allegedly short for problematic-bopass

proshippers-against-censorship

Fandom Problem #5915:

Antis left reviews on my problematic ao3 fic, called me horrible shit.

I did not tag the fandom or any character.

I tagged the ship (a problematic one)

I tagged alll the problematic shit that applies.

So unless you are looking through the problematic ship's tag or the tag for the problematic content, you can not find it.

So how the hell are you here?

#🐜#harassment

proshipconfessions

unpopular opinion (in ref to that ONE confession) but i think proshippers talking/complaining/venting about antis is good.

the thing about being proship is that we're anti-harassment. talking bad about antis and venting about what they say to us comes with the territory of being proship, for better or worse.

i also don't like how people are saying "it should be kept private!" when we're literally talking about that stuff on /our blogs/. it's using the same logic antis use when talking about coping mechanisms.

i do agree it should be tagged, but as a community, we need to settle on one singular tag for that stuff first so people CAN filter it out if they want.

also most of us have side/main blogs where we talk about other things. a lot of us have blogs JUST to vent about antis. it's not our main focus.

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#harassment

yes I know part of proship culture is calling out the harm that antis are doing and whatnot but my god at this point I should just scroll through the anti tags instead because guess what guys screenshotting someone saying that I’m a worthless piece of scum and calling that person a moron idiot doesn’t really make me feel much better because at the end of the day that person still thinks I’m a worthless piece of scum and I only know that because YOU told me

I swear I’m gonna make a side that’s solely for spreading proship positivity and joy like we need it so bad. We need more like @/proshipblackoutpoetry and @/proship-culture-is please I’m begging you guys. Our entire ordeal is not caring and having fun and the proship tags just aren’t very fun sometimes for some reason

I get the point you're trying to make, but this is an extremely funny ask to send to an account that's based almost solely on the controversy. With that being said, since the proship stance was spawned of ship wars, and while it would be nice to have a chill place, it's not that surprising that the tags are mostly full of posts talking about the drama. And frankly, I wouldn't be shocked if anti tags are extremely similar.

That unfortunately tends to be the case with drama-centric stances.

elfwreck

The vast majority of proship blogs are not tagging their stuff #proship. They are tagging by fandom name and pairing. They are posting at AO3 and posting links on Tumblr and saying "here is my new rarepair kink fic."

Or they are posting "I read some cool stories this week" and posting links to those.

Or they're posting "I got a new sweater that reminds me of Han's jacket. Or "My local thrift store had a Man from Uncle zine from the 90s." Or "My literature teacher just called Dante's Inferno 'bible fanfic' and four people in class twitched. Gonna hit them up for their AO3 names later."

The tag "proship" came about because anti-shippers yelled about the ships they believed nobody should be writing. Proship as a label is tied to the controversy.

Outside of that... most people believe that fiction doesn't create reality and that people can read and write whatever they want. We don't have a label for that. We have a label for people who want some kinds of writing and reading forbidden, and that label is "censor."

necroticfoxstorm

Proship is a term used in protest against the anti movement. It's not a Fandom or a trope tag. It's not supposed to be browsed for content because "proship" isn't the type of content it's a stance by creators against the people trying to censor art.

This is why "proshipping" is an incorrect term. That would be like saying someone is "pro-choicing" when they are looking into birth control options.

#🌈

saw someone say "an 11-year-old isn't even supposed to know what sex is and if you do something horrible must be happening to you and you need to get out of there" like can we be for real for a moment. have some people honest to god never heard 11-year-olds making sex jokes in their life

goshihateusernamessofcknmuch

and let's be honest. if something bad was happening, good sex ed would help them recognize that. trying to shelter children from even knowing what sex is doesn't help or even work, it actually enables abuse. teach them about consent

Hot take: let's not discuss sexual stuff around CHILDREN.

Let's not sexualize children or even think of children & sexual stuff

Don't discuss sexual stuff with CHILDREN.

They cannot consent.

Children cannot consent and I dont know how many times we have to tell you this.

CHILDREN. CANNOT. CONSENT.

people like you are the reason so many kids can't speak up about being sexually abused. go back to the catholic church or whatever. we need proper sex education and this is dire

#freaks (pos)#kink shaming

oh they're literally catholic. that explains a lot.

#purity culture

strawberry-crocodile

love going on callout posts for "thinks cnc is okay" and seeing people talk about how us freaks need the electric chair. fantasizing about violence is okay as long as its not sexual, funny that

strawberry-crocodile

idk about you but i'm more scared of someone who opently talks about executing people because of the way they have consensual sex than i am of the guy who asks his girlfriend to say "no, dont~"

osterby

The thing about CNC (and other scenario or story based kink) is that pretty much everyone has already been doing the nonsexual version of it since they were tiny kids.

