[that-hazbin]

More SPN x HH au

1, Lucifer still makes himself fun-sized bc when he wraps his arms around Alastor his face is DIRECTLY in that chest and he can gently motorboat them 🥴

2, Charlie Morningstar is a Nephilim sired by an Archangel, and her existence is basically a Crime in heaven's eyes so she's strictly confined to Hell for the time being. Which, like, sucks for her since her parents are out skipping around earth all the time, but also this keeps her from being straight up slaughtered because she's "too powerful" or whatever.

3, Alastor at some point is going to tell Dean (and by proxy Castiel) "I do not have the mental and spiritual fortitude to deal with your bisexual drama right now." Sam is going to find this hilarious.

4, Gabriel's going to love Alastor. Lucifer is trying very, very hard not to be overly possessive when he finds out how much his younger brother is cozying up with his wife. It's fine! Everything's fine! He knows Alastor is 100% loyal to him and Gabriel WOULDN'T even think about stealing his wife so everything's FINE!

5, Castiel and his brothers in arms sort of already know that something is up with Hell from when they went down to "raise Dean from perdition." After Alastor's reorginization of Hell, it much more resembles Hazbin's idea of Hell than it does Supernatural's. Human souls are left to wander around and basically torture each other rather than there being demons doing the work. Of course, Castiel and his soldiers don't really care about this and only truly give a shit about accomplishing their mission, which they of course do.

6, No one really knows who tf Alastor is besides Lucifer. Lucifer is the ONLY person in existence who knows about Alastor's origins. No one knows how a (seemingly living??) human in Hell started interacting with Lucifer through his cage. No one knows where his abilities come from. No one knows how he became the Queen of Hell. You can't even tell from his soul what exactly is wrong with him, because again, he's a multidimensional celestial blindspot and he can CONTROL how he's perceived.

Lucifer is extremely smug about the fact that he is the only person in the know.

[niobeaz]

Just had a thought, what would happen if some idiot demon or other villain didn't recognize Alastor and Lucifer, and flirted with Alastor in front of Lucifer? I mean, I could see Alastor not shutting that shit down immediately only if Lucifer is there to witness (he has a fun snack otherwise), just because he finds Lucifer's possessiveness very attractive.

[that-hazbin]

I think Lucifer would sit back and let Alastor have his fun unless Alastor seems like he'd enjoy a show. I'm sure after over a billion years (taking into account the time difference between Hell and Earth) the two are extremely familiar with each others' cues and can easily indicate to one another how they want to deal with things, so it really all depends on their moods. Sometimes Lucifer just snaps his fingers and explodes a filthy little shit, other times he sits back and watches with heart eyes as Alastor disembowels a bitch. SOMETIMES they both put on an elaborate circus torture show for one another.

[niobeaz]

The couple that elaborately tortures people via circus acts together stays together I guess? Lmao

I figured they'd be pretty secure, just thought it would be funny for the Supernatural gang to see the guy who normally fucking EATS people who don't stop flirting with him all of a sudden start to...well not ENCOURAGE it but certainly not DISCOURAGE it...until somewhere in the distance angry circus music is heard...

[that-hazbin]

Came back bc fic idea wiggled into my mind

Essentially a Supernatural x Hazbin Hotel crossover, taking some inspiration from @kitsunesongs' Double Entry AU, specifically Fatherverse Lucifer again.

If y'all don't know Supernatural lore, I'll explain some to you because some of it seems VERY similar to Double Entry's fatherverse, with smaller key differences. (On that note, this may be spoilers for Double Entry so READ THAT FIRST, GO READ IT, GO!)

In Supernatural, instead of Roo, God wages war against Amara, his opposite, who cannot resist destroying anything he creates. Like Double Entry, God locks Amara away, except in Supernatural he leaves the lock with his most beloved angel, Lucifer. This lock is a Mark, and God has essentially cursed Lucifer to be slowly corrupted by Amara's influence over time.

It is this influence that ultimately led to Lucifer's rage, envy, and disgust when God created humanity and told the angels to bow to them. It's this influence that led to Lucifer refusing to bow and leading a rebellion. Those feelings would have still been there most likely, but nowhere near as deep without Amara whispering into his ear.

NOW. Back to the story idea.

Alastor gets transported into the Supernatural universe as a disembodied soul in Hell, but this is in the wake of his original universe being completely destroyed. Not because of Roo like he and many others had been expecting, but because God was frustrated and just decided to destroy EVERYTHING. A whole universe, gone. Lucifer, Charlie, Vaggi, Lilith, his MOTHER, they're all gone, as though they never existed to begin with.

Alastor only survived because Roo liked him. And Roo liked him because unlike others, who she could only influence, whisper to, nudge along, she could SPEAK with him, and he could speak back without being corrupted. Almost as if he was made to be able to do so.

Perhaps he was, and this was God's mistake. Because it left Alastor with abilities that essentially allowed him to be a multidimensional blindspot, so long as he was trained to do it. And oh, of COURSE Roo trained him to do it. Anything that could potentially fuck over her jailor at some point in the future.

Unbeknownst to her, it's her teachings that allowed him to escape. And it is her teachings that allowed him to eventually reconstruct a body. Not the one he had in Hell previously, apparently the rules in this new universe don't allow appearances like that yet, but he could reconstruct his human body. It was a slow process, of course, but that meant very little, because time was extended in Hell, and the place seemed rather... barren. Nothing around to disturb him.

Once his body is constructed, he wanders around, and finds he doesn't quite like how THIS Hell is structured. Naturally, he does something about it, starts moving things around, shifting things, and in his slow exploration and organization of this empty Hell, he eventually comes across a Cage. One with a being so immense, so bright, he instantly realized based on biblical scripture who he was looking at.

The Light Bringer. The Morning Star. The Serpent.

A marked being whose mind is being warped... Well, lucky for him that Alastor can do something about that, with all his teachings. Of course, this Lucifer still thinks humans are filthy unworthy creatures, and Alastor truthfully kind of wants to punt his stupid face regardless of how enormous and unfathomable he is, (which honestly Lucifer is a little stunned by, what the fuck is wrong with this human??) but, well, Lucifer wasn't wrong for being angry at being told to submit.

Alastor's from the Jim Crow era south, he can understand the ugly feeling of being told you are LESSER, that you must bow your head to another. Lucifer just has a nasty problem of falling a little too close to the tree, because like God he ALSO seems to have an egomaniac problem that makes him think OTHERS should be considered lesser... (And Alastor can see that this attitude was exacerbated by the literal curse that God placed on his own damn kid, Yikes.)

Luckily, Lucifer's in a cage, and Alastor has all the time in the world to poke him back into having a brain. In fact, he has more time than he would have in the previous universe, given that time is MUCH slower in this Hell.

(Alastor could have totally just left him, but Lucifer is currently the only other being in Hell, and unfortunately Alastor already has a taste for Annoying Lucifer Specifically, even if this is a different version of his favorite mockery victim.)

This is essentially a canon divergence that leads to Supernatural verse getting a more Hazbin edge to it, in that Alastor "discovers" a way for holy and demonic beings to make themselves bodies without having to steal it from others (leading to a Hazbin Lucifer appearance), his direct influence leads to Lucifer creating the Seven Deadly Sins instead of the Four Princes of Hell, and Lucifer ABSOLUTELY becomes a major simp because Alastor Does Not Leave Him Alone, and he is, unfortunately, extremely charmed by this impossible human, despite all the teasing and mockery.

Because of Alastor being a blindspot, no one sees that he's essentially completely derailed all plans of the Winchesters being used as divine flesh suits and shattered any prophesies by way of giving Lucifer the ability to make whatever body he wants. Alastor's existence in the universe stops a lot of things really! He even prevents his birth in this universe by killing his shitbag father before he gets his horrible grubby hands on his mother. No doubles, and his mother remains safe and happy!

At some point he does tell Supernatural!Lucifer about the other universe, about how God simply decided to destroy everything on a whim, including this other version of Lucifer and Lucifer's daughter— and S!Lucifer quickly picks up that Alastor is genuinely upset about the destruction of this daughter. Because she shall NEVER exist in this universe.

To which S!Lucifer is like "bet" and decides he's going to get this human pregnant the second he escapes this cage. In fact, does he need to escape his cage, they could totally do it through the bars, c'mon darling he'll SO give you that baby girl, ask and you shall receive—

(Alastor also mentions other Lucifer's failures as a parent and S!Lucifer is like "I could so do better" but that definitely comes with a LOT of discussions and arguments and convincing.)

[periguita]

If the knowledge of creating bodies is from Alastor who shares it with Lucifer, does Heaven know how to create their own bodies? Is Jim Novak still going to be possessed by Castiel?

[that-hazbin]

Alastor doesn't really spread this information past Lucifer and a few loyal demons, and none of them are going to be spreading the word either. Heaven at this point does not know about this method and that's by design. If they knew Lucifer could make himself a perfect vessel, they would know that their prophesy has already been ruined.

Basically, it's only revealed when Lucifer manages to break out of his cage, and he's possessing a body that does NOT look 100% human. Again, he's taking a more Hazbin appearance, so he's got the sharp teeth, black claws, porcelain skin, red eyes. I also like the idea of him coming out in a blue ringleader outfit like his blue one from last year's pride merch, ready to put on a show.

Honestly I want him to look clearly inhuman, but also festive and fun, something that will come completely out of left field to the Winchesters and the angels. He's also going to be a lot different personality-wise because he does not want to actually end humanity anymore. Alastor is human, his daughter is half-human, and he very much truly loves them both. (Also his new body lets him taste human food like normal and damn okay humans know what the fuck they're doing clearly, this shit is FIRE)

Honestly, Lucifer is just going to be an extremely radical conservationist. His biggest gripe is just that he loves the earth, he thinks it's god's greatest creation, and he wants to preserve its beauty. And yeah, a lot of humans RUIN that, and that pisses him the fuck off, but there's ALSO a lot of humans who agree and want to preserve the earth too.

He's the Devil, silver-tongued and all. He just needs to shift to a more human look, make himself an identity, and it won't be long before he's the biggest name in green energy and conservation efforts. He doesn't need to take over humanity by force or violence, sure it would be faster but it would also leave scars.

He's still gonna kill a lot of people though, of course. Like, SO many politicians and CEOs across the world are dropping like flies, or getting possessed by demons, or being replaced or jailed. Charlie's disapproval isn't really gonna stop that, sorry sweetie, daddy's trying to save the planet and this was honestly the most peaceful way.

Wait whoops I went on a tangent here I'm sorry!!! Yes Jimmy still gets possessed by Castiel, but after the discovery that human possession isn't needed, he does let Jimmy go and gains the knowledge to create a body in a deal with Alastor.

Castiel just makes a copy of Jimmy because that's the body he's currently most familiar with. So Jimmy's got a new twin brother now I guess lmao. And he gets to go back home to his wife and daughter! (Who are understandably upset.)

