It's not perfect- Strawpage's design tools are... not great- but I did my best to bring you all a Tumblr-free transcription of all my lessons. This is probably the most labor-intensive thing I've done for this page (next to the character polls). Four months of blood, sweat, and tears... and now, she LIVES!!!!
Some Notes:
I created it with the intent of Desktop use, so Mobile might have some issues. If it's not working on your phone, try desktop.
Out of the multiple browsers tested (Firefox, Google, Edge, Brave, Safari), Firefox had some issues sporadically.
I'm still going to post lessons on here, first. This page is priority to me, and the website is more of an archive.
The fonts are normal past this opening page.
I will be adding a portion to send funds soon, if'n you are feeling kind and generous.
Thank you all for your patience while I worked on this. It was a labor of love and I hope that it shows. 🙏🏾 Happy scrolling!
I've made some slow but solid progress on the colored pencil brushes I've been making for Rebelle 7 and 8, and have gotten to the stage of checking how they work "in practice" (instead of just quick theoretical tests). It's proven to have been wise thus far, because some actual use (plus a few general questions folks had on the forums) has shown me there's a couple extra brushes that would be good to have, which I hadn't considered before. (In R7 so far, at least. One might be less necessary in R8, but we'll see when I get there.)
I do have a new piece I wanna try them out on, but with low spoons, it's...stuck in the "almost done with lineart" stage. So I pivoted to test out recoloring a drawing of sweetling Andy I did a little while ago, since the lineart's already good to go! It's also got some bonuses like being bigger than I usually work (so I can make sure these brushes function for print size, not just digital)...and large enough that I can split it vertically, with enough space to get thorough tests in R7 on one side and R8 on the other!
(The brush engine was remade for R8, so there's some distinct differences in brush behavior. Especially regarding how paper texture and blending interact, which is a pretty big aspect of my colored pencil brushes.)
I'm also doing this recolor test with the Prismacolor palette I pared down (to only include the ones I physically have), so I can eventually double-check brush behavior, and see if the colors blend decently accurately.
(I know that, like, black raspberry blends different physically, just because the pigment used for it looks way more bright and saturated when it's more spread out. Not much to be done about a unique material like that digitally. But besides that, gotta make sure the brushes set to darken mode don't cause too many incorrect hue shifts.)
The wild thing is that, despite using a totally different set of colors and blending methods? Thus far the skin, silver, Lumie blue, and (tiny bit of) matte "black" have been like. Identical. I mean, I aimed to get close, but I did NOT anticipate anything would be essentially indistinguishable.
The original used a Copic-based color palette and brushes in the Inks category, which have a built-in multiply-type effect when layering (which is why the shadows are super saturated), with one color per section. This time, I'm doing the Prismacolor-based palette with brushes in the Pencils category (which do not have the built-in multiply), manually blending 2-3+ colors to get something I only expected to be "close enough." And yet HERE WE ARE
(The pink is very different, but I could probably get near-identical if I used a pair of colors from the full Prismacolor set. I just don't have the physical pencils that are the right saturation/hue. The shiny black-purple leather and such is also more saturated, because I don't have a grey-purple, but like. It looks nice, and I can dull it later if it stands out more than I want, once I get more of the matte black arranged for comparison.)
In the preview below, everything to the right of the green line is the old ink coloring, while everything on the left has been done with my new colored pencil brushes:
Hey y’all I have an announcement! My web app that I’ve been working on, Afro Index, is now live! It’s a visual reference library of Black hairstyles, for artist, animators, writers, and anyone who wants to learn more about them!
Check it out at afroindex.org! 💛✨
A reference library for Black hairstyles with accurate naming,
structured filtering, and curated reference images.
With Black redesigns, do you have opinions on interpreting crazy spiky anime hair (like Dragon Ball or Yu Gi Oh) as styled/shaped afros? I can't remember seeing it done that much, but recently there's been a few posts going around by donutsbagels that show all kinds of more elaborate hairstyles, including spiky ones that really reminded me of those anime styles! I think i really like the idea of the hair's silhouette being carried over on some redesigns, especially when it's particularly distinctive. But are there still some things to keep in mind? Like how to still make the hairstyle read as Black hair?
