wElCoMe tO mY TwIsTeD uNdErWoRlD

i sense someone crashing out and ranting about me

[notdefendingtaylor]

Steve J Demetriou attended the wedding, he is the current CEO of Amentum the people who were contracted by ICE to build all the detention centers. Girlie pop is in deep with the maga folk now. Steve apparently is good friends with Scott swift, which gives me reason to believe why we don't see Taylor speaking out about ICE using her music or her image.

oh hello new pinned post. Jesus Christ this is foul

[notdefendingtaylor]

https://www.tumblr.com/notdefendingtaylor/822936517781635072/httpswwwtumblrcomnotdefendingtaylor822862716 "She's the industry and Joe is waaay too small potatoes."

imo it's not him being way smaller than her (i mean, travis is as well), but that he didn't want to play her game of becoming this huge power couple. people refer to this wedding as debutante ball for travis and she 100% would have done the same for joe as well, just it's absolutely not something he would want. this guy wants to move his career at his own pace on his own rules and she is unable to handle real life people, who have their own personalities and goals. if you're not a head nodding car puppet, then you get booted out from her life with a villain card stuck to your forehead. travis is simply fine with playing whatever role she wrote for him (at least for now).

exactly. Joe’s autonomy was the “problem.” She called the men she’s dated “Kens” in one song. I think it’s telling - and true. Men should be accessories that she can position and dress up how she wants.

[notdefendingtaylor]

Did you see that instead of suing a small creator Olivia actually collabed with them. So nice to see artists not be cunts like Taylor Swift

talking about this?

Olivia Rodrigo is bringing the creative spirit of Daisy Chain Fields to fans with a new handmade collection. The Grammy-winning singer-songwriter has partnered with Etsy to launch the official Daisy Chain Fields Collection, featuring exclusive merch created alongside 10 female-owned Etsy shops. The collection arrived on July 23, ahead of Rodrigo’s inaugural music festival, giving fans a chance to buy merch prior to the event through personalized keepsakes. Drawing from Rodrigo’s music and the free-spirited Daisy Chain Fields aesthetic, the collection features handmade designs including junk journal kits, embroidered patches, beaded daisy jewelry, flower crowns, playing cards and more. Each piece reflects the voices, artistry and self-expression at the center of the festival.

this is such a serve!! this is in keeping with the spirit of artistic generosity that Taylor severely, severely lacks.

[notdefendingtaylor]

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Hi! Prev anon again who was being sympathetic! Just wanted to clear i dont really assume things about anyone. My ask wasn't about her changing her mind, and in no way, shape or form am i defending her or any of her actions. It was simply about the self destructive path she seems to be taking again, compared to the groundedness she had for a while. That's all, really. I do acknowledge that at the end of the day it is through her own choices that she is a bad person, and ofc , as i stated before, it's good that joe got out because we can all see she'd never be fully satisfied w him and would end up ruining his life bigtime. I wanted to point out the irony of how in her lyrics she says her exes "lose the only real thing they know" when they lose her, when it's actually her who's losing touch with reality and any shred of normalcy.

That's all, thank you!

I get you, I think we are all generally on the same team as far as saying she's making a lot of bad choices and it's sad for her on an individual level but it's hurting others too, and that sucks.

I think I was mostly touching on her thinking of herself as helpless, which I think is a big reason she's keeping on this path. I don't think she realizes that at her big age she should have grappled with these issues by now.

I'm always pro recovery at my core. At this point, I think she'd need to pursue recovery and then address some of these shitty behaviors that have impacted others, too.

[notdefendingtaylor]

I'm Brazilian too, and I've noticed the exact same thing the other Brazilian anon was talking about. Of course, her young female audience is still the dominant one, but her gay male fanbase is also very noticeable here.

