[neyoen]

LNG vs T1, they did this to fuck me specifically, there's just no fucking way, I'm offing myself see ya

[neyoen]

man i'm so sad i didn't end up buying tickets for Montpellier to go with my brother, the whole weekend is being soooo good and we've never gone to any offline League event yet it would have been such a good first experience :'C

[neyoen]

i love the silly lec overlay crab i don't know who thought yeah let's put a crab why not but they were a genius and probably had a tumblr too

[dromaeo-sauridae]

having mutuals who are all also mutuals of each other is like living in a fucking hive mind. heres a post, heres that post again, heres that post again, heres that post again, heres that post again

[parasitoidism]

being a fan of something with like 30 total fans on tumblr is funny bc you get like 12 notes on a post and you're like wow the gang's all here

[horrorgay]

ok so. who has been on here (tumblr) for an entire decade of their life?

10 years +

7-9 years

4-6 years

1-3 years

less than a year

less than a month

Voting ended onAug 27, 2023

[horrorgay]

So this is a visual representation of “are the new users you’re changing the entire app and website layout/features for in the room with us right now”.

[leagueoflasagnas]

[neyoen]

(Summarizing what was said about this on Esportmaniacos better now again 'cause yesterday I was sick and I got it a bit too half-assed)

There was this running rumor that a LEC team was looking to merge in some way with a team in LVP, although the specifics weren't known.

Around June 23th, leaks came out about talks between Mad Lions and Movistar Riders (LVP Spring Split winners), that may have started as early as February.

Even if the information around it was unclear for a few weeks, the rumor got around and seemed very feasible. That was until around July 1st, when talks were said to have cooled off.

That was the situation until yesterday's leak. Now the teams involved seem to be Mad Lions and Bisons (LVP top 1# team right now which, as I said yesterday, faced very serious financial problems for a great part of the Split).

It's important to showcase here that there's been this longtime running rumor that there was a possibility that Mad Lions wouldn't be in LEC in 2024 and, at the same time, that Mad Lions wanted, in some way, to return to Superliga, so these teams looking for a merger for their financial security is kind of a reasonable option. It may also be a safer choice for Mad Lions to return with a merger than doing it on their own.

All said, the state of the negotiations between the teams is obviously secret, so it's all still in the air.

[fireworksllyn]

but isn’t this just for a return to superliga? mergers are common for these kinds of things - and if you remember, mad madrid last year said they were leaving (after demoting to SL 2)

[neyoen]

(tagging @hexburn too cause I saw them scared in the tags sorry) yes sorry I see I didn't explain myself well enough:

THIS DOESN'T MEAN MAD WON'T BE IN LEC 2024

that was just a rumour that needed to be taken into account, IT IS NOT KNOWN WHETHER THAT WILL HAPPEN OR NOT

what's certain seeing the leaks is that (1) MAD wants to return to Superliga and (2) they would probably be doing so with that merger, both to establish an academy team and to be able to keep their LEC team for 2024

[leagueoflasagnas]

[neyoen]

(Summarizing what was said about this on Esportmaniacos better now again 'cause yesterday I was sick and I got it a bit too half-assed)

There was this running rumor that a LEC team was looking to merge in some way with a team in LVP, although the specifics weren't known.

Around June 23th, leaks came out about talks between Mad Lions and Movistar Riders (LVP Spring Split winners), that may have started as early as February.

Even if the information around it was unclear for a few weeks, the rumor got around and seemed very feasible. That was until around July 1st, when talks were said to have cooled off.

That was the situation until yesterday's leak. Now the teams involved seem to be Mad Lions and Bisons (LVP top 1# team right now which, as I said yesterday, faced very serious financial problems for a great part of the Split).

It's important to showcase here that there's been this longtime running rumor that there was a possibility that Mad Lions wouldn't be in LEC in 2024 and, at the same time, that Mad Lions wanted, in some way, to return to Superliga, so these teams looking for a merger for their financial security is kind of a reasonable option. It may also be a safer choice for Mad Lions to return with a merger than doing it on their own.

