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To anyone that's recently following or going to follow me, this is a pro-Palestine blog and that will never change. I didn't think I'd need to do this here, but an individual on helluva boss criticism tags reminded me that not all people are against genocide, so this is your only warning.
If you come into crit tags just to shit on people who are critical of a show or creator, you're kind of a loser. Sorry not sorry.
I feel like we're supposed to sympathize with Lucifer from Hazbin, but... why? Okay, he's depressed, okay, is it because he realizes his actions unleashed evil upon the world, corrupting humanity? No, considering he denies his guilt, saying it was his gift to humanity, and, in fact, it was humanity that perverted his gift. Depression over his wife's disappearance? Perhaps.
And I understand they're trying to show us that he was punished excessively and undeservedly. However... what is his punishment? Can't he harm sinners? But no one forbade him to introduce a system of laws, perhaps not cruel ones, but ones that would at least restrain sinners a little, and to appoint someone from Goetia to monitor this, he simply did not do this, leaving everything as it was. He's already created a brutal class system among the Hell-born, so...
They don't talk about God in Hazbin, otherwise one could take one of the interpretations of Hell, that Hell is a place without God, that is, without joy, goodness, happiness, and everything good, but we see that this is not the case. We also don't see the seraphim needing anything, like holy light, to live. So, Lucifer doesn't suffer because of this either.
Essentially, they gave him a huge territory, didn't take away his beloved, didn't take away his powers, allowed him to create living beings as he wanted, rule as he wanted, stopped controlling him, and generally didn't interfere in his life.
If Heaven completely controlled what Hell did, I would understand. If Lucifer's powers were completely taken away, leaving him a powerless puppet king among potential enemies, I would understand. If he were forcibly separated from Lilith, I'd understand.
But I don't understand. And given his constant transformation into some kind of endearing weak and fragile character, I confess, this character is starting to really irritate me. And that's not a good thing.
We’re supposed to sympathize with him because the narrative says so, Anon. That’s the truth. You’re right, literally nobody forced Lucifer to create a caste system. Nobody forced him to not make any laws, nobody forced him to doom the entire human race, nobody forced him to do anything except go to Hell. Within Hell, he has an incredible amount of freedom considering he’s only forbidden from harming one of several different species— not from imprisoning them, not from ordering others to harm them, not from making laws to contain them. He’s not even forbidden from ever leaving Hell (implied by the fact that he chooses to make Charlie talk to Adam), he just chooses not to.
Lucifer is only helpless and weak because he chooses to be. He could command the Sins. He could be a king. He could be a leader. He chooses not to, and the writers choose not to make him be those things. He is not even half as powerless as his character suggests— and yet the narrative insists over and over and over that he is. We must sympathize because he’s sad and depressed. We must sympathize for the king of Hell who can do quite literally whatever he wants save for harming sinners because he’s lonely. He wants his daughter to like him. Feel bad.
But I don’t.
The narrative insists on his powerlessness because if he wasn’t powerless then he’d have a lot to answer for; since he’s Vivziepop’s admitted favorite, why would she put any onus on him? Clearly, everyone else is more evil than Lucifer, who is simply misguided and sweet. Everything he’s done, everything he’s chosen to do and not do, he’s not responsible for.
That is horrible writing. The lore of the show directly contradicts what they’re trying to say about Lucifer. His most defining act, the most evil thing he ever did both in the show and in Biblical canon— the giving of the apple— still happened. So he’s still incredibly, deeply evil, because if it wasn’t for him then nothing bad would ever happen. But the damning of humanity was actually a gift, you see, it’s just that human beings are bad and evil and don’t use the gift right. Lucifer knows how they should use it because he’s morally upright and doesn’t like sin. Even though it makes him powerful. Even though it’s the basis of the fearsome reputation he brags about in the show. Even though it’s so incredibly important to the entire foundation of Hell.
It doesn’t make sense. The fact that it irritates you makes sense because the total lack of logic is inherently irritating.
This is niche but Charlie should not be giving anyone therapy in the hotel neither be considered the head counselor for the hotel.
