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We`re getting married this weekend!!!! OMG SO EXCITED!!!
Did you know that Richard III didn`t make his wife Anne a present for his coronation? We know what her present to him was, but he didn`t make her one. To other people though, just not her. So much for their epic romance, right?
I mean this is interesting but I donât remotely care about whether Richard III did or didnât love Anne Neville.
For the anonymous asker: Richard`s household accounts do not survive. Not one of them. We have some expenses of his, but that`s it, sadly. So we don´t know what Anne is called in them, and that Richard called her endearments in it is a complete invention.
Curious question, anon, did you read the link I posted within that answer?Â
When I wrote, âhousehold accounts,â I was referrring to the surviving expense accounts, which contain expenses of the household. It seems to me that you are splitting hairs when saying household accounts do not survive.Â
Also, do you have have documentation, from a reputable source, including citations saying that the âmost beloved consortâ is a complete invention.Â
Hi! Sorry to butt in. But question  âŚhow can you prove with quoted sources that something DOESNâT exist? Do you mean someone who speculated on it or do you mean citing all sources whch don`t say it? Bc that would that be nearly impossible? YOu can cite a document saying it haha but not one not saying it. It´s called something something negative, Jim told me about it haha, his sister is a lawyer but I forget. Anyway, I the link says that Richard ordered clothes for Anne, his beloved consort and then went on to say aforesaid consort. Seems pretty official to me! Not a household account though, but like an order to a merchant I think, like a bill for a restaurant rather than my bank account haha. Anyway, I could use that same logic to say I have no proof love letters didnât exist between Elizabeth and Richard.
Iâd almost forgotten that Iâd saved this in my drafts to respond, ooops. Sorry itâs taken me close to two weeks.Â
My point is this, if it is true, as the anon alleges, that Richard referring to Anne as his âmost beloved consortâ is a fabrication, then there should be documented evidence in a book or journal article saying that itâs a fabrication.Â
I do have another anon from this person, which I will hopefully be able to answer later today.Â
Thank you! Haha I saw that other anonymous now, they were claiming that it was a complete invention and he never said that. Bc I was wondering earlier when you answered bc you can`t expect documented evidence of non-existence haha. But that`s pretty silly lmao you`ve shown them that the most dearly beloved consort exists. Why do they want to dispute that, I guess some people are weird.
For the anonymous asker: Richard`s household accounts do not survive. Not one of them. We have some expenses of his, but that`s it, sadly. So we don´t know what Anne is called in them, and that Richard called her endearments in it is a complete invention.
Curious question, anon, did you read the link I posted within that answer?Â
When I wrote, âhousehold accounts,â I was referrring to the surviving expense accounts, which contain expenses of the household. It seems to me that you are splitting hairs when saying household accounts do not survive.Â
Also, do you have have documentation, from a reputable source, including citations saying that the âmost beloved consortâ is a complete invention.Â
Hi! Sorry to butt in. But question  âŚhow can you prove with quoted sources that something DOESNâT exist? Do you mean someone who speculated on it or do you mean citing all sources whch don`t say it? Bc that would that be nearly impossible? YOu can cite a document saying it haha but not one not saying it. It´s called something something negative, Jim told me about it haha, his sister is a lawyer but I forget. Anyway, I the link says that Richard ordered clothes for Anne, his beloved consort and then went on to say aforesaid consort. Seems pretty official to me! Not a household account though, but like an order to a merchant I think, like a bill for a restaurant rather than my bank account haha. Anyway, I could use that same logic to say I have no proof love letters didnât exist between Elizabeth and Richard.
Ugh. I`m sorry everyone who is still following me, I think I´ll stop posting here again for a while. I`m enjoying debatte on twitter but here it´s pretty annoying.
I`ve been following some historians on twitter including the guy who wrote the Survival of the Princes book I posted about recently, and there re some really cool debattes. But what I noticed is that how there actual probelms people had are often discussed. Like poor Margaret Beaufort being raped and impregnated age 12, and the suggestion of other children being abused. Like did you all know Edward II`s daughter was pregnant age 14 as well? And there were sometimes younger children, and it`s really sick.
