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@pagansofcolor
Hi! Lately I've been noticing an increase of posts from witchblr listing copal as an ingredient that should be in "every witch's cupboard." was wondering if you would be willing to help spread awareness that copal should not be used in witchcraft (except for brujería) and especially should not used by non-Latine white people. It is cultural appropriation
While you're right about copal being a part of mesoamerican religious traditions, copal (from different species of copal trees) is found in South America, East Africa, Madagascar, and New Zealand as well. So I can't in good faith spread that copal should only be used in Brujeria as it would be erasing the fact that other religious and cultural groups all over used and do to this day. The Encyclopedia Britannica has a basic listing of where different sources of copal come from. A dry read, but it gives you information to look more into it if you like.
Unfortunately I don't really know enough about how it's used to specifically say don't do X with copal, so I encourage others to weigh in. As with any closed practice, I do feel it should be left to the people of those communities to decide if others are allowed to use their practices or not (and I know many native Latino groups say no), and everyone should do research on new ingredients and practices.
Just because some blog says an ingredient should be a staple of their practice, doesn't mean they're right. On a side note, I really feel like this is a growing problem in paganism - fad ingredients, just like fad diet foods, trending in waves regardless of cost to the planet, risk to health, and of course to the detriment of cultures all over.
Hey! I'm kind of curious; since so many basic issues affecting people of color have become deeply politicized, where do you draw the line between good faith activism and political propaganda? I imagine that boundary will need to be set down pretty early on. I'm excited to see where the blog goes from here!
I imagine a lot of it will have to be developed as it goes, but primarily I think the starting guideline is "Does this political belief or ideology cause harm to others?" After that, "Who does this benefit?"
just wanted to say that, thanks to this blog, i was able to find information on polytheism within the philippines. being pinay and completely disconnected from that side, i've felt lost and unsure of myself. i've considered other practices, but they never sat well with me. i hope now i can find peace and connect with my ancestry.
I'm glad we were able to help you, Nonny! I wish you the best in your practice! <3
For those who have trouble reading that:
Imagine being a black, gay drag queen in the 1800s after being born into enslavement AND having the style and cachè to throw soirées that the girls had to come to! That’s why I don’t want to hear this “we’re not our ancestors stuff.” You’re right!
From The Very Black Project Page- William Dorsey Swann was a gay liberation activist. Born into slavery in 1858, he was the first person in the United States to lead a queer resistance group and the first known person to self-identify as a “queen of drag”. Imagine the queenery of this icon.
He was a slave in Hancock, Maryland and was freed by Union soldiers after the Emancipation Proclamation went into effect. During the 1880s and 1890s, he organized a series of balls in Washington, D.C. He called himself the “queen of drag”. Most of the attendees his gatherings were men who were former slaves, and were gathering to dance in their satin and silk dresses. William was arrested in police raids numerous times,including in the first documented case of arrests for female impersonation in the United States, on April 12, 1888. In 1896, he was falsely convicted and sentenced to 10 months in jail for “keeping a disorderly house” (running a brothel). After his sentencing, he requested a pardon from President Grover Cleveland. This request was denied, but but he was the first American on record who pursued legal and political action to defend the LGBTQ community’s right to gather.
He was known to have been close with Pierce Lafayette and Felix Hall, two men who had also both been slaves and who formed the first known male same-sex relationship between enslaved Americans.
When William stopped organizing and participating in drag events, his brother continued to make costumes for the drag community. Two of his brothers had also been active participants in his drag balls.
Imagine how intelligent and ambitious this man had to be to come up with drag balls in the 1800s! Imagine how many terrible concepts he had to unlearn by himself to be a confident gay black man who does drag in the 1800s! Imagine how courageous he had to be to fight for lgbt people as a former slave in America in the 1800s!
William Dorsey Swann is the original queen, the original drag mother, the original activist. Tell his story!
I assume these have been posted, but friends, you HAVE to see some more photos from this shoot:
Hello from the Tumblr Graveyard!
We've been inactive for a very long time, and I'll be honest- I don't know which mods will be back or of we'll be needing to summon up a few new ones.
Pagans of Color was started to be a voice for people of color to have place to connect, find resources, information, and share all the good and bad of the pagan community as it affected those of us who identify as POC.
I'd like to start that again and grow more if possible (with help, I'm only one middle aged bitch). Please send in topic requests, questions, share posts and discussion threads. I'll be filtering out any material which is inappropriate, such as p*rn (artistic nudity or religious nudity is not the same), material with m*n*rs in inappropriate situations, p*litic*l pr*p*ganda(except in cases of discussion at discretion of mods), and any material that would get us shut down. If you're not sure, please ask, cause I can't think of everything and aim fallible.
Ghetto Tarot, The Star
For anyone who doesnt know, the Ghetto Tarot was made by a white woman who makes all the profit off of these photos and her tarot deck, which draws on the work of many talented Haitian artists.