[niobeaz]

So in this AU, is Azazel like, not out there killing moms and making creepy children? If so, how did the Winchesters get into hunting? If not, how is Azazel not digesting in Alastor's stomach? Is Azazel created at all given that Lucifer made the 6 other Sins instead of the 4 Princes of Hell?

[that-hazbin]

The thing is, Chuck is basically the director here. His story includes the Winchesters coming into existence, and when the 4 Princes aren't created, he's going to 1st, assume this is just a minor divergent path that might have had something to do with the fact that he just destroyed a universe with 7 Sins, perhaps this was his own doing, he WAS a bit distracted, and 2nd, make some adjustments to make sure the Winchesters happen no matter what. And they would have, of course. It's not like there wouldn't have been a million constigency plans if Azazel didn't pan out. There were a lot of constingencies for a LOT of the plan, not just Azazel.

[niobeaz]

Huh. Well Alastor is gonna have just even more reasons to want to murder God/Chuck huh. I'm sure an all powerful being can beat a "mere" human soul

/s.

Chuck's cooked

[that-hazbin]

HE IS, HE'S SO COOKED

not decided who replaces Chuck as God but he's SO getting replaced

[niobeaz]

How bad is Lucifer gonna be watching this? Hot wife beating up his asshole of a dad? No-longer-God there might be more kids on the way now lmao. He's gonna be so insufferable

[that-hazbin]

Lucifer would be the MOST insufferable shit about his dad becoming a mortal and everyone refusing to kill him. Like I can 100% see him committing to the bit and him and Alastor legit just buy a house in a suburban neighbourhood and stick Chuck in a guest room upstairs and have a stairlift installed. Lucifer and Alastor make their next baby loudly in the master bedroom, it can be heard all throughout the house.

And Alastor of course would take it a step further, because while physical pain is nice, psychological pain is MUCH more satisfying. He hires Chuck a caretaker. Tells them YES, Chuck is indeed my husband's father, it was a teen pregnancy, YES poor Chuck does, in fact, require a caretaker, you see he suffers from delusions of being a former God and is exhibiting suicidal tendencies because the man "cannot suffer being a mortal," I'm sure you can understand why this is the step we took. 😔

Actually holy shit imagine if Emberlynn Pinkle was the caretaker. Why yes, ma'am, he DID write those books, I didn't know you were a fan! Please do tell him ALL about how much you adore Destiel, have all the fun you'd like, just make sure he doesn't kill himself! Don't worry, those tendencies aren't because of you, like I said he was already having trouble my dear. 😊

[niobeaz]

Lucifer after Alastor fucks Chuck up ^

[that-hazbin]

For the SPN x Hazbin AU

I think it would be very neat if Alastor and the Winchesters encounter some demonic tomfoolery that was NOT authorized by Hell's royalty and Alastor summons Lucifer to "deal with the problem in an entertaining way!" and Lucifer goes into a very Hazbin-esque musical number of "The One Who's Running The Show" while casually torturing a bunch of demons before throwing them into a portal, and turning towards Alastor for some praise and validation. (He gets a bunch of head scratches and a few whispered promises of a reward later! 😘)

And this is before Dean and Sam knew that the freaky lil nonhuman being who pops up from time to time to motorboat their weird smiling mentor figure is The Literal Devil.

This was a major clue that they sort of brush over because it was so ridiculous that they didn't really pay attention to the lyrics. They were distracted by the circus torture okay!!

[niobeaz]

Lol to be fair to them, circus torture does sound very disturb-distracting. I assume that Alastor could easily handle the situation, and summons Lucifer not only for the entertainment of the circus torture, but also because he knows that Sam and Dean don't realize who Lucifer is and wants to add to the horror at the eventual reveal? Seems like an Alastor thing to do honestly

[that-hazbin]

Alastor loves setting up future clusterfucks, it really is something he would do lmao. Like yeah he could handle things himself, he IS technically the Queen of Hell (as Lucifer loudly exclaims all the damn time), but this is just so much more entertaining!

Alastor and Lucifer are super Morticia and Gomez coded lmao.

[niobeaz]

Fun idea, Charles Addams was secretly a demon in the know about Alastor and Lucifer and knew what the world needed, and so he wrote the Addams family. He randomly takes other forms and redoes it so it stays relevant!

[that-hazbin]

Came back bc fic idea wiggled into my mind

Essentially a Supernatural x Hazbin Hotel crossover, taking some inspiration from @kitsunesongs' Double Entry AU, specifically Fatherverse Lucifer again.

If y'all don't know Supernatural lore, I'll explain some to you because some of it seems VERY similar to Double Entry's fatherverse, with smaller key differences. (On that note, this may be spoilers for Double Entry so READ THAT FIRST, GO READ IT, GO!)

In Supernatural, instead of Roo, God wages war against Amara, his opposite, who cannot resist destroying anything he creates. Like Double Entry, God locks Amara away, except in Supernatural he leaves the lock with his most beloved angel, Lucifer. This lock is a Mark, and God has essentially cursed Lucifer to be slowly corrupted by Amara's influence over time.

It is this influence that ultimately led to Lucifer's rage, envy, and disgust when God created humanity and told the angels to bow to them. It's this influence that led to Lucifer refusing to bow and leading a rebellion. Those feelings would have still been there most likely, but nowhere near as deep without Amara whispering into his ear.

NOW. Back to the story idea.

Alastor gets transported into the Supernatural universe as a disembodied soul in Hell, but this is in the wake of his original universe being completely destroyed. Not because of Roo like he and many others had been expecting, but because God was frustrated and just decided to destroy EVERYTHING. A whole universe, gone. Lucifer, Charlie, Vaggi, Lilith, his MOTHER, they're all gone, as though they never existed to begin with.

Alastor only survived because Roo liked him. And Roo liked him because unlike others, who she could only influence, whisper to, nudge along, she could SPEAK with him, and he could speak back without being corrupted. Almost as if he was made to be able to do so.

Perhaps he was, and this was God's mistake. Because it left Alastor with abilities that essentially allowed him to be a multidimensional blindspot, so long as he was trained to do it. And oh, of COURSE Roo trained him to do it. Anything that could potentially fuck over her jailor at some point in the future.

Unbeknownst to her, it's her teachings that allowed him to escape. And it is her teachings that allowed him to eventually reconstruct a body. Not the one he had in Hell previously, apparently the rules in this new universe don't allow appearances like that yet, but he could reconstruct his human body. It was a slow process, of course, but that meant very little, because time was extended in Hell, and the place seemed rather... barren. Nothing around to disturb him.

Once his body is constructed, he wanders around, and finds he doesn't quite like how THIS Hell is structured. Naturally, he does something about it, starts moving things around, shifting things, and in his slow exploration and organization of this empty Hell, he eventually comes across a Cage. One with a being so immense, so bright, he instantly realized based on biblical scripture who he was looking at.

The Light Bringer. The Morning Star. The Serpent.

A marked being whose mind is being warped... Well, lucky for him that Alastor can do something about that, with all his teachings. Of course, this Lucifer still thinks humans are filthy unworthy creatures, and Alastor truthfully kind of wants to punt his stupid face regardless of how enormous and unfathomable he is, (which honestly Lucifer is a little stunned by, what the fuck is wrong with this human??) but, well, Lucifer wasn't wrong for being angry at being told to submit.

Alastor's from the Jim Crow era south, he can understand the ugly feeling of being told you are LESSER, that you must bow your head to another. Lucifer just has a nasty problem of falling a little too close to the tree, because like God he ALSO seems to have an egomaniac problem that makes him think OTHERS should be considered lesser... (And Alastor can see that this attitude was exacerbated by the literal curse that God placed on his own damn kid, Yikes.)

Luckily, Lucifer's in a cage, and Alastor has all the time in the world to poke him back into having a brain. In fact, he has more time than he would have in the previous universe, given that time is MUCH slower in this Hell.

(Alastor could have totally just left him, but Lucifer is currently the only other being in Hell, and unfortunately Alastor already has a taste for Annoying Lucifer Specifically, even if this is a different version of his favorite mockery victim.)

This is essentially a canon divergence that leads to Supernatural verse getting a more Hazbin edge to it, in that Alastor "discovers" a way for holy and demonic beings to make themselves bodies without having to steal it from others (leading to a Hazbin Lucifer appearance), his direct influence leads to Lucifer creating the Seven Deadly Sins instead of the Four Princes of Hell, and Lucifer ABSOLUTELY becomes a major simp because Alastor Does Not Leave Him Alone, and he is, unfortunately, extremely charmed by this impossible human, despite all the teasing and mockery.

Because of Alastor being a blindspot, no one sees that he's essentially completely derailed all plans of the Winchesters being used as divine flesh suits and shattered any prophesies by way of giving Lucifer the ability to make whatever body he wants. Alastor's existence in the universe stops a lot of things really! He even prevents his birth in this universe by killing his shitbag father before he gets his horrible grubby hands on his mother. No doubles, and his mother remains safe and happy!

At some point he does tell Supernatural!Lucifer about the other universe, about how God simply decided to destroy everything on a whim, including this other version of Lucifer and Lucifer's daughter— and S!Lucifer quickly picks up that Alastor is genuinely upset about the destruction of this daughter. Because she shall NEVER exist in this universe.

To which S!Lucifer is like "bet" and decides he's going to get this human pregnant the second he escapes this cage. In fact, does he need to escape his cage, they could totally do it through the bars, c'mon darling he'll SO give you that baby girl, ask and you shall receive—

(Alastor also mentions other Lucifer's failures as a parent and S!Lucifer is like "I could so do better" but that definitely comes with a LOT of discussions and arguments and convincing.)

[periguita]

If the knowledge of creating bodies is from Alastor who shares it with Lucifer, does Heaven know how to create their own bodies? Is Jim Novak still going to be possessed by Castiel?

[that-hazbin]

Alastor doesn't really spread this information past Lucifer and a few loyal demons, and none of them are going to be spreading the word either. Heaven at this point does not know about this method and that's by design. If they knew Lucifer could make himself a perfect vessel, they would know that their prophesy has already been ruined.

Basically, it's only revealed when Lucifer manages to break out of his cage, and he's possessing a body that does NOT look 100% human. Again, he's taking a more Hazbin appearance, so he's got the sharp teeth, black claws, porcelain skin, red eyes. I also like the idea of him coming out in a blue ringleader outfit like his blue one from last year's pride merch, ready to put on a show.

Honestly I want him to look clearly inhuman, but also festive and fun, something that will come completely out of left field to the Winchesters and the angels. He's also going to be a lot different personality-wise because he does not want to actually end humanity anymore. Alastor is human, his daughter is half-human, and he very much truly loves them both. (Also his new body lets him taste human food like normal and damn okay humans know what the fuck they're doing clearly, this shit is FIRE)

Honestly, Lucifer is just going to be an extremely radical conservationist. His biggest gripe is just that he loves the earth, he thinks it's god's greatest creation, and he wants to preserve its beauty. And yeah, a lot of humans RUIN that, and that pisses him the fuck off, but there's ALSO a lot of humans who agree and want to preserve the earth too.

