not a tinhat anymore

just keeping this for archives

[youchoseeachother]

samdean challenge | Bunker or motel rooms?

[rip-j2]

Can I ask you, what was your old account name?

I'm so shocked what happened, but I totally get your decision...I was years ago, around 2012 a tinhat, but it changed over the times.

But with what went down last week, I can understand every fan that decides to be no longer a certain fan.

In my wildest dreams I wouldn't have imagined such a happening....and I still can't get my head around why Jensen did it.

But I already said, that back in 2018 something happened that changed things. And that not everything is all right showed also Halloween 2019, when Jared got arrested.

But the fandom likes to close their eyes and ignore things.

Just like they do now. J2 died this week, but they don't wanna see it.

J2-is-my-heroin was my old name. Anyways yeah this relationship died. Every update I get proves it.

I am hurting. But this hurts Jared way more. I hope he is okay.

[ilovejared]

This is where I am with the J2 mess.

I think Jensen was wrong not to tell his best friend/co-lead/boy/brother/person that will always be in my life about the prequel. SPN belongs to Jared and Jensen.

And it's not because I want Jared in the prequel or he would even want to be. It's called common courtesy. Anything SPN related should be decided on by both Js.

Obviously, Eric Kripke thinks the same. His post proves the fact that he believed Jared knew because why wouldn't he?

Jared was not wrong in responding the way he did. He wasn't being an ass. He was understandably hurt. He found out about it on SM so why shouldn't he respond the same way?

Subsequently, after seeing more information coming out yesterday, I believe Daneel had a lot to do with this. I always thought she was a nice person and Jared's friend, but apparently not.

WHY IN THE NAME OF CHUCK IS SHE IN CHARGE OF AN SPN PREQUEL??

The prequel is a stupid idea which I thought the moment I saw the announcement. Teen John and Mary?? If you wanted to do a teen version of SPN, do teen Sam and Dean learning to hunt and growing up with each other, forging that unbreakable bond.

The tweets from Jensen's account yesterday were clearly not him. He generally does not sound like a 14-year-old girl.

I am pissed as fuck at Jensen right now.

I do not think that he faked his relationship with Jared the last 16 years. He's not THAT good of an actor. And there was too much personal time spent together.

I do not think Jared is perfect. But he admits when he's wrong. In this instance, he is not in the wrong.

Jared wears his heart on his sleeve and he loves Jensen. A lot.

We will probably never get the whole story because Jared is handling all of the damage control.

I just want Jared to be okay and I think he would have a major issue if he didn't have Jensen in his life.

I have my own theories about the whys and wherefores of what happened.

I love Jared and only want the best for him.

He deserves the world.

[alignallofthelights]

I agree with most of this, except the Danneel stuff, I think we as a fandom have to stop making her the scapegoat in Jensen’s decisions. It’s clear he put her in a position within the company to make decisions, so even if indirectly he supports her actions as his own. I’m not ‘canceling’ Jensen, but I definitely won’t look at him the same again.

At best this was mismanagement/incompetence, at worst this was a power play to remove Jared from a show he put ~17 years into, because Jensen believes he’s more important to the show, and that he is willing to do some unsavory, sketchy and shady things in order to consolidate more influence, power, and control over Supernatural as a brand. Honestly to me this is looking more and more like something out of The Social Network to me then a miscommunication snafu. That’s what Kripke’s message signifies, it also likely took Jensen 6-12 months to get to the pitch and script outline phases. That’s a lot to excuse away here.

[ilovejared]

This is where I am with the J2 mess.

I think Jensen was wrong not to tell his best friend/co-lead/boy/brother/person that will always be in my life about the prequel. SPN belongs to Jared and Jensen.

And it's not because I want Jared in the prequel or he would even want to be. It's called common courtesy. Anything SPN related should be decided on by both Js.

Obviously, Eric Kripke thinks the same. His post proves the fact that he believed Jared knew because why wouldn't he?

Jared was not wrong in responding the way he did. He wasn't being an ass. He was understandably hurt. He found out about it on SM so why shouldn't he respond the same way?