And here on tumblr all that is glossed over to speak of the supposed evil of Richard wanting to marry Elizabeth to some duke or the supposed evil of the Kingmaker to marry Anne Neville to Edward of Westminster. Esp the latter is always treated as the worst evil ever. Somehow Anne should`ve been the exception to arranged marriages, and the âsufferingâ she goes through in novels is taken as fact and talked about as worse than what for example Margaret Beaufort actually went thrugh.
I don`t really want to see that anymore, I`m taking another break. You all have fun though.
Hello everyone! A late happy new year!
I know I haven`t posted here forever but it`s been a crazy couple months! So much work and the wedding preparations. Still can`t believe I`ll be a bride in July haha! :) :)
And prob I won`t post regularly now but I have been looking at the posts here sometimes when I had some minutes to spare and will keep doin that. And Jim gave me a really good book for Christmas called âThe Survival of the Princes in the Towerâ. He also gave me gorgeous earrings haha. The book is really cool and I don`t think anymore Richard killed the princes now! And its even friendly to Henry Tudor haha! I hope the two boys really survived as the authors thinks. What was also interesting is that he mentions tht Richard sent a delegation to the pope in December 1484, but there`s no explanation why he did so, and he says there`re some possibilities, like reversing his nephew`s illegitimacy, which is really unlikely haha, and intending to separate from his wife while still keeping the legitimacy of his son. I had such a laugh at that hahah after the nasty messages I got this summer insulting me for not saying Richard worshipped his wife Jim thought I was quite crazy laughing at a book like that. But its the most likely, according to Sarah Gristwood he contacted Portugal in January to inform himself of new marriage possibilities, so after he was sure he could divorce Anne Neville. I wonder if she was supposed to go to a convent! It also explains the rumours about Elizabeth haha if he was already having preparations made people would think something was fishy there even if it wasn`t! I feel sorry for Anne but maybe she was happy to leave Richard and convent wasn`t horrible for highborn women. Wouldn`t be my kind of thing tho hahaha.
Hi! I love your blog, thanks for keeping it! :) I wanted to ask you, do you know anything more about Thomas`s brother, Sir William, or can link me to any websites or articles which have information about him? He`s as fascinating as his brother!
{{ Thatâs very kind of you to say - thank you!
Youâre right; William is absolutely fascinating. In some ways heâs more interesting than his brother, partly because younger sons werenât expected to act in the interests of their whole family in quite the same way and had more options open to them in terms of career/loyalty etc. And boy oh boy does that show through in Sir Williamâs case, even though William was a lot wealthier and more independent than most younger brothers/sons tended to be.
That said, itâs difficult to say much about Williamâs career because so much of it has been overshadowed by his brotherâs.  From 1495 onwards, most of Williamâs defining career moves are ascribed to Thomas instead, hence the conflation between the two brothers in accounts of their involvement at Bosworth. To some extent, the Stanley family themselves can be blamed for this, since some of the earliest ballads about Bosworth and the events leading up to it come from their affinity, and several of Thomas Moreâs probable sources were well-established in the Stanley-Beaufort circle (including Christopher Urswick, who even gets a cameo in Shakespeareâs Richard III). The events surrounding Williamâs treason and execution were clearly very shady; the Stanleys were keen to disassociate themselves from it, and the commentators at Henry VIIâs court werenât given many details either (probably because of the flimsiness of the charges), so in terms of narrative sources, we havenât got an awful lot to go on, despite all the hubbub his execution caused.
But to paint in very broad brushstrokes, Williamâs tendency throughout the WotR was to fight on the Yorkist side. He was attainted as a traitor after fighting alongside Salisbury & co. at Blore Heath, but was granted substantial rewards when Edward IV finally took power. He lost out during the Readeption, and was one of the first to welcome Edward back in 1471. The only time he seemed to take the Lancastrian side was at Bosworth, although itâs been argued that he was fighting for EoY rather than Henry Tudor in this battle, hence his quandary when he heard rumours that Richard of York was still alive and his fatal decision to communicate with Perkin Warbeck. Thatâs not to say we should paint William as a die-hard Yorkist - he had vested interests in Cheshire and North Wales that R3 and his allies threatened to upset, and as steward of the Prince of Walesâ household, heâs another person who really lost out when R3 took the throne in 1483. He might not have shared Lord Stanleyâs political tactics, but they werenât too dissimilar in their overall aims. (Itâs interesting that Thomas petitions - albeit unsuccessfully - for William to be pardoned by the Lancastrians in 1459 but seems to make no such attempt when Williamâs accused of conspiring with Warbeck. Fighting for another side is fine, but threatening the security of the Stanley family and the peace of the realm is not.)