It's kind of hard to explain, but the way she's perceived is completely different. In Brazil, especially on stan twitter, she's treated more like a larger-than-life pop diva, the kind of artist people stan the same way they would other big mainstream pop stars, like Gaga or Beyoncé. Her obsession with records, chart performance, and breaking every possible milestone naturally fuels stan culture around here.

In the US, though, she feels much more rooted in the "relatable girl-next-door" image, someone who writes about insecurities, high school, relationships, and everyday emotions. I think that's also why she's more often grouped with or compared to younger artists like Olivia, Billie, or Gracie. The whole cultural framing around her is just different

And like anon said, the way people here talk about other female artists is often incredibly misogynistic and nasty, so that whole feminist narrative doesn't really hold much weight in this context, lol. That said, judging by what l've seen online, that side of the fandom seems to be pretty universal.

The whole cultural framing around her is just different

That's very interesting, I totally agree with your representation of how she's viewed in the US - I would never really think of her as a pop diva so it's interesting that she's viewed that way in Brazil. She's always seemed so very sensitive and I think emphasized that as a part of her singer-songwriter identity - to me, diva means 'idgaf' a bit more than that. Charli very much has that diva attitude to me.

Interesting. Maybe the brightly colored outfits and huge production values for her Eras shows give her that diva status to some

[notdefendingtaylor]

I think if she had done the wedding ceremony in a broadway-esque theatre (not necessarily in a broadway theatre because that would affect the shows playing at those venues), one of those old ones with pretty ceilings and nice lobbies, in the morning and then did a big reception in the afternoon in like a nice hotel ballroom, there might have been less outright backlash to the wedding. In terms of it being tacky, of course - the choice of wedding guests and the reception activities would still be egregious. But you wouldn't be shutting down the entire area around MSG, just a couple blocks on a street at most. The theatre would've been more practical too, because they can hold up to 2,000 people sometimes! Why the fuck were they so dead set on an arena when they had better options available for aesthetic and security??

that would have had potential, especially if the theater had unique/historical/beautiful features.

MSG was just so she could have maximum and total control over every aspect and then make it into her folklore sets x 1000

[notdefendingtaylor]

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My issue with takes like this is the presumption that people can't change their minds and the insistence that they're lying if they do. Taylor may have felt she liked the normalcy with Joe but its clear that she maybe did for a year or two but didn't the longer it went on. I remember when Travis's dad said Taylor was getting antsy for a ring when Travis hadn't proposed yet and that struck me as psychologically interesting because it showed to me what I always felt was true about Taylor was that when she makes her mind up about things, she expects it and to be frank, it's worked out for her so far. So maybe she had expectations of Travis and well he followed through. We don't really know what expectations she had of Joe although marriage seemed to be something she wanted there too. The thing is I doubt she's as self aware as she thinks she is because listening to Lover, that album doesn't signal that they were in a secure enough place to be making such a commitment like at all. Now maybe Joe knew that or he didn't, who knows? But all the music she wrote about him post Rep had this strange undercurrent to it that just didn't give me security. And then the pandemic hit which was a scary time for a lot of people and Joe had lost a few of his family members, there was a lot going on and empathy was needed not constantly running to Antonoff or Ashley or whomever. Personally, I'm just going to say it. Taylor would never have been satisfied with Joe. He's far too lowkey and she's very, very ambitious. She always wanted to be in a powercouple of some kind. See when she got with Calvin Harris or when she was with Joe Jonas when he was at the height of her fame. Travis therefore fits into her life far better and I really do think she's haply actually. I know some swifties who like joe think she isn't or she's putting on a front but idk. The version of Taylor that would have liked Taylor is long gone. She's a abillionire now with Spielberg on speeddial. Whatever she says, sings about or puts out there becomes truth and she's got billboard and a bunch of magazines in her back pocket. She's the industry and Joe is waaay too small potatoes. Basically whatever she says, goes. I doubt Travis rocks the boat much or even disagrees. I mean he flatout said they don't even argue. He's probably just yes ma'am all the way and I get the feeling that's what Taylor wants even if she says she doesn't. I doubt anyone truly challenges her or if they do, they have to caveat in soo many ways to keep a job. That's why I believe that MSG wedding location was her idea.