Subsequently, after seeing more information coming out yesterday, I believe Daneel had a lot to do with this. I always thought she was a nice person and Jared's friend, but apparently not.

WHY IN THE NAME OF CHUCK IS SHE IN CHARGE OF AN SPN PREQUEL??

The prequel is a stupid idea which I thought the moment I saw the announcement. Teen John and Mary?? If you wanted to do a teen version of SPN, do teen Sam and Dean learning to hunt and growing up with each other, forging that unbreakable bond.

The tweets from Jensen's account yesterday were clearly not him. He generally does not sound like a 14-year-old girl.

I am pissed as fuck at Jensen right now.

I do not think that he faked his relationship with Jared the last 16 years. He's not THAT good of an actor. And there was too much personal time spent together.

I do not think Jared is perfect. But he admits when he's wrong. In this instance, he is not in the wrong.

Jared wears his heart on his sleeve and he loves Jensen. A lot.

We will probably never get the whole story because Jared is handling all of the damage control.

I just want Jared to be okay and I think he would have a major issue if he didn't have Jensen in his life.

I have my own theories about the whys and wherefores of what happened.

I love Jared and only want the best for him.

He deserves the world.

[rip-j2]

I’m on the opposite fence as you. I think this all started with Walker. For years Jared wasn’t going to act after and Jensen was so when Jared took Walker away from Jensen I think that upset their relationship. Their plan was to live in Austin and both stay home while Jensen filmed that and Jared forced Jensen to find another job making it so he couldn’t be home with the kids again. They were already fighting when the bar fight happened. Then Jared hired Gen for the show and that was adding insult to injury. I think that was the last straw so Jensen said well look what I can do with MY wife and started the production company and bought the rights and moved them away. I think they tried to work it out with the visit and such but between the distance and the hurt they couldn’t. I have felt like this the whole time so none of this surprised me. I saw it coming and when you love someone that long you tend to want to hurt them more if you feel they hurt you.

Speculation. None of this is confirmed. And even if it were true this is still a dick move from Jensen. You're still finding ways to defend Jensen to make Jared look bad.

Yes we don't have all the information but right now with the confirmed stuff we do have Jensen is the one being apathetic and rude.

But hey you know what continue speculating. I am basing my opinion on what has been confirmed. Even Kripke apologized to Jared. That's how bad this is.

[rip-j2]

Dont mind me Im just screencapping replies so people can easily see.

[rip-j2]

Idk if you still answering aks, but I wanted to let you know that I understand you completely. So many say: don't give up, let's wait, people make mistakes, there are always ups & downs in a relationship. But this isn't something that happens between a couple. A real couple would talk about this, they would share these things. J2 was just a nice, delusional idea.

It really was. Some people say that exes will do those kind of thing. Or maybe Jensen has an explanation for what he did. The thing is really right now, put yourselves in Jared's shoe. I would definitely feel gutted and honestly won't ever forgive something like that. That was 15 years of my life and the dude is trying to rebrand it with his wife. Like as a tinhat this is the worst thing that could happen.

Jensen chose Daneel. Face the facts. Even if we don't know everything that's what we do know now. So, I hope to god they were never couple bc at least Genevieve and Jared could be real. And one person he could trust right now is in his corner.

If you choose to believe they are or were together, you do you but maybe you just can't face the fact that Jensen really did betray Jared.

Even as friends, what Jensen did is dirty. So fucking dirty. Honestly, I hope Jared never forgives him and just moves on. Find healthy non-toxic people.

I stand with Jared. I hate toxic people in my corner. Maybe he could forgive him but sorry O wish they stop being best friends.

[rip-j2]

@proudpigeon

Yeah honestly they both probably are hurting. I am looking at this and villainizing Jensen but the dude is probably hurting too for him to do something like betray Jared like this. He probably has a reason and whatever that is it's coming from a place of hurt. Jared may or may not have hurt him but the thing is Jensen probably has problems and issues we may never learn about.

