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Friendly reminder that William T. Spears has never killed a human being.
You👏can👏be👏abusive👏and👏not👏kill👏anyone👏
But did he kill 1,000 humans like Eric or UT or chainsaw up a bunch of women like Grell did? I don’t really understand the idea of making a killer the victim in a scenario…but I understand that is common in this manga. I often see the “William is abusive” idea in this fandom, but I *never* see that written about Grell, a character who tortured and murdered the kind of women who society didn’t care about, who may or may not have manipulated Madame Red into killing, and who persistently emotionally manipulates a character who (seems) to be not interested in his advances.
But come retrieve your subordinate, who just chainsawed a woman in the heart and Will is the abusive one here…? William was just the first line in punishing Grell, and the punishment then went further on to the higher ups.
Relatively speaking, William’s about in the middle of the reaper ethics scale. He is no angel by far, but he has not murdered anyone. Dealt some harsh punishments to the guilty? Yes. He has. Do serial killers–especially one who reflects on you and how you do your job–deserve to be treated nicely?
Punishing a subordinate who broke one of the most serious rules (don’t kill people not on the list) doesn’t seem like abusive to me, just harsh justice meant to put someone back in line. Even Grell stated in the Campania arc that getting chewed out by Will wasn’t all that bad.
Now if Will really secretly is in love with Grell? Okay, that makes him a pretty awful person to keep knocking his subordinate around like that, and it would mean he also has a weird way of showing his “love.” He’s also a shitty liar, so I don’t get how he could even keep something like that secret. Yes, it would make him abusive, but only if Grell is something more than a subordinate.
Which is why that ship seems so unfair to Will and part of the reason it turns me off so much. He can’t win in that ship: he’s either an abusive partner or he is a liar who can’t be taken at his word (that “I’m not your man” thing means nothing, then.) He is one of the most straightforward and honest characters in this story, so that would mean he is OOC.
The point was that you don’t have to kill someone to be abusive. William isn’t just abusive to others, but also towards himself, which I think everyone forgets. Having a suicide attempt (Or in his case, an actual suicide) means you are intentionally harming one’s self for some sort of release.
Now, let’s go back to what you first said. Yes, Grell is abusive, but, as I said in my tag, they all are. Both Grell and William are emotionally abusive. Grell used Madam Red for her own aesthetic. Now, she didn’t manipulate Angelina into killing. She had already done that when they had met, and it was already on her list to kill off the prostitutes. What Grell did was ensure a safety that she wouldn’t get caught. Once Angelina was, however, she had up and left, killing her.
I agree: what William did to Grell was a punishment. What isn’t, however, is how je constantly downgrades the other shinigami in the manga, anime, musicals, and movie. He constantly tells them they’re the equivalent to morons, how they cause such a strain to him, how they’re useless. Never-not once-in any of those forms of entertainment (as stated above) does he ever acknowledge them to be hard workers, which they were. I think the only time he did that was 1. The Story Of Will The Reaper and 2. When tearing down another shinigami.
Let people headconnon him as abusive. Let them headcanon him as not. it doesn’t matter if it’s in a relationship or not, that is still emotional abuse. The whole reason he even complimented Grell in The Story Of Will The Reaper was because Grell had *grabbed his glasses for him to see*. He probably wouldn’t have if she hasn’t had done that.
*sigh*
It’s so tricky to even ship in this fandom without someone getting bent out of shape. When you think on it, every character has some flaw that would deem them incapable of being with the other and branded ‘problematic’ or unhealthy.
In this case, we’re talking William, who we hardly get to comment on since his appearance is so scarce. Save for the Circus Arc, but even then he’s quickly shoved to the side in the plot. His presence at that circus was merely to serve as a clue to Sebastian and Ciel that something really was going on with children going missing everywhere this troupe went.
For canon, we see Will at end of Jack the Ripper, Noah’s ark circus, end of Campania, and the end Green Witch arcs. The worst we see him act is on JtR, in which this dude stands and stomps on Grell’s head, drags him by the hair, yada yada. What Will did isn’t as severe as the shit Sebastian dealt upon our lovely redhead. But see…that wouldn’t count for what we’re talking about. That was a FIGHT with a possibility of the loser getting seriously injured or dying. Same would go for what William did to Sebastian at the circus. He was on defense. The abuse people are tagging William with is the kind that exists between relationships both platonic and/or romantic.
As for William actually being an abusive character: Unpopular opinion: I really don’t think he is. Look up Boke and tsukkomi in Manzai (a form of Japanese comedy). And you’ll find that William fits into being a Tsukkomi. Totally. And everyone else is his Boke. Except instead of a paper fan, it’s his rod of a death scythe… And this type of comedy carries on in just about ALL forms of Japanese media. I see more real depictions of abuse in the yaoi and bl’s that I read than in this franchise alone. So yeah, if you tag William as abusive, you’re going to have to tag every anime/manga character you see giving hits over the head as ‘abusive’. And slaps, stabs, and whacks with his trusty rod I can see him do to ANYONE. Human as well. We can’t forget the time he tried to snip at Ciel’s heels for stepping over his property line. One could say he’s just as ruthless with his scythe as Grell and Ronald are.
My point is, he’s not doing these actions to gauge someone of their sanity (and the actions he does towards Grell and other reapers don’t traumatize them as such either), which is what serious abuse does. This is where people tack on far too much reality to a completely fictional shonen manga with a high charge of fantasy(let’s not forget, William is classified as a supernatural/mythical character). What I see here are people getting FAR too off track about Will’s character and painting him to be something he really isn’t JUST because he whacks over his supporting character’s heads. (Again..look up Manzai) It might just take a good knowledge of Japanese media in general to see it.
Stern, firm boss, that gets after his subordinates for mistakes? Yes… Do I think he would actually physically and/or emotionally abuse his colleagues or romantic partners enough to cause severe trauma/PTSD (like people constantly accuse him of)? No. Unless he’s being defensive, I can’t see him the equivalent to a suspect in domestic violence/murder. I can’t see him wanting to hurt someone just for the sake of hurting or torturing them until they don’t have a mind of their own anymore. No I don’t think he’s that much of a sociopath.
Aaaaand getting back to the OP: You’re right. William has never killed anyone…that wasn’t on his to-die list. I find the reason why he’s so stern and bossy is because he wants to leave his punishment. He follows all the rules and makes sure others do because he wants to ascend and repay for the crime of taking his own life. And simply hates people, reapers, and demons getting in his way and holding him back from his goal. He’s just a man desperate to end his own punishment of being a reaper.
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Well said! That’s what irks me about how Will is depicted by the fandom: that he hurts others for the sake of hurting others. He’s self-absorbed to an extent, and anyone who complicates his life in any way–by adding more work, preventing him from doing an investigation, or trying to distract him–is going to get the scythe.
Yes, I agree about the comedy aspect, too. If Will’s interactions with others, especially Grell, are overthought, the dynamic falls apart. Grell and Will (and Will and everyone else) is supposed to be ligjthearted and humorous but I think that is something lost in translation. Once it is viewed as serious and deep, then, yes, I see how it gets labelled “abusive” by fans. I will still never ship it, because I think it is OOC for Will, who is much more focused on his own problems and priorities, as well as his faithful dedication to upholding the tenets of the shinigami.
I do think perhaps he hasn’t figured out the right way to go about his redemption, yet keeps making the same mistakes, but that’s a topic for another day. XD
Thanks to both of you for a spirited and intelligent discussion. :)
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