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google how do you tell your friends you were in the er and couldn't eat for three days without coming across as attention-seeking
seems like old times
I really wish my discord server worked rn bc I have a lot of feelings I want to write down
ford's lifetime of objectification is so important to me.
when you first watch the show, you don't really see it in tots. just taking the show in isolation, stan's experience is much easier to latch on to: stan is being neglected by his parents and the education system, and he compensates for it by becoming useful to (and therefore needed by) ford. the codependency and abuse are the themes that stand out.
which makes sense, since we've been following stan so long by this point we're bought into his character arc. alex has even said that ford was built to be someone who would explain stan's trauma response. we are meant to be looking at stan for these reasons and because ford lies to us (by omission) during his story. yes stan lies too, but only in the narration; we are shown the truth. ford's story is a lie both in narration and in visuals.
but as the show goes on and as the books come out, we are directed to start looking more and more at ford's experience.
when you read journal 3 standard edition, what stands out is bill's manipulation and how ford fails to grasp the lifelines fate throws him. we see ford transform from a man wanting recognition and connection to being isolated and unable to trust.
but then you read journal 3 blacklight edition, you realize it wasn't just bill: fiddleford was hurting him too. when fiddleford first presents the memory gun to ford, ford tells him that it's dangerous with a high risk for misuse, and to destroy it. not only does fiddleford lie about agreeing with ford and lie about destroying it, he also turns around and starts routinely, non-consensually using it on ford. whenever fiddleford wants to do something he knows ford will disagree with or be upset by? zap zap! conflict averted, no compromising or debating necessary. (and then, of course, he starts stalking ford to ensure nothing happens to him that fiddleford deems deleteable.)
and then we get tbob and watch bill hijack and mutilate his body, rewire his brain, and threaten his life. his value reduced down to a pair of eyeballs bill is more than happy to pluck out to use as keys if ford won't deactivate the retinal lock.
with this new insight, it makes ford's experience in tots significantly easier to see. filbrick didn't care about what happened to ford, he cared about what he lost. yes stan probably did care about what happened to ford, but not enough to tell him about the accident with time enough to fix it. not enough to let him be angry, let him grieve, let him figure out alternative college solutions. it was just right back to what stan wanted: sailing away together. for the entire scene, ford's opinion weren't asked for, his emotions not given a platform, until they were useful for what stan wanted: not having him kicked out. ford's experience of the event was so unimportant, he'd gone to his bedroom while filbrick and stan fought. he was no longer needed.
neither bill, nor fiddleford, nor filbrick, nor stanley see ford as a fully realized human being with wants and goals and dreams and aspirations of his own. at least, they see him as a fully realized human being only up until what he wants conflicts with what they want. after j3 blacklight it starts to become obvious that ford is a tool, a concept, to the people ford thinks are his closest allies.
to bill, ford is an escape (with just the show and j3 we think only into our world, but after tbob we learn that this is both literal and metaphorical). to fiddleford, ford is freedom (from his marriage, from societal expectations, from the pressure of being more than his roots). to filbrick, ford was stability (i refuse to believe it was just about the money, but more about what the money represented. filbrick and caryn wouldn't have to worry about making ends meet, wouldn't have to worry about their children's future; all reasonable desires for parents to have but inappropriate responsibilities to place on a teenager. not to mention how the lasting impact of the holocaust combined with the rise of holocaust denialism in the 1970s would influence filbrick's perspectives). to stan, ford was everything (he was willing to throw away his life on shore, both what he had and what he might have, to sail with ford, just the two of them, forever. and he did throw away his life bringing ford home: he murdered stanley pines and sacrificed 30 years in exchange for his brother. stan believes he is only one half of a dynamic duo, that without ford there is no him).
in a way, ford was a portal for all of them. something they could use to get a better, happier, fuller life. ford is fought for, someone hard decisions are made for, someone people do terrible things for. but not for him, but for the opportunity to keep him, to control him. hell, even his doctor said they want to kidnap him.
because keeping stanford pines is extremely difficult. he's hard to get close to, but once you're close he loves fully, trusts implicitly. but if he's wronged, he's vindictive, he holds a grudge, he pushes you away and he runs.
princess unattainabelle indeed.