She is not fit for the position nor likely knows the correct way to handle counseling/ therapy based on all her actions in the past season.
The most important reason is: You cannot be someone’s friend and therapist. It is one of the biggest unethical practices to do so because you cannot be unbiased and ensure you are helping them. Furthermore Charlie is biased towards her goal of them being redeemed which comes with specific criteria and desires for the sinner in question that the sinner may not want to meet ever. It could easily result in her unintentional pushing them that way which goes against self determination for the client. She has too much skin in the game of redemption for her to be a good therapist much less an ethical one
I could honestly write an essay on this cause it’s my literal flied, but I genuinely hate that they made her a therapist when she should be running this hotel and maybe have an actual counselor to do this. You just know that no one on the team actually has any clinical experience nor asked anyone in their lives who is in that field about this.
Let me know if anyone wants to see me expand on this in a larger post. I do not mind deep diving into therapy work and where HH goes wrong with it regarding Charlie.
Nobody fucking knows how anything in the Hellaverse works, including the creator and writers.
Specially the creator.
This is niche but Charlie should not be giving anyone therapy in the hotel neither be considered the head counselor for the hotel.
She is not fit for the position nor likely knows the correct way to handle counseling/ therapy based on all her actions in the past season.
The most important reason is: You cannot be someone’s friend and therapist. It is one of the biggest unethical practices to do so because you cannot be unbiased and ensure you are helping them. Furthermore Charlie is biased towards her goal of them being redeemed which comes with specific criteria and desires for the sinner in question that the sinner may not want to meet ever. It could easily result in her unintentional pushing them that way which goes against self determination for the client. She has too much skin in the game of redemption for her to be a good therapist much less an ethical one
I could honestly write an essay on this cause it’s my literal flied, but I genuinely hate that they made her a therapist when she should be running this hotel and maybe have an actual counselor to do this. You just know that no one on the team actually has any clinical experience nor asked anyone in their lives who is in that field about this.
No one say anything to me about how the only time we see Glitz and Glam again its in a fucking Chaz epsiode. I am not well.
Something I really hate when people try and dismiss critique that Lucifer is not as evil or openly grey in his moral standing as he should be by saying "Lucifer isn't the same as the Devil".
While that's true for the most part (depending on the sect you're talking about), the issue is the writers used the Devil's story in Lucifer's set up biblically speaking or a story from a poem that had Lucifer and the Devil as the same being.
The serpent responsible for offering/tempting Eve with the apple was never Lucifer in the biblical text. Most Abrahamic religions agree that the serpent was the Devil/Satan. Furthermore, there are countless allusions made through Lucifer's songs or how he acts that directly reference folklore made about THE DEVIL not Lucifer (The golden fiddle is a prime example). The one media that merges the two is the epic poem Paradise Lost which has Lucifer and Satan and the Devil being one entity and does place him in Eden.
Viv was obviously inspired by Paradise Lost's version of Lucifer (Fact check me but I am 90% sure she has even said this), but that again proves that Lucifer is more akin to the Devil than that stupid argument tries to dispute.
While the HH universe may hop around God and his involvement, Lucifer in this universe is the Devil not only because of Viv's connection to Paradise Lost but because Lucifer's content continues to call back to folklore that is specifically the Devil's not Lucifer's. It wasn't Lucifer who went down to Georgia, nor Lucifer who lost to Johnny's skill.
I understand not wanting him to be evil, but just admit that. Trying to separate him from the Devil when his very mythos is written in HH's Lucifer is ridiculous and clowny.
When talking about Heaven in the Hazbin/Helluva universe, I feel the writers cannot decide whether its this great place or secretly this militaristic evil.
With Sir Pentious in Heaven we get: oh so cute and fun. Everything seems so innocent and kind! Abel, Peter, and Emily are trying so hard to make him feel comfortable.
But then we keep getting reminded of stuff like this as well as Adam being very misogynistic in S1. (He isnt the only one but one of the few that the show actually presents as it being a negative trait)
I really wish Viv and the writers actually accounted for Alastor's racial identity and background when writing him post race change.