Go for it 👍🏾 @phoenix-before-the-flame has a short instructional on how to reconsider design during Black edits, if you want to refer to that!
I went looking to check whether I'd already seen the post that @creatingblackcharacters mentioned (I had), and while searching for it remembered a whole bunch of other resources that might be useful for you, Anon. So!
First, the short instructional that CBC was directing you to.
While I was looking for that, I also saw another question that they answered specifically about hair when doing redesigns!
Also, as CBC has said before, it's good to look at examples of how Black people draw themselves, to get an idea of how to stylize art without being disrespectful. (It usually comes up when folks ask about Black coding and/or furries, but it applies here, too. Especially with how racist anime can be sometimes.) So in that vein, here's two compilation posts from @phoenix-before-the-flame of some redesigns they've done.
Plus another compilation post I've seen before by @kenmaiii, of different ways they've drawn multiple types of hairstyles.
(Both of them have pinned posts for commissions by the way! Go check them out if you can!!)
For an even broader range of art styles, CBC often shares posts by Black artists on here, so you can check out that tag for more!
(For this link, I'll note that not everyone who has participated in these has been Black, but) the Draw This in Your Style events that CBC has been running are also full of good examples of how to adjust a character's design, focused on one specific character every couple weeks. And before that, she ran the Melanin Beam Challenge, which was a sort of free-for-all where folks submitted whatever character(s) they chose to do!
Going beyond just what CBC has directly shared and/or done as specific challenges, you can also search the "Black edit" tag on here. A lot of folks have been editing or redrawing a whole bunch of characters (anime and otherwise) to be Black for a long while!
If you have an easier time learning from guided tutorials, CBC recently got an ask sharing a book you can get that is specifically How to Draw Diverse Manga! My copy hasn't arrived, so I don't have detailed feedback yet, but you can check reviews on different sites to see whether that might be something you want to check out.
If you like or prefer videos, @naylissah (who has made some amazing picrews!!) has some excellent tutorials over on her youtube, both for specific hairstyles as well as broader character design thoughts!
Also also, Anon, your last question was partly answered (for styles you choose to do as a shaped afro, rather than as locs/braids/etc.) in the last image for Part 3 of the @donutsbagels series of posts you mentioned, if you've not seen all four of them yet! (The bottom of each posts links to the next in the series, if you've not clicked through all of those.) There are other ways to handle it depending on your art style, but it boils down to learning how to draw Black hair texture (and other features).
Expanding on that, you can do some research on natural hair sculpting to get an idea of what various cool hair silhouettes might look like in the real world. She's a Solar Being is very popular and incredibly creative with the hair sculpts she's done (and sometimes makes or shares 2d and 3d art that she's inspired folks to make), but you can also just search around the internet to find other examples!
Finally, whether you're new here or have been around a while, don't forget to (re-)check out CBC's syllabus! She's got several lessons about hair and drawing (and writing and thinking). They contain links to even more tutorials, plus resources and info about some basic types of hairstyles. Knowing what they're called will help make it easier for you to do your own further research, and find even more inspiration!
Absolutely wonderful reply with resources & information i highly agree with! Just wanted to add a little bit as well as someone that's done a decent amount of Black edits/Redraws/Re-imagines over the years also. ^-^
For me, the main thing i consider when trying to translate what would work is considering the original style itself (of course) then figuring out:-
-how can i more-or-less make the same shape/silhouette for the character and carry that over? (which is good that it's something that's being kept in mind already!)
-what style might be fitting and/or functional for the character themselves in that universe or setting (and you dont necessarily need to follow 'realistic' rules too closely obviously. i feel like a lot can be done with our hair regardless in a lot of awesome rule defying ways)
*even just freeballin it and being like 'i think they would look good with this' even if it doesnt necessarily match the silhouette is fine too, i think the most important part is Would They Rock This Style
-what texture might that be, since of course that can come in many different variations
The first time I attempted doing this with Sampo i wanted to follow the swoops in his hair as best as possible. Then i realized locs weren't particularly working for me and i switched it up to twists!
It mostly still follows the same hair flow and I feel it works better! plus its just very fun to render.