doesn't it make sense, then, after all of this, ford would grow into someone who insists upon his own agency? that he was forced to become self-confident, self-assured, a man of action. that he would become an avid journaler so that his wants and goals and dreams and aspirations would become concrete, would become tangible. that he would become someone who lies about his past in order to have control over how he is perceived, how his life is remembered?
because after what fiddleford and bill did to him, wouldn't it make sense he would become someone anxious about his reality, his memories, his sense of self? how much of who he thinks he is and what he believes and what he knows and what he can do is because of changes they made to his mind?
does he even have himself?
for the entire duration of gravity falls, every character, at some point, to some degree, is chasing ford: his journals, his inventions, his knowledge, his identity, what he is able to give them, do for them.
but how many of them are chasing ford.
edit: just want to add this disclaimer for clarity. i intentionally left out other characters' nuance. if this reads uncharitable, that's not an accident and also i know there's a more nuanced perspective. that was just not the point of this.
@raccoonhusband #also a different point i think you failed to mention: being born as a twin caused him to have deep seated identity issues just like stan#causing him to fixate on his observable differences (his fingers and his intelligence) as a desperate attempt to assert an identity#he subconsciously blames his identity issues on stan both due to their obvious codependency (which is reasonable to want to break away from#and the scapegoating stan has received since birth (ugh that 'extra stan' stealing his identity! the selfish bastard!)#it's the reason he never contacted stan in those ten years and erases his existence from his life#because if stan is gone then he can only be judged as himself#but still not getting that from the people around him who don't treat him as a person#and he's still failing internally bc he mentally slots him and stan as the same person#stan's face is 'his face' on tv committing crimes even years later#he's not a fully realized person even to himself#basically his sense of self was fucked even before bill and fiddleford came along tbh lol
you are right, but the point i wanted to make was how other people treated him and how that impacted the person he grew to be. however, these tags are beautiful and worth peer reviewing here and give me a great chance to jump off them and pontificate more lmfao
because you're right, he was already treating himself like an incomplete and unworthy person. he already believed that his only value was in how he could change society for the better. so much of ford's hubris is rooted in his all-or-nothing thinking about himself.
just look at when fiddleford tried to convince him to walk away from the portal, just publish his research. ford was unwilling to be theoretical, he wanted to have figured it out and built it. yes maybe he could have gotten live specimens of the creatures from gravity falls as proof, but look at how the tourists reacted to dipper's gremoblin. ford wanted to have the theory, and the specimen, and the explanation. he didn't want anyone to build off his work, he wanted to be the final say in the paranormal. because being anything less wasn't good enough.
ford became the man he wanted to be, he erased his past and erased his twin and he busted his ass to become the scientist he always dreamed of. and despite all of ford's hard work, despite separating himself from stanley and moving across the country and getting 12 phds and inventing interdimensional travel--
it still wasn't good enough. it didn't get him anything.
his relationship with the people of gravity falls was so poor that ford was shot just for playing chess in public, ford believed bill's rat gift was a threat some towns person left. from the time he left new jersey to the time he left this dimension ford made two friends: fiddleford and bill, both of whom ruined him.
ford became a man he could be proud of, and everyone still either hated him or used him.
i understand why stan acted the way he did when ford called him for help, but imagine stan's reaction from ford's perspective: you realize you built a portal to hell, the devil has been torturing you for weeks, you haven't slept or eaten in days, you fully believe you're on a suicide mission, and you get so desperate you call the brother you haven't spoken to in over a decade because he's the only one who might still care about you and that's how he responds. not even at your lowest point, the lowest point any human being has ever been at, with such serious stakes, is it enough for stan to hear you, see you, understand you. he does exactly what you thought he was going to do when you debated if calling him was worth the risk.
and then ford meets jheselbraum and hears the prophecy, that he has the face of the man who defeats bill. finally, finally, he has proof of his worth, of his value, that all this pain had meaning. that he will finally be someone. that he will change things for the better: he isn't going to do something as small as bring humanity into enlightenment, he's going to save the multiverse from bill cipher!
and then stanley does it.
yes, the audience obviously is meant to understand they both did, that neither could have done it alone and they both have the face that defeated bill. but that's not how ford sees it. ford sees stan as the hero. ford sees stan as the one who defeated bill.
he didn't even get that.
what has his life amounted to? what has all this suffering been for?
what was the point in trying to excise himself from stanley if, in the end, even the prophecy saw them as one person? why keep trying to fight to be an individual?
ford went on a journey to build a life for himself, and in the end he wound up throwing it all away and sailing off with stanley anyway.
he probably should have just cut out the middleman.