All said, the state of the negotiations between the teams is obviously secret, so it's all still in the air.

[neyoen]

THEY'RE BUFFING MY DAUGHTER

[neyoen]

my champion pool is like the straight from jojo's buff guy, edgy sword guy (not that one, his brother), lamp guy, giant void monster, sword demon guy, and then there's Gwen :)

[neyoen]

the upcoming ERL changes are just making me realize how isolated LVP is from the rest of EUW because why am I reading just now that y'all don't like the new LEC format????

Now seriously I would like to hear some opinions because I feel like I've lived in a parallel bubble until now

[lys-jeorge]

For me there are 2 main things I don't like.

First being that the splits are so short for the bottom teams that I feel like it's probably hurting development, they have so few scrims days during a split and I like seeing teams develop and change over multiple weeks and that's just gone now.

Secondly it feels very inconsequential to win a split, having the finals be an out of studio event would probably help a bit but I think it is a format issue more than just where it's played, nothing about how winter or spring went make me feel like I know that G2 or MAD were the best team then, it feels like everyone fell over and they just happened to land in the lucky spot.

For summer it's probably less bad because the teams have had time between splits and there is something of an established hierarchy based on the volume of games from the 3 splits combined. Winter especially felt like a rushed meaningless mess and just seemed to stress everyone out and that time would usually have been used for teams to learn how to work together, and I feel like having lost that is really showing in how bad the play has been the whole time since.

[neyoen]

I feel like that first point is exactly what's best of this format, it's meant to be more punishing. If a team falls to bottom two and is left out, they're meant to use all that free time training more and looking for ways to not repeat that result next split, and it's obvious with the ERL changes that it's meant for both to be synched and for ERL and LEC players to switch constantly depending on performance, like how usually happens in LCK, until a good combination it's found, no need to be dragged out for what the old splits used to last.

I think it's just more ruthless than what we're used to.

As for the finals, yeah, LEC better look for any other place than the studio if they want to make it a bit grand, doesn't feel much different from a regular game :/But for me it's more of an organization and overall spectacle thing, in terms of competition I feel like I've seen more different playstyles and ways to compete from teams than in any other year.

However is quick to learn and adapt, however knows to play for their strengths in that specific meta they're given will advance phases and maybe win, and however doesn't is left to figure it out in scrims.

[hexburn]

on this topic again, i think on the first point, it comes down to personal preference. if you like pure competition and are more of a team fan, i think you'll like the current format better - it's high-stakes for teams and intensely competitive. if you prefer storylines and are more of a player fan, i think you won't like this format much at all - players are too busy to stream or interact much, and there's little to no time for storylines to develop.

i think of 2023 spring flyquest as a good example for the storyline point: they went 8-1 in the first round robin, then proceeded to massively fall off. if lcs had been using the lec format, you probably would've heard storylines of them being chokers, but because lcs kept the old format, the storylines focused on them struggling to adapt to meta changes, the team strategy being figured out, and individual skill finally getting them back up to finish in 3rd place. because i prefer storylines, i prefer the more drawn-out format where i can experience a longer, more detailed and intricate story.

to the second point, in terms of competition i get the same vibe as lys does. looking at how the standings are so up-and-down is exciting for those whose teams are on the come-up, but it also gives the impression that all the teams are basically equal. bds nearly won spring, but ended 5th in winter and summer regular season. vitality ended 3rd in spring but didnt even make it to groups this split, with the same roster. i could go on and on about how the standings are just sheer chaos this year.

to me, a good competition format should clearly show what teams are good, what teams are mid, and what teams are bad. the fact that everything is so chaotic is certainly more exciting, but it doesn't seem like a good competitive format to me.

also, i think the variety of playstyle is actually bad especially if people want to see more international competitiveness. players aren't necessarily learning to be fundamentally good at the game, they're learning to cheese (see: adam doing bonkers-ass TPs). i enjoy that variety! i love watching chaos! but i think that when a whole split is chaos, its too much.

i don't have enough time or energy to keep up with a split when every moment of every game is high-stakes... sometimes i just wanna put a show on the TV and pisschill with some knitting.

but i think that this format is riot's way of trying to make the lec and erls more exciting to attract more viewers. i haven't looked at the numbers, but i'm guessing most leagues are down in viewers due to the return to pre-pandemic work conditions, general audience shift to valorant, and a slight economic downturn.

if riot are really set on putting this format to erls, i'd guess they're seeing the results they want in the viewership numbers?