Another example is when I wanted to draw Choso. The first thing to come to mind was two puffs. I mean... cmon. This doesnt mean that other styles wouldn't work, but it's still good to think about what would be emulated onto the character. Everyone's gonna have different ideas even if we can agree on some!
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Among many other examples:-
I dont have much anthro/furry experience but having drawn ponies there's really... not that big of a hurdle to hop in drawing Black or afro-textured hair there either. Same rules apply tbh. The subject is just Slightly different.
Though when pony-fying characters I have to consider the skintone, potential hair additions like the tail type/texture, cutiemark (or none), horns/wings, and what theyd be. In the MLPverse there are also dragons, griffons, changelings and other sorts of hooved animals; so to speak.
Human-wise, I put that kind of consideration into how a character might fix their hair, or what may skintone work nicely with their palette (while being mindful of harmful stereotypes). Ideally, it's just thinking about 'Would this work/what fits This character'
You cant go wrong with looking through the Black furry/Black Anthro artist tag for more examples. Or anywhere outside of Tumblr tbh.
Though some artists and furs I like (Black+POC) who can tackle this, for example, are:
@/satellitedusterart
@/cupiidzbow
@/ratycaks
@/tainted-sweet-meats
@/michaels-reality
@/marleemutt
@/toorurii
@/skunkes to name some.
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[ + the rough sketch :P]
Introducing my fucking FURSONAAAAA
I've been wanting to have a fursona I could draw myself as for so long and I finally settled on one :3 an
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I also highly recommend @ligerbombz as a guide. i've seen some of the absolute best most creative renditions of these characters hairstyles being translated and I nod my head every single time. They also actually made a guide on afro-fying hair for anime styles.
💬 0 🔁 75 ❤️ 460 · Well when u get a question enough times it means that u finally have to make an attempt at a tutorial 😭😭
Thank you @magm
[the piece above can be found here.]
Unironically threads like this where people are like "Styles I Think [Fandom Here] Characters would have if they were Black" Or "Black Hairstyles i think [_] characters would have"; can be good direct visuals of hair being translated to fit a characters design. Even just browsing through posts/threads like these for a little while can get one thinking about how to approach it as well.
💬 3 🔁 148 ❤️ 462 · oshiankozuki @ twt made a wonderful thread of OP characters with black hairstyles
Here are a few more thread links for example:
MHA Characters | KNY Characters | Jojo's | JJK | Haikyuu etc etc just to share a lil sumn sumn.
Additionally, other artists that instantly come to mind that I like who are good at this are @/pcktknife (Kae) and @/ackee (Mani, formerly @/cinnimani ). Mani isn't much of a fandom artist anymore and more-so OC orientated, but I still highly rec you support her for that too! But a good example that comes to mind was her Undertale humanizations!
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references and a lil bit of creativity are your friends when it all comes down to it. i think Pinterest or observing other artists approaches for later application en mass is always the best for that. (Not direct copying or tracing! But personal study and amalgamation that then becomes your own!)
If you find at least one Black Artist it is very easy to find more, whether they're also in the replies/tags/reblogs supporting each other or in the search bar. You just need to take the time to look!
All-in-all just remember to be mindful with your depictions and have fun. go wild truly :]
With Black redesigns, do you have opinions on interpreting crazy spiky anime hair (like Dragon Ball or Yu Gi Oh) as styled/shaped afros? I can't remember seeing it done that much, but recently there's been a few posts going around by donutsbagels that show all kinds of more elaborate hairstyles, including spiky ones that really reminded me of those anime styles! I think i really like the idea of the hair's silhouette being carried over on some redesigns, especially when it's particularly distinctive. But are there still some things to keep in mind? Like how to still make the hairstyle read as Black hair?
Go for it 👍🏾 @phoenix-before-the-flame has a short instructional on how to reconsider design during Black edits, if you want to refer to that!
I went looking to check whether I'd already seen the post that @creatingblackcharacters mentioned (I had), and while searching for it remembered a whole bunch of other resources that might be useful for you, Anon. So!
First, the short instructional that CBC was directing you to.
While I was looking for that, I also saw another question that they answered specifically about hair when doing redesigns!
Also, as CBC has said before, it's good to look at examples of how Black people draw themselves, to get an idea of how to stylize art without being disrespectful. (It usually comes up when folks ask about Black coding and/or furries, but it applies here, too. Especially with how racist anime can be sometimes.) So in that vein, here's two compilation posts from @phoenix-before-the-flame of some redesigns they've done.
