Ok, i think i have to make a long response to @miyamanga point by point:
“Nobody died or even noticed when he became one with the rukh.”
yeah, nobody died... yet, but he is still planning to sacrifice everybody’s lifes to keep moving forward to godhood.
“ he consciously wants to destroy it to free people in the long term. ”
NO! Aladdin and Alibaba want that, they want to destroy the sacred palace to free people from destiny, Sinbad wants to become the ultimate god to obtain a peace that he already obtained, remember, he also admited to do it for pure greed.
“ Solomon INADVERTENTLY killed everyone by unwittingly acting as David's proxy. ”
key word is INADVERTENTLY, he didn’t wanted to sacrifice anybody to obtain godhood, and the death of everyone in Alma Toran is Ill Illah and Al-Thamen’s fault, Solomon did nothing wrong.
“ And I do consider everyone who survived Il Illah's descent dead as their bodies/species and cultural heritage had to be wiped out. ”
That’s Ugo’s and Al-Thamen’s fault, you should have checked, before the descend of Ill Illah in Alma Toran, the species lived happily with their bodies and cultural heritage intact, after Ill Illah’s descent there were not enough rukh to maintain the species in Alma Toran, so they had to be EVACUATED, by that point Solomon already died SACRIFICING his own life to seal Al-Thamen and Ill Illah before they could make more damage, and Ugo was the one in charge now, and because the world that he discovered was too small to fit everyone, he had to transform every species in Alma Toran in humans to not leave anyone behind, also, i don’t think that their cultural heritage was destroyed either, the existance of diferent countries like Sasan, Immuchack, Artemyra, Parthevia, Reim, Helyohapt, etc, is evidence of that.
“ I get the sense that you think I'm trying to argue that Solomon is worse than Sinbad. I am not. ”
I know, the problem is that you argue that Solomon and Sinbad are equal, that is not true.
“ That's why he's essentially doing what Ugo and Solomon did to Alma Torran (destroying an old world to create a new world with improved conditions) with intent. ”
but that’s not what Ugo and Solomon did, the ones responsible for the destruction of Alma Toran are Al-Thamen (and Arba), Solomon sacrified himself to defeat Al-Thamen and Ugo evacuated the surviving individuals to a new world.
“ IMO the moral implications are the same. ”
No, they aren’t, let’s go back to the tales of symphonia comparison, both Lloyd and Mithos wanted the same and both changed the world to archieve it, well then, Why is Lloyd the good guy in the story instead of Mithos? if both did the same, therefore they are morally equal, right? the fact that both Sinbad and Solomon did the same doesn’t put them in equal morality, Solomon didn’t killed anyone and gave people the power over their destiny, while Sinbad is taking away that power and is willing to kill everybody else to “surpass every other god who is above him”
“ Ultimately neither Solomon nor Sinbad want to harm the world. ”
Yeah... the whole “let’s return to the rukh” is something that is not happening right?
“ They've simply taken different paths. Sinbad's way is more horrific because he knows what doing what he did means and accepts it. Unless there's something I missed in the AT Arc, Solomon was the kind of person who couldn't bear doing what he did if he knew what would ultimately happen. ”
yeah, that proves even further my point, they both did the same, but Sinbad is willing to kill people, and Solomon isn’t, they are not equally moral.
“ Nevertheless, destrying Alma Torran was his predetermined fate. ”
No, his will was to brough peace to Alma Toran, Al-Thamen were the ones responsible to destroy Alma-Toran, in fact, Al-Thamen is the responsible from everything wrong in the world of Solomon, the destruction of the first Sindria kingdom? Al-Thamen’s fault, the destruction of the kingdom of Musta’sim? Al-Thamen’s fault, the poverty and starvation of Balbadd? Al-Thamen’s fault, the destruction of Magnostad’t and almost destruction of the world? Al-Thamen’s fault, the corruption of Judar? Al-Thamen’s fault, even Morgiana being a slave is Al-Thamen’s fault, if you put atention, you might realize that was Al-Thamen the ones responsible for corrupting Jamil and making him the asshole that he was, he would easily be a guy that fight against slavery and possibly helped Morgiana if were not by Al-Thamen’s intervention just like the alternate universes scene show us, Sinbad blame Solomon for everything bad that happens when Al-Thamen is the only responsible for it, because, and yes i’m going to say it, people in depravity are DANGEROUS! black rukh is DANGEROUS, Al-Thamen is DANGEROUS, not following Solomon’s will is DANGEROUS, not only for you, but also for other people. Solomon’s will is peace, aceptance, tolerance and to keep moving forward, what do you expect to happen if you don’t follow that will? do i have to remind you to Cassim? Dunya? Mogamett? (who almost destroyed the world) Judar? oh and let’s not forget Hakuryuu, Solomon didn’t abandoned them, they abandoned Solomon, wich resulted in really unfortunate situations. is black rukh inherently evil? well, yeah... maybe... uhm... YES IT IS! just as i said in my response to @chyemmi, in wich i made a comparison between falling into depravity and turning into a heartless (wich i’m still waiting for the response, but i’m not rushing you) black rukh is harder to control, but those who fall into depravity and return to the white rukh become stronger and more inmune to corruption, but the only known to break free from depravity is Hakuryuu, the rest were a danger for everybody else, the only thing that bother me in the actual arc is that Aladdin want to combine white rukh and black rukh together, yeah, let’s also mix heaven and hell together, that would never cause any problem, right? the separation between black rukh and white rukh exist for a reason, it doesn’t matter how tragic you make Falan, i still don’t want her to have a happy ending, neither Arba, or Ithnan, or anyone from Al-Thamen, they are assholes responsibles for the death and unhappiness of many people and deserve no sympathy, if they had some sort of morality, like, if they didn’t wanted to do those things but they knew they have to, instead of the whole “MY FATHEEEEER” thing and they were always conflicted about hurting others then i would actually care for them, but no, they are the bad ones, just like anyone who opose the will of Solomon, he didn’t wanted to become a king or a god, but it were his magis the ones who distorted his teachings, Sheba made him a king and put him above everyone else, you know, when he fought for equality, Ugo made him a god and started to control the destiny of people using Solomon’s white rukh, you know, when that was what he fought against, and Arba created depravity, the thing that brings misery and pain in the world of Solomon, you know, when he stated that he trusted her the most, Solomon did nothing wrong.
