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Oozora Yuujin: Double Standard in Digimon/Appmon Fandom
Seriously, why is no one talking about this?
If you watch Tri and Appmon more carefully, you’ll find that Oozora Yuujin has pretty much experienced ALL the Tri girls’ main problems.
1. Yuujin and Meiko: Being hurt both physically and mentally because of their cute, problematic partners.
But compared to Meiko who can only cry and run, Yuujin (despite his low self-esteem, just like Meiko’s) has guts to stop Shutmon using his own body.
2. Yuujin and Sora: Caring for others while neglecting themselves.
Worse, when they can’t solve their own problems by themselves, they will pretend like they can handle everything on their own. At least, Yuujin finally opens up to welcome the others’ help, rather than throws himself into more trouble like Sora does. It’s not all Sora’s fault, though. Haru and the others are doing it right when they offer Yuujin help. While Taichi and Yamato can only complain and make Sora feel worse (Just imagine if it was Takeru who talked to her. The story would be different).
That being said, Yuujin still ends up diving by himself into danger to save Offmon, and needs Haru and Globemon to rescue them.
3. Yuujin and Hikari: Being possessed by god-like, balance-seeking yet destructive digital entities.
Hikari, while her body is being taken over, still manages to resist Homeostasis from inside. Yuujin? Indeed, he manages to take over half of his body when being controlled, to call Haru’s name. But when Leviathan finally takes full charge of him, he helplessly lets Haru do everything, until Leviathan offers Haru to save the world by killing them both.
4. Yuujin and Mimi: Being alienated in new environments.
We see Mimi get rejected by her new friends for her Daters Cafe, but still able to stay believing in herself and her ideal. While little Yuujin reacts to being rejected (even by someone he barely knows) as if no one would ever want to have him around again. Until Haru comes and helps him through it.
See the similarities and differences now?
This is only my guess, but the writers might intentionally put Yuujin through these “girls problems”, to let us see the real Yuujin, which is not as perfect as he seems to be.
But why should “girls problems”? Why not giving him more masculine problems, such as unable to protect younger sibling, rivalry, or being a good leader, like Taichi and Yamato used to struggle with? Doesn’t Yuujin resemble those two? An active, popular protagonist-like boy? They still can show Yuujin’s flaws through “boys problems”, right? So, why should “girls problems”?
I will try to answer this later, but let me get something straight first.
I enjoy Appmon. But I am sick seeing Yuujin being treated by the fandom as Taichi’s expy (even after the plot reveals his vulnerability without Haru) just because he plays soccer, is a boy, and is said to be an ideal protagonist, when there is already Sora, whom Yuujin obviously shares more similar traits with, rather than with Taichi.
“But Yuujin can’t be Sora’s expy! Because Yuujin is portrayed as a popular, active masculine sportsman, and Sora is a girl just too motherly to be compared to one.”
Yeah, right. You must forget how Sora was when she was a kid (she even played soccer too, for God’s sake!). And you didn’t truly watch how Yuujin and Offmon’s interaction went. If Yuujin can’t be called as a patient, loving parent that is succeed in bringing up the cowardly Offmon to be a capable fighter, I don’t know what he is to Offmon.
I’m not saying that Yuujin should have been a girl, to make his character and this show proper. I’m also not saying that Taichi is better than Yuujin, or the girls. The point is, Taichi is the base character for most Digimon protagonists. And Yuujin, if he was really modeled after Taichi, should have faced those “girls problems” above with much more protagonist-like ways, like Mimi or Hikari does (who are not even the protagonists).
But, nah. Yuujin turns out to be a woobie, fragile distressed damsel. Something that Taichi would never become, but Sora and Meiko would.
And that is NOT a bad thing either. Personally, I never see any characters as bad. If they are written like that, then that’s how they are. The only thing that can ruin the characters is either the writers’ bad writing, unreasonable inconsistency, or the audience’s high expectation. And those, of course, are not the characters’ faults (I’m looking at you, 02-Sora).
