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i have come to the conclusion that participating with online discourse is a waste of precious time. i will be returning to civilization to interact with real, live people in person and maybe sometimes play some video games. i encourage all of you to consider this too. talk to your therapist.
how fiction becomes reality (and why it’s not)
a post has been going around for a while wherein an anti-[ship] blog declares that fiction IS reality. Mostly I see it being mocked, but it’s actually the truth:
for people who conflate fiction and reality, fictional depictions of csa, rape, and abuse are, in fact, just as horrible as committing csa, rape, or abuse on real people in real life.
these are the people who say, ‘how can you support csa, rape, and abuse?’ when discussing fanworks about these things. They are the ones who want to protect fictional beings from being abused by real creators. For them, reality and fiction are exactly the same.
this is factually incorrect for a few reasons:
1) csa, rape, abuse, and other crimes of this kind are considered particularly horrible because they take a human’s power over their own person away from them. doing something to someone else’s body or mind without their consent is the grossest violation of human rights. (Murder also falls into this category.) conversely, to commit csa, rape, or abuse requires a victim to take power from. fictional depictions of these crimes do not take power from anyone because:
2) fictional characters, which are not real, cannot be hurt by being depicted in brutal situations that would hurt real people in the same situation. therefore the act of depicting them is actually harmless: there are no victims when the subjects are fictional.
3) when properly warned for, sharing a depiction of an abusive relationship on the internet is a consensual experience. the shared piece of fiction cannot force anyone to view it. the warnings act like a discussion of consent: by clicking past them, a viewer agrees to the terms. the back button acts like a safe word; the viewer can, at any time, decide to no longer participate.
If you cannot tell the difference between a fictional character being victimized and a real person being victimized, it is possible that fandom may not be a safe space for you in general.
i think the issue is when it’s being written and it’s being romanticized or its. being written as a fetish or kink. or when it isn’t being tagged. because real CSA and rape and incest survivors like me don’t appreciate reading something and suddenly wow that sure is a kid being abused, or somebody being sexually assaulted, or wow that’s a rape scene written as if its supposed to be sexy! yikes!! sure does take me back to the Bad Old Days!!
‘if you can’t tell the difference between a fictional character being victimized and a real person being victimized’ idk i mean im gonna guess its more that victims and survivors just don’t appreciate seeing shit like this in fandom 1. without a warning or 2. sexualized/romanticized/etc. or 3. if it’s written extremely graphically, because there’s really not much reason to do that imo???
like. i see you’re noting that things should be tagged properly and yes, they should. i personally will tolerate this kidna stuff if it’s tagged to hell and back, but that doesn’t mean at all that i, as a survivor of severe, incestuous CSA and of rape, like seeing it at all.
i guess basically there’s a HUGE difference between ppl shipping incest and CSA and writing graphic rape scenes for fetishes, and people writing bad things happening to characters to see them recover and see how they react to this kind of stress.
There is zero excuse for ever not tagging or warning for any fic that will have potentially sensitive or triggering material, because people who don’t want to see it should never be able to accidentally stumble into viewing such things unexpectedly. And I understand how upsetting you may find this material and don’t want to dismiss the horrors you’ve been through. You have every reason to be bothered by these fics. (and hey, there’s experiences I’ve been through that make me not want to see certain types of fic, too.)
But both you and I have to acknowledge two things:
–this fic might be harmful to us, but it may be helpful to somebody else for equally valid reasons –a properly warned-for fic containing rape, incest, abuse, etc, no matter what context the dark content is presented in, cannot harm anybody without their consent.
I have some questions for you: how can you tell when someone is writing for ‘fetish or kink’ as opposed to, say, writing for the catharsis of it? Or just really bad at writing despite trying to be sensitive? How can you be sure that someone who is ‘romanticizing’ a rape scene isn’t someone who was a victim themselves and is now turning a noncon experience into a positive, titillating experience to help them deal with their lack of power during their own attack? How can you differentiate between the person who is going into graphic detail because they delight in the pain of it and the person going into graphic detail because they need to exorcise a hellish experience of their own? There’s no way to know unless you can look inside the author’s head. And there’s no way to know if any of their readers are reading for titillation of their own or to deal with their own mental hell. Isn’t it cruel to take away works that might help a person on the off chance that somebody else will read it for reasons that disgust you?
supposing that the writer only wrote for their own pleasure and their readers are all reading for pleasure only: how does that harm you or me? The stories aren’t about the experiences of real victims; they are fictional. They aren’t reliving somebody’s real trauma for their own enjoyment. There is no victim. It is silly to assume that people who read fictional darkfic for pleasure would get the same pleasure out of the contents happening to a real person; we don’t interact with fiction the way we interact with reality, or fiction would be much less imaginative in general.
