Three-Dimensional Shipping for a Better World

A Homestuck alternate shipping blog which explores and expands on the canonical troll romance quadrants.

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{Never not reblog. :b}

this is always a good thing to reblog!

[lesbian-moon-gf]

we need a word for a relationship involving three people. two people are romantically involved and their mutual friend who is just platonic but somehow regulates the fights and is essential to the relationship’s well being.

[icecreamofjustice]

petition to make a different name for the concupiscent quadrants

because I actually like the quadrant system

but as an asexual fan of Homestuck I’m really tired of everything being oversexualized (and, frankly, amanormative)

so like

can we figure out a better way to describe matespritship and kismesistude (especially the latter) than saying “it’s when two people want to bang each other”

like

honestly

[octanttrollmance]

Kismesace (although Strival covers this as well)? Macesprit? 

[octanttrollmance]

Hey there! I reblogged your post and linked back to the MSPA Forum thread that sparked it all way back. I guess there's just something about trolls and the (lack of) symmetry in their romantic quadrants sparking discussion. I like the reasons you give for the associations. The vinegar/wine duality, the Glass and Sand defense... And boy, the adjectives you chose were very applicable (mercuric - toxicity to get to a more healthy relationship, hah), very nice exposition!

Thanks for reading and commenting on the octant model! It's great to see anybody else at all taking an interest in trollmance outside the conventional quadrant. 

[ahundredthousandsteps-deactivat]

Leprechaun romance is split into three groups; Titillating, Repugnant and Lassitudinous. Within each of these groups, there are Tasteful Nonants, Distasteful Nonants and Pure Nonants. The tastefulness or purity of a Nonant defines how well it contributes toward an end goal of homosexual reproduction. Because that system is built into the Leprechaun mentality and can not be effectively described in the English language, I have split the Nonants into groups. A relationship may have more than one Nonant associated to it, but the accumulative points for that relationship must reach 9 or over for each of the two innermost rings, for reproduction to become a viable option. Tasteful Nonants require dedication or work, maybe even skill to keep consistent and stable, whereas Distasteful Nonants are easy to fulfil but looked down upon by the general Leprechaun community. A Leprechaun may not have more than one relationship with the same points value.

RELATIONSHIP FOUNDATION/CREATION

Fortenant Lassitudinous/Tasteful – Value 2

A Fortenantly romantic group of Leprechauns are drawn together by luck. A Leprechaun may be luckier when with their Fortenant or simply have the luck to meet them often. If, by low chance, they do not indirectly cause the deaths of their other Fortenants, there is high potential for compatible reproductive activity. The Leprechauns may even like one another.

Manuplicitation Lassitugnant – Value 1.5

A particular skill of manipulation can be very prominent in some Leprechauns, and completely non-existent in others.

Dolleration Repugnant/Distasteful – Value 1

Dolleration is the romantic subject of Trickery, slight of hand and exploitation. Nothing makes a Leprechaun more attracted to another than by victimising/being victimised by the cruel and gentle hands of the con artist.

Robberism Repugnant/Naughty – Value 2

Stealing is simply the birthright of the Leprechaun.

Dundercism Repugnant/Pure – Value 3

This Nonant encompasses rage or covetous anger. A Leprechaun will build the bond of romance with another, and they will both revel in the splendour of their hatred for one another. This type of love can break once a particular desire has been fulfilled.

Smachination Repugnant/Nice – Value 2.5

Violence is a core part of every Leprechaun’s life, but when you start using it as a basis for a relationship, things get iffy.

Petuliance Repugnant/Tasteful – Value 2

Bullying is as ancient an activity to Leprechauns as breathing. When a Leprechaun finds someone they can truly bully or allow to bully them, they know they have found something really special.

Pentagorum Repugillating – Value 1.5

If a Leprechaun has magic, you can be sure they’re going to use it and not always for the better. In fact, rarely for the better. How do you use a curse for a good cause, I ask you?

Heliatude Tittilating/Distasteful – Value 1

A Nonant of the magical degree. These Leprechauns have fitting magical abilities/familiars/auras/any other magical bullshit that makes them more attractive or compatible for one another in any of the three ways.

Lumpment Tittilating/Naughty – Value 2

Pure, no strings attached and unfiltered sex for the sake of sex. If love becomes a factor, don’t come crying to me.