However, Appmon writers are bunch of talents (or rather, trolls) that trick the audience to think of Yuujin as the Taichi for the un-Taichi-like protagonist: Haru. They also seem to be aware on how the double standard between boys and girls works, and use it to surprise the audience.
Writer A: Let’s write a wimpy, shy introverted main character for the new Digimon series Writer B: All right, but sure he would overcome his weakness, take a level in badass, and save the world, right? Writer A: Of course. And that’s why he would need “someone special” to be rescued from the baddies. It would mature him dramatically in no time. Writer C: Oh, a love interest! Interesting! *writes Ai-chan* Here she is! What do you say? Writer A: She’s cute. But looks boring. Please make another. Writer C: *writes Eri* Here! Another one, but stronger and more confident. She would help the wimpy main character to grow a backbone. Writer A: Is she going to be kidnapped? Writer C: Well, maybe. That’s how it usually works, right? Writer A: No, scrap that. It would reduce this show into another chickification trash. The older audience have had enough of that. Writer B: Hey guys, hear me out. Make another one like Eri. Strong, confident, and kind. But this time, change her into a boy. There wouldn’t be any chickification if the victim was a boy. The older audience would never expect it either. They might not even realize.
I’ve seen some comments complaining about how Yuujin and Offmon had stolen the spotlight from Haru. But no one seems to ever complain about Yuujin’s “chickification”, which rendered him almost useless in the Ultimate 4 arc and the last arc (except for being Haru’s living emotional crutch and maybe, fetish fuel, as him being crucified under a time bomb, or put into bondage suit while being possessed/mind-controlled, seems to be well-received among his fans).
On the other hand, Eri impressively freeing herself from Knight is considered as a very compelling point that some even regard her as the best DigiGirl ever. If Eri ended up in Yuujin’s position, she would promptly be accused for being another chickification victim, like Sora, Izumi, and Nene.
Appmon cleverly avoids itself from being tagged with chickification trope, by subjecting a boy (Yuujin) to it. And not just a boy. He’s (seemed to be)confident, active, kind, brave, protective, patient, one of the chosen ones, able to kick ass, in short: almost perfect protagonist-like boy.
If Yuujin was a girl, in this kind of kids/shonen anime,even with a “weak” protagonist like Haru; admit it.The way how she was treated throughout the series: being so much devoted to a boy, to the level being distressed, kidnapped, possessed, and finally sacrificed for the said boy’s character development, would be a “very annoying, yet unsurprising thing” to see, since Digimon has quite reputation in chickifiying its action girls.
Girl!Yuujin would be deemed as a Mary Sue subjected to the most severe chickification that Digimon series had ever done. No “female Taichi” would ever be tagged to her. Even if she played soccer and wore goggle.
Regardless of the special treatment Yuujin got from the fandom because of his gender, Digimon Universe: Appli Monsters, though might not be the best series, still nails at what it specializes the most. Surprising the audience while staying to be faithful to the plot and the characteristics of its casts.
No one would ever think that Yuujin being broken is the price that Haru has to pay, in order to grow himself as a real protagonist. Most audience might have expected that Yuujin would be Haru’s mentor (or at least, rival) since he has already been a “protagonist” from beginning. But haha. Let alone mentoring, Yuujin has been always depending on Haru, like Haru is the whole world to him. Turns out Haru also feels the same way toward Yuujin. But instead of depending on, Haru chooses to be a protagonist (hero) that Yuujin can depend on, to make up for the fact that he can’t save him from Leviathan.
Appmon last episode is pretty much an antithesis to what it appears to be in the first episode. “Yuujin the confident hero and Haru the kindhearted side-character” has been flipped to “Yuujin the selfless, sacrificial lamb and Haru the dependable, determined hero”.
More impressively, this ending doesn’t come out nowhere. Yuujin himself admits that he has always been saved by Haru, both physically and mentally. This pattern is used throughout the series, yet a bit contradicted in the last episode.
In the last arc, the writers makes Haru rise up with determination to save Yuujin as usual, only to be forced to kill him off, in order to stay being a real protagonist and save the world (very cruel scenario, if you ask me).
