The Box

Former Hellaverse megafan turned Hellaverse/Spindlehorse critical and skeptical Hazbin/Helluva fan.

[thevoidbnnuy]

NEVER GIVE UP ON YOUR HOPES AND DREAMS

ALWAYS BELIEVE IN YOURSELF

DREAMS DO COME TRUE

ZOOPHOBIA IN 2026 IS REAL

[artyphex]

Man, people suck D: The Zoophobia revival gets announced and people are IMMEDIATELY jumping to call the original garbage and horrible. My brother in christ, it was written by a highschool girl. It's not gonna be high art. Just. What's even the point of this.

The original Zoophobia isn’t perfect. It’s messy. But it has a lot of passion and heart in it. I’m expecting the reboot to be very different from the original comic and based on how Viv discussed it at LVLUP it sounds like the case!

[palisman273]

Gooseworx should co-create the Zoophobia miniseries if Viv wants the show to be good

With TADC finally ending, and Goose not seeming to have plans atm I'd like to propose an idea for her to pickup that she may very much be interested in.

So, Viv has recently announced she will be doing a reboot of Zoophobia as an animated miniseries and I have stated I actually hope it will be great and Viv can prove she makes something great under her belt. However, her track record of poor writing and barely improving, not to mention the writing being easily the weakest part of the comic hinders that hope for me.

So then I thought, how about Viv actually collaborates with someone who did work on a miniseries and effectively mined as much drama, character development and worldbuilding in only a few episodes than Viv ever did in 2 seasons of both of her shows?

We already know Goose loves Zoophobia as she's made musical compositions for the comic before. So why not take her up to a higher level and also have her co-write the show along with Viv? She could make the miniseries have balanced focus and actually good pacing.

I think it could not only end the fandom rivalry between TADC fandom and the Hellaverse fandom, but it could make something truly amazing from Spindlehorse.

[tielmamon]

Sifu Rockman and Twinkletoes 🪨💨

[palisman273]

I love them so much

[kitti-lee]

The Hellaverse hatedom is genuinely the most disgusting, vile, racist, bigoted group of people I’ve ever encountered in my life. They don’t want accountability from people who have made mistakes in the past. If that’s what it was about they’d be listening to the people who were actually hurt. They’re calling anyone who disagrees with them slurs. They just doxxed and bullied someone into attempting s*icude. They’re calling ice on poc fans. They’re sending death and r*pe threats to people.

People are sharing proof of these things happening but I’m not gonna repost them because I’m scared they’ll be targeted even further.

“Oh it’s just ragebait or trolls.” Fuck off. Threats aren’t a joke. Doxxing isn’t a joke.

I don’t give a shit if you hate the show or Viv or whatever. Post your critiques with the proper tags. Nothing wrong with that. But you can’t fucking pretend this behavior is warranted or okay in any way. Shame on you.

[palisman273]

As a critic of Viv and Spindlehorse, I do agree

[nb-nightwing-deactivated2022111]

they posted a full version lol it’s mr Stacy’s dad for me

[the-fallen-blue]

[palisman273]

I will give Viv this one chance to make something great

Please deliver on this

[palisman273]

After watching Hazbin season 2, I was right about Viv and female characters

Because holy shit, she just reinforced it. She KNOWS how to write great female characters. Sera is an absolutely phenomenal character and is easily the most complex figure Vivziepop has ever written. Her redemption is just beautiful af and she gets ample focus on her psyche.

Same went for Carmilla this season and even Emily. All of three of them are just great. Lute is...well, ok she kinda sucks this season but, for the most part, holy shit, those three were great. But as I've stated before, notice who these three are: Supporting characters. They aren't the main cast (Hotel gang)

So it just pains me when I can see Viv shows she definitely knows how to write women characters, even great ones like Sera, but when it came to the female characters in the Hotel gang, she fucking fumbled it.

Charlie this season is just fucking abysmal. I get that her regressing is the point, but not only is her arc so rushed, she remains static and uninteresting althroughout somehow. Vaggi is reduced to a name change, and not exploring her past as an Exorcist all that much. Niffty is the least bad of them as she's just comic relief, but she's still nothing that great.

