whats ur fave ryden lore ?
the fact that ryan and keltie broke up on valentines day 2009 and brendon and sarah got together on valentines day 2009
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whats ur fave ryden lore ?
the fact that ryan and keltie broke up on valentines day 2009 and brendon and sarah got together on valentines day 2009
signs as times brendon was being really obvious about ryden
aries: the summer poem taurus: “woah, you don’t know ryan” gemini: literally all of vices & virtues cancer: brendon and ryan literally being the same people leo: literally anytime brendon has refused to say ryan’s name virgo: “we didn’t sleep in the same beds last time” libra: impossible year lyrics scorpio: putting a gay propaganda audio before casual affair sagittarius: folkin around and i have friends in holy spaces capricorn: “the brendon/ryan sex tape” aquarius: crying during northern downpour pisces: “what about ryan ross?”
what she says: im fine
what she means: cape town is where the last show U.S. pop punk band panic! at the disco played with its original members. it is during that time that many fans believe ryan ross and brendon urie broke up. with lyrical similarities between the young veins and post split panic! songs, the theory is very possible. in 'cape town' by the young veins, the band formed by original guitarist ryan ross and bassist jon walker, there are lyrics such as "i saw you, i met you, i loved you i, I left you, in cape town." this would allude to ross leaving urie and the band in cape town. the songs title and the lyric "when i was in asia i forgot how to call you." also bring up an interesting point. in the post split song 'bittersweet' by panic! at the disco, urie sings, "i've been to tokyo and to south africa, so many places that you may say i've seen it all. but my favorite place is the warm embrace of holding your hair back in a bathroom stall." south africa and tokyo = cape town and asia. the song is very blatantly written about a relationship gone sour, so it is quite possible that these lyrical similarities are intentional. keep in mind, this is not the only instance of corresponding lyrics. this has happened on numerous occasions, most recently with panic!'s new hit song 'hallelujah'. in 'lie to the truth' by the young veins, ross says, "i know i broke your heart, mine is broken too, now if we're even, then why are we both blue?" it didn't take long for fans to realize that urie had done it again. in 'hallelujah', he says, "and being blue, is better than being over it." is this yet another direct response? seems so. a third example of this is yet again from 'cape town' and the song 'the calendar' by panic! at the disco, which was written after the spilt. in 'cape town', ross writes "woke me in the morning, asked me if i meant it. i didn't." in 'the calendar', urie writes "and i meant everything i said that night. i will come back to life, but only for you." could this be brendon having feelings that weren't been reciprocated by ryan? the song 'the calendar' was, according to urie, about ross leaving the band. however, the lyric "at night your body is a symphony and im conducting' may suggest that there was more between the two than what might first meet the eye. there have been an astounding amount of occurrences like these, so it's fairly obvious it isn't some wild fan theory. another incriminating lyric from 'cape town' is "took you in the vinyard a couple hours after i met you. didn't need my passport said id let you keep it forever." shortly after the last panic! at the disco show, original panic! drummer spencer smith said, "recently we played in a - like a vinyard is south africa. that was pretty unbelievable." since the song 'cape town' was written shortly after the show, it is almost certain that is the vinyard ross is referring to. now, why would he give a total stranger his passport? that's simply illogical. he would give it to someone he had known and trusted for years...who other than brendon urie? considering all the other points made, it's likely that urie was the receiver of the passport. in 'cape town', ross pens "went into a graveyard to bum a couple flowers to give to you when i got back to cape town." now, if ross was taking live flowers, he obviously had the intention of returning very soon as the flowers would die. fans have speculated two things - that cape town is a metaphor for ryan and brendon's relationship or one for the band itself. could this be ross realizing he shouldn't have left brendon and the band? could he be guilt ridden? either way, it's clear he has some regrets. after his departure, he tweeted "i knew i shouldn't have left. i got tired of being buried." it is very clear that his is about leaving brendon and/or the band, as there is no other context this could be taken in. it becomes clearer that ross regrets his decision leaving, and has even said he "wasn't against" making music with brendon. however, the more suspicious of the tweets took place directly after the split. on june 23rd, 2009, brendon urie tweeted "love me. love me. say that you love me. i can't care about anything but you." on june 28th, 2009, just five days after urie's, ryan ross tweeted "I love love love you." now, both were in steady relationships at the time, urie with his future wife and ross with his girlfriend. it would seem strange that urie would tweet something like that. all that aside, the fact that the dates are so close and that it was directly after the split makes it suspicious. what really seals the deal is the amount of "loves" there - ross replied with the exact amount urie asked for. though evidence continues to pile up, we can only ask one thing - what happened in cape town?