[neyoen]

[gonna answer both posts in this one cause i dont wanna flood the dash too much, i've ranted enough already sksk]

I don't think Riot wants to kill all ERLs, but it's obvious that changes like the salary cap are meant to ensure the financial sustainability of the leagues because right now, with their current spending, many of them aren't. I just wanted to know if that narrative existed outside of LVP, I see it doesn't.

On the storylines…but those are storylines too tho? They're just build different, I don't think a team's struggle is less meaningful because it feels rushed or the Split is shorter. Fnatic's struggle during winter split was as heartbreaking to me as T1's now (and Flyquest's 0-6 first weeks…WOW D:), and the difference in Splits only change the time and windows of opportunity they have to tackle it. The change and growth is still there, it's just happens between Splits.

On competition and the standings, I understand your views but that's to me the best part of this change. I don't know how the teams being equal and chaotic is a bad thing, I remember when I couldn't care less about teams like idk Astralis or BDS or XL cause they were always low-tier with overall far worse perfomances than the rest.

Why would I watch a team that I know it's bad because they're always place 8th-10th? Where's the potential? Why would long time viewers care about LEC to only watch the same three or four teams be on top? I like underdogs and upsets, I like stories about teams that win one moment and fall into chaos the next because that's how competition goes and they fell into complacency, I like seeing the teams that struggled for two consecutive Splits suddenly reach 2nd and 3rd because they worked for it. It's not only about high stakes, it's about expectations.

If anything, this format has shown that when forced to work at the same rhythm, none of the teams are that far from each other in ability and understanding of the meta and team-building and everything that comes into being a good team.

[hexburn]

re: storylines, i guess what i mean is that i do feel like team struggles are less meaningful because teams will just rebuild their rosters between splits, it feels like starting over to me. i don't feel like fnatic overcame any struggle, they just rerolled and rerolled until they happened to get something that worked. i also know im extremely player-focused, i don't really have any interest in teams, so maybe that's why i find these stories less compelling, it might not be common for the english-speaking scene.

but i also see what you mean, that storylines are still present, just very different - it's like watching a 2hour movie vs a 10-episode tv series, so it's just personal preference.

re: competitiveness i totally agree that this format is more exciting and the relative equality of the teams makes every match more interesting! i think its been understood for the past two years or so that teams are pretty even and there are many lec-tier players, as seen by players moving from erls to lec teams between splits and back again. when bds was winning i loved watching them, im a bds fan for their players, i love watching crownie succeed 🥺 iirc though, lec marketed this format as "we want to make sure we're sending the best lec teams to worlds" so thats why i feel the chaos isn't good, i dont think it accomplishes that. i feel like i cant even tell who the best lec teams are right now with how they're all so up and down, but maybe that will change with the gauntlet (i am really really happy they brought back the gauntlet, i loved that in 2018). maybe my opinion on it will change after the gauntlet 😄

i enjoyed hearig your thoughts though - it seems the spanish-speaking scene is very different from the english-speaking scene!

[neyoen]

you're right maybe i'm just too much of a team-oriented fan too, i gues it all comes down to that

and if we're sending our best teams...maybe i'm too much of a LCK fangirl now and i have just resignated myself to seeing lec teams being...kinda mid 🥲

thank you for writing to me too! it's nice to see outside of the bubble, we're indeed very isolated here 😅

[neyoen]

the upcoming ERL changes are just making me realize how isolated LVP is from the rest of EUW because why am I reading just now that y'all don't like the new LEC format????

Now seriously I would like to hear some opinions because I feel like I've lived in a parallel bubble until now

[lys-jeorge]

For me there are 2 main things I don't like.