Plus another compilation post I've seen before by @kenmaiii, of different ways they've drawn multiple types of hairstyles.
(Both of them have pinned posts for commissions by the way! Go check them out if you can!!)
For an even broader range of art styles, CBC often shares posts by Black artists on here, so you can check out that tag for more!
(For this link, I'll note that not everyone who has participated in these has been Black, but) the Draw This in Your Style events that CBC has been running are also full of good examples of how to adjust a character's design, focused on one specific character every couple weeks. And before that, she ran the Melanin Beam Challenge, which was a sort of free-for-all where folks submitted whatever character(s) they chose to do!
Going beyond just what CBC has directly shared and/or done as specific challenges, you can also search the "Black edit" tag on here. A lot of folks have been editing or redrawing a whole bunch of characters (anime and otherwise) to be Black for a long while!
If you have an easier time learning from guided tutorials, CBC recently got an ask sharing a book you can get that is specifically How to Draw Diverse Manga! My copy hasn't arrived, so I don't have detailed feedback yet, but you can check reviews on different sites to see whether that might be something you want to check out.
If you like or prefer videos, @naylissah (who has made some amazing picrews!!) has some excellent tutorials over on her youtube, both for specific hairstyles as well as broader character design thoughts!
Also also, Anon, your last question was partly answered (for styles you choose to do as a shaped afro, rather than as locs/braids/etc.) in the last image for Part 3 of the @donutsbagels series of posts you mentioned, if you've not seen all four of them yet! (The bottom of each posts links to the next in the series, if you've not clicked through all of those.) There are other ways to handle it depending on your art style, but it boils down to learning how to draw Black hair texture (and other features).
Expanding on that, you can do some research on natural hair sculpting to get an idea of what various cool hair silhouettes might look like in the real world. She's a Solar Being is very popular and incredibly creative with the hair sculpts she's done (and sometimes makes or shares 2d and 3d art that she's inspired folks to make), but you can also just search around the internet to find other examples!
Finally, whether you're new here or have been around a while, don't forget to (re-)check out CBC's syllabus! She's got several lessons about hair and drawing (and writing and thinking). They contain links to even more tutorials, plus resources and info about some basic types of hairstyles. Knowing what they're called will help make it easier for you to do your own further research, and find even more inspiration!
Since a lot of asks you've shared are around how to portray Black characters in visual art, I wanted to share a book I found!
It's called "How to Draw Diverse Manga", and it's written by Black manga artists with an emphasis on how to draw hairstyles, facial features, and other characteristics with respect and intention.
I'm trying to learn to illustrate right now, and it the first book I started using. I've really enjoyed learning from the book.
Anyway, I hope you have a fantastic day! Here's a link to the book:
It looks like the Thriftbooks and Book Outlet links on that page have some listings of the physical book available cheaper than most/all of the ebook options! So for folks on a budget, if one of the library-type options isn't available, those might be affordable alternatives! (At least if you're in the US/Canada, for their relatively cheap shipping.)
Okay I JUST realized I never posted these on here—- BUT BASICALLY, about a year and a half ago I started doing these experimental black hairstyle posts that were threads long on Twitter, to give artists a source of inspo for their black ocs whose hair they wanted to try something new with! There’s more to black hair than just the selected styles portrayed in media, and I thought it would be fun to show people how much texture, shape, fades, length, and style can be combined when drawing black hair—-cause it’s a kind of manipulation our hair can do irl! The OG thread from when I made these a year ago were lost with the hacking of my original Twitter account (@/bagels_donuts) but I’ve since reuploaded the whole thread to my new Twitter (@/ItsDonutsFR)! I hope artists on tumblr find these useful, sorry it took me so long to post them here😭🙏🏾 I’ll upload them all in parts!
Part 1: Long masc hairstyles + playing with fades
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Boring tired disclaimer: Keep in mind that this is an introductory "drawing" "tutorial" and has some generalizations in it, so not every “X is Z” statement will be true for Actual People. Which happens to be true for everything in general. Links below so that you can research and do a nuance. Ones that were directly mentioned are bolded.