He's the Devil, silver-tongued and all. He just needs to shift to a more human look, make himself an identity, and it won't be long before he's the biggest name in green energy and conservation efforts. He doesn't need to take over humanity by force or violence, sure it would be faster but it would also leave scars.

He's still gonna kill a lot of people though, of course. Like, SO many politicians and CEOs across the world are dropping like flies, or getting possessed by demons, or being replaced or jailed. Charlie's disapproval isn't really gonna stop that, sorry sweetie, daddy's trying to save the planet and this was honestly the most peaceful way.

Wait whoops I went on a tangent here I'm sorry!!! Yes Jimmy still gets possessed by Castiel, but after the discovery that human possession isn't needed, he does let Jimmy go and gains the knowledge to create a body in a deal with Alastor.

Castiel just makes a copy of Jimmy because that's the body he's currently most familiar with. So Jimmy's got a new twin brother now I guess lmao. And he gets to go back home to his wife and daughter! (Who are understandably upset.)

[niobeaz]

So in this AU, is Azazel like, not out there killing moms and making creepy children? If so, how did the Winchesters get into hunting? If not, how is Azazel not digesting in Alastor's stomach? Is Azazel created at all given that Lucifer made the 6 other Sins instead of the 4 Princes of Hell?

[that-hazbin]

The thing is, Chuck is basically the director here. His story includes the Winchesters coming into existence, and when the 4 Princes aren't created, he's going to 1st, assume this is just a minor divergent path that might have had something to do with the fact that he just destroyed a universe with 7 Sins, perhaps this was his own doing, he WAS a bit distracted, and 2nd, make some adjustments to make sure the Winchesters happen no matter what. And they would have, of course. It's not like there wouldn't have been a million constigency plans if Azazel didn't pan out. There were a lot of constingencies for a LOT of the plan, not just Azazel.

[niobeaz]

Huh. Well Alastor is gonna have just even more reasons to want to murder God/Chuck huh. I'm sure an all powerful being can beat a "mere" human soul

/s.

Chuck's cooked

[that-hazbin]

HE IS, HE'S SO COOKED

not decided who replaces Chuck as God but he's SO getting replaced

[niobeaz]

How bad is Lucifer gonna be watching this? Hot wife beating up his asshole of a dad? No-longer-God there might be more kids on the way now lmao. He's gonna be so insufferable

[that-hazbin]

Lucifer would be the MOST insufferable shit about his dad becoming a mortal and everyone refusing to kill him. Like I can 100% see him committing to the bit and him and Alastor legit just buy a house in a suburban neighbourhood and stick Chuck in a guest room upstairs and have a stairlift installed. Lucifer and Alastor make their next baby loudly in the master bedroom, it can be heard all throughout the house.

And Alastor of course would take it a step further, because while physical pain is nice, psychological pain is MUCH more satisfying. He hires Chuck a caretaker. Tells them YES, Chuck is indeed my husband's father, it was a teen pregnancy, YES poor Chuck does, in fact, require a caretaker, you see he suffers from delusions of being a former God and is exhibiting suicidal tendencies because the man "cannot suffer being a mortal," I'm sure you can understand why this is the step we took. 😔

Actually holy shit imagine if Emberlynn Pinkle was the caretaker. Why yes, ma'am, he DID write those books, I didn't know you were a fan! Please do tell him ALL about how much you adore Destiel, have all the fun you'd like, just make sure he doesn't kill himself! Don't worry, those tendencies aren't because of you, like I said he was already having trouble my dear. 😊

[niobeaz]

Oh that is incredible! Maybe have Blitzø somehow being the sub caretaker for when Emberlynn is off? Just...all the trauma

[starryeyeddreamer21]

Appleradio is actually one of the four ships I can remember that I had to pause a show as I was watching it and check ao3 to make sure other people were seeing this

[niobeaz]

[that-hazbin]

Came back bc fic idea wiggled into my mind

Essentially a Supernatural x Hazbin Hotel crossover, taking some inspiration from @kitsunesongs' Double Entry AU, specifically Fatherverse Lucifer again.

If y'all don't know Supernatural lore, I'll explain some to you because some of it seems VERY similar to Double Entry's fatherverse, with smaller key differences. (On that note, this may be spoilers for Double Entry so READ THAT FIRST, GO READ IT, GO!)

In Supernatural, instead of Roo, God wages war against Amara, his opposite, who cannot resist destroying anything he creates. Like Double Entry, God locks Amara away, except in Supernatural he leaves the lock with his most beloved angel, Lucifer. This lock is a Mark, and God has essentially cursed Lucifer to be slowly corrupted by Amara's influence over time.

It is this influence that ultimately led to Lucifer's rage, envy, and disgust when God created humanity and told the angels to bow to them. It's this influence that led to Lucifer refusing to bow and leading a rebellion. Those feelings would have still been there most likely, but nowhere near as deep without Amara whispering into his ear.

NOW. Back to the story idea.

Alastor gets transported into the Supernatural universe as a disembodied soul in Hell, but this is in the wake of his original universe being completely destroyed. Not because of Roo like he and many others had been expecting, but because God was frustrated and just decided to destroy EVERYTHING. A whole universe, gone. Lucifer, Charlie, Vaggi, Lilith, his MOTHER, they're all gone, as though they never existed to begin with.

Alastor only survived because Roo liked him. And Roo liked him because unlike others, who she could only influence, whisper to, nudge along, she could SPEAK with him, and he could speak back without being corrupted. Almost as if he was made to be able to do so.

Perhaps he was, and this was God's mistake. Because it left Alastor with abilities that essentially allowed him to be a multidimensional blindspot, so long as he was trained to do it. And oh, of COURSE Roo trained him to do it. Anything that could potentially fuck over her jailor at some point in the future.

Unbeknownst to her, it's her teachings that allowed him to escape. And it is her teachings that allowed him to eventually reconstruct a body. Not the one he had in Hell previously, apparently the rules in this new universe don't allow appearances like that yet, but he could reconstruct his human body. It was a slow process, of course, but that meant very little, because time was extended in Hell, and the place seemed rather... barren. Nothing around to disturb him.

Once his body is constructed, he wanders around, and finds he doesn't quite like how THIS Hell is structured. Naturally, he does something about it, starts moving things around, shifting things, and in his slow exploration and organization of this empty Hell, he eventually comes across a Cage. One with a being so immense, so bright, he instantly realized based on biblical scripture who he was looking at.

The Light Bringer. The Morning Star. The Serpent.

A marked being whose mind is being warped... Well, lucky for him that Alastor can do something about that, with all his teachings. Of course, this Lucifer still thinks humans are filthy unworthy creatures, and Alastor truthfully kind of wants to punt his stupid face regardless of how enormous and unfathomable he is, (which honestly Lucifer is a little stunned by, what the fuck is wrong with this human??) but, well, Lucifer wasn't wrong for being angry at being told to submit.

Alastor's from the Jim Crow era south, he can understand the ugly feeling of being told you are LESSER, that you must bow your head to another. Lucifer just has a nasty problem of falling a little too close to the tree, because like God he ALSO seems to have an egomaniac problem that makes him think OTHERS should be considered lesser... (And Alastor can see that this attitude was exacerbated by the literal curse that God placed on his own damn kid, Yikes.)

Luckily, Lucifer's in a cage, and Alastor has all the time in the world to poke him back into having a brain. In fact, he has more time than he would have in the previous universe, given that time is MUCH slower in this Hell.

(Alastor could have totally just left him, but Lucifer is currently the only other being in Hell, and unfortunately Alastor already has a taste for Annoying Lucifer Specifically, even if this is a different version of his favorite mockery victim.)

This is essentially a canon divergence that leads to Supernatural verse getting a more Hazbin edge to it, in that Alastor "discovers" a way for holy and demonic beings to make themselves bodies without having to steal it from others (leading to a Hazbin Lucifer appearance), his direct influence leads to Lucifer creating the Seven Deadly Sins instead of the Four Princes of Hell, and Lucifer ABSOLUTELY becomes a major simp because Alastor Does Not Leave Him Alone, and he is, unfortunately, extremely charmed by this impossible human, despite all the teasing and mockery.

Because of Alastor being a blindspot, no one sees that he's essentially completely derailed all plans of the Winchesters being used as divine flesh suits and shattered any prophesies by way of giving Lucifer the ability to make whatever body he wants. Alastor's existence in the universe stops a lot of things really! He even prevents his birth in this universe by killing his shitbag father before he gets his horrible grubby hands on his mother. No doubles, and his mother remains safe and happy!

At some point he does tell Supernatural!Lucifer about the other universe, about how God simply decided to destroy everything on a whim, including this other version of Lucifer and Lucifer's daughter— and S!Lucifer quickly picks up that Alastor is genuinely upset about the destruction of this daughter. Because she shall NEVER exist in this universe.

To which S!Lucifer is like "bet" and decides he's going to get this human pregnant the second he escapes this cage. In fact, does he need to escape his cage, they could totally do it through the bars, c'mon darling he'll SO give you that baby girl, ask and you shall receive—

(Alastor also mentions other Lucifer's failures as a parent and S!Lucifer is like "I could so do better" but that definitely comes with a LOT of discussions and arguments and convincing.)

[periguita]

If the knowledge of creating bodies is from Alastor who shares it with Lucifer, does Heaven know how to create their own bodies? Is Jim Novak still going to be possessed by Castiel?

[that-hazbin]

Alastor doesn't really spread this information past Lucifer and a few loyal demons, and none of them are going to be spreading the word either. Heaven at this point does not know about this method and that's by design. If they knew Lucifer could make himself a perfect vessel, they would know that their prophesy has already been ruined.

Basically, it's only revealed when Lucifer manages to break out of his cage, and he's possessing a body that does NOT look 100% human. Again, he's taking a more Hazbin appearance, so he's got the sharp teeth, black claws, porcelain skin, red eyes. I also like the idea of him coming out in a blue ringleader outfit like his blue one from last year's pride merch, ready to put on a show.

Honestly I want him to look clearly inhuman, but also festive and fun, something that will come completely out of left field to the Winchesters and the angels. He's also going to be a lot different personality-wise because he does not want to actually end humanity anymore. Alastor is human, his daughter is half-human, and he very much truly loves them both. (Also his new body lets him taste human food like normal and damn okay humans know what the fuck they're doing clearly, this shit is FIRE)

Honestly, Lucifer is just going to be an extremely radical conservationist. His biggest gripe is just that he loves the earth, he thinks it's god's greatest creation, and he wants to preserve its beauty. And yeah, a lot of humans RUIN that, and that pisses him the fuck off, but there's ALSO a lot of humans who agree and want to preserve the earth too.

He's the Devil, silver-tongued and all. He just needs to shift to a more human look, make himself an identity, and it won't be long before he's the biggest name in green energy and conservation efforts. He doesn't need to take over humanity by force or violence, sure it would be faster but it would also leave scars.