Like, Alastor was born and lived in the fucking Jim Crow era South. That is a massive thing for a character to cannonly have in his history. It feels like its so glossed over when that would be a corner stone to how he is as a person and how he interacts with other sinners.
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Or when… Lucifer accepts his own feelings
Written in second person (past tense)
Tw - Light cursing and allusions to a slightly emotionally abusive Lilith
Lucifer x OC and X reader writers, I feel like we are not angsting hard enough about the Lucifer wedding ring situation.
Like fuck, can you imagine being in love with a man and wanting the best for him so much that you never say anything about the ring?
It's a part of him, of his past, of his family. You can't just ask him to leave it...but how long can one really stand it? Being touched, loved, and held by the same hand that wears the biggest reminder of her past, a past that touches your skin every time he does.
Where do you draw the line or do you ever?
I know I am a broken record on this, but the redemption plot line existing with an active Heaven vs Hell plot clashes so hard with you think of one thing: Redeemed Sinners would be stuck living in a place where the people who harmed them/ created the exterminations are in power.
If the exterminations are as horrible as the show implies, why would any sinner be comfortable redeeming themselves when being in Heaven means being closer to the soldiers who slaughtered others just like you? Of course, we could accept that sinners largely don't care about one another but the sinners who get redeemed would seemingly not have those qualities as lacking empathy or care for others is not a Heaven approved quality.
It doesn't make sense.
/// Discussions of allonormativity, amatonormativity, aphobia, arophobia, asexual stereotypes, fatphobia, and sexual assualt
I haven't been in the community for a while. So pardon me if someone already made these critiques, but can we just point out how awful the asexual rep is in relation to sex?
Two of the three asexual characters are sex repulsed or sex ambivalent. This isn't a Vivziepop exlcusive issue, most media portrayals of asexuals still struggle in representing the diverse spectrum of asexuality.
I actually do like this keychain of Alastor because we're included, since most of the time, people exclude us from conversations or acts because they don't want to accommodate or understand a-spec nuances to sex and love. However, then there's the show. Alastor is constantly sexual harassed, primary by Vox, and was sexually assaulted by him. Which was treated as a joke.
Octavia is up next. It's been widely speculated that the reason why the crew made her asexual was to avoid sexualizing her when she still an underage character. There is a misconception that being sex abstinence or celibate is the same as being asexual when it's not. Asexuality is about experiencing a lack of or low sexual attraction, and while it can influence a person's ability and desire for sexual interactions, the two aren't mutually exclusion.
Outside of that, it's weird if that's true. It comes from a place of deep rooted allonormativity where asexuals are inherently seen as less desirable and not their own autonomous sexual beings because of their asexuality. Many allosexuals tend to feel a guilt or even disgust for liking asexuals sexually because of our differences. It why allopeople will be more likely to enjoy (aro)asexual coded characters who are serial killers or morally bad people because from the characters' lack of morals, it creates s disconnect from the audience. Their guilt becomes absolve. Although that in and of itself is a problem. It dehumanizes the (aro)asexual coded characters and re-enforces the stereotypes of the evil loveless/sexless and robotic aromantics and asexuals. It's still equates experiencing human sexual intimacy and allo attraction as the right forms of love, and anything deviating is wrong and inherently inhuman.
Also it shouldn't take making a character or finding out a person is asexual to stop sexualizing them. Asexuals aren't the exception to sexualizing people. You should be seeing everyone as human beings, not walking flesh bags. (And if that's a problem for you, you need to unpack a few things). If they really didn't feel comfortable with exploring Octavia's sexuality as a teenager, then I don't know why they couldn't have written her to be waiting for a better time to explore herself or being simply disinterested. There's are many allo teenagers who wait till adulthood because it's smarter and safer for them, just as there are many aspec teenagers exploring themselves sexually.
