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whites started sending me death and rape threats for careing about trans guys. im back now tho.
This is a side account, I cannot follow or like posts :(
"if you accuse a trans woman of anything I will simply not believe you. by accusing a trans woman of literally anything you will get her harassed by transphobes and that is your fault. and also even if she did the thing by talking about it you're not doing anything about it so it's useless and I hate you."
"what if she's racist? I am a black trans woman and many white trans women are racist."
"you see oversensitive darkie this is exactly why I posted this. she probably has a very human and normal and understandable reason to actively be racist, which is normal for racist people. you can't help if she's racist. unless you are willing to personally put in the work to deprogram her racism why would you want to talk about her being racist? who gave you the authority to do that? what's that? this is actively harmful to you and other people she is being racist to? too bad. by talking about it to warn people or anything kiwifarms will kill her."
hey i have unfortunately become mired in trans discourse lately and i was trying to find what privileges people seem to think trans men have and found this
and well, they did not include sources for their claims, so i was wondering if you had come across anything to support or refute these stats since I believe you are a bit better read than i am in these areas. And also if you had thoughts on this „male privilege in comparison to xyz demographic“ especially as it relates to trans men (when the intersectionality here is entirely gender/sex related) because it doesnt sit right with me but i cant tell if thats bc i am resistant to the idea or if its bc it actually doesnt make total sense.
The thing is, studies that discuss wages, housing, hate crimes, etc have the same pitfalls that intimate partner violence and sexual assault studies do. Which I talked about here.
Trans people are underrepresented, trans people are misgendered in studies that includes them, trans people are often lumped in as one category in studies not about being trans, there is never clear distinction between stages of transition (ie trans man who goes by he/him and doesn't pass vs a trans man who passes well and is stealth) so what Trans Man are we comparing to what Trans Woman? Trans men are often extremely underrepresented in studies even about trans people ("4 out of 5 trans men had a great time versus only 25 of 40 trans women", and now in studies where we see more trans men than women, the bias is pointed out--which is good, but when it's only one side the biased results still win out). Sometimes a study comes out marginally higher for one side and then another study comes out marginally higher for the other, and then regardless of marginal difference one way or the other trans people as a whole are WILDLY disadvantaged compared to cis peers.
"Only 30% of trans men have to worry about this while 35% of trans women do" and then the stats for cis people are like 2% and 5% for cis people respectively.
The last thing I will say before getting into actual findings is that these people never use the word "intersectional" correctly, which is always a big red flag for me. First, marginalized identities are not multipliers for being "most oppressed" or to say, the inherent oppressed vs the inherent oppressor. Second, "who is the oppressed and who is the oppressor" is still contextual, and failing to grapple with that is how you get weaponized victimhood.
You can have a queer disabled neurodivergent woman and if she is racist to a Black cis man, she is still the "oppressor" in the situation. Power is situational, and so is oppression. For the thousandth fucking time, trans men are marginalized because of their gender. If they were not men, they would not be facing transphobia in this way. This is an experience that is not comparable to "poor men" "gay men" as classes--those classes (devoid of other intersections) assume cisness, which these men are not.
Now, all of this is using primarily US studies cause that's the perspective these debates come from, right? Occasionally the UK, or Canada and sometimes sparingly somewhere else in Europe but with no mention of even how non-English language affects transness let alone cultural and ethnic factors, and never with non-western, non-northern hemisphere perspectives included. Countries where people viewed as women are not viewed as people at all have some wildly different experiences when it comes to both gendered violence and transition opportunity. If your goal is to be a troll only, you can say "well women in x country are property so trans men cannot ever transition and trans women can retain male privilege" and that would be just as unhelpful and lacking in understanding anything about the situational nature of transness.
This cyclical argument is never about making things better, it is about being justified in one's isolationism and misery.
A widely held up study about the specific plight of trans women claimed that the average life expectancy of trans women was 35. This has filled people with fear for YEARS. I can't tell you how many birthdays I've seen where you celebrate having beaten the statistic. But it's not true. 30-35 was the high end age of Brazilian trans women who were murdered at the time. This is not a universal statistic. It is very specific and situational, and not just "trans women" but Brazilian trans women of color, most of whom were in sex work. Their race is a factor, their class is a factor, the lack of protections for sex workers is a factor. Brazilian politics is a factor. Many were elated to find out that they actually weren't doomed to die by 35. Others were upset to lose this stat as a talking point.
this post sums up why they feel so bad about male socialisation being pointed out. it's like when you tell white people they benefit from and perpetuate racism and they can't handle it normally, they can't think "hm maybe this should inform how I see the world and treat others", they curl up into a ball and start talking about how it's not their fault they couldn't escape their meemaw's gollywog collection and their dad calling their friend a nigger that one time and how everyone thinks they'll be racist forever and how they should just apologise for being racist forever, because that's what we want. what they are uncomfortable with is the idea of even temporarily having been treated in a manner that made them more privileged at the time.
Calling it male socialization is the issue here, especially in response to trans women saying its hurtful and why shes hurt by it. It is explicitly pointing to them and reminding them that they were born a boy and can never change that. To the point that it almost sounds like saying that you can tell they were born a boy. Thats cruel to do to a trans person. Even if its "unintentional".