He's still gonna kill a lot of people though, of course. Like, SO many politicians and CEOs across the world are dropping like flies, or getting possessed by demons, or being replaced or jailed. Charlie's disapproval isn't really gonna stop that, sorry sweetie, daddy's trying to save the planet and this was honestly the most peaceful way.

Wait whoops I went on a tangent here I'm sorry!!! Yes Jimmy still gets possessed by Castiel, but after the discovery that human possession isn't needed, he does let Jimmy go and gains the knowledge to create a body in a deal with Alastor.

Castiel just makes a copy of Jimmy because that's the body he's currently most familiar with. So Jimmy's got a new twin brother now I guess lmao. And he gets to go back home to his wife and daughter! (Who are understandably upset.)

[niobeaz]

So in this AU, is Azazel like, not out there killing moms and making creepy children? If so, how did the Winchesters get into hunting? If not, how is Azazel not digesting in Alastor's stomach? Is Azazel created at all given that Lucifer made the 6 other Sins instead of the 4 Princes of Hell?

[that-hazbin]

The thing is, Chuck is basically the director here. His story includes the Winchesters coming into existence, and when the 4 Princes aren't created, he's going to 1st, assume this is just a minor divergent path that might have had something to do with the fact that he just destroyed a universe with 7 Sins, perhaps this was his own doing, he WAS a bit distracted, and 2nd, make some adjustments to make sure the Winchesters happen no matter what. And they would have, of course. It's not like there wouldn't have been a million constigency plans if Azazel didn't pan out. There were a lot of constingencies for a LOT of the plan, not just Azazel.

[niobeaz]

Huh. Well Alastor is gonna have just even more reasons to want to murder God/Chuck huh. I'm sure an all powerful being can beat a "mere" human soul

/s.

Chuck's cooked

[that-hazbin]

HE IS, HE'S SO COOKED

not decided who replaces Chuck as God but he's SO getting replaced

[niobeaz]

How bad is Lucifer gonna be watching this? Hot wife beating up his asshole of a dad? No-longer-God there might be more kids on the way now lmao. He's gonna be so insufferable

[nonameoww]

hello

[that-hazbin]

More SPN x HH au

1, Lucifer still makes himself fun-sized bc when he wraps his arms around Alastor his face is DIRECTLY in that chest and he can gently motorboat them 🥴

2, Charlie Morningstar is a Nephilim sired by an Archangel, and her existence is basically a Crime in heaven's eyes so she's strictly confined to Hell for the time being. Which, like, sucks for her since her parents are out skipping around earth all the time, but also this keeps her from being straight up slaughtered because she's "too powerful" or whatever.

3, Alastor at some point is going to tell Dean (and by proxy Castiel) "I do not have the mental and spiritual fortitude to deal with your bisexual drama right now." Sam is going to find this hilarious.

4, Gabriel's going to love Alastor. Lucifer is trying very, very hard not to be overly possessive when he finds out how much his younger brother is cozying up with his wife. It's fine! Everything's fine! He knows Alastor is 100% loyal to him and Gabriel WOULDN'T even think about stealing his wife so everything's FINE!

5, Castiel and his brothers in arms sort of already know that something is up with Hell from when they went down to "raise Dean from perdition." After Alastor's reorginization of Hell, it much more resembles Hazbin's idea of Hell than it does Supernatural's. Human souls are left to wander around and basically torture each other rather than there being demons doing the work. Of course, Castiel and his soldiers don't really care about this and only truly give a shit about accomplishing their mission, which they of course do.

6, No one really knows who tf Alastor is besides Lucifer. Lucifer is the ONLY person in existence who knows about Alastor's origins. No one knows how a (seemingly living??) human in Hell started interacting with Lucifer through his cage. No one knows where his abilities come from. No one knows how he became the Queen of Hell. You can't even tell from his soul what exactly is wrong with him, because again, he's a multidimensional celestial blindspot and he can CONTROL how he's perceived.

Lucifer is extremely smug about the fact that he is the only person in the know.

[niobeaz]

Just had a thought, what would happen if some idiot demon or other villain didn't recognize Alastor and Lucifer, and flirted with Alastor in front of Lucifer? I mean, I could see Alastor not shutting that shit down immediately only if Lucifer is there to witness (he has a fun snack otherwise), just because he finds Lucifer's possessiveness very attractive.

[that-hazbin]

For the SPN x Hazbin AU

I think it would be very neat if Alastor and the Winchesters encounter some demonic tomfoolery that was NOT authorized by Hell's royalty and Alastor summons Lucifer to "deal with the problem in an entertaining way!" and Lucifer goes into a very Hazbin-esque musical number of "The One Who's Running The Show" while casually torturing a bunch of demons before throwing them into a portal, and turning towards Alastor for some praise and validation. (He gets a bunch of head scratches and a few whispered promises of a reward later! 😘)

And this is before Dean and Sam knew that the freaky lil nonhuman being who pops up from time to time to motorboat their weird smiling mentor figure is The Literal Devil.

This was a major clue that they sort of brush over because it was so ridiculous that they didn't really pay attention to the lyrics. They were distracted by the circus torture okay!!

[niobeaz]

Lol to be fair to them, circus torture does sound very disturb-distracting. I assume that Alastor could easily handle the situation, and summons Lucifer not only for the entertainment of the circus torture, but also because he knows that Sam and Dean don't realize who Lucifer is and wants to add to the horror at the eventual reveal? Seems like an Alastor thing to do honestly

[666appleschnappsfm]

If Lu could bring AL to another Ring, I think he'd start with Wrath 'cause Al's violent-ass loves a good bout of blowing off steam in deadly fashion! I've been inspired to draw RadioApple visiting some of the other Rings after having Helluva Boss playing as background noise while I work! It's such an open chance to explore drawing the different flora and fauna and landscapes of Hell, not only Pride! Plus, I like drawing different snake species and I totally think Lucifer's lil' Hat!Snake tends to

[cawrnage]

i forgot to share this here, whoopsie poopsies

[that-hazbin]

More SPN x HH au

1, Lucifer still makes himself fun-sized bc when he wraps his arms around Alastor his face is DIRECTLY in that chest and he can gently motorboat them 🥴

2, Charlie Morningstar is a Nephilim sired by an Archangel, and her existence is basically a Crime in heaven's eyes so she's strictly confined to Hell for the time being. Which, like, sucks for her since her parents are out skipping around earth all the time, but also this keeps her from being straight up slaughtered because she's "too powerful" or whatever.

3, Alastor at some point is going to tell Dean (and by proxy Castiel) "I do not have the mental and spiritual fortitude to deal with your bisexual drama right now." Sam is going to find this hilarious.

4, Gabriel's going to love Alastor. Lucifer is trying very, very hard not to be overly possessive when he finds out how much his younger brother is cozying up with his wife. It's fine! Everything's fine! He knows Alastor is 100% loyal to him and Gabriel WOULDN'T even think about stealing his wife so everything's FINE!

5, Castiel and his brothers in arms sort of already know that something is up with Hell from when they went down to "raise Dean from perdition." After Alastor's reorginization of Hell, it much more resembles Hazbin's idea of Hell than it does Supernatural's. Human souls are left to wander around and basically torture each other rather than there being demons doing the work. Of course, Castiel and his soldiers don't really care about this and only truly give a shit about accomplishing their mission, which they of course do.

6, No one really knows who tf Alastor is besides Lucifer. Lucifer is the ONLY person in existence who knows about Alastor's origins. No one knows how a (seemingly living??) human in Hell started interacting with Lucifer through his cage. No one knows where his abilities come from. No one knows how he became the Queen of Hell. You can't even tell from his soul what exactly is wrong with him, because again, he's a multidimensional celestial blindspot and he can CONTROL how he's perceived.

Lucifer is extremely smug about the fact that he is the only person in the know.

[niobeaz]

Just had this thought, but Lucifer definitely "gently" motorboats Alastor in public right? No way that guy has shame. At all. So I'm imagining Alastor is messing with the Winchesters, and being all dark and mysterious and ominous when all of a sudden a short weird circus themed dude appears out of nowhere to start motorboating Alastor. The excuse was the Sins were being annoying I assume lmao. Then later, the Winchesters find out that that weird guy was the MOTHERDUCKING KING OF HELL???? SIN OF PRIDE???? FIRST FALLEN ANGEL??? THE FULL ON DEVIL????

[that-hazbin]

Lmaoo yeah Lucifer have even less shame than Hazbin!Lucifer, man motorboats Alastor in front of the Winchesters and complains about Ozzie and Mam fighting over some top earning clown, and of course the hunters are gonna be like ????

And then Lucifer demonstrates even further how little shame he has when he starts talking about how he wants to "relieve" his stress with Alastor later.

At no point will Alastor call him Lucifer, he's going to call him my angel, and my dear, and darling. Then Lucifer disappears and no one knows who tf he was and Alastor ain't gonna say SHIT.

[niobeaz]

Oh my God the reveal needs to be at a BBEG final fight, just like some sort of weird condition that only an angel of the highest order can defeat the BBEG, and Alastor just goes: I got a guy. And then the Winchesters get to see the weird circus perv go all BE NOT AFRAID EXCEPT ACTUALLY BE VERY AFRAID IF YOU AREN'T ALASTOR, and Alastor is taking no questions and giving no answers. Either that or, Lucifer showing up to be a perv has happened multiple times yet he is somehow never there when either Castiel or Gabriel are also there (can't decide if I want unknowing innocent poor Castiel to suffer or Gabriel having to see his weird ass brother being all...sexual *shivers in disgust*) until one really mundane time, Lucifer appears, does his thing, finger guns at Castiel or Gabriel and disappears giving the other angel the feeling of a fever dream. Even better if they don't know that Lucifer is no longer all "murder all humanity cuz they're inferior" yet. Imagine the being you think of as the supreme evil showing up and motorboating and dirty talking your weird ominous mentor (who is definitely not parental in any way sHut uP Sammy!). Everyone is gonna have to do a lot of the thousand yard stare.

[that-hazbin]

I think my favorite is Lucifer just keeps coming back to be a massive perv and ends up exposing how much of a freak he is in front of BOTH Gabriel and Cas. I like Lucifer traumatizing his brothers in dumb ways lmaooo

[niobeaz]

A little trauma is good for the soul! Or, like, the Grace?

Also I imagine Alastor has been parentin-i mean manipulating with kindness Sam and Dean, so I have a feeling they are definitely constantly being traumatized (like they need anymore. They might prefer the monsters trying to kill them at this point). I wonder if Lucifer at some point does a punny dirty line about apple pie (cuz you know he would do apple puns and Alastor is reluctant to admit it but he's into the puns) that actually puts Dean off of apple pie for at least a week.

I also love the idea of Lucifer traumatizing his brothers, and I need so badly for this to be the first time they have seen him since the Fall, only for them to have to recheck that yes, that is actually Lucifer motorboating Gabriel's chaos friend and saying lines that would make Ozzie from the Hazbin verse blush. The confusion would be soooo sweet!

