Llannerch Pellger

‡28M‡ ‡Dominant/witch/role player and lover of all things soft, haunting and forbidden‡ ‡#Darkness #Witchy #Gothic #Dark Femininity‡ ‡"It has been so long. You desires welcome you home."‡

[oeddmae]

[oeddmae]

I've been seeing a lot of discussion lately in the witchy community regarding Lilith and whether or not Jews lay some half-baked "claim" on her.

So I decided, as an enthusiast of the history of the abrahamic faiths, to give my ten cents.. because Gwaedlladd knows that just my two cents wouldn't be enough.

Lilith is technically Jewish.. but only in the same way that Mithras is technically Roman.

That is to say.. she isn't. Not really

Both are foreign deities (in Lilith's case, Mesopotamian) with a native (exilic-period Judean) coat of fanficy paint.

Only two groups of people could possibly argue with this.

The Jews.. who would obviously be biased towards their own faith (since at the end of the day, Jewish religion is still a religion. I don't know how many of you need to be told that but there you go).

People who genuinely believe that Lilith was a major character in the Bible.. and thus haven't done any real research on the figure outside of watching Supernatural and Hazbin Hotel.

Both groups would basically be doing the equivalent of saying the character of Spock from Star Trek belongs to Marvel comics because he knocked out Wolverine in a crossover once.

And just to drive the point home and get myself in as much trouble as possible.. yes, I am explicitly "talking over" your precious Jews right now.

Because unlike you all, I don't give a single fucking SHIT that the 1940's happened. I give a shit about who's done their homework and who can look at that homework with an unbiased eye.

So.. me. I give a shit about me and what I'm saying.. because I'm fucking right and all of you "educated" dipwads are fucking wrong.

The Mesopotamians are gone. Lilith is open.

Doesn't matter what people who easily have their heartstrings pulled think about it.

Doesn't matter what the "oppressed" group doing the heartstring pulling has to say about it either.

What the fuck are they going to do about this? Angrily explode more children? 🙄

[jraker4]

Be honest, now: do you really regard your own eye as 'unbiased'? I'm not asking whether if on reflection you think you're right or not. Obviously you do. I'm asking if you think you're unbiased. Because you said you were unbiased. You didn't say 'I am aware that like every human being, I am subject to biases conscious and unconscious, and I've worked to account for mine and address them in my thoughts on this subject'. You said your eye was unbiased.

[oeddmae]

Have you hit your quota for the number of times you need to repeat your question and main point in a reblog?

Or do you need a couple more minutes to reach it?

Just checking.

[jraker4]

I tailored the question to the recipient:) That's a 'yes', then, thank you. Not surprising, but you don't know until you ask.

[oeddmae]

Ooooo catty.

But yes there are very few things that I would confess myself to not be unbiased about.

The study of religion is not one of them.

And no I didn't say "I'm a human therefore blah blah" because I refuse to give the appearance of humility simply for the sake of optics.

[jraker4]

I have a feeling it's very on brand for you to remark about cattiness in this context:) Acknowledging that bias is inescapable without a lot of work, particularly on a subject such as 'the study of religion' (not that you've shown any evidence of that-you simply made some claims) isn't optics, it's wisdom. It's not optics to say 'this is a difficult task, but I've thought about and worked on it and I think I've accounted for it'. It's telling that you sneer at that as optics. Speaks to the value of your thoughts on the study of religion, really.

[oeddmae]

There is a line that you are attempting to blur between what my audience knows about me and what I know about me

My audience will see me however it is they please to. You do not have access to the inside of my head and you never can.

If you require yourself to put on a performance of uncertainty in order to feel intelligent, that is your prerogative and your prerogative alone.

[jraker4]

'Your audience'? You really commit to this whole 'I'm not gonna make even an appearance of humility, don't you?:) It's like your allergic to even a headfake of humility. I don't need access to the inside of your head to suspect, initially, that you're very far from being free from bias on the subject of religion. You're a human being. That initial suspicion became basically certainty after reading just a few of your thoughts on the subject. One of the funny things is, though, is that you've still not offered any evidence at all-beyond your own unsubstantiated word, which is basically worthless-to support your initial claims. I guess 'your audience' knows you well enough to know you're such an established expert that your remarks on the subject are more or less ex cathedra? (Yes, I'm a fan of irony.)

