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A bit confused here. Soo-won can’t lift his arm but in what sense?

He lifted it quite alright here. So its not paralyzed, is it. He can still use it but not lift it high up or fight with it anymore? Or how does that work? It was said it was only his shoulder wound that remained after all.

There is actually no real reason. Because as long as it was beneficial for Yona, Soo Won could use both arms. The moment he died and reawakened - suddenly - the guy is unable to lift his arm?

Maybe Soo Won just pretends it, and considers this his punishment. So it would be more a head thing than an actual medical problem.

I hope it’s at least not completely paralyzed because that would be just way too sad, I hope it just means restricted movements. But I don’t get why would there even be anything if he was using it just fine while it was cut wide open. Maybe it’s indeed a head problem. Can someone slap this boy’s brain in place again gosh…

I think, what makes me personally upset regarding Soo Won´s arm, is that he is - of course - the only one. The former dragon warriors should have "lost a leg" (Jae ha) or "an arm" (Kija) or should have been blind (Shin ha) but they are alright. Hak was also gravely hurt, but is absolutely fine now.

Only Soo Won is somehow the only, who has to pay the price - again.

Of course, because according to this story’s logic there is no worse sin than hurting Yona. Anything else is forgivable, like murdering people for 2k years aka dragon gods. I’ll probably never get over this bs

Or using literal slaves (Zeno used this word once, but it fits the dragon warriors so perfectly). The dragon warriors were Yona´s personal slaves. Even their feelings were literally manipulated. (Isn´t it interesting, that Kija still did not know, if his feelings for Yona were real or not in the last chapter). What choice did Jae ha, Shin ha, Kija and above else Zeno have than following Yona?

Neither of them was able to "betray her". The bond between Yona and the dragon warriors was one of the most fucked up things that happened in that manga.

What is even more detrimental is the high number of people that lived and died between the two appearances of Hiryuu. How many of them suffered for nothing?

And Yona just did not really address this. She did it for Zeno, but has she ever understood, what the bond was? She pretended like she was just so glorious and righteous, when this whole shit, just happened, because she was the reincarnation.

By the way, Hak of course perceived it, that the bonds between them and the dragon warriors were true and right. They followed her, because she was Yona. And if we consider that Kusanagi even told us, how delusional Hak is, then...

She pretended like she was just so glorious and righteous, when this whole shit, just happened, because she was the reincarnation.

That’s what I’m most annoyed about. Everything that has been happening to the dragon warriors, the decedents and Zeno is FULLY her doing. It doesn’t matter if she didn’t want it, it doesn’t matter if she had no choice but to do it, she was the one who allowed it to happen so she is the only one responsible for it. Because she was the only one who could’ve undone it but didn’t.

I once wrote a post saying Yona is either selfish or stupid/naive. I still think it’s the case because she either does not care that her happiness cost thousands of lives, or does not understand it. No guilt or responsibility for the lives lost is bothering her.

Everything has a price, we can see it clearly. The dragon warriors had short lives, Zeno’s was unending. Soo-won and Hak aka sword and shield had to go to the afterlife to get Yona back.

Meanwhile Yona never pays any price neither for her using the powers of the dragon warriors, neither for having the cycle on her hands. Her happiness is vital for her and she kept refusing to sacrifice anything that would mean losing it, even if it meant bringing innocent people into trouble for it.

Fine, because in the end no one paid any of the supposed prices. Yona got back as if nothing happened, the dragons magically got human body parts, Zeno became immortal, Hak’s body waltzed back from the heavens.

Soo-won meanwhile was the only one who got the incurable bite that left him a cripple. Funnily out of all of these people above, this guy never had ANY superpowers, his blood only gave him pain. So yes, basically the author is saying that betraying Yona cannot be forgiven, so he should stay crippled.

This sense of injustice is driving me insane you cannot imagine

I really do not want to sound childish, but it frustrates me so much. Yes, it was Hiryuu´s fault, that this whole shit happened.

Yes, it was likely that Hiryuu had been just reborn again, even if Yona had not wished for it. Up until this time, we do not know, if it had even been able for Hiryuu to become a god again or if he had to stay a human being.

If he had stayed a human being, he would have been reborn and the dragon gods would have made other dragon warriors.

