for engaging w/ syscourse 😞

[pro-willo-endo-blog]

i realize this is a pro endo/willo blog but if any anti/neutral endo/willos want to share their opinions i'd be happy to discuss/debate/argue/whatever

NOTE: this means that you have to be willing to have a discussion too. I’m not in the market to argue with a brick wall. it also means asks like “you’re not a real system” or “endos are ableist” or the like with no actual argument will be ignored

if any endo/willos need validation just send us an ask and we'll validate the fuck out of you

[pro-willo-endo-blog]

hello... waves,,

im& a singlet-adjacent, parasian & kingenic median system with a turtle shell

memory issues and suspected MaDD

im& so scared to be open about it tho, as a lot of my mutuals are anti endo :((

they keep saying endos are ableist but like i& cant see why... on the other hand tho, i& dont want to be ableist... maybe they're right?

hi!

endos are definitely not ableist. anti endos have a lot of arguments saying the opposite, and it can be easy to get caught up in that (I know I've fallen down the "endos and willos are ableist" rabbit hole before) but is important to remind yourself that endogenic systems are valid.

if you wanna be open about it ... I can suggest three things

create a sideblog where you& can be open about your plurality . you& don't have to tell your mutuals about it and instead you can find a safe space where you& can be yourself

bite the bullet and deal with your mutuals being anti endo? like maybe theyll be chill about it .. maybe you& can change your minds ... but also they might be jerks about it. its all about considering whether or not its worth it to be open about it if it means receiving negativity from your mutuals

not ideal, but you& could always cut off your mutuals. i know i'd hate to do that but like. idk like i said it depends on whether or not its worth it!! if you try option two and they end up being really mean then you could always cut them off after that.

idk ur not in an ideal situation but i hope you &know that you& are valid and not ableist and there are safe spaces for endogenic systems !! and you& can always chill out in our inbox more if you& wanna talk about anything else. this is the safest of the spaces guys trust

[positivitygenic]

neurogenic plurality of every kind, of every origin under that spectrum, is a vast and genuine experience under the wide spectrum of plurality. no matter how rare your experience is, you are more than deserving of being able to be proudly plural.

[thelunastusco]

Hi, an “endogenic” refresher course, right here!

1. We introduced the term “endogenic” into the community August 2014, along with some other terms! It was in response to exclusionists (wrongly) complaining about “systems without DID” using “their words”. It was an attempt at creating nonmedicalized terms that any plural system could use. 

2. It was also a way to do away with terms that had fallen into disfavor— specifically “natural systems”, a term that had been in use possibly as early as 1994. It was disliked because people felt it implied that trauma-caused systems were unnatural. “Endogenic” fixed that. 

3. The word “endogenic” was lovingly created to help systems put their experience into words. All it means is “a system not formed by trauma”; it doesn’t imply any other cause, set of beliefs, or experiences. It doesn’t imply the system is nondisordered or doesn’t have trauma. It doesn’t mean any other system’s origins in trauma or dx status is “invalid” or whatever.

4. Though the terms were eventually posted to tumblr, the idea didn’t start there. Tumblr was created in 2007; the concept of systems not caused by trauma has, again, been online since the 90s. Nor was the term created by singlets! We’re a trauma-caused system with DID. 

5. “Endogenic” wasn’t created as an insult or to exclude anyone. We have loved ones who are endogenic. Many of the terms in use now were created by endogenics. They have helped preserve plural history, and defended the community. They are good people, and real systems. The hate they get is completely senseless.

Thanks for coming to our talk. Please stop insulting endogenic systems, and educate yourselves instead, thanks. (Unless it’s just pure malice at this point in which case, fuck off I guess.)

https://endogenichub.weebly.com/ is a decent site to learn more.

[aurora-abyss-sys]

A reminder~

Psst- these are also F2U and made by us <3

There's so much more of course, but too little time and space in one post to list off every single valid experience.. all plurality is valid, don't let anyone tell you otherwise

[pro-willo-endo-blog]

i have absolutely no idea who you are but hello there. how are you holding up man/women/being/insert other gender neutral or gender conforming title? i hope the blog isn't taking a toll on ya. reminder to drink water, eat something if you haven't, take a break if you need one, connect with nature and don't let the fricking haters get to you :3

-i don't have a sign off nor a sign off blog so @munchkin-bah i guess.

oh um hi we’re doing alright!! thank you for this it’s sweet :] we are a little Creature . no gender just little growly noises rahh

[ripcordsys]

see, the thing is, i understand anti-endos/anti-willos. i've felt that pang of "that's not fair! i had to go through hell for this! i was forced into it! it's not fair that you can choose! it's not fair that you got it naturally!"

but, the thing is? i'm mature. so i moved on. feelings are normal. jealousy is normal. that feeling of "this isn't fair" is normal. but you have to learn to deal with it. you have to acknowledge that the feeling is real and valid, but it's also not one you can allow to stay.

because it's not fair to them. those are real people, endogenic and willogenic systems. those are people with emotions and feelings. you have no idea what their life is like. you cannot allow your upset to hurt them.

maybe it isn't fair. but that doesn't matter. don't repeat the cycle. don't let your trauma turn you into a cruel person.