[that-hazbin]

Lucifer is a silly little TROLL, and he absolutely would make some filthy allegory to sex like kneading the dough and making apple pie something something, put a pie in the oven— DEAN IS SUFFERING. And of course Lucifer would know this bc Alastor would tell him at some point about Dean's love of pie. This is a DELIBERATE ATTACK.

And Gabriel finding out his silly goofy trickster friend is making out with his presumably genocidal older brother is going to WRECK HIS BRAIN.

[niobeaz]

Speaking of @kitsunesongs , imagine if the Viewing Au or the What If Orb Au got mashed in here so the canon crew gets to see just...all of this. Canon!Lucifer is taking notes I presume. Charlie is in a corner with Dean, Sam, Gabriel and Cas trying to figure out if brain bleach is a thing that can be miracled up. Husk is invested in that conversation. Niffty is vibrating with excitement...very concerningly.

[that-hazbin]

Came back bc fic idea wiggled into my mind

Essentially a Supernatural x Hazbin Hotel crossover, taking some inspiration from @kitsunesongs' Double Entry AU, specifically Fatherverse Lucifer again.

If y'all don't know Supernatural lore, I'll explain some to you because some of it seems VERY similar to Double Entry's fatherverse, with smaller key differences. (On that note, this may be spoilers for Double Entry so READ THAT FIRST, GO READ IT, GO!)

In Supernatural, instead of Roo, God wages war against Amara, his opposite, who cannot resist destroying anything he creates. Like Double Entry, God locks Amara away, except in Supernatural he leaves the lock with his most beloved angel, Lucifer. This lock is a Mark, and God has essentially cursed Lucifer to be slowly corrupted by Amara's influence over time.

It is this influence that ultimately led to Lucifer's rage, envy, and disgust when God created humanity and told the angels to bow to them. It's this influence that led to Lucifer refusing to bow and leading a rebellion. Those feelings would have still been there most likely, but nowhere near as deep without Amara whispering into his ear.

NOW. Back to the story idea.

Alastor gets transported into the Supernatural universe as a disembodied soul in Hell, but this is in the wake of his original universe being completely destroyed. Not because of Roo like he and many others had been expecting, but because God was frustrated and just decided to destroy EVERYTHING. A whole universe, gone. Lucifer, Charlie, Vaggi, Lilith, his MOTHER, they're all gone, as though they never existed to begin with.

Alastor only survived because Roo liked him. And Roo liked him because unlike others, who she could only influence, whisper to, nudge along, she could SPEAK with him, and he could speak back without being corrupted. Almost as if he was made to be able to do so.

Perhaps he was, and this was God's mistake. Because it left Alastor with abilities that essentially allowed him to be a multidimensional blindspot, so long as he was trained to do it. And oh, of COURSE Roo trained him to do it. Anything that could potentially fuck over her jailor at some point in the future.

Unbeknownst to her, it's her teachings that allowed him to escape. And it is her teachings that allowed him to eventually reconstruct a body. Not the one he had in Hell previously, apparently the rules in this new universe don't allow appearances like that yet, but he could reconstruct his human body. It was a slow process, of course, but that meant very little, because time was extended in Hell, and the place seemed rather... barren. Nothing around to disturb him.

Once his body is constructed, he wanders around, and finds he doesn't quite like how THIS Hell is structured. Naturally, he does something about it, starts moving things around, shifting things, and in his slow exploration and organization of this empty Hell, he eventually comes across a Cage. One with a being so immense, so bright, he instantly realized based on biblical scripture who he was looking at.

The Light Bringer. The Morning Star. The Serpent.

A marked being whose mind is being warped... Well, lucky for him that Alastor can do something about that, with all his teachings. Of course, this Lucifer still thinks humans are filthy unworthy creatures, and Alastor truthfully kind of wants to punt his stupid face regardless of how enormous and unfathomable he is, (which honestly Lucifer is a little stunned by, what the fuck is wrong with this human??) but, well, Lucifer wasn't wrong for being angry at being told to submit.

Alastor's from the Jim Crow era south, he can understand the ugly feeling of being told you are LESSER, that you must bow your head to another. Lucifer just has a nasty problem of falling a little too close to the tree, because like God he ALSO seems to have an egomaniac problem that makes him think OTHERS should be considered lesser... (And Alastor can see that this attitude was exacerbated by the literal curse that God placed on his own damn kid, Yikes.)

Luckily, Lucifer's in a cage, and Alastor has all the time in the world to poke him back into having a brain. In fact, he has more time than he would have in the previous universe, given that time is MUCH slower in this Hell.

(Alastor could have totally just left him, but Lucifer is currently the only other being in Hell, and unfortunately Alastor already has a taste for Annoying Lucifer Specifically, even if this is a different version of his favorite mockery victim.)

This is essentially a canon divergence that leads to Supernatural verse getting a more Hazbin edge to it, in that Alastor "discovers" a way for holy and demonic beings to make themselves bodies without having to steal it from others (leading to a Hazbin Lucifer appearance), his direct influence leads to Lucifer creating the Seven Deadly Sins instead of the Four Princes of Hell, and Lucifer ABSOLUTELY becomes a major simp because Alastor Does Not Leave Him Alone, and he is, unfortunately, extremely charmed by this impossible human, despite all the teasing and mockery.

Because of Alastor being a blindspot, no one sees that he's essentially completely derailed all plans of the Winchesters being used as divine flesh suits and shattered any prophesies by way of giving Lucifer the ability to make whatever body he wants. Alastor's existence in the universe stops a lot of things really! He even prevents his birth in this universe by killing his shitbag father before he gets his horrible grubby hands on his mother. No doubles, and his mother remains safe and happy!

At some point he does tell Supernatural!Lucifer about the other universe, about how God simply decided to destroy everything on a whim, including this other version of Lucifer and Lucifer's daughter— and S!Lucifer quickly picks up that Alastor is genuinely upset about the destruction of this daughter. Because she shall NEVER exist in this universe.

To which S!Lucifer is like "bet" and decides he's going to get this human pregnant the second he escapes this cage. In fact, does he need to escape his cage, they could totally do it through the bars, c'mon darling he'll SO give you that baby girl, ask and you shall receive—

(Alastor also mentions other Lucifer's failures as a parent and S!Lucifer is like "I could so do better" but that definitely comes with a LOT of discussions and arguments and convincing.)

[periguita]

If the knowledge of creating bodies is from Alastor who shares it with Lucifer, does Heaven know how to create their own bodies? Is Jim Novak still going to be possessed by Castiel?

[that-hazbin]

Alastor doesn't really spread this information past Lucifer and a few loyal demons, and none of them are going to be spreading the word either. Heaven at this point does not know about this method and that's by design. If they knew Lucifer could make himself a perfect vessel, they would know that their prophesy has already been ruined.

Basically, it's only revealed when Lucifer manages to break out of his cage, and he's possessing a body that does NOT look 100% human. Again, he's taking a more Hazbin appearance, so he's got the sharp teeth, black claws, porcelain skin, red eyes. I also like the idea of him coming out in a blue ringleader outfit like his blue one from last year's pride merch, ready to put on a show.

Honestly I want him to look clearly inhuman, but also festive and fun, something that will come completely out of left field to the Winchesters and the angels. He's also going to be a lot different personality-wise because he does not want to actually end humanity anymore. Alastor is human, his daughter is half-human, and he very much truly loves them both. (Also his new body lets him taste human food like normal and damn okay humans know what the fuck they're doing clearly, this shit is FIRE)

Honestly, Lucifer is just going to be an extremely radical conservationist. His biggest gripe is just that he loves the earth, he thinks it's god's greatest creation, and he wants to preserve its beauty. And yeah, a lot of humans RUIN that, and that pisses him the fuck off, but there's ALSO a lot of humans who agree and want to preserve the earth too.

He's the Devil, silver-tongued and all. He just needs to shift to a more human look, make himself an identity, and it won't be long before he's the biggest name in green energy and conservation efforts. He doesn't need to take over humanity by force or violence, sure it would be faster but it would also leave scars.

He's still gonna kill a lot of people though, of course. Like, SO many politicians and CEOs across the world are dropping like flies, or getting possessed by demons, or being replaced or jailed. Charlie's disapproval isn't really gonna stop that, sorry sweetie, daddy's trying to save the planet and this was honestly the most peaceful way.

Wait whoops I went on a tangent here I'm sorry!!! Yes Jimmy still gets possessed by Castiel, but after the discovery that human possession isn't needed, he does let Jimmy go and gains the knowledge to create a body in a deal with Alastor.

Castiel just makes a copy of Jimmy because that's the body he's currently most familiar with. So Jimmy's got a new twin brother now I guess lmao. And he gets to go back home to his wife and daughter! (Who are understandably upset.)

[niobeaz]

So in this AU, is Azazel like, not out there killing moms and making creepy children? If so, how did the Winchesters get into hunting? If not, how is Azazel not digesting in Alastor's stomach? Is Azazel created at all given that Lucifer made the 6 other Sins instead of the 4 Princes of Hell?

[that-hazbin]

The thing is, Chuck is basically the director here. His story includes the Winchesters coming into existence, and when the 4 Princes aren't created, he's going to 1st, assume this is just a minor divergent path that might have had something to do with the fact that he just destroyed a universe with 7 Sins, perhaps this was his own doing, he WAS a bit distracted, and 2nd, make some adjustments to make sure the Winchesters happen no matter what. And they would have, of course. It's not like there wouldn't have been a million constigency plans if Azazel didn't pan out. There were a lot of constingencies for a LOT of the plan, not just Azazel.

[hamelin-born]

@that-hazbin @periguita

...to be honest, I now have the mental image of Heaven having no clue that this is going down. Meaning that they're operating according to the original Plan, whereas hell is - mainly not. The movers and pushers, that is, meaning that Azazel, who I've always considered as - well, frankly, not that big when it comes to the hierarchy of hell, still operates his off-the-books smite-worthy scheme. Meaning that things keep proceeding As Planned (as per canon) until the Cage is unlocked.

...at which point in time Lucifer shows up, royally pissed off because who the hell launched a formal summons for him during Date Night? He wasn't compelled to attend, of course not, but that was a really formal summons. It had weight. And he wants whoever did it to knock it off, because he has better things to do, really!

...thought. He's still short. So the Winchesters and Castiel are staring at a short, glaring, blatantly inhuman man who looks like he runs a circus part-time.

Meanwhile, Lucifer sees Cas and - oh, it makes sense now! Little brothers. Fucking little brothers, always disturbing you when you're busy...

[that-hazbin]

Correct!!! Heaven 100% has NO clue that the original plan is down the drain and HAS been down the drain for many millenia.

The Winchesters and Castiel are met with this 5'5" circus ringleader with a porcelain-like face, sharp teeth, red horns, a whiplike tail, and VISIBLE wings, scowling at them but not being terribly aggressive actually, mostly annoyed.

Then he sees Cas and actually rolls his damned eyes and starts loudly complaining about younger brothers, he thought he didn't need to deal with this shit anymore after he got disowned, come ON.

