The bottom line is, the discord drama should not be relevant to people just hanging out in Tumblr. However, because people blew it up so much more than was necessary, Red and Flynn had to focus on expanding the mod team, rebuilding the server, and just recovering from being mobbed that it inevitably affected the production of season 2 and it will come later than expected, affecting every fan- all thanks to a group of people with some weird parasocial beef with Red.
Parasocial is "involving or relating to a connection between a person and someone they do not know personally", so I'm assuming 'parasocial beef' would be insisting that someone, or maybe, a group of people, have beef with you, when in reality they barely know you or talk about you in the slightest. Maybe you'd try to call them a 'clique', perhaps?
Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Anyway, what was I saying?
To Red, Beloved Nevermore Writer, in regardant to her "Harmless" Name-dropping
Encroach no further if, 1. you're not interested in the nevermore drama, and 2. if you'd rather not get frustrated over something deemed biased on the situation.
Secret 3rd, if you're @gothwineaunts, please take a read with consideration and salt for flavor (:
Red, I tarnished this freshie weshi account just for this because, 1. you had the absolute time blocking everyone who wasnt on your side for the crimson matter and anyone else for elsewhat reasons in the who knows matters, and 2. who knew a dear friend of mine and many just so happened to be affected in your blatant, and stubborn, display of childrens' names. Because, believe or not, nicknames and usernames, are names that still refer to people in real life, where other real life people could happen to know them by. And should they, those children would be in danger.
Not only so, it's so because YOU, my dear ol pal, are SUCH a hot topic, both in the ways of being the famous co-creator of Nevermore(what a hit, love the artwork), and the infamous child-lover keeper in your discord server. The red-tempered "adult authority" who claimed the children had "egged" on Crimson. Jesus. So of COURSE people would flock to your word. You raised the danger.
Anyhow, YES, I would really, really love to know when and if you ever decide namedropping "clique 1" was a bit, say farfetched. And perhaps, just a squinchy bit, careless of you to have uncensored names in your screenshots. Doesn't matter that you are the owner of your server, or the big bad Red Dean, or the bad cop in investigations with children that were ONLY suspected of such-- oh nooo-- heinous acts of unknowingly posting Patreon contact onto more of the internet! Found by-- oh gooshh-- PINTEREST!?? WHILE THEY HAVE NO "RIGHT" TO ARGUE THEIR SIDE!???(kiinda reminds me how the new policy for your server is just "we ban you, and -- no no, you don't get to know why". Smells of like American tax system)
It's just-- how unjust, from a middle aged adult. Oh, how I woe. Must be why you and your crew think the adults in the crimson situations were such and much at fault for the children's dangers. And dare the adults apologize for things they had not done! Reminds me of a certain... Bunny situation, Red. Hypocritical, must say, no? As if you hadn't happened to have participated in your own right? Yes?
You set the setting, they had not. I still can't see why the shall be unnamed had to apologize for that.
Anywho-- Receipts, receipts!
The orange is I, the blackened censored is my dear friend. Although taken in light, the situation is beyond such frivolous significance.
Now, to clarify, Red had the convo's, had the screenshots. But i guess they were "unreliable" and thusly ignored when brought up, because those nsfw pics were just all too blurry to confirm! Oh, and so were the names of the innocent. Especially from the literal victims speaking out, as you had asked. Too bad they were banned.
Censored out of respect of human decency and online etiquette.
Oh boy, Red, ain't veerry cash money to be dunking on kids who simply ever talked bad about you behind your back(to which is free speech and non of your concern, but i suppose modern policy doesn't remedy the past), despite, y'know, you pretty much doing the same in patreon. And why you look at that, ain't the only place with spies, innit?
trusted indeed. Kids are soo in a safe place. Your current server reworking is, let me just say, not exactly safe. Who in their right mind thinks "oh, gatekeeping information of someone's ban when they ask why, and any other person's ban when seeking for a chance to appeal(which you CANT now), is strictly prohibited. Namedropping's fine, but also, R&F are no longer into doing their server owner duties and have let a bunch of patreon members become new moderators with no training, and no pre-qualification. was a literal roulette of "ooh-ooh, me me!!👋👋""
hm
Now, i'mma be cryptic and not reveal my spectacular identity, but the pink censored is pretty darn chill and a lovely company to be around. But also, much more of an actual person than what red headcannons this person to be. Cmon now.
pink person is the same person as the pics above, btw. Just saying, pink person was a trusted adult who was asked by one of the victims to reach out. My sources can be sourced by sources, wuzzahhhh.
Fr tho, check out athena's post, she's cool with it. :sunglasses
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hot pink fellow is the same pink fella, btw
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Ohh yeah, daily's post talks about the red cop investigations i've mentioned. Won't show it here since you can get just about everything there already. And also, because I've jammed to much into this to be able to bother with more images.
on an end note: Red, your apology was straight deflection. Where was the "sorry for making a decision I should've announced to lessen the hard concrete i was dropping that bomb shell onto," or the "i am sorry children for assuming you'd just reach out to me instead of treating and respecting that you are unwilling victims, as well as children." I'm being a lil-lil bit sarcastic. Nonetheless, all we got was the past brought up and how a bunch of little kids were able to concisely move a chair in the past to get crimson unbanned from your server and cause this alllll to happen. huh, red. That's actually crazy, so sorry that happened to you.