Last but not least. Yuujin never sees himself as a protagonist, or a hero, or a leader. He is just forced to be seen as one, despite his fragile heart and weak mental, which people tend to shrug off because of his first impression as the polar opposite of the un-Taichi-like protagonist, Haru. And that explains why Yuujin is so easy to be destroyed, unlike Haru.
Yuujin is right. He’s no protagonist. Haru is the real protagonist.
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I think there are problems with your argument. One that Yuujin from girl problems to me their human problems that both gender experience. To prove a point Matt felt isolated and put his protective nature to T.K. to his own determent and Tai when Kari was in danger was very much the same way. Most of the time your just ranting and never really give examples of the double standard. With the him being kidnapped I was always wonder since it was hinted that he might be evil if that was when he was going to betray them. You also got to remember that even tough we didn’t know it at the time he had subconscious programming to get close and earn Haru’s trust. I think Yuujin is a hero because he made that sacrifice play and that one of the meaning in the show was that everyone has the capability to be a hero. He was modeled after the typical Digimon protagonist to be a foil to Haru but you got to remember that it is a arch-type and they can be portrayed in many different ways. He is not exactly like Tai no that would not make him his own character. I thought that he was mentally weak or a fragile heart, because he made some bold decisions to help his friends. You have a right to your opinion but this seems more letting off some steam the actually proving a double standard.
I aware that problems are genderless. That’s why I put quotation marks, before and after the words. “Girls Problems”. Like I’ve said, this is only my guess. Appmon writers might, or might not, have made Yuujin through “the problems similar to the girls in Tri, which is published in the same era as Appmon ”, to show us that even non-protagonist girls like Hikari and Mimi face the problems in more protagonist-like ways, compared to the protagonist-like boy character: Yuujin.
What can we see from this? Yuujin isn’t really a protagonist (hero).
Sure, Yuujin can be a protagonist (hero), if he wants to. But rather than him being a hero, what Yuujin wants is seeing Haru growing up into one. As the proof, we never hear from Yuujin, the typical heroes’ quote: “I should be the one that protects Haru, instead of being the one that is saved by him”. But Yuujin, he surprisingly enjoys it, whenever Haru saves him. In Resshamon episode, Sateramon arc, or Ultimate 4 arc.
My suspect, even if he says that he wants to protect Haru, it’s because he wants to be saved by him later.
The last episode pretty much proves it. Yuujin goes forward to sacrifice himself, after Haru states that he will someday become AI researcher and save him. This, though, still can be argued since Yuujin is under Leviathan’s control. But if we think again, what’s the point of Yuujin stopping Haru from “killing Yuujin” if Yuujin himself ends up “killing himself”? The results are the same: Yuujin and Leviathan die.
Yes, you’re right. It’s to save Haru from becoming “a killer”. And what Yuujin wants if Haru doesn’t end up being a killer? Easy. It’s for Haru staying to be “a real hero”, who will come to save him again one day.
Back again to the double standard. Imagine if Yuujin was a girl, and how the fandom would react to her choice: sacrificing herself to be saved by a boy? This chick sure subjects herself into chickification. Even if girl!Yuujin didn’t say it outrightly that she wanted to be saved, the fandom would arguably see it as that.
But since Yuujin is a boy, no chickification. It’s all just a “heroic sacrifice” to save his loved one and the entire world.
In short, if an action girl without any good reason, shows her weakness to the level being useless in battle, it would be identified as chickification. But if it is a boy, it is just some flaw to make him more human.
Be My Light: A Song that Tells (the real) Oozora Yuujin in 3 Minutes
Everyone has their strong points and also weak points. So does Yuujin. The problem is, because Yuujin is a dependable, protective protagonist-like boy, his weakness, which is “being always in need of Haru’s help” is very difficult to see. However, if he was a dependable, protective protagonist-like girl, like Sora, it would be clearly distinguished, and unfortunately, regarded as weakness.(See my post before)
Sure, despite that weakness, anyone can still be a hero, if they want to. But rather than him being a hero, what Yuujin wants is seeing Haru growing up into one. As the proof, we never hear from Yuujin, the typical hero quote when they end up being saved: “I should be the one that protects Haru, instead of being the one that is saved by him”.