There is no black and white in this situation. Like I said. I do believe they genuinely loved one another at some point. And at the end of the day it is between them. Im just saying Im done with people always bullying Jared when in this situation it was obvious he was wronged and I dont think it is wrong for Jared to tweet his reaction because in the first place he didnt even get a text from Jensen. He has a right to say that publicly when he was informed of this news publicly as well. Why should he give Jensen that courtesy when Jensen didn't.

But yeah at the end of the day we dont know what happened bts. So, I agree with you. One way or another both parties are hurting. Jensen is just human too. I gotta see it that way.

Anyways, we're all hurting. And we all have an unhealthy obsession with these grown men.

You , me, all the crazy fans here. Hahahaha we all deserve each other honestly. We're all cuckoo.

[rip-j2]

Idk if you still answering aks, but I wanted to let you know that I understand you completely. So many say: don't give up, let's wait, people make mistakes, there are always ups & downs in a relationship. But this isn't something that happens between a couple. A real couple would talk about this, they would share these things. J2 was just a nice, delusional idea.

It really was. Some people say that exes will do those kind of thing. Or maybe Jensen has an explanation for what he did. The thing is really right now, put yourselves in Jared's shoe. I would definitely feel gutted and honestly won't ever forgive something like that. That was 15 years of my life and the dude is trying to rebrand it with his wife. Like as a tinhat this is the worst thing that could happen.

Jensen chose Daneel. Face the facts. Even if we don't know everything that's what we do know now. So, I hope to god they were never couple bc at least Genevieve and Jared could be real. And one person he could trust right now is in his corner.

If you choose to believe they are or were together, you do you but maybe you just can't face the fact that Jensen really did betray Jared.

Even as friends, what Jensen did is dirty. So fucking dirty. Honestly, I hope Jared never forgives him and just moves on. Find healthy non-toxic people.

I stand with Jared. I hate toxic people in my corner. Maybe he could forgive him but sorry O wish they stop being best friends.

[rip-j2]

@proudpigeon

Yep I did. I don't know about you but if someone did what Jensen did to me I'd label that person as toxic. I'd stay as far away from that person as possible. If you don't consider that behaviour toxic then fine by me. But I wouldn't wanna be friends with a back stabber.

But Jared might forgive him because yeah they have history and I do believe they both loved each other genuinely. Bc even people who love or loved us are capable of hurting us like that. Point is what he did wad shitty and if it were me I'd say good riddance. But I am not Jared. I'm just an ex tinhat.

[rip-j2]

@proudpigeon

Legality isn't the issue here. Yes legally Jensen can do whatever he wants. And honestly yeah, if he wants to do a prequel that includes Dean as a narrator he can do whatever he wants.

But what he did was rude. You know how there are social courtesies you need to do even though technically you don't need to do it. Giving Jared a heads up is one of those. He didn't legally have to ask for permission. Jared doesn't own SPN but he has spent 15 and half years of his life on that project. He is as important to it as Kripke and Jensen.

Even Kripke said he thought Jared knew. Kripke apologized because even the creator of the show knows it looks bad. Kripke himself apologized because it is a dick move.

Dick moves are toxic behaviour. I don't know the whole story. None of us do. I may be wrong in my assumptions and maybe Jensen has a reasonable explanation. I am not claiming he has been toxic to Jared all their friendship even though some people are starting to see that that could be a possibility.

But when one of my friends is doing some shitty things I would consider that as toxic. Jensen looks apathetic right now based on the last two tweets he posted. That's what did it for me. Jared was hurt and the guy only said I love you I miss you pal. The words felt hollow. And then the next day he was back to promoting his "baby project".

Look if for you what Jensen did wasn't that bad, great. But if Jared was in Jensen's position Jared would have been cancelled. This fandom has been cancelling the dude for more than a decade. But when Jensen fucks up "BIG TIME", big enough that Kripke himself thinks people should be apologizing to Jared, people are still brushing it off and defending Jensen. I am done with the double standards in the fandom.

So fucking done.

[rip-j2]

@swnylzonmydime

Thank you. Yes!!

Considering they're best friends, that makes it even more toxic behaviour. It's shitty. I don't like petty immature toxic people. Have some dignity and confront me if you have an issue with me. Don't do shady shit behind my back and tell me you still love me and you and I were just too busy to talk about something as big as this.