 The go-to article on William (once youâve read the ODNB entry) is Michael Jonesâ âSir William Stanley of Holtâ (1988), which is particularly good at tracing Williamâs regional concerns in north Wales and Cheshire as a distinct affinity from his brotherâs, while also charting their overlapping interests.  Another article Iâd try is Michael Bennettâs âGood Lords and Kingmakersâ (1991). It discusses the Stanleys of Lathom from the late 14th century to the early 16th, so itâs good for putting Sir Williamâs career in the context of his family allegiances.
If youâre not like me (obsessed with landholding/regional power/local defence etc.) and would rather learn more about his treason in 1495, I think thereâs a chapter on it in Ian Arthursonâs Perkin Warbeck Conspiracy, which I really must revisit one day.
Anyway, I hope this helps, and thank you for your questions! }}
Hello everyone. I haven`t posted for months bc I was really busy, I`m working a lot and Jim and me are planning our wedding! I`ve done some research on the wars of the roses during that time tho haha and it`s really interesting. Also read some novels, like The Sunne in Splendour bc people on here seem to love it but I couldn`t stand it at all. I contemplated writing a review on here but I didn`t want to insult anyone who liked it.
But I`ve also found a couple of sites on the internet which have sources, which I love tho I don`t understand a lot of them esp when they are in Latin haha. I did understand one tho haha bc a blog I found translated that bit. It`s of a religious order Richard III was a part of in York, which was called the Corpus Christi Guild. He joined in 1477, and the guild wrote down he did so together with his wife, but they called her Elizabeth not Anne haha. Elizabeth Woodville def threw a large shadow, even in the part of the country I keep reading everyone loved Anne! Elizabeth may not have been loved but she def was on people`s mind!
OMG I wasnât on yesterday during the Bosworth anniversary but today I saw posts which made Richard`s death solely about Anne Neville and talked endlessly about her and how important she was and only mentioned Richard, who actually died and who it was about, in passing. Some people in this fandom have an obsession with Anne Neville and an insistence that literally everything needs to be about worshipping her that is unnormal. Anyway, didnât one of Richardâs men who had a large army betray him? How could he have foreseen this? He took an opportunity to kill Tudor to save his crown and his men and was betrayed and somehow this equals a âsuicide mission?â SMH! That is almost as insulting to the memory of Richard as is Tudor Propaganda. Anyway, I have yet to see any evidence that convinces me of Anneâs upmost importance in Richardâs life and all of his decisions and his undying adoration for her LOL
Anyway, RIP Richard. You died bravely demonstrating what it was to be a king back then. To the other guy- congratulations on your victory others won for you.
Why don't you like henry vii and elizabeth of york's marriage?
Well, among other stuff there is the fact that he (and margaret beaufort) did everything in his power to keep her as hidden and as away of power as they could. He delayed her coronation. He kept her with little money for her station. Girl was a ceremonial figure at best and a cat would have had more political power than her. The marriage kinda reminds me of Henry and Jane (Seymour). He seemed to only miss her once she was gone.
I donât know where people see that legendary love. If that marriage was cordial was probably due to Elizabethâs peaceful nature. What I donât understand is why people love them so much.