STILL Yona did not care, if people suffer as long she could keep her perfect happy princess dream of a happy end. You are right. She is selfish. Unbelievable selfish (This is the reason, why Soo Won most likely didn´t fall in love with her. He hates selfish people)

It was so apparent. The same person used slaves and had the guts to tell to Zeno of all people, that they were just like this, when Zeno told her, that Soo Won/Keishuk would us the dragon warriors. Easy for her to say, she has never paid the price for any shit.

As long as she was happy and content, Yona does not care so much for the pain of others. She would have rather lived in darkness than to give up anything of the things she desired. Just that this would have meant the death of countless people. I wonder if this was, what Iksoo had talked about. That if she lived like she desired, than this would lead to a catastrophe.

If not for Soo Won, who found a way for Hak and Yona to flee that situation....

This is the reason, why Soo Won most likely didn´t fall in love with her. He hates selfish people

I think its definitely one of the reasons

Easy for her to say, she has never paid the price for any shit.

Yep

Yes, yes, yes. I was so shocked when she said that. “It should be fine, right? Even if it’s hell?”. Basically it means as long as I get what I want, it should be ok, yeah?

Bro the world will be hell only because of you being there, do you really think a whole country wants to live in hell for you to be happy? She’s horrible honestly, the way Yona behaved in that arc was insane to me. Idk maybe it’s me who’s too moralistic but too bad a supposedly “good” heroine is not.

And no one even notices.

If not for Soo Won, who found a way for Hak and Yona to flee that situation

Exactly, he was the one who turned the tables there. If it wasn’t for him, Yona and Hak would be done for.

Maybe I’m being judgemental but I struggle to understand what is Yona’s development about. She can do kicks and shoot arrows now, cool. She is less oblivious to what’s happening around her. Cool too. She finally accepted the one responsibility she had since birth - being a princess. Incredible, even though it’s literally her duty. But nonetheless she is still selfish, still naive, and still dependent on her defenders. Her development was supposed to be about letting go of these qualities but none of them really went away did they.

Yes, yes, yes. I was so shocked when she said that. “It should be fine, right? Even if it’s hell?”. Basically it means as long as I get what I want, it should be ok, yeah? Bro the world will be hell only because of you being there, do you really think a whole country wants to live in hell for you to be happy? She’s horrible honestly, the way Yona behaved in that arc was insane to me. Idk maybe it’s me who’s too moralistic but too bad a supposedly “good” heroine is not. And no one even notices.

And nobody notices it. Safe for a few people. But yes, I was so shocked, when she said this.

But it is consistent with her character. She was selfish at the beginning and she is selfish at the end. (She does have good qualities, but selfless she is definitely not). At the beginning King Il asked, if she did not want for Soo Won to be happy and Yona wondered, if she was not supposed to be happy. Being together with Soo Won was her happiness, after all. If he was unhappy...well. King Il for all his faults did say something true her. Soo Won would have become very unhappy and he would have died, because he still had the Crimson Illness.

This manga is crazy. We have so many people, who would sacrifice themselves: Soo Won above else, Zeno, Lily, the other three former dragon warriors, Hak (heck even Hak would have given his life to protect other people).

But Yona - the titular heroine? No, other people have to live in darkness. If they celebrate her for this shit, I think I am going insane. (Most likely even Hiryuu came down for a selfish reason)

The thing with Chagol - when Yona was supposed to sacrifice herself for other people - it was clear, that this was a trap. Yona would never sacrifice herself for other people.

This is the clearest difference between her and Lily, who does fit Soo Won more. Lily would have given her life even for complete strangers, for her friend.

I would expect this from such a "compassionate girl", after all. Do you wanna know, why she repeats Soo Won´s mother?

Because Yon hi had sympathy for Yona...No shit, Yona was so touched, when Yon hi thought about her. That is why, she adopted - likely- her will.

And yes, she is still selfish, still naive and still dependant. Maybe the dragon gods knew this from the beginning. Maybe these were Hiryuu´s qualities, as well. We barely know Hiryuu, after all.

Well what can I say. That’s exactly why I was utterly traumatized by ch 276 where after all of this Yona gets glory and Soo-won got shame. Not openly but that was still the overall feeling I got from that chapter.

I wish I knew Japanese and could talk to Kusanagi, what is her opinion on all of this. Does she think the Yona she created is righteousness itself? Because I was disgusted by her mindset in the final arc, however it’s never addressed and everyone keeps thinking she’s perfection itself. As if it doesn’t matter that she let the cycle happen and cared only about herself there. And that she was pathetically useless in the battle with the gods, she literally failed to do anything.