First being that the splits are so short for the bottom teams that I feel like it's probably hurting development, they have so few scrims days during a split and I like seeing teams develop and change over multiple weeks and that's just gone now.

Secondly it feels very inconsequential to win a split, having the finals be an out of studio event would probably help a bit but I think it is a format issue more than just where it's played, nothing about how winter or spring went make me feel like I know that G2 or MAD were the best team then, it feels like everyone fell over and they just happened to land in the lucky spot.

For summer it's probably less bad because the teams have had time between splits and there is something of an established hierarchy based on the volume of games from the 3 splits combined. Winter especially felt like a rushed meaningless mess and just seemed to stress everyone out and that time would usually have been used for teams to learn how to work together, and I feel like having lost that is really showing in how bad the play has been the whole time since.

[neyoen]

I feel like that first point is exactly what's best of this format, it's meant to be more punishing. If a team falls to bottom two and is left out, they're meant to use all that free time training more and looking for ways to not repeat that result next split, and it's obvious with the ERL changes that it's meant for both to be synched and for ERL and LEC players to switch constantly depending on performance, like how usually happens in LCK, until a good combination it's found, no need to be dragged out for what the old splits used to last.

I think it's just more ruthless than what we're used to.

As for the finals, yeah, LEC better look for any other place than the studio if they want to make it a bit grand, doesn't feel much different from a regular game :/But for me it's more of an organization and overall spectacle thing, in terms of competition I feel like I've seen more different playstyles and ways to compete from teams than in any other year.

However is quick to learn and adapt, however knows to play for their strengths in that specific meta they're given will advance phases and maybe win, and however doesn't is left to figure it out in scrims.

[hexburn]

on this topic again, i think on the first point, it comes down to personal preference. if you like pure competition and are more of a team fan, i think you'll like the current format better - it's high-stakes for teams and intensely competitive. if you prefer storylines and are more of a player fan, i think you won't like this format much at all - players are too busy to stream or interact much, and there's little to no time for storylines to develop.

i think of 2023 spring flyquest as a good example for the storyline point: they went 8-1 in the first round robin, then proceeded to massively fall off. if lcs had been using the lec format, you probably would've heard storylines of them being chokers, but because lcs kept the old format, the storylines focused on them struggling to adapt to meta changes, the team strategy being figured out, and individual skill finally getting them back up to finish in 3rd place. because i prefer storylines, i prefer the more drawn-out format where i can experience a longer, more detailed and intricate story.

to the second point, in terms of competition i get the same vibe as lys does. looking at how the standings are so up-and-down is exciting for those whose teams are on the come-up, but it also gives the impression that all the teams are basically equal. bds nearly won spring, but ended 5th in winter and summer regular season. vitality ended 3rd in spring but didnt even make it to groups this split, with the same roster. i could go on and on about how the standings are just sheer chaos this year.

to me, a good competition format should clearly show what teams are good, what teams are mid, and what teams are bad. the fact that everything is so chaotic is certainly more exciting, but it doesn't seem like a good competitive format to me.

also, i think the variety of playstyle is actually bad especially if people want to see more international competitiveness. players aren't necessarily learning to be fundamentally good at the game, they're learning to cheese (see: adam doing bonkers-ass TPs). i enjoy that variety! i love watching chaos! but i think that when a whole split is chaos, its too much.

i don't have enough time or energy to keep up with a split when every moment of every game is high-stakes... sometimes i just wanna put a show on the TV and pisschill with some knitting.

but i think that this format is riot's way of trying to make the lec and erls more exciting to attract more viewers. i haven't looked at the numbers, but i'm guessing most leagues are down in viewers due to the return to pre-pandemic work conditions, general audience shift to valorant, and a slight economic downturn.

if riot are really set on putting this format to erls, i'd guess they're seeing the results they want in the viewership numbers?

[neyoen]

[gonna answer both posts in this one cause i dont wanna flood the dash too much, i've ranted enough already sksk]

I don't think Riot wants to kill all ERLs, but it's obvious that changes like the salary cap are meant to ensure the financial sustainability of the leagues because right now, with their current spending, many of them aren't. I just wanted to know if that narrative existed outside of LVP, I see it doesn't.