And let us consider a moment such a tagged, warned-for fic. Suppose the entirety of the contents make hideous sexual abuse sound desirable and fun. Aren’t the tags making it clear that the contents are not actually desirable or fun? Isn’t the warning enough to make it clear that the fic’s portrayal is, in a way, a lie, and that the author - and all who click through the warnings - understand that the abuse in the story is actually dangerous and harmful?
And realistically speaking, are a few poorly-written or titillating darkfics going to successfully normalize or romanticize csa and abuse, despite how society condemns these things as bad (even if we struggle to deal with fixing it)? Despite how many people in fandom are themselves victims or know victims, and how much material is constantly bringing awareness of these harmful things to the forefront?
It may bother you to know such fics exist, but other people need them to exist - for any number of reasons under the sun. And even people who don’t need them to exist are allowed to enjoy them, as long as they understand that what they enjoy in fiction is terrible when it happens in real life.
Don’t take my word for it - here’s a blog full of survivors talking about how darkfic and shipping helps them. Here’s a survivor talking about how regulating fictional content doesn’t make them feels safe. and here’s a victim in my own blog saying how works that people think are fetishistic in particular helps them cope.
Basically: fandom has to allow for people who have a different feeling towards fics that disgust some fans, and let them have the things they need or enjoy.
Nothing like anti/pro ship discourse to make me violently return to the real world. You guys have fun I'm gonna like do my homework and make eye contact with my family. Maybe even play a board game.
We played Puns of Anarchy and I ate some home cooked pizza. Highly recommended.
Nothing like anti/pro ship discourse to make me violently return to the real world. You guys have fun I'm gonna like do my homework and make eye contact with my family. Maybe even play a board game.
when ur in the lgbt group, looking for support and soildarity against ur significant material oppression, and they start talking about how 'that sometimes gays and lesbians are really mean' and 'oh ur bi,,, interesting,,, im qu**r pan, which is just short because my full id is so complex, thanks for asking' and 'it sucks being binary trans but at least they have binary privilege!'
@davinky i deadset based this on MY UNI'S lgbt grouo ahsgdfaadgjds
There was an LGBT support group at the residential ED treatment center I went to. We weren't required to out ourselves, we only had to give name and pronouns and I found it really therapeutic to talk about the dichotomy of my masculinity and my eating disorder and how going back into the closet as a trans person really led to most of my food problems.
Anyway, one person there was heterosexual pan-platonic. Nice person, but it was jarring and I kinda felt unsafe talking about gender and my love of women in front of someone who had said "I could never imagined myself in a relationship with a woman, the idea of sex or kissing with a woman is gross but I might have a female soulmate."
[image description: screenshot of tumblr post. It contains two paragraphs, the first being in a fancy font, the second in a serif font. It reads, "You're just mad because I don't see people as purely sexual objects to use for my own gratification because I see them as their own individual people with their own wants and needs.
"Cry about it to reddit, why don't you. Stop wasting my fucking time."
End ID].
I really love the font change and the implication that only ace people are capable of love outside of sex. Way to stick it to those nasty allos /s.
1. Not the criteria
2. If you’re LGBT you can’t just choose to not be, we aren’t a club
[Image description: text on top of an asexual flag that reads “For asexuals, sex is like… a donut. When we see a donut, we do not have the urge to eat the donut. This does not necessarily mean we hate the donut, or think the donut is disgusting- many of us even like donuts. But we never have any urge to walk over there and eat it. Demisexuals will have the urge to eat the donut only if it their absolute favourite kind of donut in the whole world, and greysexuals sometimes will have the urge to get the donut, and sometimes not. Celibates are on diets.” End description]
LMAO i love food analogies they’re so fucking funny
~Mod Pluto
thought i’d make a helpful guide since yall knobheads don’t know how slurs work
So, basically, according to you, ace/aro people don’t exist. Did I get that right.