I think this is where (one of) the themes of gravity falls, on rejecting individualism and exceptionalism, comes up the strongest. Because a lot of people think Ford is giving up his dreams, acquiescing to Stan somehow, by going on the boat trip. Even though he was the one that suggested the idea in the first place!
Because proving his Grand Unifying Theory of Weirdness, winning a Nobel Prize, getting his name in history books, while nice things, are not what he really wanted. That personal glory was only a means to an end. A substitute of love that Ford was always told he had to be worthy of. A substitute he hoped would make up for the unconditional love he never got from his family, and lost with Stan. He hoped it would fix the desperate loneliness in his soul, but we all know even if he got it, it never would.
He needed to reject what was taught to him by his father: If he worked hard, made millions, if he was great, he would be loved. But that was never true. Love, real love, is not conditional. The connections that were made that ended up forming the zodiac, the kid's unconditional love for each other and Stan's sacrifice showed him that. By rejecting this world view, Ford also frees himself from his own objectification as well. If love doesn't have conditions, he's no longer has to be a thing to be used by others in order to be loved. He doesn't have to prove anything anymore, his personal identity and worth is no longer something to be strived for because it is inherit.
And he's got his real dream back now, his better dream. To have the freedom to travel the world, to study what he wants to study without the constraints of grant boards breathing down his neck. To sleep in and drink some beer on a faraway beach if that's what he wants to do that day. To Indiana Jones it up fighting monsters with his best friend by his side. What could be better?
The only thing that could be better would be sailing back home to be greeted by a family of people who love and care about him.
I will also say I get the vibe that Ford does not like living in the Mystery Shack for far deeper reasons than the obvious (if I had ford's specific issues and insecurities I would hate it if my house was turned into what is essentially a freakshow too), like. That's the house he was tortured in, isolated for 6 years in, etc, and it's now within walking distance of his ex's corpse who per the timing of tbob can still see him. Like all the Bill stuff is out of the house but it's still very very close to the corpse. Ford's already pitched the science family thing to Dipper and the question has, by the end of Weirdmageddon 3, been amended so he's no longer bound to Gravity Falls, it's a place he can go to and leave voluntarily. He first left and was returned to Gravity Falls involuntarily, and if he were to stay in Gravity Falls after the series it would at least in some capacity include Ford guarding Bill's corpse in some way. I don't see a world in which Ford stays long term in Gravity Falls and Ford fully leaves Bill in his rearview mirror. That, and with tbob we have the fact that Gravity Falls is quite literally a town where Ford died and no one missed him put front and center.
Like with just the show, Ford's ending does not actually center him, it absolutely centers Stan. But (and especially from a doylist perspective) J3, tbob, and tinawdotcom all help shift that ending towards one that is ideal for Ford. I wouldn't call it perfect, but there is an argument to be made.
Like, from a doylist perspective of someone putting together a story, there are really only four settings Ford can go that would potentially be narratively fulfilling: Glass Shard Beach, Piedmont, Gravity Falls, and The Ocean tm. We can just scratch Piedmont off that list, Ford going there would cheapen the narrative weight of Dipper and Mabel's leaving gravity falls and going home ending, they're the protagonists, they get narrative priority (also dropping a long lost uncle in the middle of a messy divorce would turn the soap opera dial up way too high). So that leaves Glass Shard Beach, Gravity Falls, and Ocean.
Journal 3 establishes that the only circumstance under which Ford would willingly return to New Jersey is if he was flipping everyone off and rubbing his success in the faces of the people who used to torment him (and rightfully so). No one in New Jersey knows about Ford's success, Weirdmageddon didn't happen to anyone outside Gravity Falls, no point in going back to New Jersey.
