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The Main Reason As To Why I Believe The Good Omens Finale Was Actually Decent And A Good Way To End Their Arc As Characters And The Only Issue Was The Lack Of Available Screentime. (Any Hate Will Be Blocked. I'm Not Looking To Get Harassed. Just Want To Share My View On It.)

The main issue I believe for our beloved AziCrow was, of course, Heaven and Hell. (Which it always appears to be). But I mean this on a deeper level than just the main plot points of the show.

There was always constant interference between them by Heaven and Hell throughout the show when it comes to their relationship. In fact, I believe if they tried to have their romantic relationship, Heaven and Hell would have definitely killed them. Which we saw previously when Heaven and Hell tried to kill them merely for being friends (Which of course didn't happen due to the switch). But I believe that to be just one of the surface issues as well.

It's shown from episode one of season one that Aziraphale believes, and cannot get rid of the mindset, that due to Crowley being a demon he is below Aziraphale and they shouldn't even be speaking to one another most times. While he gets over it a little, it's still shown in the last episode of season two and in the season 3 finale that Aziraphale still thinks that way deep down.

Now, Crowley doesn't appear to care as much for the fact they are meant to be on opposing sides. In fact, he routinely tries to get Aziraphale to realize they're on their own side, which the angel doesn't seem to understand (or at least wants to understand despite knowing it deep down). I believe Crowley's main problem is resentment. He resents that he was cast out by God and from Heaven for just asking questions while Aziraphale appears to commit several sins and is an "imperfect" angel and he doesn't get cast out like Crowley had. And while I also believe that is part of why Crowley loves him, it is understandable and believable that he would hold some resentment towards that.

In the Finale, they ask God to make a new universe without heaven and hell and God and Satan because they know it's the only possible way for them to be together AND to protect the inhabitants of Earth. Yes, they don't know that any part of them will be in this new universe. And yes, the new universes versions aren't OUR Crowley and Aziraphale. But it was their only chance and glimmer of hope.

Both of them knew deep down they could never run off to another planet or nebula to live their happily ever after as an angel and demon, because that would mean leaving Earth. That would mean leaving the people that they grew to love and protect. Which is not something Crowley and Aziraphale could ever live with. And anyone who's seen the show and paid attention would know this about them as well.

I believe had there been more available screentime, they could have showed this more instead of having to hope the audience would remember the past seasons. Cause both of the previous seasons had similar concepts of them not being able to bring themselves to leave despite knowing they could because it would doom the people of Earth to Heaven and Hell's wrath. I thought it obvious that they (the writers) were trying to replicate that again, but due to the rushed sequences were unable to do it effectively. (Which is nothing against them. They worked with what they could.) And it was obvious there was more planned had the time not been cut into a small movie instead of the usual six episode seasons. (Shown with the introduction of Jesus, which I wish had had a bigger role in the overall plot).

But before I get sidetracked, which I seem to do a lot (this is my seventh draft of this) Yes. The ending was rushed. Yes, the new Anthony and Asa aren't our Crowley and Aziraphale. But it is the ending their souls deserved, and it was the only possible way for them to be happy together without them having to leave Earth and it's people to possible distruction.

I hope this makes sense and helps people not be as hateful or mad about the ending. Because I respect others opinions, but I feel like the level of hatred is a tad bit much and I don't want the actors/actresses/writers/etc. to be getting flamed for the finale.

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Not to alarm anyone, but where the hell is Aziraphale's bookshop???

Not sure what youre looking at? Here lemme just

Just one more little...

Is that a forklift?? It isn't a car, and it doesnt look like what the outside of his bookshop usually appears as. Actually... you know what it does look like?

No not Shax. The warehouse she's in with her demon army. I don't have any better pictures of it at this time. But the outside of aziraphale's shop reminds me of that. If you look, the streets are wet, but the rest of the surroundings dont really look like shops.

Anyways, just something I noticed that I wanted to share with the class.

Hope everyone is excited to watch Good Omens 3!

#good omens #good omens 2 #ineffable husbands #aziraphale #good omens 3 #good omens theory #is this really a theory?#i think it qualifies as more of an observation #since I'm not really saying much on it #i just think its weird theres a forklift outside his shop #if i had to take a guess this is probably towards the end of the season? movie #movie?