While poor Soo-won absolutely couldn’t go unpunished for kicking her out and all the good things he did do not count. Him and Zeno were the ones who made the most impact in the final battle.

It’s so unfair.

Does she think the Yona she created is righteousness itself?

Well, I doubt, that she considers Yona the most selfless person on this earth.

Ik soo was literally crying, when he saw the effect of Yona´s life.

I laugh how much you have to "take the gods literally".

"If you live on, the land of Kouka Kingdom will tremble and will be swept into the tempest"

Isn´t it bizarre that Ik soo connected it to Yona and not Zeno?

But Yona would have allowed the " scorching wave of bloodshed".

Even the dragon warriors, who are manipulated to love Yona are horrified at first.

Yon does not look so glorious in that picture, doesn´t she?

I think, Kusanagi should have let Yona - at least - worry for the wellbeing of other people, instead of completely seflishly assume, that the world was alright with her sacrificing all those lives, she did not know...

Yes I am also more inclined to think that Kusanagi knows what kind of person she wrote. After all, the people who’ve been saying that Hak’s way of thinking is delusional and wouldn’t lead to any good - were correct. So she did confirm that Hak is far from right for thinking the way he does. I guess it is the same for Yona.

But then why did she give Yona such an end. A person like her has no business sitting on the throne…and selfishness as grave as hers…should it really be just dismissed like that?

Soo-won’s punishment doesn’t sit well with me either. He can be guilty all he wants but leaving him injured was far from necessary.

But oh well. What’s done is done, now we can only speculate what will happen next. For me the most important thing is that Soo-won is happy in the very end, and the extra did give me hope.

Only my personal opinion, but what I would hate for Soo-won’s end is him being happy serving Kouka as a counselor alongside Yona and Hak (just like he dreamed). I would hate that. First of all Yona and Hak, despite still caring deeply for him, will never fully forgive him. They will never be friends like before. Secondly, Soo-won being happy with serving the kingdom wouldn’t fully convince me either, I don’t think that it is what could bring him happiness. I would really hate for Soo-won to turn into a second Keishuk, he is not like that.

I wish he could find something selfish to be happy about, unrelated to Yona, Hak or the kingdom. Something fully of his own.

I in fact even struggle to imagine Soo-won as Yona’s counselor. The job supposes that he will be with Yona and Hak a good part of everyday life, and for now they’re still not on good terms. How will that even work I wonder, I hope we could be shown the dynamic they’ll have.

But then why did she give Yona such an end. A person like her has no business sitting on the throne…and selfishness as grave as hers…should it really be just dismissed like that?

At least, we know, that Yona won´t get sick worrying for other people.^^ Well, she does have some good qualities, even though I consider Soo Won a better candidate. However, Soo Won is the type of person that "gives too much and dies, unfortunately."

By the way, I doubt there will be a 13. Queen/or King, as this is an unlucky number.

Still, I consider it unbelievable, that Yona becomes Queen Regnant at the ripe age of 16.

Soo-won’s punishment doesn’t sit well with me either. He can be guilty all he wants but leaving him injured was far from necessary.

If I am not completely wrong in my assumptions, there will be people, who value him highly. And this is - for me - the most important. If Soo Won will be valued as a king? I am not sure.

But oh well. What’s done is done, now we can only speculate what will happen next. For me the most important thing is that Soo-won is happy in the very end, and the extra did give me hope.

Indeed.

Oh, Soo Won will be the best counselor, one can be. He will "bite" and "drive Yona to the edge", if she should really endanger the country.

Soo Won is the kind of person, that just cannot be 100 % selfish. He always, always is thinking of others. He has always felt for other people. So the chances of him just going away are basically non-existant.

Yes, it might be, that Hak and Yona won´t fully understand him, or forgive him, but there will be people for him as well. The borders aren´t so clear-cut anymore. And Kouka is like a child that Yona, Soo Won and Hak have to take care of with others.

Well, as a counselor Soo Won has more freedom to go out and do stuff and this fits him actually better than being bound to the throne. I honestly believe, that Soo Won has never wished to be king in the first place. It has been only pain for him.

Besides Soo Won is not Keishuk and will never be. But Yona might have to fight a few battles, as Soo Won´s fraction surely has an overweight. Ju do, Keishuk and Soo Won share some values. I honestly would want to see it, what they plan together.