J3, tbob and tinawdotcom (and also the show ofc) pretty firmly establish the narrative stakes of Ford staying in gravity falls as such:
- if Ford stays, either Stan leaves (disappointing) or Stan stays and therefore so does the Mystery Shack (j3: Ford severely dislikes the mystery shack, he views it as a freakshow starring mostly objects that bear his name and likeness and is a reminder of the lack of agency he has in what is supposed to be his home) (even if Stan would voluntarily close the Mystery Shack, in this scenario I am assuming Soos would still get his narratively fulfilling ending and he would get to run it)
- if Ford stays, he would be protecting the town in some way (per d&mvtf) which would almost certainly involve Bill in some way (per tinawdotcom) and it's pretty thoroughly established that even when opposing bill, that counts as keeping him in Ford's life and isn't mentally healthy for Ford.
And then you have Traveling the Ocean, and... I'm probably going to get crucified but I don't... Think... Ford's portal days were all that bad.
Like don't get me wrong that man has capital T Trauma, directly from his time in the portal. But I don't think that the traveling was part of that, fun as it is to experiment with it. In J3 Ford also describes this time in his life as "swashbuckling," which. Pirates. Ocean. You get it. Painted over star on the ceiling poem. The man has spent the past 30 years traveling (there's only three instances we know of where he dimension hopped involuntarily, the portal incidents and Dimension 52) and we know he visited at least a few earth like dimensions (ABW, Everyone is a Baby, the do over dimension) but did not choose to stay in any of them (for multiple reasons, but even taking his Bill quest into account he could've made one dimension his home base and traveled from there)(also for the purposes of this argument I am assuming Ford would be taking the interdimensional equivalent of a bus between dimensions and doesn't necessarily have the ability to choose to return home). Ford went from going down the NIHM signs of suicide like it's a to do list to actually surviving past 35, I don't think he did that while having zero sources of joy in his life. So Ford still wanting to travel like when he was a kid isn't completely out of left field.
Then you have the narrative impact of Stanley from the actual show, like. Ford could not leave Gravity Falls in 1982 or before 8/31 2012 because of Bill, because he is centering Bill which is bad for his mental health, bearing the burden alone, etc. Bill is gone because Stanley got off his ass, thought of Ford in a context other than what Ford could do for him by not letting him sacrifice himself for him, and saved Ford all the way instead of putting him back on his abusers radar. So, even just with that, the ocean is kind of the only option. Like what's Ford gonna do, guard Bill's corpse forever? Go search for anomalies in Boise, Idaho? When did anybody say anything about Boise?
Like the world isn't in danger because ford's decided to leave Gravity Falls and Bill can't just contact him no matter where he goes. He can tune in to the Ford channel I guess per tinawdotcom but all he's gonna get is Ford living his best life and not giving Bill a second thought. Like he could theoretically break the rules again but Bill is not actually allowed to contact Ford.
Like I would've loved a more established "Ford likes the water and traveling and boat" than just the J3 entries about the lake, to strengthen ford's agency in choosing his own ending (from a Watsonian perspective of someone who is in a story, this is the only thing Ford can afford to do for the rest of his life: he has no retirement savings, no resume, no social security, he's not allowed on airplanes, for as many crimes as Stan's committed in his name if they actually get Stan declared living again he will go to Federal prison, his scientific credibility is completely shot, he could help Fiddleford make Gundams for the US military industrial complex but that's not studying weird shit and people treat Ford like a war criminal enough as it is), but I personally don't see another way it could've gone down.
listening to Gravity Falls episode commentaries is great. Alex Hirsch nearly worked himself to death constantly. Grunkle Stan was nearly voiced by Matt Chapman of Homestar Runner. Literally nothing aside from the twist about Stan having a twin was planned more than a few episodes in advance. The zodiac wheel meant nothing and consisted of random symbols from the first 7 episodes because the intro was animated after those were done. Alex came up with the term “search for the blind eye” to be an extra bit for the between-season shorts before deciding to actually have a payoff for that setup and writing Society of the Blind Eye. Bill was meant to be a joke character and when Alex suggested that he be a real villain Michael Rianda responded “You, my friend, have lost the plot.” Bill getting one episode in the spotlight was basically chance and he only became the main villain of season 2 because he was so popular with the fans. The reveal of the portal at the end of season 1 was suggested by Mike without thinking it through and he left before the next season and the other writers were SO ANNOYED after that went through because they somehow had to keep that plot going for the 10 episodes it’d take to actually pay off. I am genuinely astonished that this show came together as well as it did at all.
By the way – this is a good time to let folks know that all of the DVD commentaries (including the “hidden” ones) are currently available in this YouTube playlist.