Erostuency Tittilating/Pure – Value 3

The conventional sense of love. Leprechauns do not fully understand true love as trolls or humans do, but can have a deep yearning or affection for another Leprechaun.

Duetilatience Tittilating/Nice – Value 2.5

The power of music is surprisingly potent in the Leprechaun love. What do they say? Music is the window to the soul. Yes. I’m pretty sure that’s it.

Discordem Tittilating/Tasteful – Value 2

A Nonant that is integral to the Leprechaun relationship system. This encompasses the sacred activities of Jigging and Dancing. A highly exciting, disgusting or boring art form, if I do say so myself.

Compalision Tittitudinous – Value 1.5

Clashing personalities can be just as powerful when it comes to Leprechaun relationships as fitting ones.

Weedership Lassitudinous/Distasteful – Value 1

When a Weedership forms around two Leprechauns, they are interwoven into the destinies of one another. Fate will bring the Leprechauns together or cause them to have a powerful effect on one another’s lives, for the good or for the bad.

Moirallegiance Lassitudinous/Naughty – Value 2

Similar to Trolls, Leprechauns have an important bond that demands they are together.

Tepidatience Lassitudinous/Pure – Value 3

Tepidatience is a romance based entirely on time shenanigans. These Leprechauns are bound to travel through time for an annoyingly long time, never quite being somewhere practical for reproduction or conversation of any kind. However, they will have sex if need be. If there’s a will, there’s a way.

Ruthlossitude Lassitudinous/Nice – Value 2.5

This is the practice of creating, or the love of nature. It is possibly the rarest of the Nonants. It involves bringing out things in other Leprechauns, such as emotion or activities.

POSSIBLE RELATIONSHIP COMPLETION SCENARIOS

These are basically all of the various types of relationships that Leprechauns are shown to have once they reach the point of possible reproduction. To do this, they need to have 9 points in the innermost ring of nonants and 9 in the second. Every complete state has a positive and negative side, linked but not directly connected to the feelings of love and hate. Each positive and negative has an alpha stage and a beta stage. A relationship can have Nonants from any of these states, but cannot have both light and dark Nonants from the same Alpha or Beta stage.

Manuplicitation – Alpha Light

The Leprechauns express their bond of bored repulsion by manipulating others to help them and benefit others, making the best of both individuals’ sets of skills. They will spend time doing this, while also dipping in and out of Fortenant and Dolleration stages.

Manuplicitation – Alpha Dark

Both Leprechauns enjoy tricking and pranking others, with the persuit of gaining power or whatever it is that they want. Often, a vendetta will be taken into account, or simple dislike for another person. Maybe they do it just for the fun of it. Who knows? Their relationship grows stronger through the misery of others, and isn’t that all that counts?

Manuplicitation – Beta Light

The pair will play pleasant and quaint tricks on one another, subtle pranks that both enjoy. Anger will be expressed through these playful pranks, and neither Leprechaun will usually overstep the line.

Manuplicitation – Beta Dark

A strong coupling will rarely be taken into account. Both of these Leprechauns will frequently show anger and hurt by forcing that on their partner, usually without the partner’s knowledge. Murder and slaughter is never off the table between these unhappy two, but at least it stays between them.

Robberism – Alpha Light

A Leprechaun can always look to this couple to help them out with anything they may need. They look to each other for guidance and will go the way of Robin Hood on multiple occasions. Stealing from the rich and giving to the poor may seem an odd lifestyle, but these Leprechauns find it gets them in the mood for any sort of biznasty.

Robberism – Alpha Dark

If they’re going to be mass robbers, pillaging and taking what they want, giving nothing back, then at least they do it together. No Leprechaun coupling is stronger than one forged on a stolen couch.

Robberism – Beta Light

Oh, the joys that these two give one another when they find a missing coin that is playfully thrown back to them with a wink and a lusty smile. These leprechauns will find pleasure in taking things from one another, but only the little things. After all, what is a loved one for, if not that?

Robberism – Beta Dark

This is how bankruptcy starts, so be warned. It is usually a bad idea to be with a lover that will viciously and actively steal everything they can, whenever they can. It is not done in the spirit of fun, but of selfishness. Still, when you’re stealing those things right back and then some, it’s all fair game.

Smachination – Alpha Light

It’s all a game to these people, with no regard for who gets hurt. Love struck or hate stricken, they won’t touch one another in a harmful way. Wouldn’t dream of it. They’ll give whoever they find a titty twister, but they’ll have the courtesy to feel bad about it.