So, all this is saying is, Viv knows how to write women, as long as they are not the main cast

Jeez

[00egg00]

I’ve been watching too many Chris Chan lore videos –

[palisman273]

Lmao, this makes Chris both way too feminine and pretty and also way too manly and muscular

[carlizwall]

Confirmed that our king is also a PANcake lover

🩷💛🩵

[palisman273]

Morgana Ignis is an arrogant, unprofessional piece of shit who needs to be called out

Viv deserves to be put on a lot of the blame for this Valentine's merch debacle but guys, Morgana is literally the one in charge of overseeing the merch. She, alongside maybe Adam Neylan, are easily the worst of Vivzie's Yes People and she thinks she can get away with her unprofessional behavior cause she's trans and throw the transphobia/homophobia rebuttal to her critics. Fuck off, Morgana. You are responsible for the garbage way the merch was handled and created, you will get called out.

[palisman273]

I had a realization

It's not that Vivziepop can't write female characters well. She CAN. It's that she can't write female MAIN characters well. Carmilla Carmine, Mrs. Mayberry, Verosika (Sa'ing Moxxie aside), Sera (I've seen the leaks she actually is really interesting), etc

These ARE interesting, three dimensional, fleshed out characters (relatively speaking), with their own clear goals and motives but they're purely supporting characters, secondary and even tertiary to the protagonists.

Meanwhile, Charlie, Vaggie, Millie, Niffty, Loona are part of their shows' main casts but they're all either underdeveloped, uninteresting, one-note, and often tied to another character. Their motivations are barely explored, if they have them at all, and when they do it's quite lackluster.

Vivienne knows how to write fleshed out female characters when they're not the main focus of the story. But for some odd reason she can't do so when they are the protagonists.

[lynnsenpai]

MIS ch.6, p.188 - Honesty

You can also find this page (and all the ones before it) on these sites: Comic Fury Tapas DeviantArt

I'm not sure what to add here, but I like this little interaction. XD

I hope you enjoy it too.

[lynnsenpai]

Happy Year of the Snake!

Lunar New Year is a little more than five hours away here, but I'm posting now so it doesn't clash with tomorrow's page too much.

To put it lightly, I think we're off to a rough start (in the US, at least). But hang in there, everyone!

[lynnsenpai]

MIS ch.6, p.186 - Bottle

You can also find this page (and all the ones before it) on these sites: Comic Fury Tapas DeviantArt

Oh, I guess they're not going to interact after all.

PLINK!

No, wait. Yes, they are. XD

[starlattethesqueakwal]

(TW: MENTIONS OF RAPE.) Do NOT watch this video. Its clickbait garbage that deserves to be reported for harassment.

I dont care if you dislike the fandom:

This video REFUSED to mention what was ACTUALLY WRONG!

-and instead stuck to cringe culture by:

-Laughing at people for simply enjoying the fandom or show, even the parts that are harmless.

-By laughing at someone who was crying because of RAPE! I dont care if it was fictional rape, that shit effects reality by effecting how victims are treated IN REAL LIFE! So the person crying just shows that they have human empathy, something the creator of this video genuinely seems to lack. Laughing at people for crying about rape is harassment. Enough said.

Cringe Culture is fucking sickening. Stop harassing people for enjoying the show for fucks sake! The fact that we as a civilization ignored Shay's death but made videos like this insted sickens me to no end. Fuck this fandom, honestly.

-The creator refusing to mention Shay's death or any of the ACTUAL problems with Vivziepop's fandom.

-Literally went "I CANT FIND ANYTHING BAD THAT VIVZIEPOP DID!" and fucking goes "THERES NO EVIDENCE EXCEPT FOR....." when the evidence is EVERYWHERE at this point and not just Tumblr but the creator STILL tries to hide shit like a coward.

The video only does ONE thing right by calling out the fandom for allowing kids to be in adult spaces, but thats it!

Its not worth watching, even as a hate watch, and you should avoid this video at all costs and read the document on what happened to Shay insteaad, as it truly shows what is wrong with this fandom.

Not enjoying the show....

But BULLYING PEOPLE!

That's whats wrong with it! Stop validating cringe culture, I am so sickened by the fact that videos like this refused to mention what happened to Shay.

So many are, and its sickening.

It really is sickening that only ONE video has mentioned Shay so far.

Otherwise, people have either been covering up shit (looking at you Ayy Lmao...) or bullying innocent people. Im so sick of this video and honestly hope that it gets reported for bullying. 👇🏾

REPORT IT! BOTH the videos who laughed at that poor person for crying about Angel Dust being raped.

Cringe Culture does NOT deserve to happen, rape in media being cried about is NOT a "joke." Being a fan of the show, at all, is not a "bad" thing.

CRINGE CULTURE IS DEAD! Period.

EDIT:

This!

[palisman273]

I've reported both videos and I hope they get taken down

[tamak0]

original tweet

I immediately thought of them

[palisman273]

These bitches biiiiiiii