Writing a blind character 101
What to avoid etc
Video on types of white canes
Video on types of cane tips
Some more explanation on white canes + tips + other stuff
Guide animals
Video on working with a guide dog
↑ if you're doing a non-dog non-horse animal please still perceive those two links. A guide animal is not a GPS that tells you "left" or "right" (in fact, you're the one telling it which direction you want to go). So before giving them something weird check if it actually makes sense. You can make a fantasy animal that still makes sense I promise 🦮👍
But why are Magical White Eyes a problem
Same as above
Going blind from an accident
Video on conformers
World's most basic "what do you call someone with albinism"
The blindfold thing. No people don't wear these.
This mostly stupid trope of covering a blind character's eyes because lord forbid someone sees a disabled body part
This just stupid trope of giving a blind character some bs superpower to "see"
The echolocation thing that every other blind oc does for some reason
Just give them a cane good lord if you want a character that can see perfectly then maybe don't make them blind
Bonus: if your character has a bunch of scars or whatever else then congrats! You made a character with a facial difference. Which is also something you should research.
I'm currently trying to figure out how to describe one of my Black women (Kaina, the Black werewolf). The issue comes from how I want Zabrina, who is a biologist, to describe Kaina, mainly her skin tone. I used flowers when describing how beautiful some members were, both men and women, so I figure it doesn't hurt to use the same trend for Kaina. I'll just throw out some flower names I’m considering to use as metaphors when the two are in love:
She possessed the rich brown of an Angel Amber Kiss, underscored by a saffron-yellow blush.
My eyes refuse to look away from her luxurious brown skin with the shade of Rosanne Terracotta, complemented by red undertones peeking underneath.
Her fur rubs against my arms, yet all I can focus on is her lovely deep brown skin that reminds me of Carolina Allspices, the same ones in her conditioner.
Her brown skin shining like a Brown Daylily embraces my own, slowly wrapping around my sides and allowing me the privilege of viewing her low-gold tones up close.
Some of this might read as 'baby's first writing piece', which isn't inaccurate honestly; still, I hope these were good attempts, as well as if there were any that resonated with you.
(I will also say though, I won't be offended if someone else decides to use these flowers to describe some of their characters. I'd be happy if I managed to give back to people that helped me understand how to write my characters.)
Ooooh I love that first flower! I don't think I've ever seen any brown flowers before! I think the first one sounds best, too, in terms of writing. Only because I don't think I'd wanna be called a Carolina Allspice lmao. And for the fourth one, you could say "like a Daylily", and when people go "wdym" then they get to look it up and find out it's brown.
I'm not among the folks who frequently draw amazing closeups of gorgeous lips, but I was so struck by those first flowers I wanted to give it a go!
Process rambling and alt version below the cut:
I typically only use Rebelle's oil paints once in a while for certain effects, and even then, rarely for full painting. So after I got the lips sketched and the lineart drawn, it took a bunch of testing to find a brush that worked the way I wanted for the impasto texture. Eventually found one that looked good overall, but with both its default high oiliness and blending, it was like...adding green and red when it blended the browns?? And pulling colors waaay too far. So I turned just the blending down to almost-nothing ('cause the high oiliness was sooo nice and smooth), and it worked out well!
Then, after painting the overall flower-like makeup pattern (with the brush's texture following the curve of the lips), I used watercolor for the shading and pseudo-vein lines. That let them diffuse into and enhance the texture of the oil paint, because Rebelle's watercolor physics can work with both the canvas texture and the oil paint's impasto. Didn't need to do manual highlights, though, 'cause the metallic effect on the oil paint had that covered pretty well! (I did try testing it with added highlights, but they ended up obscuring the colors more than I wanted, interrupting the gradients and details. Might look good if I did it without the metallic shine? But I like it as-is.)
I also got this canvas (WK09 Kozo) a little while ago because there was a sale and the fibers look kinda like roots, and I figured that might be useful for something or other eventually. Probably something related to Secret World Legends. But it also kinda looks like fur, especially with the deckled edges on...and each impression works for the character, and her description that inspired this drawing!
Bonus: here's how it looks without the metallic effect!