[hamelin-born]

@that-hazbin

Dean does Not Know How To React when the Devil Himself (?!?) starts ranting about little brothers always interrupting just when it's getting good, he was about to Get Some and if said little brother doesn't knock it off with the Formal Summons he is going to take steps - except said First Fallen breaks it off to squint at Castiel and ask why he's squished himself into a meatbag, that's disgusting.

Look. Come on. Pretty much everyone but the moronic bottom feeders use ethically-sourced bodies these days. Listen, he gets that said little brother - uh, what's your name again, because there's like literally a bazillion of you? - might be exploring his individuality and exploring his self-worth, but there's a difference between looking for yourself and looking for yourself hygienically.

Wait. Wait, do you not know how to make yourself a body? Fucking ME, kids these days -

[that-hazbin]

Lmao Lucifer is definitely being performative here bc he 100% knows that Alastor's "How To Make Yourself A Body" knowledge wasn't spread outside Hell but he HAS to be a smug lil dick about something. Has to make himself look like he's so smart and intelligent and better than angels these days, smh.

Love Lucifer asking for Castiel's name, there really are TOO MANY siblings in this family.

Dean meanwhile having an internal crisis about kinda sorta agreeing with The Devil's tirage abt little siblings rn LMAOO

[that-hazbin]

More SPN x HH au

1, Lucifer still makes himself fun-sized bc when he wraps his arms around Alastor his face is DIRECTLY in that chest and he can gently motorboat them 🥴

2, Charlie Morningstar is a Nephilim sired by an Archangel, and her existence is basically a Crime in heaven's eyes so she's strictly confined to Hell for the time being. Which, like, sucks for her since her parents are out skipping around earth all the time, but also this keeps her from being straight up slaughtered because she's "too powerful" or whatever.

3, Alastor at some point is going to tell Dean (and by proxy Castiel) "I do not have the mental and spiritual fortitude to deal with your bisexual drama right now." Sam is going to find this hilarious.

4, Gabriel's going to love Alastor. Lucifer is trying very, very hard not to be overly possessive when he finds out how much his younger brother is cozying up with his wife. It's fine! Everything's fine! He knows Alastor is 100% loyal to him and Gabriel WOULDN'T even think about stealing his wife so everything's FINE!

5, Castiel and his brothers in arms sort of already know that something is up with Hell from when they went down to "raise Dean from perdition." After Alastor's reorginization of Hell, it much more resembles Hazbin's idea of Hell than it does Supernatural's. Human souls are left to wander around and basically torture each other rather than there being demons doing the work. Of course, Castiel and his soldiers don't really care about this and only truly give a shit about accomplishing their mission, which they of course do.

6, No one really knows who tf Alastor is besides Lucifer. Lucifer is the ONLY person in existence who knows about Alastor's origins. No one knows how a (seemingly living??) human in Hell started interacting with Lucifer through his cage. No one knows where his abilities come from. No one knows how he became the Queen of Hell. You can't even tell from his soul what exactly is wrong with him, because again, he's a multidimensional celestial blindspot and he can CONTROL how he's perceived.

Lucifer is extremely smug about the fact that he is the only person in the know.

[niobeaz]

Just had this thought, but Lucifer definitely "gently" motorboats Alastor in public right? No way that guy has shame. At all. So I'm imagining Alastor is messing with the Winchesters, and being all dark and mysterious and ominous when all of a sudden a short weird circus themed dude appears out of nowhere to start motorboating Alastor. The excuse was the Sins were being annoying I assume lmao. Then later, the Winchesters find out that that weird guy was the MOTHERDUCKING KING OF HELL???? SIN OF PRIDE???? FIRST FALLEN ANGEL??? THE FULL ON DEVIL????

[that-hazbin]

Lmaoo yeah Lucifer have even less shame than Hazbin!Lucifer, man motorboats Alastor in front of the Winchesters and complains about Ozzie and Mam fighting over some top earning clown, and of course the hunters are gonna be like ????

And then Lucifer demonstrates even further how little shame he has when he starts talking about how he wants to "relieve" his stress with Alastor later.

At no point will Alastor call him Lucifer, he's going to call him my angel, and my dear, and darling. Then Lucifer disappears and no one knows who tf he was and Alastor ain't gonna say SHIT.

[niobeaz]

Oh my God the reveal needs to be at a BBEG final fight, just like some sort of weird condition that only an angel of the highest order can defeat the BBEG, and Alastor just goes: I got a guy. And then the Winchesters get to see the weird circus perv go all BE NOT AFRAID EXCEPT ACTUALLY BE VERY AFRAID IF YOU AREN'T ALASTOR, and Alastor is taking no questions and giving no answers. Either that or, Lucifer showing up to be a perv has happened multiple times yet he is somehow never there when either Castiel or Gabriel are also there (can't decide if I want unknowing innocent poor Castiel to suffer or Gabriel having to see his weird ass brother being all...sexual *shivers in disgust*) until one really mundane time, Lucifer appears, does his thing, finger guns at Castiel or Gabriel and disappears giving the other angel the feeling of a fever dream. Even better if they don't know that Lucifer is no longer all "murder all humanity cuz they're inferior" yet. Imagine the being you think of as the supreme evil showing up and motorboating and dirty talking your weird ominous mentor (who is definitely not parental in any way sHut uP Sammy!). Everyone is gonna have to do a lot of the thousand yard stare.

[that-hazbin]

I think my favorite is Lucifer just keeps coming back to be a massive perv and ends up exposing how much of a freak he is in front of BOTH Gabriel and Cas. I like Lucifer traumatizing his brothers in dumb ways lmaooo

[niobeaz]

A little trauma is good for the soul! Or, like, the Grace?

Also I imagine Alastor has been parentin-i mean manipulating with kindness Sam and Dean, so I have a feeling they are definitely constantly being traumatized (like they need anymore. They might prefer the monsters trying to kill them at this point). I wonder if Lucifer at some point does a punny dirty line about apple pie (cuz you know he would do apple puns and Alastor is reluctant to admit it but he's into the puns) that actually puts Dean off of apple pie for at least a week.

I also love the idea of Lucifer traumatizing his brothers, and I need so badly for this to be the first time they have seen him since the Fall, only for them to have to recheck that yes, that is actually Lucifer motorboating Gabriel's chaos friend and saying lines that would make Ozzie from the Hazbin verse blush. The confusion would be soooo sweet!

[that-hazbin]

Lucifer is a silly little TROLL, and he absolutely would make some filthy allegory to sex like kneading the dough and making apple pie something something, put a pie in the oven— DEAN IS SUFFERING. And of course Lucifer would know this bc Alastor would tell him at some point about Dean's love of pie. This is a DELIBERATE ATTACK.

And Gabriel finding out his silly goofy trickster friend is making out with his presumably genocidal older brother is going to WRECK HIS BRAIN.

[niobeaz]

Oh Alastor is definitely getting all the tea and telling Lucifer so Lucifer can traumatize the boys some. And maybe even vice versa? Alastor deciding to be a major flirt and make remarks that Lucifer definitely didn't tell him would freak out Gabriel anymore, why would he do that?

Their love language is fucking with other people

[that-hazbin]

More SPN x HH au

1, Lucifer still makes himself fun-sized bc when he wraps his arms around Alastor his face is DIRECTLY in that chest and he can gently motorboat them 🥴

2, Charlie Morningstar is a Nephilim sired by an Archangel, and her existence is basically a Crime in heaven's eyes so she's strictly confined to Hell for the time being. Which, like, sucks for her since her parents are out skipping around earth all the time, but also this keeps her from being straight up slaughtered because she's "too powerful" or whatever.

3, Alastor at some point is going to tell Dean (and by proxy Castiel) "I do not have the mental and spiritual fortitude to deal with your bisexual drama right now." Sam is going to find this hilarious.

4, Gabriel's going to love Alastor. Lucifer is trying very, very hard not to be overly possessive when he finds out how much his younger brother is cozying up with his wife. It's fine! Everything's fine! He knows Alastor is 100% loyal to him and Gabriel WOULDN'T even think about stealing his wife so everything's FINE!

5, Castiel and his brothers in arms sort of already know that something is up with Hell from when they went down to "raise Dean from perdition." After Alastor's reorginization of Hell, it much more resembles Hazbin's idea of Hell than it does Supernatural's. Human souls are left to wander around and basically torture each other rather than there being demons doing the work. Of course, Castiel and his soldiers don't really care about this and only truly give a shit about accomplishing their mission, which they of course do.

6, No one really knows who tf Alastor is besides Lucifer. Lucifer is the ONLY person in existence who knows about Alastor's origins. No one knows how a (seemingly living??) human in Hell started interacting with Lucifer through his cage. No one knows where his abilities come from. No one knows how he became the Queen of Hell. You can't even tell from his soul what exactly is wrong with him, because again, he's a multidimensional celestial blindspot and he can CONTROL how he's perceived.

Lucifer is extremely smug about the fact that he is the only person in the know.

[niobeaz]

Just had this thought, but Lucifer definitely "gently" motorboats Alastor in public right? No way that guy has shame. At all. So I'm imagining Alastor is messing with the Winchesters, and being all dark and mysterious and ominous when all of a sudden a short weird circus themed dude appears out of nowhere to start motorboating Alastor. The excuse was the Sins were being annoying I assume lmao. Then later, the Winchesters find out that that weird guy was the MOTHERDUCKING KING OF HELL???? SIN OF PRIDE???? FIRST FALLEN ANGEL??? THE FULL ON DEVIL????

[that-hazbin]

Lmaoo yeah Lucifer have even less shame than Hazbin!Lucifer, man motorboats Alastor in front of the Winchesters and complains about Ozzie and Mam fighting over some top earning clown, and of course the hunters are gonna be like ????

And then Lucifer demonstrates even further how little shame he has when he starts talking about how he wants to "relieve" his stress with Alastor later.

At no point will Alastor call him Lucifer, he's going to call him my angel, and my dear, and darling. Then Lucifer disappears and no one knows who tf he was and Alastor ain't gonna say SHIT.

[niobeaz]

Oh my God the reveal needs to be at a BBEG final fight, just like some sort of weird condition that only an angel of the highest order can defeat the BBEG, and Alastor just goes: I got a guy. And then the Winchesters get to see the weird circus perv go all BE NOT AFRAID EXCEPT ACTUALLY BE VERY AFRAID IF YOU AREN'T ALASTOR, and Alastor is taking no questions and giving no answers. Either that or, Lucifer showing up to be a perv has happened multiple times yet he is somehow never there when either Castiel or Gabriel are also there (can't decide if I want unknowing innocent poor Castiel to suffer or Gabriel having to see his weird ass brother being all...sexual *shivers in disgust*) until one really mundane time, Lucifer appears, does his thing, finger guns at Castiel or Gabriel and disappears giving the other angel the feeling of a fever dream. Even better if they don't know that Lucifer is no longer all "murder all humanity cuz they're inferior" yet. Imagine the being you think of as the supreme evil showing up and motorboating and dirty talking your weird ominous mentor (who is definitely not parental in any way sHut uP Sammy!). Everyone is gonna have to do a lot of the thousand yard stare.