You point a stick at your friend and say "I'm an evil alien with a bazooka! bang!" and your friend flops onto the grass and goes "on no! I'm dead!" and then you both go in the house and eat sandwiches for lunch and you enjoyed your game and no one was harmed or traumatised and no gun violence actually happened.

Everyone understands that that's just normal make believe play that's healthy and normal for children to engage in.

Adults can play make believe, too. And adults can do grownup things, like involve their reproductive organs, with their make believe play. And adults are better actors than children and might need to set up a safe word to tell the difference between a genuine "I'm not having fun anymore" and a play pretend "oh no! I'm dead!" But it's still playing make believe.

https://www.tumblr.com/damnfandomproblems/763627132924608512/5390-ill-never-forget-the-time-someone-called-me

This. Sheesh.

Ironically, the same people screaming "it's ableist, phobic, etc" are often the same people who say things like "mouth breather" (also ableist) and "they must live in their parent's basement" (have you seen housing costs?!). But they're too stupid to see the irony of it all. Ableism is only okay when they do it.

Posting as a response to a previous ask.

#ableism

stop making up retarded ass words for your rape incest pedophilia abuse whatever the fuck fetishes, “proship” is not a real think you’re just a fucking freak

"Proship isn't a real thing because I don't want it to be!" might be the funniest thing you could have said tbh

It's still a thing even if you don't want it to be. Language is a funny thing, when you make something a thing then it's a thing! Can't undo that, sorry

Aaaaaanyways, I don't recall ever claiming I wasn't a freak. I am one! And proud of it -w-

buni-gutz

anon uses ableism to justify themselves, opinion discarded

gorepill-deactivated20250122

Literally tho

Antis try to make a point without being ableist challenge (impossible)

"proship is not a real think"

I wasn't gonna say it LMAO

#tw antis #receipts

https://www.tumblr.com/damnfandomproblems/763806026386505728/fandom-problem-5995-the-way-the-antis-influence?source=share

The more they protest, especially when they preemptively toss out a message about not touching their post with "icky" ships or tags or whatever...

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

For real, all they're doing is making me think they're deflecting so hard because they're into that stuff too and rather than either being quiet about it or embracing it, they're insecure and need to get the imaginary hear off themselves.

Posting as a response to a previous problem.

#🐜

5987 response:

"The ones that start with “I’m not on either side but” are always obviously antis lol."

I noticed that too. Without going too much into armchair psychology, my theory is it's because antis (whether they call themselves that or not) are typically the ones who have a burning need to profess their superiority and enlightenment over other groups. And "I'm better than all this stuff"? That's even more appealing because the act of opting out entirely means something, the whole situation, is below them and will never affect them.

Meanwhile, I see people leaving social media and ceasing their fics in droves because of anti bull. A lot of those people too figured if they just kept their heads down, no harm would come to them, but it just took one curious anti or one comment in the wrong person's post to set off a chain reaction of harassment. So this "I'm not on either side" thing? Antis are going to put them on a side, the wrong side, as soon as they see something they dislike. And people who aren't antis? Proshippers? A lot of whom also don't even label themselves that because they don't want the association with the "I ship 150 toxic ships uwu :3" community? They'll just avoid them outright because of the red flags.

Posting as a response to a previous problem.

#🐜

fertilize-my-eggs

" I wonder why everyone is so negative... Why is no one posting fanart, fanfic and talking about headcanon or being active in fandom anymore ???? "

Well maybe people need to stop being toxic and gatekeep everything online then we wouldn't have problems but here we are where antis whine loudly about anything, will dox and send threats towards you and your family over fictional content. ( Now I'll say I've both sides can be toxic but antis has been the worst whenever I see them on the Internet, it's very interesting and disturbing seeing them so comfortable saying it towards people online. )

Not to mention where people will witch hunt you down for just writing and drawing problematic content.

I generally don't understand people online who constantly say they're " normal people " but have the nerve to type a full paragraph of them want to hurt a stranger online over fictional content.

Geez I wonder why.

#fandom

proship-culture-is

proship culture is... people in the last post literally proving my point. free blocks for me, i guess. "don't interact with me" is quite literally a boundary. it is the textbook definition of a boundary: "the limits and rules we set for ourselves within relationships."

"that's not a boundary, that's a demand." that's... literally how boundaries work??? "don't touch me." is both a demand and boundary. a demand is a rule. a demand is a limit. "don't misgender me." is both a demand and boundary. BOUNDARIES ARE LITERALLY DEMANDS???

and yes, they should be respected, and you are an asshole if you don't respect someone's boundaries, especially if they are up front and accessible! it's understandable if you can't find someone's boundaries, it happens. but if they block you or (surprise, surprise) confront you for breaking their boundaries, that's also understandable!