[rip-j2]

@proudpigeon

I don't know. I think it kinda fits.

[rip-j2]

@swnylzonmydime

Hahaha yes. But maybe they're just hurting as well like us. I was a tinhat and loved the idea of J2's relationship.

We're all hurting. Honestly, the healthier thing to do is to distance ourselves and realize we don't know these people. Maybe Jensen does have a reasonable explanation for this. Idk. But what we do have right now is Jared is hurt.

And I wanna defend him because even now people are speculating to make it seem Jared is the asshole all along just to defend their fave's face.

But yeah we should all take a step back. Maybe I am over reacting but I am just done with people always making Jared to be the bad guy when right now based on what we see, he is the victim.

[rip-j2]

Idk if you still answering aks, but I wanted to let you know that I understand you completely. So many say: don't give up, let's wait, people make mistakes, there are always ups & downs in a relationship. But this isn't something that happens between a couple. A real couple would talk about this, they would share these things. J2 was just a nice, delusional idea.

It really was. Some people say that exes will do those kind of thing. Or maybe Jensen has an explanation for what he did. The thing is really right now, put yourselves in Jared's shoe. I would definitely feel gutted and honestly won't ever forgive something like that. That was 15 years of my life and the dude is trying to rebrand it with his wife. Like as a tinhat this is the worst thing that could happen.

Jensen chose Daneel. Face the facts. Even if we don't know everything that's what we do know now. So, I hope to god they were never couple bc at least Genevieve and Jared could be real. And one person he could trust right now is in his corner.

If you choose to believe they are or were together, you do you but maybe you just can't face the fact that Jensen really did betray Jared.

Even as friends, what Jensen did is dirty. So fucking dirty. Honestly, I hope Jared never forgives him and just moves on. Find healthy non-toxic people.

I stand with Jared. I hate toxic people in my corner. Maybe he could forgive him but sorry O wish they stop being best friends.

[rip-j2]

@proudpigeon

Yep I did. I don't know about you but if someone did what Jensen did to me I'd label that person as toxic. I'd stay as far away from that person as possible. If you don't consider that behaviour toxic then fine by me. But I wouldn't wanna be friends with a back stabber.

But Jared might forgive him because yeah they have history and I do believe they both loved each other genuinely. Bc even people who love or loved us are capable of hurting us like that. Point is what he did wad shitty and if it were me I'd say good riddance. But I am not Jared. I'm just an ex tinhat.

[rip-j2]

@proudpigeon

Legality isn't the issue here. Yes legally Jensen can do whatever he wants. And honestly yeah, if he wants to do a prequel that includes Dean as a narrator he can do whatever he wants.

But what he did was rude. You know how there are social courtesies you need to do even though technically you don't need to do it. Giving Jared a heads up is one of those. He didn't legally have to ask for permission. Jared doesn't own SPN but he has spent 15 and half years of his life on that project. He is as important to it as Kripke and Jensen.

Even Kripke said he thought Jared knew. Kripke apologized because even the creator of the show knows it looks bad. Kripke himself apologized because it is a dick move.

Dick moves are toxic behaviour. I don't know the whole story. None of us do. I may be wrong in my assumptions and maybe Jensen has a reasonable explanation. I am not claiming he has been toxic to Jared all their friendship even though some people are starting to see that that could be a possibility.

But when one of my friends is doing some shitty things I would consider that as toxic. Jensen looks apathetic right now based on the last two tweets he posted. That's what did it for me. Jared was hurt and the guy only said I love you I miss you pal. The words felt hollow. And then the next day he was back to promoting his "baby project".

Look if for you what Jensen did wasn't that bad, great. But if Jared was in Jensen's position Jared would have been cancelled. This fandom has been cancelling the dude for more than a decade. But when Jensen fucks up "BIG TIME", big enough that Kripke himself thinks people should be apologizing to Jared, people are still brushing it off and defending Jensen. I am done with the double standards in the fandom.

So fucking done.