I wish he could find something selfish to be happy about, unrelated to Yona, Hak or the kingdom. Something fully of his own.

I think, he might find people he loves, different from Yona and Hak and in and itself has Soo Won´s way always been his own, even though he might call it "his father´s". Soo Won believed more than any other person in the power of human beings and his wish has been fullfilled. His way meant freedom from the people´s self-inflicted immaturity.

Surely, he needs to learn to play and be happy just for the moment, without purpose or intention. Just laughing with the people he likes. Soo Won needs no purpose, he needs - in my opinion- the absence of it from time to time.

in fact even struggle to imagine Soo-won as Yona’s counselor. The job supposes that he will be with Yona and Hak a good part of everyday life, and for now they’re still not on good terms. How will that even work I wonder, I hope we could be shown the dynamic they’ll have.

Oh, yes I ´d wish to be shown this too.

Well, she does have some good qualities, even though I consider Soo Won a better candidate. However, Soo Won is the type of person that "gives too much and dies, unfortunately."

Yeah honestly both have their bad moments. Yona will always prioritize herself and the people she loves over the country, while Soo-won didn’t even let himself live because he dedicated all of himself to the country.

I don’t think Yona will be a really bad queen if we’re honest. Though imo she is still very much at the “in progress” stage. There is potential but she’s not a ready leader yet, I hope it’s going to be touched later on. After all it’s exactly why Soo-won, Keishuk and Ju-doh are sticking around. She’s incapable of leading without them for now.

By the way, I doubt there will be a 13. Queen/or King, as this is an unlucky number.

I dont think it works that way, Yona’s child will for sure inherit the throne.

If I am not completely wrong in my assumptions, there will be people, who value him highly.

Yep that’s the most important point to me, we saw that Ogi and Lili do value Soo-won for being Soo-won. Not sure where Hiyori went off to but him too. Keishuk and Ju-doh I imagine will always be Soo-won’s buddies too even if it’s more complicated.

So the chances of him just going away are basically non-existant.

Yes, I also think so. I in fact think it would’ve been way more humiliating for him to just leave the royal life and go become a wanderer like Ik-soo. I can’t imagine that. Being the queen’s counselor makes him second person in power in the country (since Hak will never really be king, only consort). So yes, I think it does suit him. Though I worry how will he “find something of his own” if he’s always glued to work.

On the other hand, I do think he’ll be more free to move around now, and as he’s “not Keishuk”, I think he’ll travel and sneak out like he used to, even more than he did when king.

The fact that he’s “not Keishuk” is exactly what makes me feel that serving the country can’t be all he needs for being happy. Unlike Keishuk, Soo-won does seem to earn for emotional closeness even though he’ll never admit it aloud.

100%

Soo Won needs no purpose, he needs - in my opinion- the absence of it from time to time.

Yep, and I know the one and only person he was always himself with. I see her as literally his only chance to live a full happy life instead of finding it sufficient to be a pawn of Kouka.

Well, I hope, she will never be glorious Yona, but instead always value the advice of her counselors. She will need it her whole life. Even the most perfect king is only so good - this applies to Soo Won as well.

I dont think it works that way, Yona’s child will for sure inherit the throne.

Numbers are pretty important here. Soo Won was the 11th king of the Sky Tribe and he was crowned in the 11th chapter. King Il was the 10th and Yona will be the 12th monarch.

If the child will inherit the throne, we don´t actually know at all. It is a lil bit strange, that she chose these numbers.

It is not exactly rare that numbers might play a certain role in a work of fiction.

Even the freaking days demonstrate some symmetry.

In the first chapter: There were 7 days until Yona´s birthday, when the story started. Soo Won came right at that day and told Yona, that he would stay a week.

And exactly 7 days after the sun came back, Soo Won - again, he is the determining factor - announces Yona´s coronation.

We know this, since Zeno was telling us this, that he had vanished for 7 days. (Soo Won´s declaration and Zeno´s reapparance happen on the same day).

On the same day, Soo Won determined, that Yona´s coronation would be in 4 days. (7+4 = 11, Soo Won´s number as a king). He is calling the shots, again.

We also know from Val´s comment, that there were 8 days between the reappearance of the sun and the present day in the extra chapter. This is one day later, because there are only 3 days until the coronation. Soo Won the little rascal had sent the invitations most likely even before he asked Yona. (Tae Jun is right, one time of a million times)

The announcement of Yona´s coronation and Val and Meinyan in the tavern took place on the same day. There were only 3 days until the coronation.