[that-hazbin]

I think my favorite is Lucifer just keeps coming back to be a massive perv and ends up exposing how much of a freak he is in front of BOTH Gabriel and Cas. I like Lucifer traumatizing his brothers in dumb ways lmaooo

[niobeaz]

A little trauma is good for the soul! Or, like, the Grace?

Also I imagine Alastor has been parentin-i mean manipulating with kindness Sam and Dean, so I have a feeling they are definitely constantly being traumatized (like they need anymore. They might prefer the monsters trying to kill them at this point). I wonder if Lucifer at some point does a punny dirty line about apple pie (cuz you know he would do apple puns and Alastor is reluctant to admit it but he's into the puns) that actually puts Dean off of apple pie for at least a week.

I also love the idea of Lucifer traumatizing his brothers, and I need so badly for this to be the first time they have seen him since the Fall, only for them to have to recheck that yes, that is actually Lucifer motorboating Gabriel's chaos friend and saying lines that would make Ozzie from the Hazbin verse blush. The confusion would be soooo sweet!

[that-hazbin]

Came back bc fic idea wiggled into my mind

Essentially a Supernatural x Hazbin Hotel crossover, taking some inspiration from @kitsunesongs' Double Entry AU, specifically Fatherverse Lucifer again.

If y'all don't know Supernatural lore, I'll explain some to you because some of it seems VERY similar to Double Entry's fatherverse, with smaller key differences. (On that note, this may be spoilers for Double Entry so READ THAT FIRST, GO READ IT, GO!)

In Supernatural, instead of Roo, God wages war against Amara, his opposite, who cannot resist destroying anything he creates. Like Double Entry, God locks Amara away, except in Supernatural he leaves the lock with his most beloved angel, Lucifer. This lock is a Mark, and God has essentially cursed Lucifer to be slowly corrupted by Amara's influence over time.

It is this influence that ultimately led to Lucifer's rage, envy, and disgust when God created humanity and told the angels to bow to them. It's this influence that led to Lucifer refusing to bow and leading a rebellion. Those feelings would have still been there most likely, but nowhere near as deep without Amara whispering into his ear.

NOW. Back to the story idea.

Alastor gets transported into the Supernatural universe as a disembodied soul in Hell, but this is in the wake of his original universe being completely destroyed. Not because of Roo like he and many others had been expecting, but because God was frustrated and just decided to destroy EVERYTHING. A whole universe, gone. Lucifer, Charlie, Vaggi, Lilith, his MOTHER, they're all gone, as though they never existed to begin with.

Alastor only survived because Roo liked him. And Roo liked him because unlike others, who she could only influence, whisper to, nudge along, she could SPEAK with him, and he could speak back without being corrupted. Almost as if he was made to be able to do so.

Perhaps he was, and this was God's mistake. Because it left Alastor with abilities that essentially allowed him to be a multidimensional blindspot, so long as he was trained to do it. And oh, of COURSE Roo trained him to do it. Anything that could potentially fuck over her jailor at some point in the future.

Unbeknownst to her, it's her teachings that allowed him to escape. And it is her teachings that allowed him to eventually reconstruct a body. Not the one he had in Hell previously, apparently the rules in this new universe don't allow appearances like that yet, but he could reconstruct his human body. It was a slow process, of course, but that meant very little, because time was extended in Hell, and the place seemed rather... barren. Nothing around to disturb him.

Once his body is constructed, he wanders around, and finds he doesn't quite like how THIS Hell is structured. Naturally, he does something about it, starts moving things around, shifting things, and in his slow exploration and organization of this empty Hell, he eventually comes across a Cage. One with a being so immense, so bright, he instantly realized based on biblical scripture who he was looking at.

The Light Bringer. The Morning Star. The Serpent.

A marked being whose mind is being warped... Well, lucky for him that Alastor can do something about that, with all his teachings. Of course, this Lucifer still thinks humans are filthy unworthy creatures, and Alastor truthfully kind of wants to punt his stupid face regardless of how enormous and unfathomable he is, (which honestly Lucifer is a little stunned by, what the fuck is wrong with this human??) but, well, Lucifer wasn't wrong for being angry at being told to submit.

Alastor's from the Jim Crow era south, he can understand the ugly feeling of being told you are LESSER, that you must bow your head to another. Lucifer just has a nasty problem of falling a little too close to the tree, because like God he ALSO seems to have an egomaniac problem that makes him think OTHERS should be considered lesser... (And Alastor can see that this attitude was exacerbated by the literal curse that God placed on his own damn kid, Yikes.)

Luckily, Lucifer's in a cage, and Alastor has all the time in the world to poke him back into having a brain. In fact, he has more time than he would have in the previous universe, given that time is MUCH slower in this Hell.

(Alastor could have totally just left him, but Lucifer is currently the only other being in Hell, and unfortunately Alastor already has a taste for Annoying Lucifer Specifically, even if this is a different version of his favorite mockery victim.)

This is essentially a canon divergence that leads to Supernatural verse getting a more Hazbin edge to it, in that Alastor "discovers" a way for holy and demonic beings to make themselves bodies without having to steal it from others (leading to a Hazbin Lucifer appearance), his direct influence leads to Lucifer creating the Seven Deadly Sins instead of the Four Princes of Hell, and Lucifer ABSOLUTELY becomes a major simp because Alastor Does Not Leave Him Alone, and he is, unfortunately, extremely charmed by this impossible human, despite all the teasing and mockery.

Because of Alastor being a blindspot, no one sees that he's essentially completely derailed all plans of the Winchesters being used as divine flesh suits and shattered any prophesies by way of giving Lucifer the ability to make whatever body he wants. Alastor's existence in the universe stops a lot of things really! He even prevents his birth in this universe by killing his shitbag father before he gets his horrible grubby hands on his mother. No doubles, and his mother remains safe and happy!

At some point he does tell Supernatural!Lucifer about the other universe, about how God simply decided to destroy everything on a whim, including this other version of Lucifer and Lucifer's daughter— and S!Lucifer quickly picks up that Alastor is genuinely upset about the destruction of this daughter. Because she shall NEVER exist in this universe.

To which S!Lucifer is like "bet" and decides he's going to get this human pregnant the second he escapes this cage. In fact, does he need to escape his cage, they could totally do it through the bars, c'mon darling he'll SO give you that baby girl, ask and you shall receive—

(Alastor also mentions other Lucifer's failures as a parent and S!Lucifer is like "I could so do better" but that definitely comes with a LOT of discussions and arguments and convincing.)

[periguita]

If the knowledge of creating bodies is from Alastor who shares it with Lucifer, does Heaven know how to create their own bodies? Is Jim Novak still going to be possessed by Castiel?

[that-hazbin]

Alastor doesn't really spread this information past Lucifer and a few loyal demons, and none of them are going to be spreading the word either. Heaven at this point does not know about this method and that's by design. If they knew Lucifer could make himself a perfect vessel, they would know that their prophesy has already been ruined.

Basically, it's only revealed when Lucifer manages to break out of his cage, and he's possessing a body that does NOT look 100% human. Again, he's taking a more Hazbin appearance, so he's got the sharp teeth, black claws, porcelain skin, red eyes. I also like the idea of him coming out in a blue ringleader outfit like his blue one from last year's pride merch, ready to put on a show.

Honestly I want him to look clearly inhuman, but also festive and fun, something that will come completely out of left field to the Winchesters and the angels. He's also going to be a lot different personality-wise because he does not want to actually end humanity anymore. Alastor is human, his daughter is half-human, and he very much truly loves them both. (Also his new body lets him taste human food like normal and damn okay humans know what the fuck they're doing clearly, this shit is FIRE)

Honestly, Lucifer is just going to be an extremely radical conservationist. His biggest gripe is just that he loves the earth, he thinks it's god's greatest creation, and he wants to preserve its beauty. And yeah, a lot of humans RUIN that, and that pisses him the fuck off, but there's ALSO a lot of humans who agree and want to preserve the earth too.

He's the Devil, silver-tongued and all. He just needs to shift to a more human look, make himself an identity, and it won't be long before he's the biggest name in green energy and conservation efforts. He doesn't need to take over humanity by force or violence, sure it would be faster but it would also leave scars.

He's still gonna kill a lot of people though, of course. Like, SO many politicians and CEOs across the world are dropping like flies, or getting possessed by demons, or being replaced or jailed. Charlie's disapproval isn't really gonna stop that, sorry sweetie, daddy's trying to save the planet and this was honestly the most peaceful way.

Wait whoops I went on a tangent here I'm sorry!!! Yes Jimmy still gets possessed by Castiel, but after the discovery that human possession isn't needed, he does let Jimmy go and gains the knowledge to create a body in a deal with Alastor.

Castiel just makes a copy of Jimmy because that's the body he's currently most familiar with. So Jimmy's got a new twin brother now I guess lmao. And he gets to go back home to his wife and daughter! (Who are understandably upset.)

[niobeaz]

So in this AU, is Azazel like, not out there killing moms and making creepy children? If so, how did the Winchesters get into hunting? If not, how is Azazel not digesting in Alastor's stomach? Is Azazel created at all given that Lucifer made the 6 other Sins instead of the 4 Princes of Hell?

[that-hazbin]

The thing is, Chuck is basically the director here. His story includes the Winchesters coming into existence, and when the 4 Princes aren't created, he's going to 1st, assume this is just a minor divergent path that might have had something to do with the fact that he just destroyed a universe with 7 Sins, perhaps this was his own doing, he WAS a bit distracted, and 2nd, make some adjustments to make sure the Winchesters happen no matter what. And they would have, of course. It's not like there wouldn't have been a million constigency plans if Azazel didn't pan out. There were a lot of constingencies for a LOT of the plan, not just Azazel.

[hamelin-born]

@that-hazbin @periguita

...to be honest, I now have the mental image of Heaven having no clue that this is going down. Meaning that they're operating according to the original Plan, whereas hell is - mainly not. The movers and pushers, that is, meaning that Azazel, who I've always considered as - well, frankly, not that big when it comes to the hierarchy of hell, still operates his off-the-books smite-worthy scheme. Meaning that things keep proceeding As Planned (as per canon) until the Cage is unlocked.

...at which point in time Lucifer shows up, royally pissed off because who the hell launched a formal summons for him during Date Night? He wasn't compelled to attend, of course not, but that was a really formal summons. It had weight. And he wants whoever did it to knock it off, because he has better things to do, really!

...thought. He's still short. So the Winchesters and Castiel are staring at a short, glaring, blatantly inhuman man who looks like he runs a circus part-time.

Meanwhile, Lucifer sees Cas and - oh, it makes sense now! Little brothers. Fucking little brothers, always disturbing you when you're busy...

[periguita]

Then Alastor tracks Lucifer down and they are really Morticia and Gomez-ing it regardless of the audience. You know the black comedy seduction romance with too many sharp and pointy objects.

