying a film or a book or a fic or tv show that has copious amounts of violence and murder. Obviously irl I don’t support those things? But in fiction it can be interesting and even fun to explore. BECAUSE IT’S FICTION, because it’s not real and I am not limited to only enjoying media that I believe would be right and moral and acceptable in real life. I love watching horror movies. Scream is one of my favorites - but that doesn’t mean I approve of murder?
So like, if we notice actual young people coming in and supporting these kinds of things (ships or literally anything else that is fun in fiction but horrible outside of it) in real life, yeah maybe we should stop and say “hey you know that irl these things are NOT GOOD, right?” but that’s not an issue fandom has ever struggled with, because by the time they’re old enough to be in fandom spaces, teens know the difference between fiction and reality, and usually know the difference between right and wrong and what isn’t acceptable or right irl even if it’s done in their favorite movie.
So saying “We should talk about the issues with these ships” is essentially a straw man, because there is no large scale problem with these things being seen as unproblematic if they happened in real life, and that’s just feeding in to all the really gross purity culture bullshit that you find all over tumblr, that’s directly descended, ideologically, from the shit that caused strikethrough. That’s like saying to Hannibal fandom that “we should talk about the issues with murder and cannibalism” as if the Hannibal fandom doesn’t know that these are things that aren’t to be celebrated or done in real life. As if there’s people in the fandom who go “but we like Hannibal and he murders and cannibalizes, so it must be okay!”
We don’t actually have to talk about those kinds of ships. Because those ships are fictional and the shippers know it, and I think it’s really misguided to bring that kind of sentiment into this discussion.
i’m losing my goddamn mind
For tonight’s Saturday viewing, you can see me as a scenery-chewing villain in “HAN SOLO: A Smuggler’s Trade” on the YouTube … while that “other” Star Wars film is still in cinemas!
Many have asked over the years if I’ve ever been in anything Star Wars, and this is my answer!
A slick fan film starring the talented Jamie Costa as Han Solo. Also with Cory Daniel as Chewy and me as the wicked Gyorsho.
CLICK TO WATCH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvPfCTyd3X8