Its also assuming how they were raised and weather or not their parents could tell they were queer or trans at a young age. Something you cant tell unless they admit to it, and usually people only talk about it if their parents were mean and awful about their transness.
I think its important for the conversation abt gender expectations to be upheld, but specifically pointing to a random trans woman on the site upset that shes being called male socialized, and using that as justification to be mad at "them" (assuming you are talking about every trans woman on the site, and not this specific user) is unhelpful. The language is incredibly flawed for the point youre trying to make. Of course a trans woman is going to be uncomfortable being called "male", even if theres another word attached to it- especially if it doesnt denote transition.
Imo I dont think i ever met any trans women that perpetuated anything expected of young boys, at least in friend groups im in, nor do i ever see it online. I dont feel like theres much of a reason to point to a minority to say "Some of these are people perpetuated the patriarchy by being born boys" is especially reductive when the previous argument on tumblr gender arguments was weather or not trans men perpetuate the patriarchy by having "male privilege".
"Racialised" is much better than PoC but I've been leaning a lot on the concept of racial markedness. Because that allows us to make statements like "the name Jamal is racially marked in USA". Rather than saying something like "Jamal is a PoC name", a nonsense statement, saying it's racially marked in USA allows us to contrast with societies like Albania or the Arab countries where the name Jamal is ordinary, thus unmarked.
It's a concept I've kind of imported from linguistic analysis; saying a speech pattern is more or less marked does not really allow us to avoid the subject of who's doing the marking. A statement like "womens' speech is more marked in Lakota" necessitates that we understand that it's the Lakota who are marking womens' speech. A foreigner can't tell the difference and probably doesn't understand why it would thus be weird to see a man using speech patterns associated with women, in the same way an Albanian wouldn't understand why USA people would think Jamal is a Black name.
You! You get it. In my view, if someone is saying "racialised" or "racially marked" without acknowledgement of context, they are doing it in a way that is gramatically incorrect.
lmao if these dolts just listened to the trans guys in the transfeminism coal mines they wouldn't be having this betrayal scandal right now. But the average self-proclaimed transfeminist on tumblr is a selfish and classist-minded type of person, who only speaks of transfeminism as the carrot they can dangle over the heads of trans people in the global south, which is to appropriate their existences to drive the western victim mentality. Like oh my goodness, the people who've been denying the lived experiences of trans men in Asia to keep hold on their imperial ""theory"" of transness will ALSO throw disabled trans women in the mines? Oh my god! Say that's not so!
the thing about prioritizing the safety of abusers within a community is that you are also directly contributing to the community being unsafe and inhospitable to people vunerable to abuse/people who have been abused. the "if you allow sheep and wolves into your space you will only get wolves" deal and all that
one of my biggest gripes with the trans community and the discussion of transandrophobia is that its really fucking hard to explain to, without offending/triggering, someone who cant get pregnant, who has never had the ability to get pregnant, and would REALLY LIKE the ability to get pregnant, how pregnancy can be used as an act of violence, ESPECIALLY against trans men, and that its not the same as being forced to impregnate someone, both dysphoria wise or otherwise. like they have wildly different implications. a trans man who is forcibly impregnated is forced to stop testosterone for the duration of the pregnancy, and are often barred from legal abortion more frequently than cis women. his body is changed permanently from the pregnancy, the pregnancy can out him as trans if he is stealth, pregnant people are often times physically dependent on other people after a certain point of the pregnancy which leaves them vunerable to being trapped with an abuser, and a trans man who is dysphoric about pregnancy is going to have to live with that for the duration of the pregnancy, while watching the pregnancy that he did not want permanently change his body. on top of that, it is SO HARD to rebuild a life/career after pregnancy FOR ANYONE, AND ESPECIALLY trans men. theres a reason that forced marriage/pregnancy is such a common and effective detransition tactic against trans men, both in non-western countries but everywhere else too. theres a reason we worry about it so much. these implications simply do not exist for someone who is forced to impregnate someone. its obviously sexual assault and is horrible and it is permanently life ruining but not to the extent that actually being the pregnant party is, and pretending like theyre the same or even comparable is like. its not even transandrophobia its just ridiculous
while I don't deny that trans people and queer people in general are often alienated due to their non-conformation to normative gender presentation and attraction enforced under patriarchy. some of you are not being "isolated and divided". some of you are annoying and nobody wants to talk to you as a result.
i knew trans radical feminism was bullshit years ago when there was a push from trfs that poc and especially transmascs/trans men of color talking about the racism that they have experienced from white trans women is transmisogynistic. radical feminism was/is rooted in racism and the racist idea that white women are the most oppressed group of people idk what to tell u
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I have been informed that that does not mean what I thought it did
living one day as someone like my best friend, a brown trans guy from the Philippines, would probably kill 80% of the wannabe scholars on this idiot site.
My personal belief is that one cannot say they are against the patriarchy while believing that so-called "identifiers of maleness" (which could be anything from being perceived as a man, identifying as a man or masculine, having a testosterone-dominant endocrine, or having physical traits associated with masculinity) are identifiers of bigotry, violence, and evilness. To believe that "maleness = evil", you must believe in the patriarchy and all that it entails; you must believe in the white supremacist foundation it was built on. And If You Do That, it makes you unsafe to be around for trans people, and especially for tpoc.