[oeddmae]

I was raised Catholic.. I became a filthy non-believer at a very young age.. and I returned to the study of religion because I wanted a better understanding of what precisely I left behind.

I'm unbiased.

And the only thing you're proving with that last paragraph is that you're exactly the kind of pop-culture-worshiping twerp I was gunning after in my original post.

This isn't your college debate club. It's not my job to convince you of objective reality. You're a big boy and should be able to see it for yourself.

Oh wait no you're not going to because you're content to use your humanity as an excuse to be biased, by your own admission.

Go fuck yourself dude. 🙄

[oeddmae]

I've been seeing a lot of discussion lately in the witchy community regarding Lilith and whether or not Jews lay some half-baked "claim" on her.

So I decided, as an enthusiast of the history of the abrahamic faiths, to give my ten cents.. because Gwaedlladd knows that just my two cents wouldn't be enough.

Lilith is technically Jewish.. but only in the same way that Mithras is technically Roman.

That is to say.. she isn't. Not really

Both are foreign deities (in Lilith's case, Mesopotamian) with a native (exilic-period Judean) coat of fanficy paint.

Only two groups of people could possibly argue with this.

The Jews.. who would obviously be biased towards their own faith (since at the end of the day, Jewish religion is still a religion. I don't know how many of you need to be told that but there you go).

People who genuinely believe that Lilith was a major character in the Bible.. and thus haven't done any real research on the figure outside of watching Supernatural and Hazbin Hotel.

Both groups would basically be doing the equivalent of saying the character of Spock from Star Trek belongs to Marvel comics because he knocked out Wolverine in a crossover once.

And just to drive the point home and get myself in as much trouble as possible.. yes, I am explicitly "talking over" your precious Jews right now.

Because unlike you all, I don't give a single fucking SHIT that the 1940's happened. I give a shit about who's done their homework and who can look at that homework with an unbiased eye.

So.. me. I give a shit about me and what I'm saying.. because I'm fucking right and all of you "educated" dipwads are fucking wrong.

The Mesopotamians are gone. Lilith is open.

Doesn't matter what people who easily have their heartstrings pulled think about it.

Doesn't matter what the "oppressed" group doing the heartstring pulling has to say about it either.

What the fuck are they going to do about this? Angrily explode more children? 🙄

[jraker4]

Be honest, now: do you really regard your own eye as 'unbiased'? I'm not asking whether if on reflection you think you're right or not. Obviously you do. I'm asking if you think you're unbiased. Because you said you were unbiased. You didn't say 'I am aware that like every human being, I am subject to biases conscious and unconscious, and I've worked to account for mine and address them in my thoughts on this subject'. You said your eye was unbiased.

[oeddmae]

Have you hit your quota for the number of times you need to repeat your question and main point in a reblog?

Or do you need a couple more minutes to reach it?

Just checking.

[jraker4]

I tailored the question to the recipient:) That's a 'yes', then, thank you. Not surprising, but you don't know until you ask.

[oeddmae]

Ooooo catty.

But yes there are very few things that I would confess myself to not be unbiased about.

The study of religion is not one of them.

And no I didn't say "I'm a human therefore blah blah" because I refuse to give the appearance of humility simply for the sake of optics.

[jraker4]

I have a feeling it's very on brand for you to remark about cattiness in this context:) Acknowledging that bias is inescapable without a lot of work, particularly on a subject such as 'the study of religion' (not that you've shown any evidence of that-you simply made some claims) isn't optics, it's wisdom. It's not optics to say 'this is a difficult task, but I've thought about and worked on it and I think I've accounted for it'. It's telling that you sneer at that as optics. Speaks to the value of your thoughts on the study of religion, really.

[oeddmae]

There is a line that you are attempting to blur between what my audience knows about me and what I know about me

My audience will see me however it is they please to. You do not have access to the inside of my head and you never can.

If you require yourself to put on a performance of uncertainty in order to feel intelligent, that is your prerogative and your prerogative alone.

[oeddmae]

I've been seeing a lot of discussion lately in the witchy community regarding Lilith and whether or not Jews lay some half-baked "claim" on her.

So I decided, as an enthusiast of the history of the abrahamic faiths, to give my ten cents.. because Gwaedlladd knows that just my two cents wouldn't be enough.

Lilith is technically Jewish.. but only in the same way that Mithras is technically Roman.