There might be even more people, even. Even the group among Ogi knew "Won" - there were more people of the backstreet, who loved and adored Soo Won.

Would it be humiliating for him? I don´t know, it could be. I just think, that Soo Won feels such a high responsibility towards other people, even towards Yona (Soo Won knows, how horrible is sitting on the throne it), that he would not just abandon his task.

Indeed, there might be times, at least at the beginning, Yona might have to prove , that she is really the better candidate in comparison to the previous king. Soo Won was an extraordinary good king, after all. Even if this is not the case, Soo Won might help her here.

Forgetting work...I think, he needs the help of the people above all. Tactics might be really Soo Won´s field of work.

On the other hand, I do think he’ll be more free to move around now, and as he’s “not Keishuk”, I think he’ll travel and sneak out like he used to, even more than he did when king.

Exactly, Soo Won will be able to move more freely. And freedom - for others and himself - is one point he always had aspired to acquire.

Keishuk needs other people as well, or at least Soo Won. Soo Won is Keishhuk´s emotional crutch, the one person, Keishuk would sacrifice his life for.

But yes, Soo Won like Meinyan is actually pretty happy, if he is among other people. His feelings for others are so strong; I agree, close emotional relationships are what this guy desperately needs.

Yep, and I know the one and only person he was always himself with. I see her as literally his only chance to live a full happy life instead of finding it sufficient to be a pawn of Kouka.

Lily is surely the one woman, who will become his most special someone. After all, One day later in the first chapter, "she already appeared". I cannot expect it, when Hak and Yona will learn, that it was Lily, Soo Won had the engagement meeting with.

Interesting theory about the numbers and I must say there could be symbolism there as well, knowing Kusanagi. It's curious that Soo-won is the 11th emperor and Yona becomes queen 11 days after the apocalypse. 7 days before Yona's birthday at the beginning and then 7 days before Soo-won tells Yona to become queen.

The only thing is that 13 is not an unlucky number in eastern cultures, not in China and not in Japan as far as I know, it's only a western thing. So I don't think it will matter, in any case someone will have to rule Kouka after Yona unless Kouka colapses under her glorious rule haha.

The unlucky number is in fact 4, so actually it's curious that Yona's coronation was announced 4 days before it. While Soo-won's happened in 3 days. The lucky number is considered 8.

Would it be humiliating for him?

I didn’t express myself correctly there. It’s not that he’d feel humiliated, the only thing Soo-won has ever felt something close to humiliation was about girls and marriage haha. But Soo-won becoming a lone wanderer and a commoner, completely leaving the country to other people would feel humiliating to his character, as if he is not that special and was completely unnecessary since the beginning. It would feel like punishment/banishment more than what’s happening now. As if Yona is good enough to make it without him. So I’m actually glad he stayed there as her counselor, I now don’t really agree with people that say he better have left the country. Nah.

Keishuk needs other people as well, or at least Soo Won.

I still can’t get used to it to be honest, I didn’t expect Keishuk to genuinely care for Soo-won since he started considering Yona as the next ruler even while Soo-won was alive. I used to think he only cared for him because Soo-won was the perfect king but the latest chapters showed that it’s not true. Even though they’re quite close I wouldn’t say Soo-won was ever truly comfortable with Keishuk. Keishuk may feel connection to Soo-won but I’m not sure if Soo-won has any for Keishuk.

I even remember some drawings, I think made by Kusanagi herself where Soo-won says what he think of the generals, when it came to Keishuk he said he doesn’t really like him. But I don’t remember if that was official.

But in any case Keishuk is for sure not the sociable, empathetic person Soo-won is, and majorly doesn’t care for other people. He seems unbothered by feelings and people, while Soo-won imo is quite miserable without that.

I cannot expect it, when Hak and Yona will learn, that it was Lily, Soo Won had the engagement meeting with.

Yesss actually they still have zero idea that Soo-won and Lili have any kind of relationship, neither of past engagements, neither of marriage brought up by the generals, neither their current official friendship. I wonder what would their reaction be as Lili is literally the only other friend Soo-won has had besides them.

The only thing is that 13 is not an unlucky number in eastern cultures, not in China and not in Japan as far as I know, it's only a western thing.