Smachination – Alpha Dark

The only thing worse than a genuinely awful Leprechaun who wants nothing more than to get a knife in your face is two Leprechauns who team up to do that very thing.

Smachination – Beta Light

A pinch, a thump in the arm for an insult. These Leprechauns are certainly not adverse to hurting one another, as long as it’s in a playful spirit.

Smachination – Beta Dark

This is one of the relationships where murder, or near murder at the very least, is common place. Whether they hate or love each other is more often irrelevant to these Leprechauns. All that matters is that their partner exists, and it’s their job to end that.

Pentagorum – Alpha Light

These two will happily curse you to eternal damnation if you steal a baby’s ice lolly, but are relatively harmless in any other sense. The relationship revolves around these little activities. They inject excitement into their lives.

Pentagorum – Alpha Dark

Woe betide anyone who meets these Leprechauns, for a curse is just what they will get. Doom is a strong word, but it will become an aspect of the lives of the people who know and like the couple.

Pentagorum – Beta Light

Leprechaun magic is odd, and you might want to keep a look out when a couple like this comes into view. Chances, they’ll be missing a body part or two, but they’ll be smiling about it.

Pentagorum – Beta Dark

Despite the usually extreme sex that these couple have, they tend to curse each other to death almost immediately.

Lumpment – Alpha Light

You know that couple that seems to always love everyone no matter what the world throws at them? Either they’re on weed, or they’re Lumpment Alpha Light Leprechauns.

Lumpment – Alpha Dark

Let’s just say these Leprechauns are not good to anyone. They will sexually abuse someone to keep that loving spark going.

Lumpment – Beta Light

This is, if anything, the most important stage for a successful Leprechaun relationship. Loving one another is something that can overcome most boundaries that face a couple.

Lumpment – Beta Dark

The things these two do in bed are not fit for explanation. It is said that when they were described in full detail to an over-curious human, his entire body literally imploded.

Duetilatience – Alpha Light

You know the people who just start randomly singing in movies and always seem to know what the other person is going to say, even though they never rehearsed it? These are those people.

Duetilatience – Alpha Dark

You ever heard the brown note? These Leprechauns probably can and will sing the brown note to you, and enjoy every minute of your pain.

Duetilatience – Beta Light

‘You and I, we finish each other’s-‘

‘-Sandwiches.’

Duetilatience – Beta Dark

You might be wondering how song can be used in a violent way towards a lover. I was curious once too. I don’t recommend trying to find out.

Compalision – Alpha Light

These Leprechauns always seem to fit in wherever they go. Everybody likes these Leprechauns. They’ve got something about them that is so appealing, you have no idea why.

Compalision – Alpha Dark

These are the really awful Leprechauns who nobody likes. You know the sort of people I’m taking about.

Compalision – Beta Light

Two Leprechauns could not be more in synch If they tried. It is so adorable at first, but then it begins to get sickening.

Compalision – Beta Dark

How such a different couple got together and made it this far, you have no idea. Maybe they’re just coasting off all the disgust sex that they have.

Moirallegiance – Alpha Light

Clearly, fate wanted you to meet this pair. They give out an odd sense that you were meant to meet them, as if it is all preordained. Maybe it is. Maybe you should avoid them at all costs.

Moirallegiance – Alpha Dark

I was right. You should avoid these lovers at all costs. They will wreak havoc on your destiny, or maybe they already have. It’s so hard to tell at this point.

Moirallegiance – Beta Light

From the moment they met, these Leprechauns were meant for one another. Their Love/Disgust/Boredom with their mate is so powerful that it astounds you and pretty much anyone else who happens to be watching.

Moirallegiance – Beta Dark

Some cruel god must rule the world if he/she decided to put these two together.

Ruthlossitude - Alpha Light

This is when Leprechauns spread life. They try and create it in others or in the natural world. These Leprechauns are usually pacifists, and have a peaceful demeanor.

Ruthlossitude - Alpha Dark

Love, creativity, life in general. These are the things that this duo will stamp out in their quest for lust.

Ruthlossitude - Beta Light

These Leprechauns are very good at bringing out the best in their partner.

Ruthlossitude - Beta Dark

These Leprechauns have a unique talent for turning their partner into a monster.