That is to say.. she isn't. Not really

Both are foreign deities (in Lilith's case, Mesopotamian) with a native (exilic-period Judean) coat of fanficy paint.

Only two groups of people could possibly argue with this.

The Jews.. who would obviously be biased towards their own faith (since at the end of the day, Jewish religion is still a religion. I don't know how many of you need to be told that but there you go).

People who genuinely believe that Lilith was a major character in the Bible.. and thus haven't done any real research on the figure outside of watching Supernatural and Hazbin Hotel.

Both groups would basically be doing the equivalent of saying the character of Spock from Star Trek belongs to Marvel comics because he knocked out Wolverine in a crossover once.

And just to drive the point home and get myself in as much trouble as possible.. yes, I am explicitly "talking over" your precious Jews right now.

Because unlike you all, I don't give a single fucking SHIT that the 1940's happened. I give a shit about who's done their homework and who can look at that homework with an unbiased eye.

So.. me. I give a shit about me and what I'm saying.. because I'm fucking right and all of you "educated" dipwads are fucking wrong.

The Mesopotamians are gone. Lilith is open.

Doesn't matter what people who easily have their heartstrings pulled think about it.

Doesn't matter what the "oppressed" group doing the heartstring pulling has to say about it either.

What the fuck are they going to do about this? Angrily explode more children? 🙄

[jraker4]

Be honest, now: do you really regard your own eye as 'unbiased'? I'm not asking whether if on reflection you think you're right or not. Obviously you do. I'm asking if you think you're unbiased. Because you said you were unbiased. You didn't say 'I am aware that like every human being, I am subject to biases conscious and unconscious, and I've worked to account for mine and address them in my thoughts on this subject'. You said your eye was unbiased.

[oeddmae]

Have you hit your quota for the number of times you need to repeat your question and main point in a reblog?

Or do you need a couple more minutes to reach it?

Just checking.

[jraker4]

I tailored the question to the recipient:) That's a 'yes', then, thank you. Not surprising, but you don't know until you ask.

[oeddmae]

Ooooo catty.

But yes there are very few things that I would confess myself to not be unbiased about.

The study of religion is not one of them.

And no I didn't say "I'm a human therefore blah blah" because I refuse to give the appearance of humility simply for the sake of optics.

[oeddmae]

I've been seeing a lot of discussion lately in the witchy community regarding Lilith and whether or not Jews lay some half-baked "claim" on her.

So I decided, as an enthusiast of the history of the abrahamic faiths, to give my ten cents.. because Gwaedlladd knows that just my two cents wouldn't be enough.

Lilith is technically Jewish.. but only in the same way that Mithras is technically Roman.

That is to say.. she isn't. Not really

Both are foreign deities (in Lilith's case, Mesopotamian) with a native (exilic-period Judean) coat of fanficy paint.

Only two groups of people could possibly argue with this.

The Jews.. who would obviously be biased towards their own faith (since at the end of the day, Jewish religion is still a religion. I don't know how many of you need to be told that but there you go).

People who genuinely believe that Lilith was a major character in the Bible.. and thus haven't done any real research on the figure outside of watching Supernatural and Hazbin Hotel.

Both groups would basically be doing the equivalent of saying the character of Spock from Star Trek belongs to Marvel comics because he knocked out Wolverine in a crossover once.

And just to drive the point home and get myself in as much trouble as possible.. yes, I am explicitly "talking over" your precious Jews right now.

Because unlike you all, I don't give a single fucking SHIT that the 1940's happened. I give a shit about who's done their homework and who can look at that homework with an unbiased eye.

So.. me. I give a shit about me and what I'm saying.. because I'm fucking right and all of you "educated" dipwads are fucking wrong.

The Mesopotamians are gone. Lilith is open.

Doesn't matter what people who easily have their heartstrings pulled think about it.

Doesn't matter what the "oppressed" group doing the heartstring pulling has to say about it either.

What the fuck are they going to do about this? Angrily explode more children? 🙄

[jraker4]

Be honest, now: do you really regard your own eye as 'unbiased'? I'm not asking whether if on reflection you think you're right or not. Obviously you do. I'm asking if you think you're unbiased. Because you said you were unbiased. You didn't say 'I am aware that like every human being, I am subject to biases conscious and unconscious, and I've worked to account for mine and address them in my thoughts on this subject'. You said your eye was unbiased.