-💜🦋

i think it might have mainly been the way you worded it?? idk i just dont really understand this whole dni discourse 😭

Christ, anon is so damn pressed about this. Can't even talk to me to my face, they just send an anon saying they'll block me (lol) and goes running back here to throw a conniption fit (called it)

Anyways, fine, let me rephrase: Being unable to enforce your "boundary" makes you bad at setting boundaries

If you are just saying "don't do this" to random strangers then you are setting a terrible boundary. Even in the case of "don't misgender me" it becomes leagues better when you say "if you refuse to gender me correctly then I will not talk to you anymore." You have to actually promise to take an action if you want to set a good boundary

(And no, a DNI does not promise anything, especially when people consistently break their own DNI/refuse to check if people THEY interact with is on their DNI)

Regardless, I love how you went off on the semantics of whether it is an actual boundary or not and NOT the fact that you are demanding a mass of strangers on a social media platform to take their own time to cater to you because you can't be bothered to do it yourself. Which, y'know, still makes you a self entitled asshole

Again, just block people. You don't need to be so damn annoying about blocking, it's not a big deal

#dni

proship-culture-is

proship culture is... not really liking the anti-DNI culture growing within the proship community. what do you mean you don't like boundaries? i have boundaries AND a dni listed on my blog.

it's one thing to not have boundaries yourself, or to not care enough to set them, but some people do and we should respect it. i've blocked several blogs appearing on my "for you" tab for saying they ignore DNIs. that's not?? okay??

if people use DNIs as a way of showing they're "morally acceptable" or a way of indicating their stances, why does it matter? If the DNI is just "DNI racists, homophobes, bigots, etc." that's not??? a problem??? if you're upset by someone saying DNI bigots I'm gonna assume you're a bigot in some way.

sure bigots will likely just ignore and harass, just like antis do no matter how many times some of us say to not interact. sometimes people are naive or have hope that a few will block or scroll past. maybe it just brings comfort and a sense of security, even if it's false security.

even if i get upset about finding antis and people with proship dni in their bio/post, i respect that because that's the normal, decent thing to do. i just block and move on. this kind of thing shouldn't even be a debate.

sorry for the long rant, i was very upsetti.

-💜🦋

It's because DNIs are not only performative as hell but are also just not boundaries

You should have to be able to enforce it for it to be a boundary. Saying "don't interact with me" is not a boundary, it's a demand, and it's an entitled demand at that. A DNI is inherently asking others to curate your online experience for you, even if you don't want to see it that way

Others not respecting your demand of "look for my DNI to see if you're on it before interacting with me" is not an asshole move on their part. It should not be on someone else to have to look for your DNI to make sure you are comfortable with them before interacting. It's tedious and gets fucking tiring real quick

Just block people you don't like. You don't have to make a list like "I don't like you so I'm gonna block you (or worse, throw a conniption fit) if I see you >:("

#dni

763023217556389888

This gave me war flashbacks to the time I, being under 13 at the time, made an account on a certain website and pretended to be in my 20s just so I could add custom descriptions to my user pages and participate on the message boards. Because I put my birthdate as something from the 80s, the site automatically let me do all those things. Imagine my surprise when I logged on one day to find my account's birthday had been corrected to the year of my actual birthday... Because I had slipped up and put "I'm 12 years old!" on my user profile, and either a staff member saw it, or someone had reported it.

And y'know what? I didn't bitch and moan over it because I knew exactly what I had done, and I knew it was against TOS. The whole COPPA thing and whatnot.

So I have zero sympathy for kids who attempt to skirt these rules and then whine about it, like somehow they're in the right. I went around a rule to get into spaces I shouldn't have been in, and someone caught me, and the only person to blame for that was me.

Posting as a response to a previous ask.

#ageism

Just a general response to minors responding to 5796 who think all adults should be thrown out of fandom: what is this, Logan's Run? Sure, "Get rid of all the adults so they can't tell us what to do anymore!" might seem like a sweet deal now... but it won't seem so sweet to you when there's nobody left who knows how to build those fandom spaces you wanted so badly to have all to yourselves, or even to maintain the spaces you already have. It definitely won't seem so sweet when you yourself become an adult, and realize that actually, you're not ready to be "got rid of" just yet, but too bad, because then the next generation of snot-nosed brats will be right behind you and demanding you follow your own rules that you came up with.

Like, I'm sorry that some of you (thinking specifically of 762309249944698880 here) were gentle parented into believing that it's a horrible abusive injustice to deny you anything you think you want (even if it's because that thing you're demanding access to is something that might harm you or you're not mature enough to handle or you're too young to give informed consent to), but that when you circumvent the rules that were put in place specifically for your protection and see something icky, the fact that you suffered the consequences of your own actions is also a horrible abusive injustice that's somehow the fault of the people who tried to keep you from doing the dangerous thing in the first place... but it's not our fault that your parents failed you, and it's not our job to coddle you when you start fights and then cry when the other person finishes them.

Posting as a response to a previous problem. Here is the linked ask.

#ageism