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"Casino Crowley" "Crowley owns a Casino"

Ok but what if its a sobriety coin from the Alcoholic Anonymous ? 😭

#good omens #good omens 3 #okay but actually #and i cant tell if the glasses shape fits for this #but what if its actually more 1940s crowley and aziraphale

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I would articulate the major difference between book!Omens and show!Omens as follows:

book!Omens is about how people are fundamentally people. show!Omens is about how angels and demons are fundamentally people too.

So while Aziraphale and Crowley in the book are quite settled and secure in their dynamic and their shades of grey, their show counterparts are not. Their characters have been stretched out over a three-act romance arc, and they have a lot of growing to do.

book!Aziraphale is “just enough of a bastard.” show!Aziraphale is Much Worse (said with utmost love). Much Worse in the sense that he's capable of being a bit of a bastard but he's so twisted up in knots over his own rigid morality and need to narrativize everything that he frets and lashes out and hurts people (see Edinburgh as an example). He needs to get to a place where he can do what feels right to him and be a bit of a bastard without being eaten alive by guilt and shame.

book!Crowley is an optimist. show!Crowley is not (yet). He was once, and there's a sense that he wants to be but he can't bring himself to have hope. He has this profound love for creation and humans but he's been burned so many times that he can't even say it. He needs to get to a place where he can express that love without choking on it, and act on that love instead of running away.

I think the arc of this story ends at angels and demons as a whole breaking away from the Heaven/Hell system and realizing they have free will, they too are people, they too contain multitudes and have the ability to shape the course of their own eternities.

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This outfit is so gorgeous oh my days

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told myself i would wait for s3 to actually come out to start painting stuff but couldn't resist the temptation so here's a quickish thing

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Literal TEARS in my eyes rn

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IS THAT JESUS CHRIST OF NAZERETH??!?????

#roblox #jesus christ #goofy #good omens #this is the good omens fandom right now #every post i see thats like #is that jesus??#i just hear this audio

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Good Omens 2 Timeline Clues

Hi everyone,

Now seems like a good time to make this post even though my work on the Good Omens timeline remains incomplete. Some of you may have already seen this info because you follow me or check my posts in the tags.

To save a lot of you tagged time, the main key thing that feels worth saying is that Good Omens does have a very large solvable timeline puzzle. To solve it does require finding and playing the puzzles in the story's findable game, Earthly Objects. This game is actually in the book.

So, you can definitely skip the numerous details below if you want to just go forward from there, playing yourself as you see fit, or have lost interest anyway.

First, a bunch of links to centralize into this post:

Acting Titles The Baffling Moon Deck Book Forces Supplement Breadcrumbs Breadcrumbs Focus - Banking A Capital Plan Breadcrumbs Focus - Reason Season David Tennant During the Filming of Good Omens Season 2 Earthly Objects Good Omens 2 Filming Calendar Good Omens S2 More Transcripts The Sideburns Scheme (Fancy Edition) Threshold Tricks The Threshold Trick Touches

Posts from @kayleefansposts based on my recent material:

Reblog Discussion (Poetry in Motion) Baffling Moon Deck Initial Take More Language Play More Thoughts on Breadcrumbs Clues Reblog Discussion (Season 2 Timeline)

You can definitely wait on exploring those. I just put them there in case any of you want to bookmark this post. That way, you won't have to scroll much to find the list.

That said, if you want more details in the play, here we go...

The game changes as I play, but this is the place I am at as of making this post....

The overall story has two core timelines: Timeline A and Timeline B.

I am way, way better at the game in season 2 than in season 1 and the book, and enjoy it more, so I am limited in what I can offer for season 1 and the book.

Solving this puzzle requires, or will require, a lot of work, like so much work or some hardcore play, depending on how you look at it.

All the same, there are two core timelines: Timeline A and Timeline B.

In season 2, the present day storyline takes place between Saturday, October 7, 2023 and Friday, October 13, 2023.

That week was reset in both timelines.

Because it was reset, for that one week, there are FOUR timelines. They are A1, A2, B1, and B2.

To identify the timelines, the story offers "Embellished Shapes" in the form of card suits.

A1 = Spade A2 = Heart B1 = Diamond B2 = Club

Here is the most basic and easy visual example:

Diamond (B1)

Here is one the fandom has largely identified as a Heart (A2) but without specifying that it is also a timeline clue:

Every suited timeline has a visual clue of eliminating it as what you are watching. They have names and are called Diamond Disruption, Heart Hampering, Spade Stoppage, and Club Flubs.

The default and main timeline of season 2 seems to be B2, Club.

Now, my apologies if these things seem obvious but when I look at older studies on the timelines or even newer questions, it looks like other people did not pick up on this factor.