On the storylines…but those are storylines too tho? They're just build different, I don't think a team's struggle is less meaningful because it feels rushed or the Split is shorter. Fnatic's struggle during winter split was as heartbreaking to me as T1's now (and Flyquest's 0-6 first weeks…WOW D:), and the difference in Splits only change the time and windows of opportunity they have to tackle it. The change and growth is still there, it's just happens between Splits.

On competition and the standings, I understand your views but that's to me the best part of this change. I don't know how the teams being equal and chaotic is a bad thing, I remember when I couldn't care less about teams like idk Astralis or BDS or XL cause they were always low-tier with overall far worse perfomances than the rest.

Why would I watch a team that I know it's bad because they're always place 8th-10th? Where's the potential? Why would long time viewers care about LEC to only watch the same three or four teams be on top? I like underdogs and upsets, I like stories about teams that win one moment and fall into chaos the next because that's how competition goes and they fell into complacency, I like seeing the teams that struggled for two consecutive Splits suddenly reach 2nd and 3rd because they worked for it. It's not only about high stakes, it's about expectations.

If anything, this format has shown that when forced to work at the same rhythm, none of the teams are that far from each other in ability and understanding of the meta and team-building and everything that comes into being a good team.

[neyoen]

the upcoming ERL changes are just making me realize how isolated LVP is from the rest of EUW because why am I reading just now that y'all don't like the new LEC format????

Now seriously I would like to hear some opinions because I feel like I've lived in a parallel bubble until now

[lys-jeorge]

For me there are 2 main things I don't like.

First being that the splits are so short for the bottom teams that I feel like it's probably hurting development, they have so few scrims days during a split and I like seeing teams develop and change over multiple weeks and that's just gone now.

Secondly it feels very inconsequential to win a split, having the finals be an out of studio event would probably help a bit but I think it is a format issue more than just where it's played, nothing about how winter or spring went make me feel like I know that G2 or MAD were the best team then, it feels like everyone fell over and they just happened to land in the lucky spot.

For summer it's probably less bad because the teams have had time between splits and there is something of an established hierarchy based on the volume of games from the 3 splits combined. Winter especially felt like a rushed meaningless mess and just seemed to stress everyone out and that time would usually have been used for teams to learn how to work together, and I feel like having lost that is really showing in how bad the play has been the whole time since.

[neyoen]

I feel like that first point is exactly what's best of this format, it's meant to be more punishing. If a team falls to bottom two and is left out, they're meant to use all that free time training more and looking for ways to not repeat that result next split, and it's obvious with the ERL changes that it's meant for both to be synched and for ERL and LEC players to switch constantly depending on performance, like how usually happens in LCK, until a good combination it's found, no need to be dragged out for what the old splits used to last.

I think it's just more ruthless than what we're used to.

As for the finals, yeah, LEC better look for any other place than the studio if they want to make it a bit grand, doesn't feel much different from a regular game :/But for me it's more of an organization and overall spectacle thing, in terms of competition I feel like I've seen more different playstyles and ways to compete from teams than in any other year.

However is quick to learn and adapt, however knows to play for their strengths in that specific meta they're given will advance phases and maybe win, and however doesn't is left to figure it out in scrims.

[lys-jeorge]

I think the punishing-ness of it is fine for spring and summer, and using the time between winter and spring, and spring summer to develop and not repeat is fine, but winter needs to be something else. The teams basically have to start the year in the form they need to be in at the end of the split, and that's just not realistic, and for me it's uninteresting. I don't want to say bye see you in a month, I want to see the progress week on week, that is interesting to me, it part of the enjoyment.

LCK works very differently, ERLs have enough meaning and independance that swapping players away from successful ERL teams seems as much a punishment to that team as a reward to the player, where for LCK teams they have more training academies and afaik winning is less relevant than in ERLs.

Plus I just don't see ruthlessness as a positive, I want good league from teams getting better over time more than I care about every game feeling like an elimination match.

I actually feel like teams have become more similar to each other and less experimental over the year so far, there were some attempts at meta breaking early on, but the ruthlessness I think discourages attempts at trying interesting or new things.