empathy was needed not constantly running to Antonoff or Ashley or whomever

right? she shittalked with her friends, she was wasting his honor! as she wrote herself

I doubt Travis rocks the boat much or even disagrees

I agree with this, which is weird to say because his on-field behavior can be very aggressive, demanding, his-way-or-the-highway. But in the Taylor relationship, absolutely, he's very much been a yes-man. That's not conjecture, Taylor said in some clip that he says yes to everything and basically cheers on every idea she has. Which seems supportive, but a partner can't just be there to co-sign literally everything you ever do. That seems like a lopsided dynamic to me.

Taylor said a bunch of stuff in Miss Americana about how she learned a new way to be happy with Joe, essentially choosing privacy over exposure/needing adulation to feel ok. Then that ran its course and the Taylor who needs to be punching at ghosts and settling scores on a global stage rose back to the surface.

[notdefendingtaylor]

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I also think it has to do with her not wanting to rock the boat with her fanbase. I’ve been a Gracie stan for years now and pretty much every other stan/fan I meet is also a swiftie. There’s a huge overlap in their fanbases, especially compared to someone like Billie or Olivia. Billie’s fanbase barely has any swifties and while Olivia does have a lot of swifties in her fanbase, she also has a lot of Taylor antis as well (and a lot of rock fans who don’t care about Taylor at all) and they’ve both very clearly distanced themselves from Taylor compared to Gracie who’s kind of in the middle.

And this is not me blaming Gracie. She’s a pop star, of course she’s not going to try and alienate a large part of her fanbase.

Side note: I listened to her new album and I’m pretty sure the song Men Like You is about Taylor.

ohhhh this is a great point! and i can see it based on her sound and her songwriting style being fairly similar to Taylor's, although I think Gracie has a better voice generally. Olivia is becoming more alt-pop with some grunge thrown in, Billie has being a critical darling on her side. Gracie probably can't afford to alienate a big part of her fanbase, at least if she wants to continue being a pop girly. She would be fine financially without them, though.

[notdefendingtaylor]

as much as i dislike her, i do feel sorry for her a little. Joe was probably the closest she got to normalcy and having something real (which is something she uses in her lyrics to shit on her exes with respect to their relationship w her) and songs like new year's day, sweet nothings and the entirety of folklore is proof of that. As much as i feel happy for joe, it feels like maybe if her parents had ever given her a chance to grow up and choose, she'd be a much better person. Maybe it's because I have a thing for finding the good in people, but i think her parents and their narrow views of fame and life has messed her up and consequently led to her disastrous and harmful choices

I agree with pretty much all of this, but with the caveat that once she gained so much money, power and influence to be out of anyone's shadow, it was her job to work this stuff out in therapy. Pretty much every person who does bad things (like casually destroying the environment...) has some originating trauma. That's fine to have, but I think every individual needs to adopt a harm reduction posture towards others. We all have some pain or unique challenge, but Taylor has money to deal with it in a way few others can access right now in a healthcare desert in the US.

There are things I can relate to about the clearly overbearing parental influence that she had over her growing up. But she's not just a legal adult, she's WELL into adulthood and approaching milestones so far removed from adolescence.

I think when she became a billionaire, it became far more glaring that she must be actively choosing to not get better, if those abundant resources are at her disposal. Instead, she is using that money to spam herself everywhere and knock down anyone who seems to approach her level of fame and influence.

She didn't choose her childhood, but she does choose her priorities and values now.

[notdefendingtaylor]

2 weeks into the official business merger and they're already playing victim as a couple 🤡

"He's not out of shape/past his prime, his teammates are just jealous and targeting him unfairly" the announcers when skidmark does poorly this season

i just don't get Doing All This if your career is based around a team of equals rowing together toward one goal. everyone knows he's got himself a publicity machine now that will never be about the game or his teammates. that has to throw the overall dynamic off.