Season 2 present day is made to look as if it happens over the course of 5 days, starting from Monday in S2E1 and ending on Friday in S2E6. I don't think most people figure it out with a single viewing but by a few more viewings and at least a few notes, I think one could figure that much out.

It seems to go that Monday is S2E1 (Gabriel's arrival). Then Tuesday is S2E2 (Crowley looks exceptionally hot in a turtleneck). Then Wednesday is S2E3 (Aziraphale goes to Edinburgh, Crowley looks after the bookshop). Then, for S2E4, that is maybe Wednesday night, but if not, it is Thursday morning (Aziraphale returns from Edinburgh). Then the rest of Thursday is S2E5 (prep for the ball and the actual ball). Then S2E6 is late Thursday and finishes on Friday (Demon invasion of the bookshop, Crowley goes to Heaven, aftermath of these events).

That is the "face value" present day storyline, and it lacks a weekend, which is part of the problem (puzzle). You have to work at finding Saturday and Sunday.

On Sunday at midnight in B1 (unsure of B2), something happened, such as a Big Miracle to hide the Book of Life in the matchbox in Heaven. This event resulted in key events of Saturday being forgotten by everyone or mostly everyone. As such, variations of Saturday events played out again on Monday.

Because that happened, those events also have FOUR timelines but they are all in timeline B1 and B2. Maggie and Nina also have the same core outfit on these days (Saturday and Monday).

With the card suits that are already being used, we, the audience, are given a different tool to figure out the timeline. That tool is the Rainbow Connection, and that's why you need Earthly Objects to solve this puzzle.

Those colors go...

Saturday 1: Red Sunday 1: Orange Monday 1: Yellow Tuesday 1: Green Wednesday 1: Blue Thursday 1: Purple Friday 1: Rainbow Connection (orange?) Saturday 2: Purple Sunday 2: Blue Monday 2: Green Tuesday 2: Yellow Wednesday 2: Orange Thursday 2: Red Friday 2: Rainbow Connection (green?)

In my current studies, Saturday #1 (B1) is significantly different from the others. As in, Gabriel might have arrived clothed that day instead of naked. I am still working through that, but if correct, his arrival is almost certainly B1 (Monday, yellow), B2 (Saturday, purple) and B2 (Monday, green).

Maggie's nails were not yet painted white, but the story can lie to you so you have to solve other puzzles to grasp when that "white lie" is on or off.

S2E1 is not just Monday. S2E1 is Saturday, Sunday, and Monday. S2E6 shows us parts of Saturday and Sunday through the recordings in Heaven.

In season 2, there are 6 special puzzles called Threshold Tricks. I think these tricks happened twice, again in timeline B. That is something I hope to confirm for myself further later.

If I am correct in that thought process, then S2E3 and S2E4 show more of timeline A (not mostly, just more) since none of the touches for the Threshold Tricks happen in those episodes.

There is a findable deck of cards called the Baffling Moon Deck. To go over it here would be a lot, so you can read my posts about it if interested with this link: Baffling Moon Deck.

Otherwise, the main place I think most of you would be interested in is the Honor Roll, so I will at least share the more obvious main characters in that deck.

Maggie, Shax, Nina, and Furfur are Lookalikes.

Their card assignments are:

Maggie, Queen of Clubs Shax, King of Spades Nina, Ace of Diamonds Furfur, Jack of Hearts

The main characters are:

Crowley, King of Clubs Aziraphale, Ace of Spades Gabriel, Queen of Hearts Beelzebub, Jack of Diamonds

It does feel worth mentioning that the Metatron is the King of Diamonds.

There are hints that Maggie and Nina are specific to timeline B. I am unsure about Shax and Furfur, especially with whatever is happening in 1941.

Strongly tied in with this card deck is a collection of poems that I was able to decode. It is thanks to the works of so many of your posts that I was able to do such a thing because I certainly did not know that this was even possible until it happened. If you take the first letter of each poem, it will spell out the word, BREADCRUMBS.

Here is a link to a plain post of the poems: BREADCRUMBS.

There are exactly 666 words to help confirm for us that these were intentionally written and waiting to be found. Not only that, these poems were intentionally meant to be posted on Tumblr! The character count was 3,649 in my word processing software as I drafted it. When I copied and pasted it to Tumblr, then pasted it into a separate document to double-check myself, the character count changed to 3,637 characters. That is because of how Tumblr reformatted the ellipses in the poems. The "49" is relevant to that card deck linked above. The "37" is relevant to Muriel's rank.