Back in 2022, I used a few Bakuratober prompts as my first ways to test out different features in the new-to-me Rebelle 5. (Specifically, how canvas texture affects brushes, how the watercolor physics work, and what sort of things could be done with the impasto texture.)
Now, in 2025, Rebelle is on version 8, with a fair chunk of new features released over the years (oh clipping masks, how I wish I had you back in R5, that first Bakura was rough to do without). And I--with a better grasp on its tools, and having recently re-found my physical colored pencils--wanted a quick way to test out a new colored pencil brush I decided to make.
So here we are! I've recolored the "mixed media" piece I did back then--replacing the (pseudo-)"ballpoint pen/colored pencil" brush coloring with my new, more realistic colored pencil brush. (On the way I realized leaving the canvas visible as the highlighting for most things was good...but that the linen should use it as shading because it's brighter, so. That also looks way better now.) I also used a clipping mask (my beloved) to apply a metallic effect to his cartouche and my signature, because why not. I left the lineart, dirt, mist, and ghosts as-is, since they were perfectly fine. But I'm quite satisfied with the new colored pencil texture! It's much more practical to use, and I can get nice gradients and everything.
(Not featured here is the texture it has at maximum pressure, nor how it looks when blended. But I've been building it to mimic colored pencils as much as I could manage, and to keep the blending from looking too digital-smooth. So I'll probably draw something that includes those eventually!)
I also used a Prismacolor palette that I found recently, instead of (mostly) Rebelle's "Oil Pigments" color palette, and it meshes way better with the foggy lighting! I did try to keep myself limited to colors I physically own, too. In theory, this would be a passable way to maintain familiarity, and challenge me to think about how to achieve a given color the same way I would with my physical pencils. (I don't have cream or beige, so the linen took some layering.)
In practice...some pigments do weird things in person, and the Pigment feature in Rebelle...has some trouble with reds, making them very pink or purple tinted. That worked out really well in this case, since the canvas and lighting are blue! But the Pigment feature shines best with things like mixing blue and yellow to make a proper green, instead of the weird grey digital blending is prone to.
And in case you haven’t seen it before, here’s the “Bakhura” name analyzation: https://fictatious.livejournal.com/29840.html
So, folks were discussing Orochi and its relative efficacy in the SWL discord. One response from White Dame P-Girl was:
It probably doesn't help that one of the the CEOs is an evil villain with what I would like to imagine are quite a few supervillain plans, while the other is probably more like 'Eh, how much does a banana cost? Six dollars?'
...
I like to think of Samael as a bit out of touch with humanity.
Which sparked inspiration (as Secret Worlders are wont to do) in my brain to doodle a silly thing. I maybe put more effort than strictly necessary into recreating this...since I could've just cut-and-pasted his head onto the original meme. But I wanted to put Chandra on his big fancy TV, so I drew him instead, and then...had some fun with variant subtitles. >:D
(The second one is referencing one of P-Girl's AU fanfics, and the third was for funsies for @vomher, because it's funny to think about Orochi and Kaiba Corp bickering with each other.)
Kurama from Yu Yu Hakusho, for @creatingblackcharacters' Melanin Beam Challenge! Happy birthday, Ice!
The past couple weeks have been hectic, so I wasn't sure if I'd be able to make something in time. But I did it!
I figured hey, I know how to draw Kurama from memory (even after a decade of not), so he should be relatively easy for me to do. And he was!
...Except for the parts were I wanted to test stuff in Rebelle's new version (which is in early access, so I had to wrestle against some bugs while drawing); I had to make the braid brush from scratch (which took like half my "drawing" time, figuring out how to wrangle the impasto to make a good shape without going weird); and I got sucked into researching for cool rose-themed/adjacent cornrow patterns (which was great, but also took a fair chunk of time).
(The one on the side(s) of his head is one I found on youtube! The big one on the back is an evolution from my initial idea of a top-view spiraling Big Rose, adjusted to match the small one(s), and refined via some layered patterns I ran across, like this one. It could look better, but I've run out of time to keep fiddling with it for this event.)
But! I got him done, and I'm pretty pleased with how he turned out!
(OH ALSO those spots in the background are actually letters (and at least one question mark)! Rebelle has a set of papers that were made from pulped books, and I figured it would be fitting for clever Kurama!)