Yuujin, surprisingly enjoys every moment when Haru saves him. In Resshamon episode, Sateramon arc, or Ultimate 4 arc.
This strongly hints that, even if he says that he wants to protect Haru, it’s because he wants to be saved by him later. (Thus the lyrics: “I’ll protect you, but please shine your light on me”).
If we look back, this is actually the pattern of Appmon plot. Yuujin saves Haru, gets into trouble, and is saved by Haru later. The first, yet the most subtle one, is Resshamon episode. Haru gets stumbled and Yuujin puts a band-aid on his injured forehead. Then Resshamon goes rampage, trapping Yuujin and the other passengers inside a runaway train. To link these two incidents together, this episode briefly shows Haru’s forehead when he dives into AR field to save Yuujin and the others.
In Sateramon and Ultimate 4 arcs, it gets more distinguishable. Yuujin (and Offmon) once again saves, not only Haru, but also Eri, Astra, and also Rei later. However, these two arcs turn into him (and Offmon) becoming the one needing to be saved.
The last episode furthermore proves this. Yuujin goes forward to sacrifice himself, only after Haru states that he will someday become AI researcher and save him. This, though, still can be argued since Yuujin is under Leviathan’s control, before going to stop Haru. But if we think again, what’s the point of Yuujin stopping Haru from “killing Yuujin” if Yuujin himself ends up “killing himself”? The results are the same: Yuujin and Leviathan die, everything’s back to normal.
Yes, that’s right. It’s to save Haru from becoming “a killer”. And what Yuujin wants if Haru doesn’t end up being a killer? Easy. It’s for Haru staying to be “a hero”, who will come to save him again one day, as usual.
That explains why even the (actually)fragile and reluctant Yuujin, can smile as bright as sunshine, when he offers himself to be sacrificed for his friends. (Thus the lyrics: If I look as if I’m shining, it’s because you are there for me.)
Unfortunately, the fact that “Yuujin wants to be saved” somehow ends up being at the blind spot of the fandom’s eyes. It could be because, aside that he himself looks like a hero, the one he sees as a hero (Haru), isn’t really like a hero (at first). Even when Haru eventually becomes a real hero, Yuujin steals the spotlight by sacrificing himself to save everyone. Thus, gaining the title ‘hero’, next to Haru. No one can see his hidden “greed”, that wants to be saved once again by the real hero: Haru.
I myself don’t have any trouble with Yuujin, whether him being good or evil, strong or woobie. In fact, I see him as a very unique, complex character, despite not having any significant character development, compared to others. Wants to protect someone because he wants to be saved by them later? It's a very rare case in male characters, who tend to protect someone to show both their affection and strength. Let alone being saved, heroic boys usually don’t want their protected ones to get into danger. Wait…, this sounds familiar…. Oh, yes. Haru says this about Yuujin at the end of Resshamon episode. “I don’t want him getting involved in dangerous situation like today.”
Look at Yuujin’s smile when he finally knows that Haru hides a secret because he wants to protect him.
Why should he thank Haru when he’s the one that saved him? In the same dialogue, Haru says that he feels sorry to make Yuujin worry. On the contrary, Yuujin, with such happy smile, thanks Haru for being worried about him. This is a small detail, but pretty much has proved that Yuujin loves to be spoiled by Haru, even if it’s he himself that chooses to protect. Just like what his partner, Offmon, feels about him.
Speaking of Offmon, he and Yuujiin are similarly weak and strong at the same time. The difference is, if Offmon hides his strength under the mask of his weakness, Yuujin does the opposite. But the reason why they hide it is pretty much the same. They fear it. Offmon fears his uncontrolable strength. While Yuujin fears his weakness hurts other people. (Thus the lyrics: Rather than me being hurt, it will hate it more if someone’s crying.)
Now, let see how the fandom handles this astonishingly unique and complex character.
In non-fiction fanworks, such as review or characters analysis, Yuujin is treated as the ideal protagonist (Mary Sue?) for the unique protagonist, Haru. And that’s that. No more. This dangerously could lead the fandom to see Yuujin’s character as bland, compared to Haru, Eri, Astra, and Rei, even though he’s actually much, much deeper than that.