[rip-j2]

@swnylzonmydime

Thank you. Yes!!

Considering they're best friends, that makes it even more toxic behaviour. It's shitty. I don't like petty immature toxic people. Have some dignity and confront me if you have an issue with me. Don't do shady shit behind my back and tell me you still love me and you and I were just too busy to talk about something as big as this.

[rip-j2]

@proudpigeon

I don't know. I think it kinda fits.

[rip-j2]

I’m on the opposite fence as you. I think this all started with Walker. For years Jared wasn’t going to act after and Jensen was so when Jared took Walker away from Jensen I think that upset their relationship. Their plan was to live in Austin and both stay home while Jensen filmed that and Jared forced Jensen to find another job making it so he couldn’t be home with the kids again. They were already fighting when the bar fight happened. Then Jared hired Gen for the show and that was adding insult to injury. I think that was the last straw so Jensen said well look what I can do with MY wife and started the production company and bought the rights and moved them away. I think they tried to work it out with the visit and such but between the distance and the hurt they couldn’t. I have felt like this the whole time so none of this surprised me. I saw it coming and when you love someone that long you tend to want to hurt them more if you feel they hurt you.

Speculation. None of this is confirmed. And even if it were true this is still a dick move from Jensen. You're still finding ways to defend Jensen to make Jared look bad.

Yes we don't have all the information but right now with the confirmed stuff we do have Jensen is the one being apathetic and rude.

But hey you know what continue speculating. I am basing my opinion on what has been confirmed. Even Kripke apologized to Jared. That's how bad this is.

[rip-j2]

Idk if you still answering aks, but I wanted to let you know that I understand you completely. So many say: don't give up, let's wait, people make mistakes, there are always ups & downs in a relationship. But this isn't something that happens between a couple. A real couple would talk about this, they would share these things. J2 was just a nice, delusional idea.

It really was. Some people say that exes will do those kind of thing. Or maybe Jensen has an explanation for what he did. The thing is really right now, put yourselves in Jared's shoe. I would definitely feel gutted and honestly won't ever forgive something like that. That was 15 years of my life and the dude is trying to rebrand it with his wife. Like as a tinhat this is the worst thing that could happen.

Jensen chose Daneel. Face the facts. Even if we don't know everything that's what we do know now. So, I hope to god they were never couple bc at least Genevieve and Jared could be real. And one person he could trust right now is in his corner.

If you choose to believe they are or were together, you do you but maybe you just can't face the fact that Jensen really did betray Jared.

Even as friends, what Jensen did is dirty. So fucking dirty. Honestly, I hope Jared never forgives him and just moves on. Find healthy non-toxic people.

I stand with Jared. I hate toxic people in my corner. Maybe he could forgive him but sorry O wish they stop being best friends.

[rip-j2]

@proudpigeon

Yep I did. I don't know about you but if someone did what Jensen did to me I'd label that person as toxic. I'd stay as far away from that person as possible. If you don't consider that behaviour toxic then fine by me. But I wouldn't wanna be friends with a back stabber.

But Jared might forgive him because yeah they have history and I do believe they both loved each other genuinely. Bc even people who love or loved us are capable of hurting us like that. Point is what he did wad shitty and if it were me I'd say good riddance. But I am not Jared. I'm just an ex tinhat.

[rip-j2]

@proudpigeon

Legality isn't the issue here. Yes legally Jensen can do whatever he wants. And honestly yeah, if he wants to do a prequel that includes Dean as a narrator he can do whatever he wants.

But what he did was rude. You know how there are social courtesies you need to do even though technically you don't need to do it. Giving Jared a heads up is one of those. He didn't legally have to ask for permission. Jared doesn't own SPN but he has spent 15 and half years of his life on that project. He is as important to it as Kripke and Jensen.

Even Kripke said he thought Jared knew. Kripke apologized because even the creator of the show knows it looks bad. Kripke himself apologized because it is a dick move.

Dick moves are toxic behaviour. I don't know the whole story. None of us do. I may be wrong in my assumptions and maybe Jensen has a reasonable explanation. I am not claiming he has been toxic to Jared all their friendship even though some people are starting to see that that could be a possibility.