This was surprisingly hard to do, so please don’t send too much hate.  I wanted to make a solid relationship system for Leprechauns, since Hussie sort of copped out of it. I will not be adding to this, since this much was difficult enough. You can probably see I got a bit lazy towards the end.

[blaperile]

IT KEEPS HAPPENING

[ahundredthousandsteps-deactivat]

Have Fun, Shippers!

Apathy

An Absence of involvement in the entire troll romance system. Only applies to non-non trolls.

Matespriteship Flushed

Involves two people who have positive feelings of affection for each other. Often involves sexual or reproductive activity.

Unspriteism F/F/F/A

When the main troll in a spriteship is forced out of it by the friend group that they themselves have founded.

Spriteship Flushed/Flushed/Ashen

When one is in a Spriteship, they surround themselves with multiple Matesprite candidates, but does not reproduce with anyone. What a tease.

Triospritism F/F/A/F/A

When a group is gathered around the spectacle of a particularly ravenous Auspisticism.

Matespicism Flushed/Ashen

A situation where two otherwise indifferent people begin to have flushed feelings for one another, under the encouragement or force of a third individual.

Alpha Duostorgiation F/A/F/A/A/F

One of the two Duostorgiation final results. In this result, the relationship of the monitors becomes more flushed as the relationship of the second couple becomes more violent.

Duostorgiation Flushed/Ashen/Ashen/Flushed

Similar to a Storgiation, except instead of a relationship growing under pressure, the relationship will grow when love is encouraged in others. The success of the Duostorgiating trolls is directly affected by how successful the relationship that they encourage turns out to be.

Beta Duostorgiation F/A/A/F/A/F

In the second Duostorgiation, the relationship of the monitoring couple becomes more flushed as the second couple’s relationship becomes more flushed.

Storgiation Ashen/Flushed

Two people work together to resolve conflict and find themselves developing red feelings for one another. This relationship can fade easily, and can sometimes only be strengthened when put under a pressure comparable to the one that instigated it.

Spewterism A/F/A/F/A

The opposite of a Scalemateship. This is when the monitor of an Auspisticism begins to have flushed feelings for both of the other trolls involved. These two trolls must decide how to respond to their monitor’s redrom persuasion.

Scalemateship Ashen/Flushed/Ashen

A very rare time when an Auspistice finds both of their monitored enemies flushed for them. The Monitor must now choose which of their courtiers they will continue on with and which one they will kill. If they do not kill either of the violent lovers, the two may develop an Infinism.

Polyscalemateship A/F/F/A

When the members of two separate Auspisticisms become violent with each other, a third Auspisticism must step in to be the monitor. The monitor of the monitoring Auspisticism is usually put under intense pressure. Nicknamed ‘The Inception’

Auspisticism Ashen

A scenario where a mediator is required to keep a relationship between two people civil and avoid bloodshed.

Metabollegiance A/A/A/C

Surrounding trolls are naturally drawn to this central troll.

Chromership Ashen/Ashen/Caliginous

When an Auspistice becomes unreliable, an additional Auspistice may become involved in order to monitor the original Auspistice. This is usually done to avoid the development of Infinisms or Scalemateships.

Crosscorosion A/A/C/A/C

Where a Kismesissitude constantly vicilliates between stability and requirement of an Auspistice

Clovership Ashen/Caliginous

A delicate balance in which the four participating individuals harbour a strong hatred for the other three. Together, the relationship is made stable and civil. If a participant is removed from the Clovership, relationships can progress to Kismesissitude unless a mediator becomes involved or the Clovership is re-completed.

Carcatuition A/C/A/C/C/A

When a troll causes ambient conflicts in all surrounding trolls.

Counter-ClovershipAshen/Caliginous/Caliginous/Ashen

A counter clovership is the opposite of a clovership. It is a group of four trolls who, while usually very friendly or indifferent, will become extremely vicious and violent when the full Counter Clovership comes together. While the members of a Clovership must be kept together, the members of a Counter Clovership must be kept apart at all costs.

Flagism A/C/C/A/C/A

Where a troll can only seem to have romantic feelings for other trolls of a similar caste.

Infinism Caliginous/Ashen

A form of Kismesissitude, but the people involved can only have a successful black relationship if constant intervention is involved. Otherwise, their hate is so strong that they will take any opportunity to murder their Infinist.