Anyway, here's red's post abt it. (this is also where she decided to namedrop the kids)
Done rantin', keep safe ya'll. This account is OUT🫡
I'm aware this is severely late but I'd personally like to clear up any misinformation regarding the Nevercord server and my personal experience with Crimson.
This is only to share my side of this since everything has died down, if you don't believe me or don't want to get involved that's fine.
I was the person Red named Alice in her tumblr post, my name is Athena and I was friends with Crimson before all of this and I was unaware of her exact age when we became friends but even then it wouldn't have mattered because it was a discord server of course I was going to make friends with people who were older than me.
As for how everything happened with the group chat "women lovers", I'd like to say that the way I worded it was of course weird but I never meant for there to be nsfw shared or actively talked about in the group.
However I wasn't aware that adults were joining regardless of this fact, and when everything was initially sent from Crimson I didn't know she was 19, and because she was my friend I also didn't kick her from the group chat for that which was a bad move on my part looking back on it.
However absolutely no one "egged on" Crimson or baited her into saying/sending those things, that is disgusting to suggest that someone asked for that but now onto the list of things Crimson has done that I experienced.
(possible warnings for 18+ if needed)
I'd like to mention that this is NOT an isolated incident either, when everything was being initially uncovered and talked about there were quite a few people I both did and did not know who mentioned they had not so great experiences with Crimson, that is their story to tell though.
1. when the group was made and it was only me, Crimson, and another person, patron art had been sent but deleted shortly after when the sender realized that Crimson wasn't a patron and had quickly apologized but she tried peer pressuring them into sending more art even after they said they weren't going to.
2. Crimson sent a screenshot of a smvt fic she was writing in the group chat unspoilered without any warnings at all and just said "I'm so unserious" (Screenshot below, censored the image because I don't feel comfortable putting it in a public post)
3. they sent an nsfw ai chat they had about Lenore and Annabel that was graphic and was again not spoilered or censored and gave little to no warning and laughed it off when one of the people(12y/o) in the gc was weirded out by it.
4. she's also made random inappropriate comments as a whole both in and out of the gc, I can't go back to get screenshots because I deleted the group right after Crimson got banned because I didn't want to be associated with it any more and I thought everything was over with.
When everything was sent to Red she said only Laci reported it to her so it was "suspicious", that was because I trusted Laci and I was scared of speaking out myself since I didn't have any connections with the mods so they made me nervous, so I sent Laci everything I had and let her bring it to rnf's attention.
Red asked if her, Flynn, or the mods could reach out to me and I said no because I was again scared. Laci also offered to send everything uncensored but originally censored everything to keep anonymity of the victims including myself, only telling Red that I was one of them by name after she got my permission.
Again, I'm sorry this is late but Red has been blocking people which hides their reposts from her original post so I was hesitant about speaking up in the first place.
Okay, hi I’m gonna be honest I’ve been pretty nervous to speak out on this whole situation, and I know this is EXTREMELY late, but here it goes. Hi I’m part of “cliche #1” my name is Ashlyn haven’t gone by Nico even before I got banned but red didn’t seem to get that memo. Im not really good with words but I wanted to say that reds actions here are ridiculous. I have not been involved with the nevermore fandom since my banning and wasn’t even involved in the events that led to me my friends (not cliches banning) you can search my user in the sever and will see the only place I really talked was west common room but I digress.
I just want to talk about the “cliche” allegations a cliche is defined as follows: “a narrow exclusive circle or group of persons. especially : one held together by common interests, views, or purposes.” (Fact check it if you really wanna here where I got my definition https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clique#:~:text=%3A%20a%20narrow%20exclusive%20circle%20or,cliquey)
Firstly our friend group was in no way narrow that’s actually laughable, it was a constant growing friend group and at the start (speaking from my prospective) there was THREE of us which then grew when people got to know people and came together. This was in no way a “narrow” group it was a lot of small groups coming together to form one big group bc and I hate to break this to you thats how you make friends. We also all liked the same things like nevermore, games and shows. It’s funny to me that you think we were so high string on “shit talking” when in reality I’m out here competing with Bugs over if greta and Winifred is gonna go from rags to riches in Nat’s sims Sunday. (Unfortunately Winifred (bugs) won and greata became a saint of orphans condolences are welcome in the comments thank you 😔😔😔).
In reds own words, you still with me?. Next to point our the exclusive part of the definition. We were never exclusive? You could easily join from jinx’s profile and many people did. Hell even red herself could have joined, I’m sorry if Jakob from Louisiana scared you off but that in no ways reflects upon us in the slightest and the group was always happy to talk to new people. (I’m saying this as someone who joined in December of 2023 which honestly fells like it wasn’t that long ago but it really was).