some helpful ryden links
whether your a seasoned sufferer or your new to ryden, here are some links that will help further your knowledge:
the ryden manifesto - a very detailed re-accounting of ryden from the beginning to 2009. it even includes a little fic rec at the end.
the ryden manifesto part 2 - not by the same person, but some more information on ryden, this one including lyric references.
the periscope masterpost - a great list of times when brendon has mentioned ryan on his periscope. it also includes links to the halsey/ryden twitter happening.
the ryden conspiracy/lore masterpost - a good compilation of different conspiracies that have been analyzed.
the ryden similarities masterpost - just some interesting coincidences of ryan and brendon sharing similar tastes/activities i made.
other things to think about:
seattle lore
cape town lore
rockband live lore
the foursome thing with audrey/jac
frank sinatra/overture theory
the sun/moon theory
the ryden slow dance
the summer poem
halloween 2015
the “across the universe” cover
brendon trying his best to lie about ryden
the heart rate of a mouse
another fucking ryden masterpost
ok i know we have a lot already but not many are ~complete~ enough ot have been updated recently so yeah! here we go………………………
so as we all know, ryan has a questionable livejournal that he used before panic really became famous. there’s not a whole lot of ryden related stuff in that, but there is some cute stuff
“duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude write about how… wait, nvm. i suck at this. i suck at life. psh, YOU suck. I HATE YOU! haha you know i love ya’ baby! wednesday. practice. be there or be…GAY!” honestly early 2000′s brendon is a treasure. and another cute post from his lj (that I dont have the screencap for)
“I love my 3 friends to death. we are going to move out and see the country together playing music. I know it.” ryan on august 8th. 2004.
well he was right!! because soon after Pete Wentz contacted them to try to sign them. you can read the conversation here but here’s the best part:
Pete Wentz (7:48:06 PM): You guys look good. The chicks gonna be swooning? Ryan Ross (7:48:38 PM): once we get a keyboard player who can do all of the sampling we want to do it will be alot better too. its like we know how we want to sound, but just finding the right way to do it i guess is what we are working on. Ryan Ross (7:48:40 PM): hahaha Ryan Ross (7:48:51 PM): i dont know man, we look alright i guess Ryan Ross (7:48:57 PM): we look young Pete Wentz (7:49:42 PM): Youngs not abd at all Pete Wentz (7:49:47 PM): How does the singiner look Ryan Ross (7:50:05 PM): dead sexy. Ryan Ross (7:50:41 PM): he’s no pete wentz. but still
So now, we move to 2006. this is where ryden becomes real as hell.
Ryan and Brendon both were dating scene queens (you can see my posts of Brendon and Audrey here and Ryan and Jac here)
The relationships didn’t last too long, and after the couples split the girls both claimed the boys to to be gay together.
There is also a supposedly leaked conversation between the girls where they again claim that R&B (lol) are gay together.