Alastor looking like this beautifully androgynous human but clearly isn’t a human has Team Free Will and later Heaven scrambling to find out how to deal with this new variable.

Maybe in some obscure books has Alastor as an Executioner instead of Queen because of misunderstandings/mistranslation/misdirections.

[niobeaz]

I mean..pretty sure Executioner is Alastor's hobby so...like not inaccurate probably?

[periguita]

Plus it’s not like he wears a crown so any witnesses would see not a Queen but an Executioner by his first impression and actions.

[niobeaz]

I bet he prefers the title of Executioner honestly. Meanwhile Lucifer is showing up anytime he can to shove a new crown on Alastor in hopes he'll KEEP this one (yes at least one has ducks)

[that-hazbin]

Came back bc fic idea wiggled into my mind

Essentially a Supernatural x Hazbin Hotel crossover, taking some inspiration from @kitsunesongs' Double Entry AU, specifically Fatherverse Lucifer again.

If y'all don't know Supernatural lore, I'll explain some to you because some of it seems VERY similar to Double Entry's fatherverse, with smaller key differences. (On that note, this may be spoilers for Double Entry so READ THAT FIRST, GO READ IT, GO!)

In Supernatural, instead of Roo, God wages war against Amara, his opposite, who cannot resist destroying anything he creates. Like Double Entry, God locks Amara away, except in Supernatural he leaves the lock with his most beloved angel, Lucifer. This lock is a Mark, and God has essentially cursed Lucifer to be slowly corrupted by Amara's influence over time.

It is this influence that ultimately led to Lucifer's rage, envy, and disgust when God created humanity and told the angels to bow to them. It's this influence that led to Lucifer refusing to bow and leading a rebellion. Those feelings would have still been there most likely, but nowhere near as deep without Amara whispering into his ear.

NOW. Back to the story idea.

Alastor gets transported into the Supernatural universe as a disembodied soul in Hell, but this is in the wake of his original universe being completely destroyed. Not because of Roo like he and many others had been expecting, but because God was frustrated and just decided to destroy EVERYTHING. A whole universe, gone. Lucifer, Charlie, Vaggi, Lilith, his MOTHER, they're all gone, as though they never existed to begin with.

Alastor only survived because Roo liked him. And Roo liked him because unlike others, who she could only influence, whisper to, nudge along, she could SPEAK with him, and he could speak back without being corrupted. Almost as if he was made to be able to do so.

Perhaps he was, and this was God's mistake. Because it left Alastor with abilities that essentially allowed him to be a multidimensional blindspot, so long as he was trained to do it. And oh, of COURSE Roo trained him to do it. Anything that could potentially fuck over her jailor at some point in the future.

Unbeknownst to her, it's her teachings that allowed him to escape. And it is her teachings that allowed him to eventually reconstruct a body. Not the one he had in Hell previously, apparently the rules in this new universe don't allow appearances like that yet, but he could reconstruct his human body. It was a slow process, of course, but that meant very little, because time was extended in Hell, and the place seemed rather... barren. Nothing around to disturb him.

Once his body is constructed, he wanders around, and finds he doesn't quite like how THIS Hell is structured. Naturally, he does something about it, starts moving things around, shifting things, and in his slow exploration and organization of this empty Hell, he eventually comes across a Cage. One with a being so immense, so bright, he instantly realized based on biblical scripture who he was looking at.

The Light Bringer. The Morning Star. The Serpent.

A marked being whose mind is being warped... Well, lucky for him that Alastor can do something about that, with all his teachings. Of course, this Lucifer still thinks humans are filthy unworthy creatures, and Alastor truthfully kind of wants to punt his stupid face regardless of how enormous and unfathomable he is, (which honestly Lucifer is a little stunned by, what the fuck is wrong with this human??) but, well, Lucifer wasn't wrong for being angry at being told to submit.

Alastor's from the Jim Crow era south, he can understand the ugly feeling of being told you are LESSER, that you must bow your head to another. Lucifer just has a nasty problem of falling a little too close to the tree, because like God he ALSO seems to have an egomaniac problem that makes him think OTHERS should be considered lesser... (And Alastor can see that this attitude was exacerbated by the literal curse that God placed on his own damn kid, Yikes.)

Luckily, Lucifer's in a cage, and Alastor has all the time in the world to poke him back into having a brain. In fact, he has more time than he would have in the previous universe, given that time is MUCH slower in this Hell.

(Alastor could have totally just left him, but Lucifer is currently the only other being in Hell, and unfortunately Alastor already has a taste for Annoying Lucifer Specifically, even if this is a different version of his favorite mockery victim.)

This is essentially a canon divergence that leads to Supernatural verse getting a more Hazbin edge to it, in that Alastor "discovers" a way for holy and demonic beings to make themselves bodies without having to steal it from others (leading to a Hazbin Lucifer appearance), his direct influence leads to Lucifer creating the Seven Deadly Sins instead of the Four Princes of Hell, and Lucifer ABSOLUTELY becomes a major simp because Alastor Does Not Leave Him Alone, and he is, unfortunately, extremely charmed by this impossible human, despite all the teasing and mockery.

Because of Alastor being a blindspot, no one sees that he's essentially completely derailed all plans of the Winchesters being used as divine flesh suits and shattered any prophesies by way of giving Lucifer the ability to make whatever body he wants. Alastor's existence in the universe stops a lot of things really! He even prevents his birth in this universe by killing his shitbag father before he gets his horrible grubby hands on his mother. No doubles, and his mother remains safe and happy!

At some point he does tell Supernatural!Lucifer about the other universe, about how God simply decided to destroy everything on a whim, including this other version of Lucifer and Lucifer's daughter— and S!Lucifer quickly picks up that Alastor is genuinely upset about the destruction of this daughter. Because she shall NEVER exist in this universe.

To which S!Lucifer is like "bet" and decides he's going to get this human pregnant the second he escapes this cage. In fact, does he need to escape his cage, they could totally do it through the bars, c'mon darling he'll SO give you that baby girl, ask and you shall receive—

(Alastor also mentions other Lucifer's failures as a parent and S!Lucifer is like "I could so do better" but that definitely comes with a LOT of discussions and arguments and convincing.)

[periguita]

If the knowledge of creating bodies is from Alastor who shares it with Lucifer, does Heaven know how to create their own bodies? Is Jim Novak still going to be possessed by Castiel?

[that-hazbin]

Alastor doesn't really spread this information past Lucifer and a few loyal demons, and none of them are going to be spreading the word either. Heaven at this point does not know about this method and that's by design. If they knew Lucifer could make himself a perfect vessel, they would know that their prophesy has already been ruined.

Basically, it's only revealed when Lucifer manages to break out of his cage, and he's possessing a body that does NOT look 100% human. Again, he's taking a more Hazbin appearance, so he's got the sharp teeth, black claws, porcelain skin, red eyes. I also like the idea of him coming out in a blue ringleader outfit like his blue one from last year's pride merch, ready to put on a show.

Honestly I want him to look clearly inhuman, but also festive and fun, something that will come completely out of left field to the Winchesters and the angels. He's also going to be a lot different personality-wise because he does not want to actually end humanity anymore. Alastor is human, his daughter is half-human, and he very much truly loves them both. (Also his new body lets him taste human food like normal and damn okay humans know what the fuck they're doing clearly, this shit is FIRE)

Honestly, Lucifer is just going to be an extremely radical conservationist. His biggest gripe is just that he loves the earth, he thinks it's god's greatest creation, and he wants to preserve its beauty. And yeah, a lot of humans RUIN that, and that pisses him the fuck off, but there's ALSO a lot of humans who agree and want to preserve the earth too.

He's the Devil, silver-tongued and all. He just needs to shift to a more human look, make himself an identity, and it won't be long before he's the biggest name in green energy and conservation efforts. He doesn't need to take over humanity by force or violence, sure it would be faster but it would also leave scars.

He's still gonna kill a lot of people though, of course. Like, SO many politicians and CEOs across the world are dropping like flies, or getting possessed by demons, or being replaced or jailed. Charlie's disapproval isn't really gonna stop that, sorry sweetie, daddy's trying to save the planet and this was honestly the most peaceful way.

Wait whoops I went on a tangent here I'm sorry!!! Yes Jimmy still gets possessed by Castiel, but after the discovery that human possession isn't needed, he does let Jimmy go and gains the knowledge to create a body in a deal with Alastor.

Castiel just makes a copy of Jimmy because that's the body he's currently most familiar with. So Jimmy's got a new twin brother now I guess lmao. And he gets to go back home to his wife and daughter! (Who are understandably upset.)

[niobeaz]

So in this AU, is Azazel like, not out there killing moms and making creepy children? If so, how did the Winchesters get into hunting? If not, how is Azazel not digesting in Alastor's stomach? Is Azazel created at all given that Lucifer made the 6 other Sins instead of the 4 Princes of Hell?

[that-hazbin]

The thing is, Chuck is basically the director here. His story includes the Winchesters coming into existence, and when the 4 Princes aren't created, he's going to 1st, assume this is just a minor divergent path that might have had something to do with the fact that he just destroyed a universe with 7 Sins, perhaps this was his own doing, he WAS a bit distracted, and 2nd, make some adjustments to make sure the Winchesters happen no matter what. And they would have, of course. It's not like there wouldn't have been a million constigency plans if Azazel didn't pan out. There were a lot of constingencies for a LOT of the plan, not just Azazel.

[hamelin-born]

@that-hazbin @periguita

...to be honest, I now have the mental image of Heaven having no clue that this is going down. Meaning that they're operating according to the original Plan, whereas hell is - mainly not. The movers and pushers, that is, meaning that Azazel, who I've always considered as - well, frankly, not that big when it comes to the hierarchy of hell, still operates his off-the-books smite-worthy scheme. Meaning that things keep proceeding As Planned (as per canon) until the Cage is unlocked.

...at which point in time Lucifer shows up, royally pissed off because who the hell launched a formal summons for him during Date Night? He wasn't compelled to attend, of course not, but that was a really formal summons. It had weight. And he wants whoever did it to knock it off, because he has better things to do, really!

...thought. He's still short. So the Winchesters and Castiel are staring at a short, glaring, blatantly inhuman man who looks like he runs a circus part-time.

Meanwhile, Lucifer sees Cas and - oh, it makes sense now! Little brothers. Fucking little brothers, always disturbing you when you're busy...

[periguita]

Then Alastor tracks Lucifer down and they are really Morticia and Gomez-ing it regardless of the audience. You know the black comedy seduction romance with too many sharp and pointy objects.

Alastor looking like this beautifully androgynous human but clearly isn’t a human has Team Free Will and later Heaven scrambling to find out how to deal with this new variable.

Maybe in some obscure books has Alastor as an Executioner instead of Queen because of misunderstandings/mistranslation/misdirections.

[niobeaz]

I mean..pretty sure Executioner is Alastor's hobby so...like not inaccurate probably?