Infimoaillegiance C/A/C/A/C

Where four trolls are compelled by fate to become an Infimositude.

Infimositude Caliginous/Ashen/Caliginous

An Infinimositude is an extremely rare and very volatile series of events. The two hateful enemies that make up an Infinism will find themselves monitored by the members of a completely different Infinimositude. The result is something not that different from a clovership. Two pairs of trolls who hate the other troll in their pair have to keep the members of the other pair from killing each other. This results in either a brutal bloodbath or a mysterious harmony.

Voidance C/A/C/A

The Absense of any romantic persuasion in a troll. Can be romantically occurring or the result of a Counter Philiasma.

Kismesissitude Caliginous

A mixture of of mutual sexual attraction and hate. Leads to reproduction.

Gladiem C/C/C/P

When a troll is hypnotised or contractually forced into a relationship.

Descellegiance Caliginous/Caliginous/Pale

Many trolls that are part of a Kissmelegiance are actually part of a Descellegiance. This is when, due to the placebo effect, two trolls will become Kismesissitude because they believe that they are a Kissmelegiance. Unlike a Kissmelegiance which can be long and drawn out, these are short and violent, but they are also stoppable. When these two trolls are convinced that they are in a Descellegiance, they will be able to end their Kismesissitude. However, it is often hard to tell the difference between a potent Kissmelegiance and a light Descellegiance.

Literositude C/C/P/C/P

A troll who is attracted to fictional characters, and can only fulfil sexual desires through fictional literature. This is a quadrant that is prominent in cherubs.

Kissmelegiance Caliginous/Pale

A troll in a Kissmelegiance is compelled by fate to make an enmity with the other participant. This can progress to Kismesissitude or Infinism.

Sedatespriteship C/P/C/P/P/C

A relationship where a troll is the Matesprite or Kismesiss of another troll, without the second troll’s knowledge.

Double Agency Caliginous/Pale/Pale/Caliginous

A Double Agency is when two trolls, who have flushed feelings for one another, both pretend to have black feelings. This tends to happen when the personalities clash, usually competitive trolls. Usually, both trolls will suspect that the other actually has flushed feelings for them but neither is willing to reveal themselves in case their suspicions are wrong.

Interagency C/P/P/C/P/C

A relationship that begins with powerful love but slowly dulls to hate over time.

Erosissitude Pale/Caliginous

The two trolls are compelled by fate to constantly and simultaneously vacilliate, but are both on opposite ends of the spectrum. When one troll feels extreme red feelings, the other will express loathing. They both usually vacilliate at the same moment, meaning that they will never be able to have a stable and reproductive relationship. 

N-way Moirallegiance P/C/P/C/P

A Moirallegiance with an unprecedented number of trolls. Usually ends with one or many Kismesissitudes.

Insurgence Pale/Caliginous/Pale

An Insurgence is a group of four Moiralls that each feel a powerful romantic and protective love for one another that is harmonious and will not end with bloodshed between the Insurgents. However, they are all destined never to have sex or any form of troll reproduction.

Auspinsurgence P/C/P/P

Two sets of Moiralls clash and require a monitor to keep them safe. There I sthe possibility that these two sets of Moiralls are themselves Moiralls. While trolls A and B are Moiralls, and trolls C and D are moiralls, Moirallegiances AB and CD also become moiralls.

Moirallegiance Pale

A couple encouraged by fate to protect one another and ensure stability in the other troll/person’s life.

Stabbance P/P/P/F

If someone is a stabbance, they are a troll that has a fate-given gift of destroying the relationships of others.

Constituency Pale/Pale/Flushed

A Constituency is when one troll in a pair believes that they are the Moirall of another troll, but the second troll does not think that this is a Moirallegiance.

Matestituency P/P/F/P/F

A barrier by fate or destiny that completely blocks two trolls from having a relationship.

Stituency Pale/Flushed

A couple that is formed by defying fate. This can be done by destroying a Moirallegiance in order to form a new relationship or by turning A Kismelegiance into a Moirallegiance. 

Webship P/F/P/F/F/P

A relationship that can only remain stable when it takes place online. This can function through pesterlogs or trollian.

Envelopment Pale/Flushed/Flushed/Pale

An Envelopment is when a troll intentionally does not reveal their true feelings on who they have powerful red or black feelings for, because they do not want to cause conflict with an existing Matesprite or Kismesiss.