I agree! I donât understand the appeal of this pairing! He seemed quite determined to control her and keep her completely dependent on him! He had his political reasons to do so, yes, but it certainly doesnât make for a great romance as people on here seem to think! He seemed to be completely fine with his mother having the powers that should have belonged to the queen consort and more than one person remarked that Elizabeth was unhappy with this, yet this is usually just brushed aside as âer, just bias!â Except the ambassadors had no political reason to say Elizabeth was unhappy! Or to ask  the powerful Queen Isabel of Castile to write to Elizabeth to âshow her a little love.â  In fact, it was in their interests to make everything look great in England and push the alliance. The Spanish ambassadors seemed to genuinely really like and admire Elizabeth of York and to feel sorry for her. Another citizen a different time complained that he was trying to talk with Elizabeth and Margaret cut in.
Oh and I think it was mean how long her coronation was delayed and it could have happened way earlier than it did, regardless of the rebellions. People were crowned during pregnancies and during times of political unrest in the past.
I also agree that if Henry and Elizabeth did get along despite all the insults to her, it was because she was a kind person. She also seemed to get along with her uncle Richard III, despite what he did against her family.Â
To me, Henry and Elizabeth consoling each other when their heir died doesnât demonstrate it grew into a true love as some claim like Okerlund (Iâve seen her quoted on this website claiming that). If they didnât hate each other and got along reasonably well, itâs natural theyâd seek comfort in the other. And I do agree that he seemed to care about her more after she was gone than when she was alive. Maybe he felt bad for how he treated her. He should have.
As for mourning: Isabella and Ferdinand mourned their son together as well, and I have not seen anyone suggesting this is a proof of romantic love. Closeness, certainly.
I donât think it is proof of romantic love? I am only newly engaged but I would think in a long marriage when you have children together, it would be natural to at least grow a certain affection which comes with years and shared experiences, good and bad.Â
Well, I suspect most couples that hate each otherâs guts would not console one another after their childâs death (certainly there are such cases though) but I think overall it does not speak of great romance or love, but rather of mutual affection.
Yes, I really think all it says is that they didnât hate each other and that there was a reasonable amount of affection there. I donât understand where the whole love of the ages came from, esp when this evidence is outweighed ( at least IMO) by evidence that the marriage was not all sunshine and rainbows.
Was Elizabeth and Edward's marriage happy even though he cheated on her regularly?
I have said it before and I will say it again, I wouldnât read too much into the cheating at that point in history. It was expected for a king to have mistresses and itâs impossible to know all the possible affairs a king could have had. So yeah, even the ones that didnât have known mitresses could have had cheated as well.
Having said that, yeah, it was a sucessful marriage and there is no evidence of serious fall outs between them despite all of the harships they went through. He seemed to respect her in every sense as a queen too and she had political power.
From what I have read (and it isnât a lot!) on them, he seemed to trust and respect her (named her executrix of his will in 1475 for example) and they continued having children well past when it was necessary. So I think the marriage was and remained a very good one and there is no record of her voicing any discontent with his affairs anyway.
I do think his womanizing is exaggerated though? It seems to be a lot of vague mentions of his liking the ladies a lot rather than actual concrete evidence lol
#Anonymous#Anon#ask#IMO edward had more respect for elizabeth than henryvii had for eoy
I agree with this! I think Edward viewed Elizabeth as a partner as well as his queen and bearer of the children whereas Henry viewed his wife Elizabeth as a figurehead who was merely there to give legitimacy to the dynasty (he never would admit that though!) and to produce heirs.
It says more to me about the marriage that Edward viewed trusted and respected his wife, than the fact he wasnât faithful. Even if Henry had no recorded mistresses, I still donât think he was a great husband.Â
Why don't you like henry vii and elizabeth of york's marriage?
Well, among other stuff there is the fact that he (and margaret beaufort) did everything in his power to keep her as hidden and as away of power as they could. He delayed her coronation. He kept her with little money for her station. Girl was a ceremonial figure at best and a cat would have had more political power than her. The marriage kinda reminds me of Henry and Jane (Seymour). He seemed to only miss her once she was gone.
I donât know where people see that legendary love. If that marriage was cordial was probably due to Elizabethâs peaceful nature. What I donât understand is why people love them so much.