[neyoen]

That winter feels rushed I absolutely agree and about the rest I guess it's about how each enjoys competition.

But on the LCK, I think that's exactly the point of the change? It's not that ERL works like that now, but that the change it's meant to turn them into LCK-style academies where ERLs don't mean as much and they're synched with LEC to make swaps easier.

I mean take FNC-FNTQ as an example, the ERL team was absolutely BUTCHERED after what happened with Fnatic LEC, if both leagues were synched it would have been an easier change on FNTQ and FNC would have a true academy system to rely on without problems when another incident like their winter split happened.

[lys-jeorge]

Turning the ERLs into more LCK style academies might be the point, and if it is then fair enough on Riot if that's what they're wanting to do, but it also sounds like exactly the reason why the owners of the teams there which aren't also LEC team owners would be against the change, why would they ever want that.

[neyoen]

Fair, understandable they would fight it.

Now that you say that, I don't know if this mantra is only popular in LVP journalism or in the rest of LEC it is too, but it's often said Riot couldn't care less about ERLs, that Riot thinks there are too many minor leagues not being really profiyable and that's why the EMEA change happened, or why NA is probably headed to be an all-American league like in VCT. It wouldn't be surprising if Riot didn't take those concerns into account.

[neyoen]

the upcoming ERL changes are just making me realize how isolated LVP is from the rest of EUW because why am I reading just now that y'all don't like the new LEC format????

Now seriously I would like to hear some opinions because I feel like I've lived in a parallel bubble until now

[lys-jeorge]

For me there are 2 main things I don't like.

First being that the splits are so short for the bottom teams that I feel like it's probably hurting development, they have so few scrims days during a split and I like seeing teams develop and change over multiple weeks and that's just gone now.

Secondly it feels very inconsequential to win a split, having the finals be an out of studio event would probably help a bit but I think it is a format issue more than just where it's played, nothing about how winter or spring went make me feel like I know that G2 or MAD were the best team then, it feels like everyone fell over and they just happened to land in the lucky spot.

For summer it's probably less bad because the teams have had time between splits and there is something of an established hierarchy based on the volume of games from the 3 splits combined. Winter especially felt like a rushed meaningless mess and just seemed to stress everyone out and that time would usually have been used for teams to learn how to work together, and I feel like having lost that is really showing in how bad the play has been the whole time since.

[neyoen]

I feel like that first point is exactly what's best of this format, it's meant to be more punishing. If a team falls to bottom two and is left out, they're meant to use all that free time training more and looking for ways to not repeat that result next split, and it's obvious with the ERL changes that it's meant for both to be synched and for ERL and LEC players to switch constantly depending on performance, like how usually happens in LCK, until a good combination it's found, no need to be dragged out for what the old splits used to last.

I think it's just more ruthless than what we're used to.

As for the finals, yeah, LEC better look for any other place than the studio if they want to make it a bit grand, doesn't feel much different from a regular game :/But for me it's more of an organization and overall spectacle thing, in terms of competition I feel like I've seen more different playstyles and ways to compete from teams than in any other year.

However is quick to learn and adapt, however knows to play for their strengths in that specific meta they're given will advance phases and maybe win, and however doesn't is left to figure it out in scrims.

[lys-jeorge]

I think the punishing-ness of it is fine for spring and summer, and using the time between winter and spring, and spring summer to develop and not repeat is fine, but winter needs to be something else. The teams basically have to start the year in the form they need to be in at the end of the split, and that's just not realistic, and for me it's uninteresting. I don't want to say bye see you in a month, I want to see the progress week on week, that is interesting to me, it part of the enjoyment.

LCK works very differently, ERLs have enough meaning and independance that swapping players away from successful ERL teams seems as much a punishment to that team as a reward to the player, where for LCK teams they have more training academies and afaik winning is less relevant than in ERLs.

Plus I just don't see ruthlessness as a positive, I want good league from teams getting better over time more than I care about every game feeling like an elimination match.