But when one of my friends is doing some shitty things I would consider that as toxic. Jensen looks apathetic right now based on the last two tweets he posted. That's what did it for me. Jared was hurt and the guy only said I love you I miss you pal. The words felt hollow. And then the next day he was back to promoting his "baby project".

Look if for you what Jensen did wasn't that bad, great. But if Jared was in Jensen's position Jared would have been cancelled. This fandom has been cancelling the dude for more than a decade. But when Jensen fucks up "BIG TIME", big enough that Kripke himself thinks people should be apologizing to Jared, people are still brushing it off and defending Jensen. I am done with the double standards in the fandom.

So fucking done.

[rip-j2]

@swnylzonmydime

Thank you. Yes!!

Considering they're best friends, that makes it even more toxic behaviour. It's shitty. I don't like petty immature toxic people. Have some dignity and confront me if you have an issue with me. Don't do shady shit behind my back and tell me you still love me and you and I were just too busy to talk about something as big as this.

[rip-j2]

Idk if you still answering aks, but I wanted to let you know that I understand you completely. So many say: don't give up, let's wait, people make mistakes, there are always ups & downs in a relationship. But this isn't something that happens between a couple. A real couple would talk about this, they would share these things. J2 was just a nice, delusional idea.

It really was. Some people say that exes will do those kind of thing. Or maybe Jensen has an explanation for what he did. The thing is really right now, put yourselves in Jared's shoe. I would definitely feel gutted and honestly won't ever forgive something like that. That was 15 years of my life and the dude is trying to rebrand it with his wife. Like as a tinhat this is the worst thing that could happen.

Jensen chose Daneel. Face the facts. Even if we don't know everything that's what we do know now. So, I hope to god they were never couple bc at least Genevieve and Jared could be real. And one person he could trust right now is in his corner.

If you choose to believe they are or were together, you do you but maybe you just can't face the fact that Jensen really did betray Jared.

Even as friends, what Jensen did is dirty. So fucking dirty. Honestly, I hope Jared never forgives him and just moves on. Find healthy non-toxic people.

I stand with Jared. I hate toxic people in my corner. Maybe he could forgive him but sorry O wish they stop being best friends.

[rip-j2]

@proudpigeon

Yep I did. I don't know about you but if someone did what Jensen did to me I'd label that person as toxic. I'd stay as far away from that person as possible. If you don't consider that behaviour toxic then fine by me. But I wouldn't wanna be friends with a back stabber.

But Jared might forgive him because yeah they have history and I do believe they both loved each other genuinely. Bc even people who love or loved us are capable of hurting us like that. Point is what he did wad shitty and if it were me I'd say good riddance. But I am not Jared. I'm just an ex tinhat.

[rip-j2]

@proudpigeon

Legality isn't the issue here. Yes legally Jensen can do whatever he wants. And honestly yeah, if he wants to do a prequel that includes Dean as a narrator he can do whatever he wants.

But what he did was rude. You know how there are social courtesies you need to do even though technically you don't need to do it. Giving Jared a heads up is one of those. He didn't legally have to ask for permission. Jared doesn't own SPN but he has spent 15 and half years of his life on that project. He is as important to it as Kripke and Jensen.

Even Kripke said he thought Jared knew. Kripke apologized because even the creator of the show knows it looks bad. Kripke himself apologized because it is a dick move.

Dick moves are toxic behaviour. I don't know the whole story. None of us do. I may be wrong in my assumptions and maybe Jensen has a reasonable explanation. I am not claiming he has been toxic to Jared all their friendship even though some people are starting to see that that could be a possibility.

But when one of my friends is doing some shitty things I would consider that as toxic. Jensen looks apathetic right now based on the last two tweets he posted. That's what did it for me. Jared was hurt and the guy only said I love you I miss you pal. The words felt hollow. And then the next day he was back to promoting his "baby project".