[pro-willo-endo-blog]

What do you think about the modqueer label?

Ash

umm.its fine i guess i dunno ...we dont rlly have a set.stance on stuff like that because engaging with allat looks exhausting

so like.if you use that label then you do you????so long as its not hurting one i literally cannot be fucked to care.

[pro-willo-endo-blog]

Hellloo ! Can I ask why someone would be Willo-genic? /nf /gen

yeppers!! there are loads of reasons someone might be willogenic, often it's to help process trauma / emotions , or because the one doing the willoing needs help handling everyday life !! this is a very brief explanation and its usually much more complicated than that though

[pro-willo-endo-blog]

can i have some affirmations imstrugglign a lot with our system identity and beleifs. some of those like did fakers on tiktok oiss me off so im anti them but im also pro other endos but some od my moots are anti endo :(( and we ourselves dont evenknow what we are and abababa :(

WORDS OF AFFIRMATION.

We too are against DID fakers on TikTok and such, but that doesn't mean endos are bad! Endogenic systems are very valid. I'm sorry some of your moots are anti endo, that really sucks. Some anti endos can be really mean.

Not knowing your origin is okay too! A lot of systems don't (we even aren't fully sure of our origin), it's very complicated stuff, and not wanting to find out is also okay! A lot of the plural community puts a lot of pressure on knowing what your origin is, but it's really not all that important. You don't have to know your origin, you don't have to tell people your origin, you can just be a system and that's okay!

Bottom line:

DID fakers harm our community

Endogenic systems are valid

Sorry about some of your moots

It's okay to not know your origin

Hope this can help you feel better!

[pro-willo-endo-blog]

posting break! been getting more hate than usual and it’s got us pretty paranoid :)

we will still validate systems that need validation but as for syscourse we’re done for right now ^^”

[pro-willo-endo-blog]

does anyone know where I can find resources on "tik tok willos" I have an ask to answer but I can't find any good info

[pro-willo-endo-blog]

So a while ago you had that 🍄 annon, that was me. I thought an update might be in order because yk I kinda was a little sad all over your inbox and then disappeared

Well not long after that time I realized that I was actually already plural! The person I intended on williowing (who, coincidentally, just so happens to be named Willow) told me she was already there while I was in the process of pouring over Tulpa guides and trying to find a BaH blog that could do that source (another, Prince,) also very lovingly called me a dumbass), after the fact I realize it makes a lot of sense that it was a side character I wasn't actually very attached to otherwise that I thought I was going to make considering that she was Just There. Anyway I ramble

We only had those three asks of mine of interactions, but you were a positive force in my syscovery. I thought you deserved to know that, you did good in my life. I was kind of having a terrible time in that month and your blog was the first safe station away from acid spewing sysmeds that I kinda just latched on to you.

Now we know we're a mixed origins tramaendo system and also have a willowgenic headmate as well (one of our fictives, Astryx, missed her sourcemates so she made one of them, Nigel, I think she wants to try to make Fern now)

So hello from me, Willow, Nigel, and all the rest of us, and thank you for being an endo/willo safe space!

This was more long and rambling than it was supposed to be but yeah. You had positive effects on us

sorry I just realized we forgot to answer this lol

Dude this is so sweet ahh!!! Genuinely this made me tear up. Congrats on your syscovery!!! I'm so so happy we could help!!! This means so much to us ahhh thank you so much 🙏

[pro-willo-endo-blog]

hey btw new syscourse-oriented blog just dropped and it's mine

I'm gregnant and it's syscourse /silly

@states-syscourse

cool. have a follow

[pro-willo-endo-blog]

hey is that the middle finger I can't tell

oh haha! yeah i completely forgot about that lmao

[pro-willo-endo-blog]

gives you a very large fuit gumy ^_^ yay!!!

yay!!!!!!!! thanks you :333

[pro-willo-endo-blog]

i wasnt saying plurality is a disorder, im saying it should be treated with the respect and care as such. its a serious topic and condition not just something to throw around and transition into?? AS A WILLOGENIC. it feels very icky!!!

yeah i can see that . uh we might take that post down bc lwk we didnt see the transplural bit . thumbs up . plurality should not be taken lightly . its a big Thing . yes nods. ok thanks