I am still working on explaining the poems individually, more focused on the poems themselves, but a lot of them tie in with the Baffling Moon Deck. So, if you look at my posts about the cards, you'll see groups connected to the poems. The focused links I do have are for the first two poems, Banking A Capital Plan and Reason Season.

Something I hope to get into soon with my next poem post on "Energize Your Eyes," and that you need to know about for this puzzle, is the Book Forces.

A lot of you know that I made two transcripts for the show, one of what the official subtitles are and one based on my closest match to an actual transcript. You need both transcripts to decode the poems, and then in turn, solve the timeline puzzle.

There are specific hidden anagrams throughout all of the dialogue. These things can be logged and counted as clues. Among these are "Book of Life" and "Book of Lie".

The main Book Force we learn about in the face-value story of Good Omens 2 is the "Book of Life".

There is another Book Force, and that one is called the "Book of Lie".

There are certain rules that must be learned and then followed to figure out, well a lot of things, but I will try to focus on mainly three. The counts are determined by the transcript of what is actually said if and when that is different from what is actually subtitled. These findable anagram counts even out precisely with each other during the ball when Gabriel addresses a few humans and says, "Now, I, I am an assistant book seller, but these are not books. They're little pieces of food, and I am not selling them, I'm giving them away."

Their final counts go Book Lie at 228 and Book of Life at 208. I do have a supplemental document, Book Forces. You can use it if you wish, and I would advise focusing more on the highlights and the counts than my speculative notes, at least at first.

There are literally hundreds of clues about the Crowley rank thing. Like the Book Forces, there are certain rules that must be learned and followed. Once I learned them, there are 100 findable instances of Acting Supreme Archangel Crowley and 100 findable instances of Acting First-Order Archangel Crowley. We are given 200 so that we can actually say "hundreds of clues" for this piece in the very large puzzle. Here is a link if you want to use my lists: Acting Title Ranks.

I am not sure if this info is truly required for the timeline thing but since it came up in closer study of the first line in Breadcrumbs, that suggests it is or will be. Crowley was Lucifer. Aziraphale is Raphael. Crowley = Lucifer = Left. Aziraphale = Raphael = Right.

Satan is somehow an extended manifestation of Crowley. The clues suggest the Metatron is connected to Crowley's fall and this manifestation of Satan. I am still working through that so that is one of the more strongly "subject to change with further study" items.

Crowley's red streak of hair is relevant to this puzzle as well. I don't think he earned it (or it happened to him) until Sunday, midnight, B1 and perhaps, again, only in Timeline B.

@kayleefansposts has been following a lot of this info and has said, understandably, that she does not always understand where I am coming from. I am very grateful that she has also said that she has found things I have said eventually pay off. So, I hope if any of you are in that same place, things eventually clarify to something you find worthwhile. Kaylee has extensive work they have also been able to do with my info on the Breadcrumbs poems. She has a number of flipped playlists she has been posting about as of late. Here is the most recent one with links to the others: Musical Puzzles, Pt. 8.

We have had fun toying with the anagrams in the poetry (Example: Reason Season).

I was able to stitch together a lot of the scene with Maggie and Aziraphale in the record shop in S2E1. I cannot explain it all yet, so much to post, but still, you can see it here: Frankly. The "Frankly" is the scene's findable code name. That stitching was done before I knew of "A" and "B" as the timeline clues and markers, but the entire scene is supposed to be Timeline B nonetheless and still fit.

That is all. Thanks for your time. I hope you have fun if you decide to play further. I am happy to help or be helped.

@dunkthebiscuit in particular, since I saw you bring up the Coyote in a Discworld post, I think you might be interested to know that the Coyote and the Roadrunner are big references in the first of the Breadcrumbs poems (Banking A Capital Plan).

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Working on a full meta about this*, but I'm pretty much positive that Metatrash and Satan are the same person.

We never see them in the same place at the same time in the book, and the show goes to very great lengths to make sure that is still the case despite the other changes they made to the airfield scene.

The Bible says Satan can disguise himself as an "angel of light".

S2 very specifically shows us that intruders can infiltrate heaven by disguising themselves as angels and acting like they belong there.

And, as @metatronhateblog on Tumblr points out, there is a very weird, demon-miracle-y sound right as Metatrash glares at Crowley. And it’s not there on the soundtrack.

(*I think it's to do with timelines, i.e. Adam rewriting reality, and/or memory, but boy is it complicated to figure it out how it all might fit together.)

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