I actually feel like teams have become more similar to each other and less experimental over the year so far, there were some attempts at meta breaking early on, but the ruthlessness I think discourages attempts at trying interesting or new things.

[neyoen]

That winter feels rushed I absolutely agree and about the rest I guess it's about how each enjoys competition.

But on the LCK, I think that's exactly the point of the change? It's not that ERL works like that now, but that the change it's meant to turn them into LCK-style academies where ERLs don't mean as much and they're synched with LEC to make swaps easier.

I mean take FNC-FNTQ as an example, the ERL team was absolutely BUTCHERED after what happened with Fnatic LEC, if both leagues were synched it would have been an easier change on FNTQ and FNC would have a true academy system to rely on without problems when another incident like their winter split happened.

[neyoen]

the upcoming ERL changes are just making me realize how isolated LVP is from the rest of EUW because why am I reading just now that y'all don't like the new LEC format????

Now seriously I would like to hear some opinions because I feel like I've lived in a parallel bubble until now

[random-esports-fan]

I have no idea who told you guys that LFL liked it because here we got those tweets from Shaunz (one of aegis owner) and Paul Arrivé (a journalist specialist of esports and really close to all the LFL teams) both saying no one here wanted it

We also often openly hate on the LEC format (players, casters, fans and everyone tbh)

[neyoen]

I'm honestly surprised because team managers and journalists from LVP said “all 20 teams agreed”, that's verbatim I'll look for sources later

And here it's completely the opposite, players, casters, analysts all agree that this is the best format the LEC has had in a long time and that bringing it to ERL is going to not only make ERL more competitive but improve both leagues, making scrims opportunities and player switches more viable

Also about the 2nd division, this is a leak from team managers in Esportmaniacos so not really confirmed but it's meant to disappear and there will only be the yearly amateur circuit (I don't know what the name is for LFL sorry)

[neyoen]

the upcoming ERL changes are just making me realize how isolated LVP is from the rest of EUW because why am I reading just now that y'all don't like the new LEC format????

Now seriously I would like to hear some opinions because I feel like I've lived in a parallel bubble until now

[lys-jeorge]

For me there are 2 main things I don't like.

First being that the splits are so short for the bottom teams that I feel like it's probably hurting development, they have so few scrims days during a split and I like seeing teams develop and change over multiple weeks and that's just gone now.

Secondly it feels very inconsequential to win a split, having the finals be an out of studio event would probably help a bit but I think it is a format issue more than just where it's played, nothing about how winter or spring went make me feel like I know that G2 or MAD were the best team then, it feels like everyone fell over and they just happened to land in the lucky spot.

For summer it's probably less bad because the teams have had time between splits and there is something of an established hierarchy based on the volume of games from the 3 splits combined. Winter especially felt like a rushed meaningless mess and just seemed to stress everyone out and that time would usually have been used for teams to learn how to work together, and I feel like having lost that is really showing in how bad the play has been the whole time since.

[neyoen]

I feel like that first point is exactly what's best of this format, it's meant to be more punishing. If a team falls to bottom two and is left out, they're meant to use all that free time training more and looking for ways to not repeat that result next split, and it's obvious with the ERL changes that it's meant for both to be synched and for ERL and LEC players to switch constantly depending on performance, like how usually happens in LCK, until a good combination it's found, no need to be dragged out for what the old splits used to last.

I think it's just more ruthless than what we're used to.

As for the finals, yeah, LEC better look for any other place than the studio if they want to make it a bit grand, doesn't feel much different from a regular game :/But for me it's more of an organization and overall spectacle thing, in terms of competition I feel like I've seen more different playstyles and ways to compete from teams than in any other year.

However is quick to learn and adapt, however knows to play for their strengths in that specific meta they're given will advance phases and maybe win, and however doesn't is left to figure it out in scrims.

[neyoen]

the upcoming ERL changes are just making me realize how isolated LVP is from the rest of EUW because why am I reading just now that y'all don't like the new LEC format????

Now seriously I would like to hear some opinions because I feel like I've lived in a parallel bubble until now

[neyoen]

t1 summer split incident, 2 dead 15 injured