Masquerade P/F/F/P/F/P

A Masquerade is when two trolls can only have a stable relationship through roleplay.

Philiasma Flushed/Pale

A Philiasma is when, due to outside intervention, a Kissmelegiance or Erosissitude is broken. When a Moiraillegiance is formed, it becomes unbreakable. The status of this love becomes unconditional and cannot do anything but grow stronger.

Fatespriteship F/P/F/P/F

A scenario in which a trolls A and B are in a Kismesissitude, C and D are in a Matespriteship. Both of these relationships are destroyed, sometimes by a Stabbance. A will pair with C or D and B will pair with the troll that A does not pair with.

Counter Philiasma Flushed/Pale/Flushed

This is a situation that is just as rare, if not more rare than an Infimositude, because when one person in a Philiasma dies, the other usually commits suicide immediately. However, when the living troll does not kill themselves, they will always withdraw from the troll romance system entirely and have feelings only of depression and apathy until they die.

Laytherithm F/P/F/F

When troll A is flushed for troll B, but troll B is black for troll A and flushed for troll C. Troll C Is black for troll B and flushed for troll D. Troll D is black for troll C and flushed for troll E. There is a possibility of the Laytherithm linking into a circle, where Troll E would be flushed for troll A but troll A would be black for troll E, or they can end on their own.

[fivetail]

WE DIDN’T NEED TO GO DEEPER.

[mortallyposting-deactivated2018]

this is too complicated i couldnt even force myself to read it all

[chandrar-nalaar]

I read all of it and my brain is twitching.

[blaperile]

Holy shit abundantChewtoys needs to see this right away

[abundantchewtoys]

Now darn, this makes my old strivalry (black moirails), crushurpatience (flushed auspisticism), as well as the two mediated pale/ashen relationships I came up with, look pale (pun intended). I like this stuff. Reminds me of situations I tried to come up with, two. Because romantic ideals are just that, even for trolls. So the equivalent of, say, a love triangle, most assuredly exists. (This was before we even knew of quadrant vascillation, and all the stuff Kankri touched upon briefly in his sermons.) Lol at Carcatuition and Literositude. And Double Agency occurs all over the animes. Stabbance. Seems like Jack was born to be in this relationship. Then I got to Laytherithm. And I was like… (go to 10:26)

[octanttrollmance]

THEY WENT DEEPER. O_O;

[shadow-wasser]

Troll culture and biology (3/4)

More theories/headcanons about Trolls and their society. References my other posts tagged ‘troll headcanons.’

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[octanttrollmance]

Awesome theories, especially with regard to rainbow drinkers.

[shadow-wasser]

Troll reproductive anatomy (2/4)

Theories on the reproductive biology (and sexual behavior) of trolls. 

The first two sections of this piece are relatively SFW. The last two are less so, but in a ‘high school sex ed’ kind of way.

Please note that Trolls find human sexual behavior and reproduction just as bizarre and uncomfortable as we find theirs.

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[octanttrollmance]

This is a very different approach to troll procreation than I've seen before; I like it.

[krazieleylines-deactivated20140]

i disagree with but respect your interpretation of moirails as (human) romantic (and who knows, i could be wrong too)

Well the romantic part was stated in canon but I’m glad to hear that! I respect your opinion as well, I know the idea of Equius and Nepeta as big brother/little sister is pretty cute, and I continue to ship Porrim and Kankri pale anyway, so I could be a bit of a hypocrite myself

[octanttrollmance]

For what it's worth, I've always considered all four quadrants as genuinely romantic by the human definition of that term, just as the canon indicates outright. There are a lot of different purely-platonic relationships which we see the trolls demonstrate in canon (loyalty among allies, sibling-esque rivalries which don't get a blackrom reaction, mentor-mentee relationships, etc.), and none of them are given quadrant labels the way Moirail and Auspistice are. 

[krazieleylines-deactivated20140]

I honestly think that if a pair of moirails did turn red, it would not be like " upgrading" or whatever bull shit because I agree that moirailigence is just as important as any other quad, but I think that a red relationship that had been pale first could be much deeper and more loving because they would already be comfortable and close, and know eachother much more well than a relationship that was red from the start

That’s very true, I could definitely see that. If two trolls were moirails, but decided that they were not serendipitously matched as diamonds, then I can see that being a little sad, but also sort of relieving, because having a moirail you don’t click with is probably stressful. I think a lot of people ship vriskan in this way? Idk I sometimes like to ship johnvris this way, where they tried the moirail thing first but it wasn’t working even though they loved each other

Quadrants are really fascinating that way

[octanttrollmance]

Introduction to Octant Trollmance

Explanation of this graphic is under the break. 