To my knowledge Helluva Boss never explores Octavia's relationship with sex. The closest we get is in Loo Loo Land where Stolas openly sext with Blizto with her in the room. I know many people were upset with this scene in discovering Octavia is asexual because it re-enforces the stereotype that people are asexual because of trauma or negative experiences, instead being asexual naturally. I think it's complicated because unfortunately many teenagers do find themselves in unwanted sexual scenarios, and with aro-spec and apsec folks, it's higher because of the lack of education on both identifies, respect, and boundaries in general. Also there are many asexuals, aromantics, and even queer people who's identities are shaped by their experiences. I just wished they wrote the scene with more consideration for Octavia's asexuality for these reasons. Though, they probably didn't make her asexual yet in the beginning of the show's run.
Octavia's Valentine merch is cute, although there's one thing that makes me a bit iffy towards it. It seems that the crew is still uncomfortable with exploring her sexuality, even as an adult. Again like with the Alastor's merch, I do like it because of the inclusion and ace portrayal of topics. I just wish as an aroace person I could fully enjoyed these merch pieces without the biases of the crew bleeding through.
Both shows have a big issue with purity, and in Hazbin Hotel it's more prominent with Charlie and Chaggie. The MLM ships and queer male characters can be depicted as devious and overly sexual while the WLW ship and sapphics aren't. It's really only implied for the WLW characters (Chaggie couldn't even get a proper sex scene, when the show portrayed several graphic rape scenes) and within that there is a correlation between purity and sex. Charlie and Vicky are positioned to be the purer and morally better characters out of the cast. Charlie is more native and modest about sex while morally grey characters like Cherri Bomb and Angel Dust aren't. I'm afraid with Octavia, it's the same.
Again the merch is really cute and I appreciate the ace portrayal of topics like love and sex. It's just that outside of the lack of diverse aspec rep within both shows and their merch, the crew's biases is an issue. I feel it's very apparent that they still treat adult Octavia as soft is relation to her asexuality. Again, that in and of itself is a problem. It infantilizes asexuality, re-enforce the stereotype of "the innocent/pure asexual", and removes asexuals' sexual autonomy.
Sally Mae had Valentine merch when she was only an one-off character for a few minutes at the time and she wasn't even depicted as promiscuous during her screen-time either. It would have been nice to see if Octavia as an adult was allowed to be silly regarding sex or just be casual about it. Hell, she could still keep the softness from her Valentine merch, by portraying the more emotional or sensual side to sex, that coincidentally is an appeal for many sex-indifferent and sex-favorable asexuals. There are asexuals who partake in sexual activities, whether for themselves or others. Some like the pleasure it brings, while others like the emotional intimacy and joy it brings to their partners.
And then there's Mammon....
The only sex-favorable asexual who is also one of the few fat characters. He's depicted as an unattracted, selfish, greedy slob who's attempts at flirting is treated a joke for this reason.
I'm going to be honest this is the most blatant the crew has been about their aphobia (and fatphobia too), outside of Alastor's sexual assault.
When his first Valentine merch came out, he was the only character fully clothed.
And even now, the most they'll reveal are his limbs while the other characters are nearly naked or revealing.
So in short: it's awful.
It's unfortunate because as a repulsed aroace I do like the asexual portrayal of the merch. However I can't fully enjoy or even support it because the shows themselves and people behind them are terribly aphobic.
They didn't hire any aspec people as writers or sensitivity readers for the few asexual characters. There's an obvious lack of consideration for the characters' asexualities, just by the stereotyping alone. And constantly their "abnormity" from being asexual are the butts of many jokes. Not to mentioned they made a joke out of a black aroace man being assaulted by a white allo man.
I feel there is finally enough space to have this conversation but:
Hazbin Hotel fails at the Genocide allegory it keeps trying to make and it inherently always will.
I want to take Alastor away from most HH fans not because I'm a fan of him but because this fanbase does not know how to treat ace characters and its evolving into real aphobia against ace HH fans and ace critics.
Yes, asexuality is a spectrum. No, this does not remove ace people's criticism of how the fanbase treats Alastor. It especially doesn't need to be used by non-aces to invalidate the concerns ace people have about how y'all ship Alastor and write him having sexual attraction when he doesn't.
I love a “woman focused show” where the supposed main character never actually saves the day and has men be the ones who always end up solving her problems/ fighting the main villains.