I agree! I donât understand the appeal of this pairing! He seemed quite determined to control her and keep her completely dependent on him! He had his political reasons to do so, yes, but it certainly doesnât make for a great romance as people on here seem to think! He seemed to be completely fine with his mother having the powers that should have belonged to the queen consort and more than one person remarked that Elizabeth was unhappy with this, yet this is usually just brushed aside as âer, just bias!â Except the ambassadors had no political reason to say Elizabeth was unhappy! Or to ask  the powerful Queen Isabel of Castile to write to Elizabeth to âshow her a little love.â  In fact, it was in their interests to make everything look great in England and push the alliance. The Spanish ambassadors seemed to genuinely really like and admire Elizabeth of York and to feel sorry for her. Another citizen a different time complained that he was trying to talk with Elizabeth and Margaret cut in.
Oh and I think it was mean how long her coronation was delayed and it could have happened way earlier than it did, regardless of the rebellions. People were crowned during pregnancies and during times of political unrest in the past.
I also agree that if Henry and Elizabeth did get along despite all the insults to her, it was because she was a kind person. She also seemed to get along with her uncle Richard III, despite what he did against her family.Â
To me, Henry and Elizabeth consoling each other when their heir died doesnât demonstrate it grew into a true love as some claim like Okerlund (Iâve seen her quoted on this website claiming that). If they didnât hate each other and got along reasonably well, itâs natural theyâd seek comfort in the other. And I do agree that he seemed to care about her more after she was gone than when she was alive. Maybe he felt bad for how he treated her. He should have.
As for mourning: Isabella and Ferdinand mourned their son together as well, and I have not seen anyone suggesting this is a proof of romantic love. Closeness, certainly.
I donât think it is proof of romantic love? I am only newly engaged but I would think in a long marriage when you have children together, it would be natural to at least grow a certain affection which comes with years and shared experiences, good and bad.Â
Why don't you like henry vii and elizabeth of york's marriage?
Well, among other stuff there is the fact that he (and margaret beaufort) did everything in his power to keep her as hidden and as away of power as they could. He delayed her coronation. He kept her with little money for her station. Girl was a ceremonial figure at best and a cat would have had more political power than her. The marriage kinda reminds me of Henry and Jane (Seymour). He seemed to only miss her once she was gone.
I donât know where people see that legendary love. If that marriage was cordial was probably due to Elizabethâs peaceful nature. What I donât understand is why people love them so much.
I agree! I donât understand the appeal of this pairing! He seemed quite determined to control her and keep her completely dependent on him! He had his political reasons to do so, yes, but it certainly doesnât make for a great romance as people on here seem to think! He seemed to be completely fine with his mother having the powers that should have belonged to the queen consort and more than one person remarked that Elizabeth was unhappy with this, yet this is usually just brushed aside as âer, just bias!â Except the ambassadors had no political reason to say Elizabeth was unhappy! Or to ask  the powerful Queen Isabel of Castile to write to Elizabeth to âshow her a little love.â  In fact, it was in their interests to make everything look great in England and push the alliance. The Spanish ambassadors seemed to genuinely really like and admire Elizabeth of York and to feel sorry for her. Another citizen a different time complained that he was trying to talk with Elizabeth and Margaret cut in.
Oh and I think it was mean how long her coronation was delayed and it could have happened way earlier than it did, regardless of the rebellions. People were crowned during pregnancies and during times of political unrest in the past.
I also agree that if Henry and Elizabeth did get along despite all the insults to her, it was because she was a kind person. She also seemed to get along with her uncle Richard III, despite what he did against her family.Â
To me, Henry and Elizabeth consoling each other when their heir died doesnât demonstrate it grew into a true love as some claim like Okerlund (Iâve seen her quoted on this website claiming that). If they didnât hate each other and got along reasonably well, itâs natural theyâd seek comfort in the other. And I do agree that he seemed to care about her more after she was gone than when she was alive. Maybe he felt bad for how he treated her. He should have.