slamcrashp33n: Hi. How big/small is brendon uries penis. twiggofviolence: About 4.5 hard twiggofviolence: I feel bad for him slamcrashp33n: Dude me too. twiggofviolence: Lets not start humilating rumors for him? slamcrashp33n: Ahhahaha no way dude. twiggofviolence: I trust u slamcrashp33n: No. I trust youuuuu twiggofviolence: he always wanted to have butt sex I think he might be bisexual twiggofviolence: I wouldn’t let him though twiggofviolence: That’s gnarly slamcrashp33n: dude fuck yeah. Don’t let him do the flipover on you. Right? twiggofviolence: Fuck no slamcrashp33n: Fuck yeah. twiggofviolence: Him and ryan probably do now twiggofviolence: I honestly think there’s something goin on slamcrashp33n: Dude I’ve been calling that shit from the beginniing slamcrashp33n: No one believes me! twiggofviolence: Me too whenever I was on tour I’d wake up and they would be sitting in the lounge together alone at like 7am slamcrashp33n: That’s shady as shit. Did you call him on it back then? twiggofviolence: Yeah he said there just “best friends” but he’d rather sleep with ryan in the lounge then me sometimes in his bed twiggofviolence: Go figure twiggofviolence: I just thought he couldn’t sleep on the bus but now I’m like wow.. slamcrashp33n: dude I always thought he used you as a cover up. twiggofviolence: I wouldn’t be surpised twiggofviolence: Honestly haha slamcrashp33n: Wow that’s some traumatizing shit. slamcrashp33n: Yo do you have a british accent? twiggofviolence: Haha sucks for him more I’d hate to be fmaous and try and hide that I’m gay twiggofviolence: Nah slamcrashp33n: Dude if he’s gay then he should be proud. Wellll all of his 11 yr old followers wouldn’t be fans anymore so I guess I see why he hies it slamcrashp33n: Hidesss twiggofviolence: Haha yeha he’s probaly embaressed since all him fans are so younge they would be confused slamcrashp33n: They probably wouldn’t even know what gay was twiggofviolence: True slamcrashp33n: Dude jac didn’t answer when I asked her about ryan. Do you know? twiggofviolence: Hahaha nope no clue slamcrashp33n: I bet brendon knows hahhaa twiggofviolence: Oh duh slamcrashp33n: Okay I’m off. Thanks for the info. twiggofviolence: Have fun tell everyone u know twiggofviolence: Haha slamcrashp33n: Hhhahah yeah I figured you didn’t really care about humiliating rumors
so that brings us to the most important event in recorded history ever! summer of 2006!
First off, a ridiculously important interview Greta Salpeter from the Hush Sound did after they toured with panic:
Q: Tell us about your craziest touring experience. On the 2006 Panic Tour, we played the House of Blues in Myrtle Beach [JUNE 24TH]. After the show, most of the bands and crew walked a mile to the beach and, having not brought our swimsuits, decided to swim in underwear or totally nude. Bob and I opted to skinny dip and, at one point, he was trying to get back to the shore but the waves were crashing over him and he was gasping for breath. I yelled to him, ‘Bob, are you going to live? As much as I want to help you, we are both naked so I can’t.’ (Would have been far too awkward). Thankfully, he survived in one glorious piece.
The next night, Ryan made this infamous entry on his livejournal:
6-25-06 01:21:28 PDT - (No Subject) The moon bred new Atlantic life tonight.the salt burned you right out of my eyes.and secrets we’re not proud of were taken with the tide. We were all newborns with blurred vision and no sense of direction. Today I saw cancer, cigarettes and shortness of breath. this is why I walk to the ocean.swim with jellyfish.I may never get this chance again. this is why if you want to kiss you should kiss. If you want to cry you should cry, and if you want to live you should live. You don’t have to love me. You already did. At least enough to keep me smiling from South Carolina to Virginia.it’s for lovers (orjustfriends) This is why I do it. Then Dream, one of the dancers who was on tour with them at the time, also wrote this in her journal: June 24th, 2006 It’s our last night in Florida and let me tell you… this finally turned into a crazy rock tour… lots of shenanigans happened tonight… but I’ll save this story for the memoirs! Every night I stand on stage and tell the crowd that Brendon is a virgin… let’s just put it this way… it ain’t true!!!!
(Here’s a cute video where Brendon looks good as hell and Ryan says he’s no longer a virgin)
Then, the end of summer. Panic play an iconic show at the MTV VMAs at the end of August (a video for anyone who hasn’t seen.) This is where Ryan meets Keltie who becomes his girlfriend for a while.
2007 comes and passes and not a lot happens, as they were away (fucking) in a cabin and writing Pretty. Odd. However, something important did happen!!