Also to address the whole organised crimson thing, did you hit your head before writing that? Like that part has me still baffled and in the words of my friend Nat “scratching my head like a monkey”. Do you honestly think the people who would yell over frantic fanfic at each other, who have time zones ranging from 4-8+ hours appart is gonna be able to organised something like this? (speaking from my perspective keep in note I am the only European in the friend group so my time zones are VERY different) like girl this ain’t the United Nations this is discord calm down.
Anyways I leave you all with this question to ask yourself if red preaches to the heavens that minors should be protected and that’s she’s sorry to the victims of the crimson situation (of which got a minuscule paragraph compared to the two “cliches” which is quite frankly disheartening) then why is she dragged a group of MAINLY (didnt say all) minors into this “explanation” when they had nothing to do with crimson? Quite frankly she just looks like she’s trying to get sympathy. That’s all thank you for reading my side.
P.s red please get my name right it’s always alice and Nico never Athena and ashlyn😔
P.s.s jinx pointed out to me that people might think I’m spelling clique the wrong way I remind you I am European and use BRITISH English!
If you wanna know more about this topic go look at my friends posts thanks!
Ive been trying to read all the nevermore drama and oh boy some how this all revolves around shipping discourse ;-; how did we get here ngl “clique 1” seems like they just were like “do we have to ship prospero guys?” “Cant we have one romance repulsed aro without ‘aros are a spectrum’ being shoved in our faces?” And ive felt the same I’ve seen no actual evidence of them harassing anyone and more of red harassing teenagers its just so crazy with everything going on
I absolutely appreciate this, I agree wholeheartedly and it's what I've been trying to explain from the beginning. It's beyond frustrating.
Regardless of anyone's opinion on the discourse itself, I really don't think what I said wasn't anything to be ashamed of, which is why I posted it all. It's certainly not grounds to be banned, or considered part of a harassing 'clique'. On top of that, I keep having my name dragged, username and all. There was no reason to bring me into this.
To everyone who wasn't involved looking for context, I encourage you to read Red's post and look at the screenshots on my blog of what I actually said, and decide for yourself.
Now, this last conversation does take place in a patron only channel of the Nevermore Discord, and as such I only have access to the few screenshots I could collect, not the full thing. I'm only including it because this is important to my ban, and this is where things went south very quickly. I noticed Red saying strange and vague things toward my friends and I, and this wasn't the first time, so I got confused and decided to ask for more context. I had no idea what she was talking about. This was directly after and related to conversation two. After that, I was banned the next day.
And that's it. I know the formatting is a bit confusing, but it's important to me that my name is cleared. Thanks again.
Now, onto the screenshots. I'll be censoring these for privacy of the people involved other than Red and Flynn, the mods, and myself. As far as I know, this contains all I said regarding any drama or discourse. This is what I was banned for, along with simple association. They take place in three groups, in three different conversations. I've highlighted all my messages if you like to skim rather than read.
Hello, I'm Jasper, or rivsticks on discord, as named in Red's post.
I want to start this out by saying, I'm going to take this as an opportunity to explain my side of the story, which I was never given a chance to previously. My goal is to show you the offenses I was banned for, and explain as accurately and honestly as possible, so I'm going to be posting all the related screenshots in which I spoke for the sake of clarity and context. For that reason, since I'm on mobile, I'll be posting screenshots in subsequent posts. All I ask is that you keep an open mind and take this at face value.
Yes, I participated in fandom discourse regarding Prospero and his sexuality. This topic is something important to me as an aroace person uninterested in romance, as representation for us is few and far between, but I never meant for it to become any more than just that- impersonal fandom discourse. Yes, I involved myself in the conversation about proshipping and it's definition, but that was to ask for clarification about one of Red's messages and briefly add my opinion. I'll admit, I probably could have handled that a bit better, but I don't think it's grounds for this reaction. There was no secret clique, or any premeditated attacking of anyone at any time, notice how there wasn't a single screenshot to corroborate their claim of shit-talking. They came to that conclusion on pure assumption only, and have taken it as fact since with no chance of defense or counter. It's bad faith. Again, I want to reiterate that we were a loose group of friends, not a 'clique', and it's not fair at all to take what another member of that server said and let it reflect on me under the guise of, 'but they were a group'. Nobody should take responsibility for anything I said, and I will not take responsibility for anything anyone else said. I am my own person, able to think for myself, not part of a single entity like how I am consistently grouped. I find it troubling that that is the narrative that was spread without any chance for me to truly defend myself. I have been name dropped multiple times as if this were the case, and I will be honest, it's a little frustrating. They said they pride themselves on taking all sides into consideration, but as far as I know not a single person named in the ban was dmed for any sort of clarification.
Now that I've said my peace with that situation, I'd like to touch very briefly on the Crimson situation. I feel that if it's so intertwined with me that you have to drop my name in a post about it, I should add my two cents. I think it's childish to bring my and my friend's ban up again months after it happened, to try and justify letting Crimson back into the server. Ignoring evidence like this against someone, just because it came forward from an individual Red deemed untrustworthy (with little to no proof, I may add) when you could have easily asked for more context or uncensored screenshots, is irresponsible. That's all I have to say.
Thank you for reading. I'll be posting the screenshots soon, they're giving me some trouble.