[oeddmae]

Have you hit your quota for the number of times you need to repeat your question and main point in a reblog?

Or do you need a couple more minutes to reach it?

Just checking.

[oeddmae]

I got to say.. in all sincerity and no respect whatsoever..

You "just look at the ingredients label, duh" people are dumb as shit.

Not only are you dumb as shit, but your advice is also potentially dangerous.

I just had to throw away a protein bar that I bought with my money because the ingredient label did not mention that it contained a significant amount of milk and I didn't think to do a whole Google deep dive into the manufacturer before buying the fucking thing.

Are companies required by law to list the major allergens they work with on their products?

Yes, they are.

Do they fucking do it?

No. No they consistently don't.

I don't know if that has to do with intentional sneakiness on part of the manufacturers or if the law itself is enforced with wet tissue paper. And I don't care.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that people could potentially be killed by your half-assed and smug "advice" by assuming that a food is safe because the product doesn't have their allergen listed on it.

The truth is when it comes to allergies, you can never be too careful or too paranoid.

Making fun of people who are exercising the appropriate (high) level of caution in this fucked up system we have that doesn't hold anybody accountable is fucking abhorrent and it WILL get people who are new to their allergies hurt.

Do. Fucking. Better.

[oeddmae]

CTHULHU IS NOT A FUCKING GOD IN-UNIVERSE AND NYARLETHOTEP IS NOT A GREAT OLD ONE!!!

Thank you. As you were.

[oeddmae]

Should I put "Lev 26:29" ("you shall consume the flesh of your sons and you shall consume the flesh of your daughters") in my blog description even though I am not any kind of Christian?

Yes. It would be hilarious.

No. It would be misleading.

Remaining time: 3 days 3 hours

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Temptation

[oeddmae]

I've been seeing a lot of discussion lately in the witchy community regarding Lilith and whether or not Jews lay some half-baked "claim" on her.

So I decided, as an enthusiast of the history of the abrahamic faiths, to give my ten cents.. because Gwaedlladd knows that just my two cents wouldn't be enough.

Lilith is technically Jewish.. but only in the same way that Mithras is technically Roman.

That is to say.. she isn't. Not really

Both are foreign deities (in Lilith's case, Mesopotamian) with a native (exilic-period Judean) coat of fanficy paint.

Only two groups of people could possibly argue with this.

The Jews.. who would obviously be biased towards their own faith (since at the end of the day, Jewish religion is still a religion. I don't know how many of you need to be told that but there you go).

People who genuinely believe that Lilith was a major character in the Bible.. and thus haven't done any real research on the figure outside of watching Supernatural and Hazbin Hotel.

Both groups would basically be doing the equivalent of saying the character of Spock from Star Trek belongs to Marvel comics because he knocked out Wolverine in a crossover once.

And just to drive the point home and get myself in as much trouble as possible.. yes, I am explicitly "talking over" your precious Jews right now.

Because unlike you all, I don't give a single fucking SHIT that the 1940's happened. I give a shit about who's done their homework and who can look at that homework with an unbiased eye.

So.. me. I give a shit about me and what I'm saying.. because I'm fucking right and all of you "educated" dipwads are fucking wrong.

The Mesopotamians are gone. Lilith is open.

Doesn't matter what people who easily have their heartstrings pulled think about it.

Doesn't matter what the "oppressed" group doing the heartstring pulling has to say about it either.

What the fuck are they going to do about this? Angrily explode more children? 🙄

[snazzy-fox]

i have seen so many fucking porn ads recently. oh my god. tumblr. please stop giving me ads that I've reported REPEATEDLY for just being slightly cropped porn. oml

[oeddmae]

No

Embrace the horny

[oeddmae]

I'm going to go ahead and aggressively demand that my fellow autistics stop apologizing to pussyhurt NTs on behalf of each other (and, by extension, me).

Some of us know damn well what we're doing when we piss people off. We don't want to hear it. We don't want to be whined to about the effect we have on people. We have no interest in using spectrum as a shield for things that we do intentionally and we're not sorry.

Do not project your lack of a spine onto the rest of us.

[swanscissorhands777]

[oeddmae]

Tumblr, no.

Me commenting on a single anti-Ai post does not equal invitation to scourge my feed with the drivel of the cognitively obsolete.

Bad.

BAD algorithm.

NAUGHTY.

[oeddmae]

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