(They have been up on YT before, and removed. Highly recommend that folks download them off YT and save them, now that the DVD sets are out of print.)
I wish I was in a better state to compartmentalize. I really don't know what to do with these feelings now.
Like. I truly do not want to have expectations, and I know that now of all times is a terrible time to have them. I don't even want anything to happen, I just want to stop feeling like I have to bury this.
I don't want to be a confusing factor. I don't want her to have feelings for me because the person she'd rather have failed her. I don't want my feelings for her and desire to help her to get in the way.
I want to sit down and work it out like adults and we can't because it literally has not been a week. I'm so tired, and I don't want to have any hope that anything about this could work out in a way that is favorable to me.
I don't want that to be a goal or even a thing that it looks like I want. If I know what she wants it will be so much easier. But I can't ask.
My therapist: okay so let's think of some ways to keep you grounded and your emotions regulated
Me: Oh, I was just gonna work constantly so it's two birds with one stone
My therapist: ...Well, yes, avoidance is one way to handle your emotions
Putting this here where I don't have followers but god is it stressful trying to do something for a fandom where you can't say who you are or what you're doing. I am doing the thing I said I would and it's taking a long time because I cannot make this request when the building is on fire--and I keep being told the fire will be out next week and it's not!!
And people think I'm doing nothing and I am just trying to harangue strategically so that I don't get a "no" just to make me shut up
I'm gonna ask in person after the meeting tomorrow if I can so I can be like "hey people are still angry about this"
But in the meantime I am like taffy being pulled apart and I will never be recognized for my efforts because I do not want those streams to cross ever. Gah
This was originally my "off-main" blog and I might use it that way more in the future. I need a space to say things without worrying 😅
AGH THEY'RE PUSHING THE MEETING?! REALLY?!
Putting this here where I don't have followers but god is it stressful trying to do something for a fandom where you can't say who you are or what you're doing. I am doing the thing I said I would and it's taking a long time because I cannot make this request when the building is on fire--and I keep being told the fire will be out next week and it's not!!
And people think I'm doing nothing and I am just trying to harangue strategically so that I don't get a "no" just to make me shut up
I'm gonna ask in person after the meeting tomorrow if I can so I can be like "hey people are still angry about this"
But in the meantime I am like taffy being pulled apart and I will never be recognized for my efforts because I do not want those streams to cross ever. Gah
This was originally my "off-main" blog and I might use it that way more in the future. I need a space to say things without worrying 😅
Putting this here where I don't have followers but god is it stressful trying to do something for a fandom where you can't say who you are or what you're doing. I am doing the thing I said I would and it's taking a long time because I cannot make this request when the building is on fire--and I keep being told the fire will be out next week and it's not!!
And people think I'm doing nothing and I am just trying to harangue strategically so that I don't get a "no" just to make me shut up
I'm gonna ask in person after the meeting tomorrow if I can so I can be like "hey people are still angry about this"
But in the meantime I am like taffy being pulled apart and I will never be recognized for my efforts because I do not want those streams to cross ever. Gah
I get why this happens but it is craaaaaazyyyyyy how people seem to shy away from how hard stan does canonically genuinely reenact his dad's fucked up & damaging ideas of strength/toughness/ability/etc. Like it's obviously fucked up and complicated and hard to reckon with if you're attached to a certain fanon stan characterization but how are you going to talk about cycles of abuse with ford and not stan lol
Once again i am on my hands and knees begging for you guys to watch the show
we've all seen trans boy dipper pines but i think more people should consider trans girl mabel. that girl has the most gender euphoria of all time shes over the moon to get to do preteen girl things like having sleepovers with her besties and crushing on boys and covering herself in glitter. also i think it makes dippers manliness crisises 3x funnier if mabel already had a gender revelation years ago and is just chilling. see my vision.
okay, okay. Imagine you're watching Gravity Falls for the first time. You watch all the episodes in order EXCEPT one of them is mysteriously left out.
spin this wheel to see which one you skipped
how confused are you?
completely lost
a bit confused
i can probably put the pieces together
this will only make some scenes or references confusing
i didn't even notice i skipped an episode
reblogs appreciated!
he's either oblivious or tries very hard not to notice it 😀😀
'Bill Cipher fumbled'
scientists alone in cabin. you know the rest