As for fiction fanworks, we sure know how Action Heroes and Real Action Girls get to be chickified. Unreasonably being weak or protectable for the creators’ convenience. In our Digimon fandom, there are Taichi, Takeru, Daisuke, Mimi, Takato, Ruki…, even the god of punch Masaru isn’t immune to this.
But Yuujin! This Yuujin, who’s severely (yet reasonably) chickified in canon can easily be bestowed with strong, heroic, dependable, or protective roles, just because the other casts seem to be “weaker” than him. While the characters who are actually badass in canon (or turn into badass because of character development), end up becoming chicks in fiction fanworks.
Where’s the justice?
Of course, how the fanworks go, are all up to the creators. Still, I do hope the creators may consider “the real Yuujin” before creating something about him.
Because Oozora Yuujin is actually “gayer” than you already think he is. But that is what makes him unique.
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Quick Question: How does Oozora Yuujin view Shinkai Haru?
A. As a real protagonist
B. As an important friend to be protected
C. As an important friend who would do anything to rescue him
D. All are true
You can save your answer for later. First, let us analyze the choices.
Yuujin says “Haru is the real protagonist” at least four times throughout the series. Twice, when Haru and Offmon respectively regard him as the ideal protagonist, and then twice more after Haru saves him, from a runaway train and Sateramon.
Yuujin isn’t stupid enough not to realize that stopping a run away train is a dangerous task. Yet, after knowing exactly that it’s Haru (and friends) who solves all the ruckus in town lately, he never asks “his precious Haru” to stop being an Appli Driver, even once.
Sure, Yuujin never wants Haru to get into danger, that’s why he wants to protect him. But at what cost? His own safety, or worse, life. It would be too shallow to think that Yuujin decides to take a deal involving his own life just because of Haru being nice to him. It must be more than that.
Minerva, too, should understand this. That’s why, even though she gives Yuujin such harsh question about risking his own life for a friend, she also asks Haru: are you a protagonist? Which Haru has already answered: YES. Minerva expects Haru would save Yuujin and vice versa.
Haru finally realizes this when Yuujin ends up being captured. He’s the one who must save Yuujin, for his choice to be a protagonist.
Haru’s grandfather suggests that Minerva trusting Yuujin with an Appli Drive, hints that Yuujin has grown his own heart by interacting with Haru. Heart, is what differs human from machine, which Yuujin used to be. Heart is where emotions are born. And what emotion has Yuujin grown for Haru because of the latter’s kindness?
It could be “love”, and it doesn’t always mean to be romantic. Still, if you love someone, platonically or romantically, do you also hope that someone you love, will love you back? If Yuujin does have “heart”, he will answer YES.
If Yuujin only views Haru as a protagonist and someone to be protected with his life, even though it’s because he cares for him, he can still be regarded as “no more than a machine” which only obeys the orders given to it, without having its own wish. For to be noticed, gaining Haru’s trust is what Leviathan has ordered Yuujin. And that is what Yuujin has done all along: caring for Haru.
So, what should Yuujin gain to prove he has surpassed his identity as a machine created by Leviathan? Simple. By having his own dream. His own wish. His own greed. And that is: craving to be saved by the real protagonist, Haru, which Leviathan never orders him to. Being repeatedly saved, might someday endanger his rescuer, in this case, Haru, whose trust he has been ordered to gain entirely. Endangering Haru is of course out of the question from the order’s perspective. However, if that is what Yuujin wants, it means that Yuujin has successfully resisted his original program, such that Minerva finally gives him a chance to be an Appli Driver.
Despite of his will to “let Haru dive into danger if it is to save him”, Yuujin does care a lot about Haru. That’s why he never says outright that he wants to be saved. He only says that Haru is his protagonist, for always saving him. Thus, he protects Haru without saying anything about wanting to be saved, as he already has strong faith that, if something happens to him, his protagonist, Haru will rescue him, before he really loses his life.