Octant Trollmance (here abbreviated OT) is a method of shipping trolls and other characters from the multimedia webcomic Homestuck. The author of Homestuck, Andrew Hussie, originally described troll relationships as falling into one of four categories of romance: Matesprit, Moirail, Kismesis, and Auspistice. Each of these relationships performs a different social function on the troll home planet, during a canonical story timeline and alternate universe where the once-peaceful and freedom-loving troll race were altered to become more violent and to sort themselves into an oppressive caste system. The four HC (Hussie Canonical) troll relationship Quadrants all have species survival primarily in mind, causing them to have heavy centricity on both reproduction and on maximizing the survival of long-term relationships among characters with homicidal tendencies and volatile tempers.

The four HNC relationship Quadrants have been added to the original framework in an effort to explore that troll romantic life might have been like in a less-violent and less impendingly apocalyptic universe and timeline, where reproduction and de-escalation of violence were less immediately necessary to the overall survival of the troll species. All of these new quadrants HAVE been actively demonstrated by at least one set of characters in Homestuck’s own canon, but they were never canonically recognized as uniquely viable forms of relationships which correspond to the existing four Quadrants. 

Troll romance operates around three axes, which here I shall call the Emotional axis, the Escalation axis, and the Pragmatic axis.

The Emotional axis has two hemispheres, often called Blackrom and Redrom. The Blackrom half is built on “antisocial” behaviours and the emotional spectrum ranging from annoyance to hate. The Redrom half is built on “prosocial” behaviours and the emotional spectrum ranging from pity to love. Trolls whose relationship is not emotionally-invested enough to fall into any Octant are simply called Friends / Enemies / Frienemies (these words mean the same thing in the troll language). 

The Escalation axis has two hemispheres: Concupiscent relationships and Consortive relationships. Concupiscent relationships are those which concern potentially-sexual relationships between trolls, as well as those designed to disband relationships before they can escalate to sexual intimacy, at the risk of damaging existing relationships. Consortive relationships are those which concern allegiance and shared goals without an intimate or sexual aspect, as well as relationships designed to disband such alliances and cooperative ventures before they can be harmful to the interests and agendae of other parties.

The Pragmatic axis has two hemispheres: Conciliatory relationships and Contrivenal relationships. Conciliatory relationships are those which inherently involve themselves in the attempted relationships of other trolls, a.k.a. “meddling,” usually to protect existing relationship structures or to further an agenda. Contrivenal relationships are partnerships of trolls who have a shared goal in mind, a.k.a. “cahoots,” either for immediate survival, long-term cooperation, reproduction, or mutual emotional fulfillment. 

Within any troll relationship, there is a most common and typical number of participants, ranging from 2 to 4. These participants can be either Agents who perform the emotions and social behaviours of the relationship (such as meddling or hating), Patients who are on the receiving end of these behaviours and emotions (such as being meddled-with or being hated), Agent-Patients who both perform and receive the relationship. A relationship Agent may or may not be entirely aware of the role they assume in a relationship, especially in Maniplomacy, where the two Maniplomats may either be in total collaboration, or one may be using the other… a detail to which the other is completely oblivious.