The unlucky number is in fact 4, so actually it's curious that Yona's coronation was announced 4 days before it. While Soo-won's happened in 3 days. The lucky number is considered 8.

Wow. What an interesting piece of information! Great!

But why would Kusanagi choose 4 days for Yona´s coronation?!!

I considered 12 a lucky number, since Kusanagi has some allusions to the Christian Belief as well...with the big star in the sky or Arthurian legends. So Yona´s number is much stronger than Soo Won´s.

But Soo-won becoming a lone wanderer and a commoner, completely leaving the country to other people would feel humiliating to his character, as if he is not that special and was completely unnecessary since the beginning. It would feel like punishment/banishment more than what’s happening now. As if Yona is good enough to make it without him. So I’m actually glad he stayed there as her counselor, I now don’t really agree with people that say he better have left the country. Nah.

Ah, now it becomes clearer.

I still can’t get used to it to be honest, I didn’t expect Keishuk to genuinely care for Soo-won since he started considering Yona as the next ruler even while Soo-won was alive.

Based on his education Keishuk is a pretty logical kind of guy, and since Yona had much influence and apparently a couple of features of a good monarch, he would consider her.

There is a certain scene after Shin ha´s attack on Soo Won, when Keishuk - actually - wanted to draw back the troops, but Soo Won refused at first. Keishuk still was against it, but could not really explain logically, why he was of that opinion. Soo Won then told him, that he would not survive much longer.

For me, this was the scene that sold it for me, that Keishuk genuinely cared more about Soo Won than about their common goal. Soo Won was sick, in pain and Keishuk did not want for him to work any longer. Soo Won´s wellbeing was - apparently - more important to Keishuk than Yu hon´s plan.

It is actually logical, when you consider, that Soo Won did rescue Keishuk´s life from the other followers of Yu hon. They would have torn him apart for not rescuing Yu hon. Besides young Soo Won did want to include Keishuk in his play, when they were younger.

I used to think he only cared for him because Soo-won was the perfect king but the latest chapters showed that it’s not true. Even though they’re quite close I wouldn’t say Soo-won was ever truly comfortable with Keishuk. Keishuk may feel connection to Soo-won but I’m not sure if Soo-won has any for Keishuk.

Actually, that the relationship between Keishuk and Soo Won is not that bad, can be - in retrospective - observed very early. Soo Won jokes with Keishuk in chapter 11, when he becomes king. This is rather rare. He only jokes with people he genuinely likes - like Lily, Ju do and Keishuk as well.

Keishuk respects Soo Won greatly and does not refuse his orders - Soo Won has the stronger personality - Should Soo Won however endanger himself in any way, Keishuk starts to nag at him. After the Water Tribe Arc Keishuk shouted at him, that Soo Won should have brought more people and stomped away furiously. Even in chapter 276 Keishuk lost his cool that the dragon gods did not heal Soo Won entirely.

I do believe, that Keishuk is one reason, why Soo Won felt a little less lonely after the death of both of his parents. Keishuk took partly the role of a caretaker for Soo Won, who is 7 years younger than Keishuk.

However, I know, what you most likely mean. Soo Won does not trust Keishuk entirely, as he did ot told him many things like Hak and Yona being alive for example. However, I do believe, that Keishuk demonstrated to Soo Won his trustworthyness, as Soo Won wished to keep him as a counselor.

But why would Kusanagi choose 4 days for Yona´s coronation?!!

Idk😭. I double checked what I said just in case because I was sure about it being the case in China but not Japan but it seems correct.

since Kusanagi has some allusions to the Christian Belief as well...with the big star in the sky or Arthurian legends.

She does? Oh wow. Honestly…no matter how much I hated the final arc and chapter, I can’t deny that Kusanagi is a genius. To fit so much symbolism, so many small details into one story is very impressive.

Even in chapter 276 Keishuk lost his cool that the dragon gods did not heal Soo Won entirely.

Actually this was exactly the moment when I was finally convinced that Keishuk does care for Soo-won personally. Up until now his worry for Soo-won’s health seemed to me more like worry for him as king, since his health = ability to rule. But yeah in the end he does care, I’m very glad. I was scared he would also be charmed by Yona and betray Soo-won.

I’m also glad Min-soo seems to have stayed as Soo-won’s healer and didn’t crawl back to Yona. So +1 more ally of Soo-won. I hope that’s what it is.