[notdefendingtaylor]

Either they’re actually going to release a documentary about the wedding or they’re truly feeling down about the negative reaction to it since there isn't even a photo of the wedding dress she wore circulating yet.

I think that part's funny - the swifties have been the ones crashing out over it. i'm surprised i don't really care about any of that, not even for snarking purposes

[notdefendingtaylor]

I’m a 33 yo brazilian woman. Even though I don't like TS's music I did follow her rise to fame in a way. Back during her country era, she recorded a song with Paula Fernandes who was huge in Brazil at the time and it was a big hit here. After that the only reason I paid attention to her again was because of the whole Kanye situation. The recorded call became a running joke on various Brazilian LGBT comedy channels on YouTube. And of course I heard about Ana's death. I only really heard about her again recently because of the "diss" track aimed at Charli xcx. But what I really wanted to talk about is how ever since then I've been struck by the number of gay fans TS has in Brazil and how extremely sexist and misogynistic they can be on social media. I’d like to know if people outside the US notice this in their own countries too? It’s really strange to see girls calling out "misogyny" against people who dislike or criticize TS's work while those men hurl every misogynistic slur imaginable at women (especially at pop divas).

I honestly haven't seen a ton of male (straight or not) TS fans here in the US, but the women fans on twitter are carrying the burden of being racist and misogynistic - I've seen truly, truly vile things said about Billie, Olivia, Beyonce, Gracie, Charli etc. But as for gay male fans being misogynistic, that makes sense given that Taylor taught everyone that feminism is when she gets praised for anything/everything she does, and not protecting the interests of women and minorities everywhere. Like, I've seen this rhetoric actively dismantle any argument for intersectionality because upholding their white, conventionally attractive fave is the only axis of feminism they understand or recognize.

[notdefendingtaylor]

How is being annoyed for not getting a wedding invite as a teammate, despite hundreds of random celebs being there, a "jealousy"??? If anything it's anger for being snubbed or feeling betrayed. Putting out article with jealousy framing is only gonna piss off these footballers even more.

Putting out article with jealousy framing is only gonna piss off these footballers even more.

clockedddd. it really is insane how much she snubbed the 'lower level public figures' to make room for random A-list actors she probably has had next to no interaction with, some of whom I'm sure wondered why they were there in the first place

[notdefendingtaylor]

Anytime I hear the swifties trying to justify anything Taylor does or anything about this fuck ass wedding, my mind goes to the scene from the simpsons with groundskeeper Willie 'Willie hears ya, Willie don't care!'

[notdefendingtaylor]

deeply funny that the newlyweds honeymooned with their siblings and then split so travis could (finally) go into training and taylor back to her usual routine hopping between nyc & ri & nashville

honestly? maybe a relationship with some distance is the right move for her. harder to get bored if you don't see that person every single day

[notdefendingtaylor]

thank you! i agree taylor is probably disappointed by the response to the wedding, but people thinking there's "divorce soft launch" going on are dreaming. i think there's just not much to talk about rn and people want to snark on something, but it's normal for taylor to disappear after a period of being super-exposed. don't beclown yourselves by taking the times of india or star magazine seriously lol. go outside, focus on a hobby, rest up for award season y'all.

yeah my thing is that if a gossip item seems like it would be a movie plot - like her being a runaway bride before the wedding etc - then i tend to be highly skeptical. signing up for a marriage that seems highly engineered (even if they do love each other to any extent) leaves little room for the kind of rumor where she marries then immediately faces the humiliation of a quick divorce over what could have been a quick conversation.

[notdefendingtaylor]

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I believe this comment is what a previous anon was referring to about the soft launch divorce

gotcha gotcha. Doesn’t seem to be substantiated re differences in desire to start a family

plus she wrote a song about that exact desire...

thanks!