@scrat-is-god i don’t know where in the original post op says or infers that at all, but i thought I’d edit it so it’s more inclusive ^-^
~Mod Pluto
lgbt rep on television, otherwise known as:
the dead lesbian
the token gay
the suffering bisexual
the non-existent trans person
#note: the suffering bisexual isnt allowed to use the word ‘bisexual’
this sounds like the basis for a superhero team
an undead lesbian hero who has the power of immortality
a gay hero who can copy themselves over and over and appear as a “token” in other people’s lives, gathering important information
a bisexual hero impervious to pain who can invoke the powers of ice and fire by saying a certain incantation word
a trans hero who can warp spacetime and travel transdimentionally in and out of our current universe
I see the asexual’s power of invisibility remain as strong as ever
This is a post for LGBT people.
Let’s ignore allobitch and her aphobia, shall we? Now for the important part:
an asexual who can completely disappear, not only visually but also physically, making them the ultimate infiltrator
Why do asexuals like to insert themselves into other peoples shit. They’re like the annoying kid in the class room no one likes that just randomly shows up at your lunch table and starts talking about themselves and everyone’s like who the fuck invited this fuckass
I don't consider myself a radfem (at least not currently) but I do think some radical feminist ideas on gender hold water. Like I personally consider myself to be a dysphoric female because no amount of transition can take away the 19 years I spent living life perceived as a woman and even playing the social role of a female. I might be able to grow into a creature others call a man but I won't ever erase those years and years I was a woman. For me at least, that's okay. When I approach my gender dysphoria treatment, I'm going to use transition as a last ditch effort if other forms of therapy don't do it for me.
you guys realise you’re gonna have to let the mcelroys go right
idk goblin-boy-feral-girl why don’t you do something crazy like check the notes of the fucking post
Can’t read. Meat too large.
cant read got your racism blockers on kill yourself
^^ this
What's Tumblr suicide bating a user for today? The answer may surprise you.
Vegans who are vegan because “but the earth” and “but the farmers” and “but the animals” and all this other hoity-toity nonsense and not just because they can’t or don’t wanna eat meat/animal products make me fuckin tired man.
Okay I’m not off this bullshit yet.
The thing is, I’ve got zero issues if you personally don’t like meat or animal products, or if you’re unable to eat them. Or if you just don’t want to! You can eat whatever you like, and you shouldn’t be forced to eat something you don’t.
But what gets under my skin is when people start trying to one-up each other about why they’re vegan, and start advocating for everyone else to do it, and start calling farmers abusive and not giving a fuck about the sustainability of their diets.
Because the rub is that not every farmer’s field is right for every crop. Where I live, the soil is full of clay and sand, and fields often flood. Our fields support corn, beans, wheat, grass, and root veggies super well! But… there are plenty of foods it doesn’t support. And you have to remember that farmer’s income depends on their crop yielding as much as possible. For a small farm, trying to grow something that their soil isn’t made for requires thousands of dollars of manure and topsoil. It’s not something they can do easily. Farmers don’t see money for their efforts until they harvest and sell it. They have to get max product.
It’s hard to get a balanced diet on just plants. And while animals are their own challenge to farm, often they are the best use of the land a farmer has. You can grow cattle enough to sustain yourself on way less land than a farmer who grows corn or wheat. Chickens are easy to raise and care for humanely, the only real limiting factor is how much space you have in your yard and how you plan to feed them. Animals don’t require a specific ph of soil or a certain nitrogen content. And their manure can be composted and sold to other farmers for their fields.
This is a system that works, and the only reason we hear about animals facing abuse in farms is because huge farms care more about maximum profit and less about animal welfare.
Which isn’t to say every big company mistreats animals either - most livestocks are extremely susceptible to disease, death, and stunted growth when put into poor conditions. Unfortunately for chickens, they tend not to stop growing when stressed, and that has led big companies to abuse them.
But the point is that it’s not only possible to raise livestock humanely, it’s one of the best ways to get good quality products from them. A mistreated, malnourished cow won’t produce as much milk as one that is well taken care of. A laying hen under stress will not lay. And excluding chickens, most animals grown for meat will not eat properly when overly stressed.
It also seems like vegans seem to think that animals are only raised for their products and meat, when their hides, feathers, and bones are all usually used as well. And I hate to be that guy, but an item made of leather is going to last you so much longer than one made of plastic, and will break down once used as well.
Plus, they often seem to disreguard the fact that many types of animals benefit from our farming them. Bees, for example, aren’t native to North America but are now one of its biggest pollinatiors. And they’re dying, for reasons we don’t know. But beekeeping helps protect those bees. Often, when bees fill a hive’s available space with honey, they get stressed and start wanting to swarm and find a new place. By removing slate of honey from a hive, a beekeeper prevents that. Plus, bees always make more honey than they need, and if they have too much they may get stressed and want to split, which can lead to the death of the hive.