Look if for you what Jensen did wasn't that bad, great. But if Jared was in Jensen's position Jared would have been cancelled. This fandom has been cancelling the dude for more than a decade. But when Jensen fucks up "BIG TIME", big enough that Kripke himself thinks people should be apologizing to Jared, people are still brushing it off and defending Jensen. I am done with the double standards in the fandom.

So fucking done.

[rip-j2]

Idk if you still answering aks, but I wanted to let you know that I understand you completely. So many say: don't give up, let's wait, people make mistakes, there are always ups & downs in a relationship. But this isn't something that happens between a couple. A real couple would talk about this, they would share these things. J2 was just a nice, delusional idea.

It really was. Some people say that exes will do those kind of thing. Or maybe Jensen has an explanation for what he did. The thing is really right now, put yourselves in Jared's shoe. I would definitely feel gutted and honestly won't ever forgive something like that. That was 15 years of my life and the dude is trying to rebrand it with his wife. Like as a tinhat this is the worst thing that could happen.

Jensen chose Daneel. Face the facts. Even if we don't know everything that's what we do know now. So, I hope to god they were never couple bc at least Genevieve and Jared could be real. And one person he could trust right now is in his corner.

If you choose to believe they are or were together, you do you but maybe you just can't face the fact that Jensen really did betray Jared.

Even as friends, what Jensen did is dirty. So fucking dirty. Honestly, I hope Jared never forgives him and just moves on. Find healthy non-toxic people.

I stand with Jared. I hate toxic people in my corner. Maybe he could forgive him but sorry O wish they stop being best friends.

[rip-j2]

@proudpigeon

Yep I did. I don't know about you but if someone did what Jensen did to me I'd label that person as toxic. I'd stay as far away from that person as possible. If you don't consider that behaviour toxic then fine by me. But I wouldn't wanna be friends with a back stabber.

But Jared might forgive him because yeah they have history and I do believe they both loved each other genuinely. Bc even people who love or loved us are capable of hurting us like that. Point is what he did wad shitty and if it were me I'd say good riddance. But I am not Jared. I'm just an ex tinhat.

[rip-j2]

Here’s my take as a fellow former tinhat, just in case you want to consider it, because it’s the view that has brought me peace. Before I became a tinhat I believed they had an on/off relationship since late season 1, but the marriages are real albeit not super happy or loving - and that’s where I’m at again. Jensen has jilted lover written all over him. The degree of contempt and resentment towards Jared is not normal. He wanted to maximise the hurt and he did. I choose to believe they loved each other deeply for many years, but now Jensen hates Jared in a way you only do when with people you used to be in love with.

As a tinhat we have always relied on speculations. That's all and well if it has brought you peace. Honestly, the idea of them being together right now creeps me out if this is the type of thing Jensen would do. He has already done so much damage to Jared with this one blow even as friends. As lovers, this is devastating.

So no, that thought won't bring me peace. Reality hurts but the idea they dated is more horrific in this context.

[rip-j2]

Sorry but was was your old username? I only recently joined the fandom (great timing!) and I’m confused. Thank you!

J2-is-my-heroin

Used to be a tinhat. Not anymore. I can't stand the idea of them being together if this happened. I don't even want Jared to be friends with him at this point.

[rip-j2]

Idk if you still answering aks, but I wanted to let you know that I understand you completely. So many say: don't give up, let's wait, people make mistakes, there are always ups & downs in a relationship. But this isn't something that happens between a couple. A real couple would talk about this, they would share these things. J2 was just a nice, delusional idea.

It really was. Some people say that exes will do those kind of thing. Or maybe Jensen has an explanation for what he did. The thing is really right now, put yourselves in Jared's shoe. I would definitely feel gutted and honestly won't ever forgive something like that. That was 15 years of my life and the dude is trying to rebrand it with his wife. Like as a tinhat this is the worst thing that could happen.

Jensen chose Daneel. Face the facts. Even if we don't know everything that's what we do know now. So, I hope to god they were never couple bc at least Genevieve and Jared could be real. And one person he could trust right now is in his corner.

If you choose to believe they are or were together, you do you but maybe you just can't face the fact that Jensen really did betray Jared.