and i think i have to disrespectfully agree with you in this, my intention is not to fight or to disrespect you in any manner, if you feel offended in any way (somebody offended in tumblr, what a surprise!) you can call me out as much as you want, heck, you can even insult me if that makes you feel better, mirrorxiii, i’m not a coward anon, and believe me, this is not the only point you make that i don’t agree with, i would make long post to debate them but, here is the thing, i’m tired, and i’m not really interested in it.
(sigh) You see, i love Magi: the labyrinth of magic, even if the actual arc is somewhat weak i still enjoy it, you know why, because it inspired me and keep inspiring me, i’ll never hate magi because it inspired me, one of the stories i’m making started as an AU from magi, in wich Morgiana is the protagonist, she is saved by another fanalis and she travel the world meeting the other characters to fight Al-Thamen, the whole dark continent is retconed and she discover that the fanalis who saved her wants to destroy rukh, not only white rukh, but rukh in general and he is a creature devoid of rukh, even stronger that the average fanalis, incapable to have emotions, yet he is still atracted to Morgiana and want to protect her, even if he is the main antagonist. it also involves an alternate modern world, Solomon being more like Sinbad, and capable to control both black and white rukh, thing that Al thamen don’t know (because i really wanted to see their reaction when they realize that their god is dead and everything they did was in vain) and creatures born from darkness, that are less black djiins and more like heartless, and... i think you get it, the more i started to develop the AU, the more i deviated it from the main source, and i started to make my own original thing, i changed names, i changed escenarios, i removed characters, i added characters, i changed the rules of the world and at the end i changed the overall story, to the point that it become my own original idea, and it started as an AU of a manga with really interesting ideas, because you like it or not, Magi have interesting ideas, even the god stuff is interesting, yes, the manga is not perfect, nothing is, but what i do when i find something i’m not convinced in a franchise i follow? the answer is, before i criticise the author i ask, how i would write it instead? how would i fix it? what if i’m wrong in this one? is this problem really bad? would it work in another escenario? Because i see many people bashing Othaka like if she had created family guy instead, and i don’t think this is fair, i won’t say be a fanboy and never criticise, but instead, before criticising question yourself, what if i’m wrong? and, i’m being too harsh in this criticism? do the author deserve it to the point of insulting him/her/they (and other kind of pronouns because if not Tumblr will never leave me in peace) personally?
and not only with magi, there are other franchises that also inspired me, good franchices like Kingdom hearts, tales of (especifically Symphonia, the only one i played, i want to play other tales of though), devil may cry, final fantasy, etc. and bad ones like Gate, and Gate... and... Gate, yeah, Gate is a really flawed manga, even more than magi, but it still inspired me by tickling my desire to find ways to fix it. I even like to make crossovers AU like my (not so) famous Kingdom Magi AU that combines kingdom hearts and Magi: the labyrinth of magic, you can check it here: https://mirrorxiii.tumblr.com/post/159027813829/kingdom-magi-au tell me what you think about it and if you want, contribute to it, are you convinced in how i made the AU? what would you change? what would you keep? what would you remove?
but i digress, well i think that i made my point clear, i’ll be working in my Tales of the labyrinth/tales of magoia AU, (tales of and magi crossover) so, thank for listening to me and i hope we are still fine after this, see ya!
PS: i don’t know if is a me thing but i find the ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ icon really arrogant, it gives a “nice opinion, i don’t care” vibe to me (the perfect icon for Sinbad), i’m going to be nice and assume that is not what you intended, but seriously, watch out for that.
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