Ryan’s 21st birthday. His party was in New York City
Brendon wasn’t in NYC at the time, he was in rainy Seattle (important!!!). After the party, Ryan flew out to Seattle (apparently not warming Keltie).
*scooby doo villain voice* and he would’ve gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for those darn fan pics!
(I couldn’t find the original picture I’m sorry to whoever this fan, this hero is)
This event is believed to be the inspiration to Northern Downpour (Seattle is rainy and in the north… ryden is real) The song also had the lyrics,
I missed your skin when you were east,
You clicked your heels and wished for me.
Ryan was in the east coast….. anyway………
finally, 2008. Good year for ryden.
First off, here’s something from on Dylan Urie’s (Brendon and Shane’s dog) myspace: Aug 11, 2008 7:33 PM Subject: awaking from summer dreams is never easy, Body: but being awoken makes it so much worse. as summer comes to an end we lose and gain so much. summer lovers become part time lovers, then slowly fade to just a simple memory. maybe it’s not so simple to some of us, though. maybe we can’t just forget at the first leaf of autumn. maybe we remember every detail until our last breath of air. maybe we really aren’t okay when asked. maybe we’re holding on, as we watch them let go. sometimes, it is quite apparent that our “significant other” doesn’t feel the same. we deal, because we know that there has to be something there. a twinkle in an eye. a shock when we kiss. whatever it is, it’s there. and maybe one day they’ll notice it too. you know, i’ve never really liked days off. they make me think too much. it’s time to start loving to live, not living to love. we can only give so much without anything in return. this was pretty much just something i completely made up because i wanted to say i had a totally awesome summer. then again, maybe it’s not so fictional for most of us after all? summer’s almost over kiddos. time to get back to filling those brains of yours’ with knowledge or maybe just nonsense with a degree. stay smart, xo
You’ll start to notice that in several of both Ryan and Brendon’s lyrics (even now), they repeatedly refer to “living in a dream” or things along that line. (if you look back to the poem posted on Dylan’s myspace, the subject line reads “awaking from summer dreams are never easy.”)
Finally, in March 2008, Pretty. Odd. is released. the most important album of all time. The album had repeated references to the ocean (where ryden supposedly has sex), the summer, and dreams.
Northern Downpour “we should feed our jewelry to the sea When the Day Met the Night. “in the middle of summer” Behind the Sea (self explanatory) Folkin’ Around “Allow me to exaggerate a memory or two Where summers lasted longer than Longer than we do” She Had the World “Throwing a line out to sea To see if I can catch a dream” From a Mountain in the Middle of the Cabins “Watch love get strangled by a kite’s cold strings Fall comes early and summer leaves As a storm with the car keys” She’s a Handsome Woman “Reverie” is another word for dream. Northern Downpour “If all our life is but a dream” Behind the Sea “A daydream spills from my corked head” She Had the World “Throwing a line out to sea to see if I can catch a dream
Also something I noticed as I was looking through these lyrics (I noticed a lot but this is the only one where I’m not reaching too hard) in That Green Gentleman, these are the lyrics:
Little deaths in musical beds. So it seems I’m someone I’ve never met. You will only hear these elegant crimes, Fall on your ears from criminal dimes. They spill unfound from a pretty mouth.
The word for orgasm is French translates into “little death.” I interperet the second verse to talking about when Jac and Audrey revealed Ryden, but thats just me.
Another thing that becomes important is references to the sun/moon. Most people consider Brendon to be the sun and Ryan to be the moon. Even today they still talk about this.
Also, there is many instances of Pretty. Odd. lyrics referencing a gay poet, Arthur Rimbaud.
Mas as Rabbits: We must reinvent love.
AR: I don’t like women, love must be reinvented, that’s for certain.
She’s a Hansome Woman: I wasn’t born to be a skeleton
AR: I wasn’t born to be a skeleton.
Behins the Sea: Yes, we’re all too smart to talk to God.
AR: Does he talk to God? Perhaps I myself should go talk to God.