Even as friends, what Jensen did is dirty. So fucking dirty. Honestly, I hope Jared never forgives him and just moves on. Find healthy non-toxic people.

I stand with Jared. I hate toxic people in my corner. Maybe he could forgive him but sorry O wish they stop being best friends.

[rip-j2]

At the end of the day the fandom has a bias for Jensen. A lot of people just can't accept that perfect hot boy Jensen Ackles could do this to Jared.

[rip-j2]

Idk if you still answering aks, but I wanted to let you know that I understand you completely. So many say: don't give up, let's wait, people make mistakes, there are always ups & downs in a relationship. But this isn't something that happens between a couple. A real couple would talk about this, they would share these things. J2 was just a nice, delusional idea.

It really was. Some people say that exes will do those kind of thing. Or maybe Jensen has an explanation for what he did. The thing is really right now, put yourselves in Jared's shoe. I would definitely feel gutted and honestly won't ever forgive something like that. That was 15 years of my life and the dude is trying to rebrand it with his wife. Like as a tinhat this is the worst thing that could happen.

Jensen chose Daneel. Face the facts. Even if we don't know everything that's what we do know now. So, I hope to god they were never couple bc at least Genevieve and Jared could be real. And one person he could trust right now is in his corner.

If you choose to believe they are or were together, you do you but maybe you just can't face the fact that Jensen really did betray Jared.

Even as friends, what Jensen did is dirty. So fucking dirty. Honestly, I hope Jared never forgives him and just moves on. Find healthy non-toxic people.

I stand with Jared. I hate toxic people in my corner. Maybe he could forgive him but sorry O wish they stop being best friends.

[jarpadswalker]

To all those who are blaming Jared for tweeting Jensen instead of handling it privately.

There is a reason why Jared didn't handled it privately, you know why? Coz if he had none of the audiences would have known the truth and Jared would have been seen as the liar.

Ever since Supernatural ended and Walker began, there is one common question for Jared. Will you be part of Supernatural if it's rebooted? And each time he had said "I will happily leave everything to be part of it."

Now, Jensen and Kripke announces the reboot and Kripke tweets that Jared is not part of it coz he is too busy with Walker. When in reality he wasn't even informed. In reality Kripke, Jensen and Robbie schemed the spinoff behind Jared's back and then had the balls to blame Jared for not bring part of it.

If he had dealted it privately everyone including his fans and media would have thought Jared is too busy for Supernatural. It would have made all his prior answers to media where he said he will leave everything for Spn, a lie. No one even for a second would have thought he wasn't even informed, since it was Jensen's project. This is why when he first tweeted no one believed it, fans thought it to be a joke. No one expected such behavior from Jensen.

That is why Jared tweeted. He wasn't ready to be that guy who just say things for PR sake. He didn't want to take the fall for those who didn't even informed him what is happening? He didn't want to seem like he lied to his fans when he said he would do anything to be part of the reboot.

Walker just began he needs to keep his image positive he doesn't want to seem like that guy who doesn't want to do anything with his old project coz he got new one.

The guy didn't promote Walker for 6 months coz Sam Winchester was alive and Supernatural was still on. He didn't want fans to be distracted from Supernatural. this greedy people painted him as someone too busy. Jared is not going to take that BS.

And to think of... if it weren't for those tweets all of us would have trusted Kripke and Jensen. All would have thought that they asked Jared and he was too busy for it. When in reality they didn't even inform him.

I am glad Jared stood up for himself and blasted their lying ass. Lying about actors seems like SPN producers go to action. they did the same thing with Mark Sheppard and now with Jared. Good both of them decided to out their lying ass.

[ilikaicalie]

Not to mention he heard about the prequel while looking at his Twitter feed. It was only natural in his shocked state to respond via Twitter. I hope the J's can remain like brothers. They have been such important parts of each others lives. But right now I am so disappointed in Jensen’s handling of the whole debacle.

[jaytwosday]

Honestly, I think people are severely underestimating the role mental health plays in interpersonal relationships. Relationship-related intrusive thoughts and panic are extremely common, and can be triggered by fear of rejection, abandonment, and someone “not liking you anymore”