Not to mention that popular vegan foods are not sustainable. Agave nectar comes from a cactus that takes nearly 100 years to grow, and it is being consumed faster than it can repopulate. Quinoa is a grain that’s currently being farmed mostly using extremely exploitatative labor.
And that being vegan is both expensive and is full of foods that are common allergens, like nuts, soy, wheat, and so on.
“But if we all just used that land to farm, we could end hunger!”
No, you can’t. Because we have enough food to feed everyone. We have so much food! Way more than we need. So much that we toss out the food that looks ugly even if it isn’t bad. The reason people go hungry is because of Food Deserts. I live in a food desert. It’s an area where food isn’t sold in many places and is often expensive. The nearest grocery store to me is at least 15 minutes away if I want fresh food. Food deserts are why people are starving. Not because of a lack of food. Meat here is much cheaper than vegan alternatives, and is more widely available.
Veganism has become something of a scourge to me and where I live, which is heavily farmland. All it does here is hurt the people trying to live here, and in turn their animals.
Veganism is a diet choice, and nothing more. You are not better than me because you don’t eat what I do. You aren’t less harmful because you don’t eat what I do. There is no perfect answer, and for that I’m sorry. But veganism isn’t anywhere near perfect, either.
God op I need to kiss you on the head for this post you hit pretty much all the marks.
May I add: Indigenous people hunted, farmed local crops, fished, and used ALL their resources well. They did so humanely and they used all the parts of the animal, too. A leather hide will keep you warmer than you imagine. Colonization wiped out species of animals and plants all over the world.
It’s not exactly a stretch to say that White Veganism is born of colonizer ideals.
And that whole “Hunting is bad, period” shit? I live in the south and can tell y'all that people here generally don’t hunt for fun. We also aren’t hunting cows. Squirrel, deer, birds, fish, frogs- So many species are invasive and reproducing wayy to fast, which ruins the ecosystem. If a poor rural family gets fed AND it helps our wildlife flourish, why should we shame them? (And it’s an entire different conversation but vegan or “healthy” food is NOT remotely possible while on foodstamps. If you get $500 a month to feed 5 people, you can’t remotely afford 4 TOMATOES for $20, much less do a month of “healthy” meals on that budget.)
You absolutely CAN add that and I WILL love you for it
Re: hunting. I live in New Zealand. Do you know how many species of invasive mammals we have? 21. They do a massive amount of damage to our native flora and fauna. New Zealand split off from Gondwana 85 million years ago. Many of the species here are endemic, meaning they exist nowhere else in the world. Hunters in NZ are not only putting food on the table they are saving a unique ecosystem. Not to mention that there is a new initiative here for recreational hunters culling deer on conservation land to donate the meat to food banks. As of a 15 June 2020 they had distributed 3500 kg (7700 pounds) to food banks, with a plan for a further 14500 kg. They will feed approximately 18000 families.
@dairyisntscary Pretty sure you’ve seen this, but if not, it’s right up your alley.
As a vegan myself (or I suppose former vegan as I'm currently eating some dairy for medical reasons but I plan on cutting dairy back out later) these are all great points.
I firmly stand by invasive species being fair game in all regards. I don't normally eat fish, but there's a local carp fishing festival near where I live because we have a lake that is overrun by carp. In that case, the best option is to cull those carp for the ecosystem and for the sake of the native fish in that lake. Eating them is the logical next step since throwing them out is a waste considering how many families go hungry.
If you're like me and more of a freegan than a strict vegan, consider supporting small time hunters and culling efforts. You don't have to directly contribute (I know I couldn't bring myself to kill a deer even for the good of the ecosystem) but understand that not every animal product is evil as we may initially assume (thanks PETA for not understanding the grey area) and some of it is a necessary evil.
Stephen King tweeted "trans women are women" and JKR unfollowed him sfgdhkg
As some have pointed out, it goes to show how transphobia seems to take precedence over feminism. He didn’t renounce any of the feminist sentiment he’d retweeted of hers, just the transphobia, and that was enough for her to delete her praise of him and sever ties?
Politically, I stan Steven King. As someone who's read Revival....... Not so much.
I hate to say it, but I legitimately think my life would be easier if I was straight. I'm proud of who I am because I can't choose to not be a attracted to women but I think if I could choose to become straight, I'd do it. I love girls, I really do and I know that I will be gay for the rest of my life, but I can't help but think things would be simpler if I was attracted to men.
this is a JOKE if any of u take this seriously i will personally do your clown makeup.