Meet Alice Smeets:
As far as I’m aware she doesn’t share any of the profits from the tarot deck with those artists who helped create it, she just mentions them and credits them briefly on her website…
If you want to support the Haitian artists behind the creation of this deck, check them out here!!
YIKES I had absolutely NO idea
Thank you @spiritroots for the clarification!! I know I saw some of yall say yall wanted this deck, support the artists and not dis lady!!!
@ashleykatina
😭😭😭😭🙃🙃🙃
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Hate mail blocking efficiency.
Ghetto Tarot, The Star
For anyone who doesnt know, the Ghetto Tarot was made by a white woman who makes all the profit off of these photos and her tarot deck, which draws on the work of many talented Haitian artists.
Meet Alice Smeets:
As far as I’m aware she doesn’t share any of the profits from the tarot deck with those artists who helped create it, she just mentions them and credits them briefly on her website…
If you want to support the Haitian artists behind the creation of this deck, check them out here!!
YIKES I had absolutely NO idea
Thank you @spiritroots for the clarification!! I know I saw some of yall say yall wanted this deck, support the artists and not dis lady!!!
@ashleykatina
😭😭😭😭🙃🙃🙃
I just read a post you reblogged about smudging, and about how it's become a fad, and how, generally, white ppl shouldn't smugde. And I agree w both of those things. But I'm a white person and I burn sweetgrass because I enjoy the scent and don't rly use it for cleansing or prayer, but I am wondering if it's offensive? I have many native relatives I could ask but they live out of state & I'm not close to them anymore. I realize not all native american's share the same opinions, obviously (1/2)
but I figured I could start here. It may be worth adding that I have native american heritage and native family members but I'm white passing and was never really introduced to the culture of my/my family member's tribe as a child. So I feel like it would be ca if I smudged or practiced similar activities, but at the same time, I want to feel in touch with those that I came from. I know nothing about my father's heritage and only know that the white side of my mother's family is Irish. Ty! (2/2)
if you enjoy the scent there’s nothing wrong. What the issue was is that people who “smudge” and claim it as a spiritual practice of their own when it isn’t. They don’t know the specific actions, words and motions and inner context that goes into a smudging ritual.
There’s also nothing wrong with looking into your heritage - if it truly is your heritage. What clan of indigenous peoples exactly? This matters. Just saying “native american heritage” doesn’t give the best image. Since not every single clan/group even had the same beliefs or traditions. Begin by finding what clan first. Then reach out to the clan’s reservation, start immersing yourself into the community, community service, speak with the elders and councils.
- trueriptide
It seems a lot of the links on the right of this blog are dead. I'm worried and wondering if you've been hacked or received so much resistance you've taken stuff down? I have noticed there are recent entries, so that's good! But curious to know what happened?
We are in the process of re-setting up those links! A lot of them are from outside sources or other tumblr articles. We’d appreciate any help! :)
- trueriptide
새해복 많이 받으세요! A very happy lunar new year to you all. We laughed, we cried, we enjoyed all the food and goodies. May the year of the dog treat you well.
Lunar New Year is tomorrow!! Those born in the year of the dog, tiger and horse are in the last year of their three year bad luck cycle.
I’ll be making 떡국 (rice cake soup) for my gods, I got three different kinds of fruit for offerings, soju, and new toys and candy for the children gods.
If you’d like me to light incense and pray for you at temple, PM me your name and birthdate! Donations always welcome for the cost of offerings at venmo (themudang). Payment not required this time, especially since there’s plenty people out there who can’t make it to visit family and ancestral graves. :)
Hi-- this is something i have been struggling with a lot and I was wondering if any of you had any advice. I am a sort-of white passing poc I think... but the problem is I am from a big amalgation of ethnicities that can mostly be generalized as eastern european ashkenazic jewish, east asian (mongolia, vietnam, china) and east/south russian as well as french. And I am really struggling both with how to identify my "culture" as how I was raised and how my parents and ancestors were raised is 1/?
is very varied and confusing, like for instance, my parents dedicated years of their lives to Aikido and studied under a japanese sensei who passed on a lot of traditions to them that they then passed to me, my mom passed on a lot of jewish traditions to me, my dad passed on chinese, russian, mongolian, and even chilean (because he was raised in chile) traditions to me, and I struggle a lot with understanding my position in relation to these cultures that I feel like I can’t lay claim to 2/?
because I’m not fully of any one of them. But I also don’t feel like I can comfortably say that I’m white, even though I can sometimes (though many people ask me “what are you?” after they meet me), or ignore any of these cultures that have impacted me so much growing up. And in relation to my practices or paganism, I find it hard to know what I can adopt, when what feels right to me based on my upbringing, I may not be insert heritage-enough to adopt. I just feel, as a mixed race person 3/
this all feels so much more complicated– some of it may be guilt? some of it may be my lack of community growing up? but I feel so lost with my identity, like I am shut out of claiming to be anything because I am also so many other things, like I barely feel comfortable saying im jewish bc i dont LOOK jewish even though I AM, I don’t feel comf. saying that im “asian” even though I LOOK “asian” am I really chinese/mongolian/vietnamese enough to be asian? Please help in anyway I am so lost. 4
I can understand your troubles up to a point. Although I’m not white passing, I can be considered mix (I’m actually only 3/4 korean, 1/4 misc white) but because of my features, no one ever questions if I just say I’m full korean.