Mad as Rabbits: Preached the devil in the belfry
Also, just for bonus, I added in two of my fave ryden pictures of all time…..
in which ryans shirt button gets fucked up and Brendon’s shirt comes off… anyway….. here’s another picture (I’m trying to keep this as picture-free as possible because I know it makes it super hard on mobile users)
I am loving Ryan’s Brendon bracelet!
Another random thing: Spencer and Jon did an interview with out.com and had this to say:
Walker: And what’s the problem if Ryan and Brendon were actually dating, you know? There’s not really any problem with that. Smith: Because they might be.
So now, 2009. The end of Ryden.
Ryan and Jon left in July and there’s no more ryden. Now, we just have to use songs released by everyone’s side projects to get our Ryden fix (and there is so much……….)
The Young Veins (2010)
CAPE TOWN!: You asked me if I meant everything I said that night, I didn’t./I loved you, I left you, I lost you in Cape Town. (also: the last pre-split panic show was in Cape Town)
Maybe I Will, Maybe I Won’t: Will you come visit me, finally finding sleep, we’ll swim around in dreams, stay afloat
Everyone But You: She comes to me when I dream, I’m tired of counting sheep to see her, I sleep because I need her.
Dangerous Blues: All I do is lie by the ocean side/Even the tide gets high at night.
Lie to the Truth: I know I broke your heart, mine is broken too. Now if we’re even, why are we both blue?
Panic! at the Disco
(2011)
Memories: When they decided they would try to make it on their own/When July became December, their affection fought the cold. But they couldn’t quite remember, what inspired them to go.
Trade Mistakes: I may never sleep tonight as long as you’re still burning bright. If I could trade mistakes for sheep, count me away before you sleep. I’ll stay awake till I trade my mistakes or they fade away.
The Calender (confirmed to be about the split): Put another X on the calendar, summer’s on its deathbed. There is simply nothing worse than knowing how it ends. And I meant everything I said that night. (last lyrics is a response to Cape Town)
Nearly Witches: Matching set of marching clocks, the slumbering apparitions that they’ve come to wake up. (clearly referencing behind the sea)
(2013)
Vegas Lights: Oh, if you only knew what we’ve been up to, I guarantee you’d keep it secret. So give it to me now, we’re lost in a dream now
(2015)
Hallelujah: The time for being sad is over and you miss him like you miss no other, and being blue is better than being over it. (a response to Ryan’s question in Lie to the Truth)
Ryan Ross (2014)
Where I Belong: I know I should’ve never left, I’d gotten tired of being buried.
Lonely Moonlight: I’m not even going to decipher this the name is enough
So that’s the gist of it! I made this whole thing in five hours and by the time I finished it was 2am so forgive my typos. ryden is real
so you might remember these two posts right? so i did some digging around livejournal and i found out some more about this night??
so. this whole thing happened the night of september 29th, 2008 in new york. panic were about to start the rock band live tour with dashboard confessional, and to decide what other band would be joining them on the shows, they did a contest, in which brendon, ryan and some dude from dashboard confessional were the judges. which is what was happening this night!!
so far i’ve found two people’s recaps of the night and they mention that
-brendon was missing for the first two bands
-when brendon got there he was really energetic and started drumming on ryan’s leg. thats fine
-all the judges had a notepad, u can see ryan has his on his lap here
-ryan kept writing mathematic equations on his for some fucking reason but whats more important brendon kept writing stuff on his and showing it to ryan. nobody saw what brendon was writing 👀👀 we should ask ryan
-apparently after the fourth corona zack took brendons drink away and he pouted like a babby
-brendon tripped and almost fell on ryan but zack caught him
ok so thats the info that ive been able to gather. i know this is not like. official ryden lore and there isnt much evidence but i think we can all agree that they were excessively cuddly on this night for no fucking reason. to illustrate my point im gonna put all the videos and pictures i have from this night under the cut. if i end up finding more info ill add it 2 this post!!
anyways in my Heart i know it. i just know that this night when they went home ryan fucked brendon. ryden was real
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Do u know where I can read the ryden conspiracy theory master post????
here ya go! that one’s really old, like pre-split i think, so here is another one i like!