It is important to keep in mind that ALL of these Octants are inherently romantic, if not necessarily sexual. Truly platonic hate, pity, or love would NOT result in an Octant relationship, but would qualify simply as Friends / Enemies, Lusus-or-Parent / Grub-or-Child, Siblings, Mentor / Mentee, Dancestors, or other relationships which definitively preclude all possibilities of strong romantic feelings under normal circumstances. In this ‘better’ and less violent universe where culling is not an issue, there ARE such things as asexual and aromantic trolls, and there ARE such things as trolls who are asexual and/or aromantic along one hemisphere but not along another hemisphere. Most trolls are going to identify with some octants more than other octants. Just as alloromance and aromance are possible, so, too, is autoromance (attraction to oneself, possibly in another universe or timeline). While human romantic and sexual orientations tend to arrange themselves in response to attraction (or lack of it) to gender and sex characteristics and relationship roles, trolls’ individual orientations tend to focus more on each axis of romance and which end of that axis is the most helpful to their personal development. ‘Gendered’ attraction factors in mostly as an aesthetic preference for more delicate or more dynamic features and personality traits, and it is Hussie-canonical that troll biology is nearly identical between ‘male’ and ‘female’ trolls. As a result, trolls as a race are functionally biromantic and bisexual, with individual preference varying case-by-case. Additionally, there is every reason to believe that polyamory and polyfidelity within Octants DO exist in troll society in varying forms, as evident from Karkat’s explanation to Dave of Quadrant Vacillation. This means that while each troll will be focusing on both finding partners in all four Contrivenal Octants and attempting to assist others in all four Conciliatory Octants, any given troll may actually have more than one lasting partnership / triad / tetrad in a specific Octant, as long as everybody involved is informed and consenting about it. Lack of informed consent obviously tends to result in relationship breakdown and conflict, just as it would with human relationships.

Examples: A troll such as Tavros doesn’t really experience Blackrom at all, while a troll such as Vriska has extremely intense Blackrom feelings, and Karkat actually feels Blackrom toward himself! Kanaya experiences Auspistice romance more strongly, willingly, and easily than any other troll in the series. Kanaya also Auspistices for multiple pairs of other trolls; functionally this equates to Auspistice non-monogamy or outright polyamory. Throughout the series so far, we never once see Nepeta in any Concupiscent relationship, but she has a pretty stable Moirallegiance with Equius at the start of the story. ‘Male’ and ‘female’ trolls in the series consistently defy and transcend the gender norms and stereotypes of modern human societies, and trolls in the series are consistently baffled by the concepts homo/heterosexual, which make little objective sense in troll society.

General purpose and base description of each octant: 

Matesprit: To have a committed intense redrom partnership which is capable of reproduction. MAXIMUM PITY / LOVE. Equates symbolically to being given emotional intoxicants like wine. Redrom + Concupiscent + Contrivenal. Traditionally 2 participants, both agent-patients. Kismesis: To have a committed intense blackrom partnership which is capable of reproduction. MAXIMUM HATE. Equates to being stabbed in the emotions. Blackrom + Concupiscent + Contrivenal. Traditionally 2 participants, both agent-patients. Moirail: To have a committed mild redrom partnership which supports a common non-reproductive goal. COOPERATIVE PITY / LOVE. Redrom + Consortive + Contrivenal. Traditionally 2 participants, both agents-patients. Strival: To have a comitted mild blackrom partnership which supports a common non-reproductive goal. COOPERATIVE HATE. Blackrom + Consortive + Contrivenal. Traditionally 2 participants, both agents-patients. Crushurper: To usurp inadequate attempted-Matesprits by 1. Injecting hate to cause Strivals. 2. Reducing pity intensity to cause Moirails. 3. Neutralizing emotions back to Frienemy state. Equates to being given vinegar to drink instead of wine. Redrom + Concupiscent + Conciliatory. Traditionally 3 participants (2 patients and 1 agent). Auspistice: To usurp inadequate attempted-Kismeses by 1. Injecting pity to cause Moirails. 2. Reducing hate intensity to cause Strivals. 3. Neutralizing emotions back to Frienemy state. Equates to being clubbed on the head instead of stabbed in the heart. Blackrom + Concupiscent + Conciliatory. Traditionally 3 participants (2 patients and 1 agent). Maniplomat: To interrupt inadequate attempted-Moirails by 1. Improving mutual respect to remove pity and cause Frienemy state. 2. Adding mutual abrasiveness to cause Strivals. Equates to having salt… or sand… added to your food. Redrom + Consortive + Conciliatory. Traditionally 4 participants (2 patients, at least one intentional agent, no more than one oblivious agent). Cessarator: To interrupt inadequate attempted-Strivals by 1. Improving mutual tolerance to remove hate and cause Frienemy state. 2. Adding mutual pitying opinions to cause Moirails. Equates to having mercury added medicinally… or toxically… added to your drink. Blackrom + Consortive + Conciliatory. Traditionally 2 participants (1 patient and 1 agent), but able to involve ANY number of oblivious agents and any number-exceeding-1 of intentional agents (since sometimes it seems like the whole world is out to bring your dangerous Strivalry to an abrupt end).