But remember, the percentages here... it isn’t helpful to narrow down on it like this. It will only drive you to be upset. I was raised both Korean and American, but mostly American after a certain age. So I understand being pulled different ways.
No, it would not be CA if you wanted to further look into any of your heritages. It’s a part of you, even if you weren’t culturally raised in it, it’s your ethnicity. Just because you’re so mixed doesn’t mean you’re obstructed from learning about your roots.
Identify as you feel comfortable. It’s completely up to you. IMO, you do look asian to me. One can’t really peg a Jewish person by looks alone though, so that one is really up in the air, though if you’re culturally jewish, why not include it? Looks and what people assume you to be only goes so far.
- trueriptide
I don't know if you're still posting or not but I'm not sure who else to ask I guess I'll go for it. Is Chinese folk religion an open or closed tradition? I Googled it but I couldn't find anything.
Hi, thanks for the question. I (mod Han) have been a bit busy so I haven’t been on as I would like, which explains the radio silence.
Now that’s a tricky question. Firstly, I am Chinese and I grew up in a family that did maintain the practices of Chinese folk religion, so I do have lived experience regarding it.
Okay so I went to ask my mom for a second opinion on this just so we have a diversity of opinions on this.
Chinese folk religion is both closed and open, I’ll explain. We don’t have a central authority that regulates the religion, it is very populist and of the people. Now there are outsiders who partake in the religion, I have come across white people who have been initiated in my google searches. When it comes to ceremonies and rituals, they are open to outsiders. The exception is ancestor worship, a major part of the Chinese folk religion. You have to have familial (blood or adoption) connection to the ancestors in order to partake in the ancestor worship. Praying to the wrong ancestor is considered a major offense. There are 2 possible ways for non-Chinese to be apart of ancestor worship. First, a non-Chinese woman marries a Chinese man and she’s considered part of the family. The non-Chinese has to be a woman because our ancestry is passed down through the male lineage. You can’t be a non-Chinese male marrying a Chinese woman, the Chinese woman would be able to pray to her ancestors but her foreign husband could not as those are not his ancestors. That’s one way as an outsider to participate in ancestor worship. The second way is if you’re adopted into a Chinese family. In Malaysia, we do have Chinese families who adopt Indian babies and they are considered to be as Chinese as a full-blooded Chinese. Those are the only ways for outsiders to be able to participate in the ancestor worship at temples.
Now with all of that said, I will now be putting down my personal opinions on outsiders wanting to partake in Chinese folk religion. Keep in mind that other Chinese people may disagree with my views, because we are not a monolith. These are just my views on the matter.
I personally feel uncomfortable with white people in particular wanting to have a piece of my culture, mostly due to centuries of colonialism, imperialism and anti-Chinese racism that has affected my people greatly. If you’re a white person interested in participating in Chinese folk religion, I would suggest that you take a moment to reflect on why exactly you would want to participate. Reasons like “it looks cool”, “it’s so exotic”, “aesthetics”, etc. are not good enough reasons. If you really want to participate, take the time to read up on the issues that plague the Chinese community. Read up on colonialism and imperialism, and how they have affected the Chinese. Read on how the West has harbored anti-Chinese sentiment and how that has affected us. That’s especially important as many Chinese living in the West have had to give up Chinese folk religion in order to assimilate. I was lucky I was born in Southeast Asia as we were able to preserve our practices. Read up on how exotification and fetishization affects us. I suggest to look into those things because I feel that if outsiders wish to participate in our culture, they must first care about the people that originated it in the first place. You can’t separate the culture from the people. If people want me to go into any further detail on the above, send me an ask on my personal tumblr (hanwitchx), I don’t mind expanding a bit more on what I’ve wrote.
- Mod Han
Does anyone know if the Han Chinese folk religion is an open tradition? We’re teaching our church kiddos about pantheons, but sense most kids have an “I want to do that” response to interesting topics and our students are majority white I want to try and avoid talking about the pantheons of closed traditions. I Googled it, but nothing came up. Do any of y'all know?
Heathen Chinese is a good staple point of reference if you have questions - he’s found on various parts of the web, usually wordpress. AFAIK, Han Chinese folk religion is not an open tradition. Culturally, one must be invited into it in order to participate.
If you want to go over something similar, I suggest certain sects of Buddhist and Taoist “deities” to go over. Jinja Shinto is open as well, so you could go over Kami?
- trueriptide
Is this blog still active? If so, I was wondering if there is a masterlist or if anyone knows of any pagans of color on here that worships or works with any of the Orisha?
This blog will be picking back up, especially once we get our links sorted out.
We do not keep track of any masterlists, but I’ll post this for you in case someone else knows of such a list floating around on tumblr!
- trueriptide