Yes I agree. Ngl I’m still inclined to consider the theory of Keishuk being Yu-hon’s illegitimate son correct, they are so alike for some reason, I can’t shake the feeling off. Soo-won seemed to spend a lot of time with him in childhood too.

For now the only people we know Soo-won genuinely loved were his parents, Yona and Hak. But what’s important is that we never saw his thoughts on other people. I refuse to believe Soo-won is not attached to Ogi f.e. I don’t really believe Soo-won doesn’t like Keishuk, and yet his relationship with Ogi and Lili is a bit different, can’t even explain the feeling.

In any case I would appreciate it if Soo-won finally opens up and conveys his true feelings.

Soo Won does not trust Keishuk entirely, as he did ot told him many things like Hak and Yona being alive for example.

Exactly.

Idk😭. I double checked what I said just in case because I was sure about it being the case in China but not Japan but it seems correct.

Is Yona´s coronation then a not so positive event? That would be strange...But what could it mean?!!

Well, in a way Keishuk is his elder sibling. Keishuk learnt under Yu hon as well and followed his belief. It appears he was some orphan with nowhere to go.

I’m also glad Min-soo seems to have stayed as Soo-won’s healer and didn’t crawl back to Yona. So +1 more ally of Soo-won. I hope that’s what it is.

Min Soo was also a former playmate of Soo Won, even though their social standing differed. But unfortunately, since Soo Won had to become king, he also drifted apart from Min Soo. To the point where Min Soo started to hate him after the murder of King Il.

Though, you are correct, that Min Soo started to care for Soo Won along the way. Min Soo wished to heal him in every case.

and yet his relationship with Ogi and Lili is a bit different, can’t even explain the feeling.

Lily is the one person, that Soo Won could not discard - no matter what. That is the reason, why I believe, Soo Won loves her already pretty strongly. He jokes with her and is more an airhead with her than with everybody else. Soo Won is really partly an airhead, somebody that loves to play and joke, being rowdy and above else free. Lily is exactly his kind of person. Soo Won adores selfless people, who are blunt and a little wild.

Isn´t it funny, that he loves exactly the kind of behaviour that Lily most likely is unsure about?

Ogi is also blunt and rowdy from his character. He is a good person as well.

Yet, there is a clear difference between Ogi and Lily right? Soo Won tried to discard him, but could not get rid of her. Even after she betrayed him in front of so many people.

In any case I would appreciate it if Soo-won finally opens up and conveys his true feelings.

Indeed, Zeno and Soo Won have to open their mouths.

Hak to Su-Won in chapter 243: You didn’t see the Princess’s potential! She had the abilities in her all along! You were stupid enough to not see it! You could have married her and passed down the political power to her and avoided getting people hurt!! That was the best solution! You were selfish!!!

Kusanagi: This is harsh, but if Su-Won had not hypothetically killed Il and married Yona, they would have had a very unhappy marriage. Yona would soon realize Su-Won would never love her romantically. Su-Won would be too busy trying to wage wars and do politics alone, as he had watched Il for a long time and as expected Yona was not raised properly for reliable ruling. Il would be trying to break Yona away from Su-Won and constantly banning Su-Won from war and fighting with him. Things would turn south real quick. People would get hurt. The Su-Won x Yona pairing was impossible from the start.

So, Kusanagi said that there was no solution at all. So Hak was wrong. Hak put a LOT of pressure on Su-Won to solve things or do things differently if he could go back in time, saying that Yona had the potential, and it seems it wasn’t exactly fair. Was Il’s death morally “right”? Maybe not depending on who you talk to. Was the peaceful solution that Hak mentioned possible? According to Kusanagi, no.

Welp. What we did learn from this q/a is that Hak is in fact inside out delusional and quite dense. I'm not sure how would he react if he learned Soo-won never loved Yona in the way he wanted, I don't know if he'd even believe it. Even when Soo-won literally told him "the way Yona was, nothing would work", basically meaning "dude, your girl was not cool back then", Hak backfires at him and yells "no she was amazing, it's you who didn't see her pOtEnTiAl". So he’d be just as astonished to hear that Soo-won never did or could be crazy about Yona the way he always was, since it was in a way Hak’s philosophy for a good part of his life. He can’t accept anything negative said about her.

I’m really glad Kusanagi wrote all of this because now I know I was never a biased Hak hater or wrong about him, I actually perceived him quite realistically this whole time.