@eddyofwestminster
NO! Donât listen to PG okay! People *cough* Authors need to stop treating poor Edward in such a disgusting way! I totally agree with you! He and Anne may have been shy around each other. There is no evidence either way. Both of their parents and I think King Louis too, forbade them to consummate the marriage until Warwick had successfully claimed England. Edward had more important matters like being disinherited and reclaiming the Kingdom for his Father to worry about. Â Â
I don`t think Philippa did it badly! At least in The Kingmaker`s Daughter, it`s quite realistic, he is just a bit turned off thinking she was Warwick`s daughter, and who can blame him lmao, given what Warwick did to his family. But it`s not like marriages of people from enemy familes didn`t happen. Hard to imagine! I think Anne and Edward may have been okay with it, they both had a lot to gain through the marriage!
On tumblr I notice many people who hate Philippa and her books state as fact that poor Anne who never did anything wrong in her entire life ever was abused by Edward, who was less boy and more monster. It´s kinda annoying lmao, like have you heard of shades of grey, people? But it`s been repeated as fact so often I started to wonder if I missed something. Gristwood says too that their parents prob forbade consummation but King Louis prob would have wanted consummation so neither of the parties could later back out of the treaty. There´s no way of saying but you`re prob right that Edward had more important things on his mind than his marriage! I think there is another book that heavily ships Richard and Anne which is responsible for everyone (but you and me, it seems! are there any other Edward of Lancaster defenders here? Please tell me!) on tumblr saying Edward spent all his time being evil to Anne, who, as Jim would say, just wants to cure people of cancer by smiling at them. I forgot its name though haha, though there are a lot of quotes of it, I think it was one by Sandra Worth, who also wrote a pretty bad book about poor Elizabeth!
Why is everyone on tumblr so convinced Edward of Lancaster abused Anne Neville? According to Sarah Gristwood there`s nothing known about their marriage. Edward was only 17 when he died! I don`t think it okay to make such accusations with no evidence at all to back it up. Given how young Edward is and that nothing is known about him it feels twice as mean to me to simply claim so. Not even a significant age different between them or a power balance tipped heavily in his favour or hers! We know nothing, for all we know Anne abused him! Or they fell in love.
Is there any evidence? Bc I feel really uncomfortable with all these statements which are based on nothing, or at best never explained.
Sorry I've been MIA! I been taking extra hours at work to help pay for my wedding next year (recently got engaged !) and my fiancĂŠe's mother was visiting our new apartment for a couple weeks.
It was already being whispered that if anything were to happen to Anne, then a marriage between Richard and Elizabeth would square the circle of inheritance nicely. To be sure, she was his niece, but was there anything a papal dispensation could not legitimize? Anne and Richardâs marriage had also needed a papal dispensation, which, modern research suggests, might not have arrived when they went through their wedding ceremony. That might provide grounds for an annulment, and Richard may have already been considering this as an option. Rumors were rife that âthe king was bent, either on the anticipated death of the queen taking place, or else, by means of a divorce, for which he supposed he had quite sufficient grounds, on contracting a marriage with the said Elizabeth.â Vergil described it as a plan âthe most wicked to be spoken of, and the foulest to be committed that ever was heard of.â At that Epiphany party, no one surely spoke openly of the possibility of such a relation between Richard and his niece. But the rumors were there already, and the reasons for the union would have been clear. Such a marriage would be a severe blow to Henry Tudor. And Richard might have had other incentives, as Anne must miserably have realized. Elizabeth was a buxom eighteen-year-old. Later in her life, the Portuguese ambassador noticed her âlarge breastsâ; a Venetian one called her âvery handsome.â This quiet competition from her friend and niece seems to have pushed Anne Neville over the brink. Soon after the Christmas festivities, Crowland wrote, âthe queen fell extremely sick, and her illness was supposed to have increased still more and more, because the king entirely shunned her bed, declaring that it was by the advice of his physicians that he did so. Why enlarge?