In the last episode, before pushing Leviathan’s YES button, Yuujin only says, “See you, Haru.” Not “I’ll be waiting for you, Haru.” Because Yuujin knows, if he said the latter, Haru would be burdened by his promise to save him. Even so, it doesn’t alter his deepest desire that he wants to be saved by Haru, again.
So, have you decided your answer?
Bonus question:
How does Shinkai Haru views Oozora Yuujin?
A. As an ideal protagonist
B. As a friend who will protect him
C. As an important friend he has to rescue, no matter what
D. All are false
For this, I will just leave my answer right below, but you can also have your own answer later.
Before Haru gets the Appli Driver and decides to become a protagonist, my answer is A. Clearly proven at the start of episode 1.
After he gets the Appli Driver and decides to become a protagonist, my answer is C. Clearly proven in Resshamon episode .
After Yuujin just becomes an Appli Driver who saves him and his friends from Sateramon, my answer is B. Proven at the beginning of Ultimate 4 arc, when Eri is captured by Knight, Haru desperately sends Yuujin an SOS message.
After Yuujin gets kidnapped and his life was put into danger, my answer is C. Proven by the whole Ultimate 4 arc itself.
After it is revealed that Yuujin is just a tool for Leviathan successfully executing his “evil” plan, my answer drops to D. Haru falls into despair, such that he claims he never really has “his beloved friend, Yuujin” to begin with.
After Yuujin’s lone call of Haru’s name, manages to convince Haru that “the Yuujin that Haru knows” is real and still there, waiting to be saved, my answer goes back to C.
After Yuujin sacrifices himself to let Haru defeat Leviathan without tainting his hands, my answer still stands on C.
My final answer:
E. Haru arguably has the most significant character development, compared to the other casts. So, his view of Yuujin also changes, along with his growth.
On the other hand, Yuujin does not have that significant development. His view of Haru doesn’t change a lot. Proven by how he still insists that Haru is his protagonist, in the Appmon Data Lab segment with Offmon.
Even though he himself has become Haru’s big damn hero twice, he never refers himself as a protagonist. Not just because he sees Haru as a better one, but also because he realizes that someone who’s longing to be saved, even if it must endanger his rescuer, is never worth to be a protagonist.
Oozora Yuujin is such a complex character that I never expected I would write three long posts just about him.
[First Post] [Second Post]
Writing the third one, actually makes me think again about Sora. What if the reason she is so much chickified in 02 is because she wants to be saved by Yamato, whom she clearly has crush on at that time? (Just like Yuujin wants to be saved by his protagonist, Haru).
Well…who knows?
Anyhow, “be careful of what you wish for” is exactly what happens to these boys. Haru wishes to be a hero who can protect people, and Yuujin wishes Haru to be a hero who can save him.
They both get their wishes, tragically.
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yggdrasil // king drasil from digimon savers gif !! since nobody did 'em i have to bear the responsibility as her fan ;D
three host computers from digimon
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Cardmon C1 (Digimon)
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Digimon Universe: Appli Monsters and the Realization of Thomas Hobbes’ Leviathan
The newest installment of the Digimon franchise, Digimon Universe: Appli Monsters introduced an antagonist called Leviathan.
Leviathan is the last boss A.I. that lurks in the deepest part of the Net Ocean and takes the form of a sea serpent. While his appearance is based of the biblical Leviathan, his goal is to realize Thomas Hobbes’ Leviathan.
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maquinamon. composite. evo line splits between robotic (revealed today; mulemon and mockingbirdmon) and beastly (teased).
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Gaomon meditating on a mountain.
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happy 25th anniversary to digimon adventure: our war game! this movie was my introduction to digimon and i still love it to this day
supposed to be a sketch. welp. happy 25th , wargreymon.
Another piece from last year, I drew this one for the 7th anniversary of Appmon's final episode (and also the show's 8th anniversary just one day after). No Digimon anime has ever made me cry as much as Appmon did, and I say this as someone who cries very easily lol. Haru and Yuujin mean a lot to me and I wanted to convey that in some way, I had a very specific image in mind while working on this and was a little sad I couldn't get it to look exactly the way i wanted, but I think it's still nice enough :')