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What we did learn from this q/a is that Hak is in fact inside out delusional and quite dense.

honestly that's what i wanted to say 😭 no hate for hak tho but that's literally his whole personality like being crazy in love with yona and having a whole low self-esteem toward soowon that when he couldn't be him he self inserted himself into him and couldn't accept the fact that soowon didn't like yona the way he did, god the fact that the whole cursed hairpin plot took more that it should cuz he overreacted and blew the matter out of proportion when it was just a normal birthday gift. good that soowon is obvious in romance like kusa said cuz if he wasn't we would have seen the most brainwashing methods that make one person like another in front of us if soowon and yona end up together.

Now that i remember how his love for his friend was always conditional with yona like "I won't accept you as my king until you marry the princess " god how did soowon brush this so naturally and accept it hearing it from his supposed Best friend lol explains how Soowon always waited from people to love him and accept him as a king at least with conditions lol

that when he couldn't be him he self inserted himself into him and couldn't accept the fact that soowon didn't like yona the way he did i remember how his love for his friend was always conditional with yona like "I won't accept you as my king until you marry the princess

BRUHHH. Self-inserting into Su-Won is something I did not consider, wow. That's even worse. That's not loyalty. That would be Hak clinging to some idealized version of Su-Won because HE could not stand being the one in that position.

This seriously undercuts the idea that this bond was a real friendship then. That's jealousy and idealization.

Damn this is a huge hit to Hak and Su-Won's dynamic... I always thought their friendship was deep; yes, it seems Su-Won loved Hak genuinely, he saw how devoted Hak was to Yona, easily accepted the Hak x Yona pairing without any care or problem, heck he was even jealous of Yona for having Hak's devotion...

But Hak? Constantly feeling inferior and jealous, projecting himself on Su-Won, not seeing who he truly is, forcing ultimatums on him, calling him selfish for not believing in an impossible idea... this is not good. Kusanagi needs to make them talk it out imo; to say that they don't need to understand everything about each other is... not good. I guess they really were never actually friends.

not gonna lie, if Yona is the first queen regnant ever in Kouka (meaning that daughters of the king are usually married off to the real king, not rulers in their own right) I would expect it to be a bigger deal in the story.

More people should be more… talkative about that fact. There should be more political tension, distrust. Especially considering that Kouka is strained by reparations, you'd expect nobles and generals to question the stability of putting a woman on the throne. Not just a random comment from Tae-Jun. More dissent. More confusion from the audience, like “a woman ruling? Why did the king decide to give the reins to a woman? What will happen to the country under a woman’s leadership?”

Just a detail that should have been/be expanded upon imo. Is it because she is the reincarnation of a man that everyone relatively acknowledges who she is? Does that override the gender issue?

They clearly live in a patriarchal society, so that kind of shift should have been seismic. Where are the nobles who oppose this, generals who think a woman needs a husband? Other than the fact that Su-Won's reasons and health seem fishy, everyone is too understanding.

The End of Fate is Fate

Everything in Akatsuki no Yona is fate. Or part of the arrangement for Hiryuu, like the dragon gods express it. Absolutely wow. I was just baffled, why nobody felt personally insulted that their entire life was entirely manufactured by these bunch of gods, solely for Yona.

All the pain, all these people went through was because of Yona. That she is protected. This is unbelievable. But the most unbelievable part is, that she is so loved by everybody and everyone. I mean, Yona is a nice girl and surely can´´t anything for her position. Yet, if I was Zeno I would feel completely shrewd over, if I was Soo Won, I would not believe it, that so much grief and misery of his was due to her being born.

I admit, her forgiveness is great, yet the generosity of everybody else should be sometimes occasionally mentioned.

I still don’t understand and don’t know if that was ever answered. Was Hiryuu capable of ending the dragons back then or not? It seemed that he couldn’t because he said he’d leave Zeno and the other dragons behind and it’s cruel. But what’s confusing is that he asked Yona “should I end it all here and now?”. Why would he ask her if he should do it if he couldn’t? Doesn’t that mean that he could have?

Because if he really could have and Yona was the one who influenced him not to…well…

It would mean that there really was a way to avoid countless deaths and suffering. But because Yona wished to see her dragons and Hiryuu was too spineless to end everything, this whole cycle happened.

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This honestly ruined Yona's character the most, because she is responsible for people suffering for 2,000 years then by talking Hiryuu out of stopping it