â the chronicler asks, maddeningly. But perhaps he trusted readers to understand thatâwhile Anneâs illness may simply have been infectiousâRichard may have had other reasons for leaving her alone. The feelings of Elizabeth herselfâapart, that is, from the normal eighteen-year-oldâs pleasure in a partyâare even harder to discern. But a few weeks aheadâperhaps in mid-Februaryâthere would come an extraordinary clue. It was recorded by Buck, who in 1619, in his History of King Richard the Third, set down a prĂŠcis of a letter in which, he said, Elizabeth of York expressed her own passionate longing to marry her uncle. Elizabeth, said Buck, was toward the end of February writing to John Howard, Duke of Norfolk, an influential magnate and once her fatherâs friend: First she thanked him for his many courtesies and friendly offices, and then she prayed him as before to be a mediator for her in the cause of the marriage to the king, who, as she writes, was her only joy and maker in this world, and that she was his in heart and in thoughts, in body, and in all. And then she intimated that the better half of February was past, and that she feared the queen would never die. And all these be her own words, written with her own hand, and this is the sum of her letter, whereof I have seen the autograph or original draft under her own hand. Well! If real, Elizabeth of Yorkâs letter would not only be surprising but also damning in several different ways, including the callousness of the fear that Anne would never die and the possible sexual implications of the assurance that âshe was his . . . in body, and in all.â There have long been doubts, however, over Buckâs rendition of the letter. Some suggest that Buck could simply (especially when blinded by his prejudices) have misinterpreted a letter that he did indeed see or that it was not written by Elizabethâor not written at this juncture and in relation to this match. Indeed, as shall be seen, there was another, far less controversial, marriage proposed for Elizabeth very soon after this time, and the words could be made to fit. At the most extreme, it has even been suggested that Buck invented the letter in its entirety. But it does not seem wholly impossible that Elizabeth of York should have wanted to marry Richard. The question of consanguinity could be left to a higher, papal, authority; there was enough uncertainty in the air for her to have been able to convince herself that he was not responsible for her brothersâ deaths. Power is an aphrodisiac, and this was the destiny for which she had been rearedânot to mention a chance to come back from the wilderness. Possible further evidence that Elizabeth of York had an affection for Richard can be found in the inscription she wrote on a copy of Boethiusâs Consolations of Philosophy, most likely at this time: âLoyalte mellyeâ (Loyalty binds me). It was Richardâs favorite motto. She also wrote, on a copy of the French prose Tristan, âsans re[ mo] vyrâ (without changing) above her signature, âelyzabeth.â* She wrote on the page with the mark that showed it was Richardâs propertyâbut is that enough to show the unchanging loyalty she was expressing was loyalty to Richard? Not really. And of course Polydore Vergil, the Tudor historian, sees it differently. In his telling, Elizabeth of York is an unhappy pawnâa martyr, evenâin Richardâs twisted game. âRichard had kept [Elizabeth] unharmed with a view to marriage,â Vergil writes. âTo such a marriage the girl had a singular aversion. Weighed down for this reason by her great grief she would repeatedly exclaim, saying, âI will not thus be married, but, unhappy creature that I am, will rather suffer all the torments which St. Catherine is said to have endured for the love of Christ than be united with a man who is the enemy of my family.ââ But Vergil would say that. He was writing a quarter of a century later, when Richard had become the antagonist in the creation story of the Tudor dynasty. And âthe enemy of my familyâ might have applied to Henryâa representative of the Lancastrian family that had so long opposed the house of Yorkâas easily as to Richard; Richard also kept Elizabethâs sisters âunharmed,â even those who were nearing maturity. What is more, if Richard wished to keep Elizabeth of York away from Henry Tudor, all he had to do was marry her to somebody elseânot necessarily to himself. Whatever the truth about Richardâs plans, there were certainly rumors of the possible marriage, if not necessarily of Elizabethâs complicity. Henry across the Channel heard them and feared loss of Yorkist support if the two York factions could thus be reunited. Vergil wrote that the stories âpinched Henry by the very stomach,â so much so that he began to seek an alternative matchâa daughter of William Herbert, Earl of Pembroke, the loyally Yorkist supporter of Edward IV who had cared for Henry when he was a child. But the message he sent suggesting the match, says Vergil, never reached its destination, and soon he must have heard that a marriage between Richard and his niece was no longer a possibilityâunless, that is, the rumors of the marriageârumors so discreditable to Richardâwere being spread by Henry Tudorâs own party, which is another possibility impossible to discount.
"Blood Sisters" Sarah Gristwood This book is so interesting.