Fuck The Leaf Village

@sasukextherapy

This is a Naruto side blog where I post random Naruto shit. Pro Sasuke, Pro Neji, Pro Team Taka Anti Konoha, Anti Shinobi System, Anti Ending

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If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a thousand times. Just because something is canon doesn’t automatically make it good.

The feminine urge to rewrite Naruto and actually explore how fucked up the shinobi system is

#naruto #naruto shippuden #the entire system is built upon child soldiers

drowninginyourtouch

i haven't watched naruto how accurate is this

I think cold hard truth is Itachi wasn't a loving brother towards Sasuke, Itachi was only focus on his death wish being fulfilled at all costs and turning Sasuke into him Legacy to vendicate himself( Itachi). It always about what Itachi wanted and he sacfriced his brothers mind and so many Clan Memebers live for his false peace.

Itachi’s love was selfish, he always thought of what he wants for Sasuke and himself rather than what Sasuke would want for himself, he tried to force his own biased beliefs on Sasuke, manipulated him again and again into following the path he had chosen for him, and made sure to keep him in the dark… all that did was cause Sasuke even more pain, more suffering, more confusion. Yes, Itachi truly loved his brother but the way he chose to show it was just wrong, you don’t treat the one you love like some property of yours, you don’t manipulate them like a toy, and more importantly, you don’t force your own choices on them, you treat them like humans, you let them feel, choose, and be the person they want to be.

Itachi only realized his many mistakes after his death, when he got revived he saw what his bad choices have done to Sasuke, what it turned him into, and that’s when he realized how wrong he was all along. It’s after then that he finally saw Sasuke as a person and decided to just let him be himself.

From his own perspective, Itachi had only good intentions at heart, but what was the cost of his selfishness? His ignorance? Nothing but more pain for Sasuke whom he left to suffer the pain of loneliness, the pain of lose, the horror of that tragic night, and the need for revenge, all while struggling with the shock that the brother he loved and admired was but a heartless criminal… Itachi hurt Sasuke more than anyone did, I don’t see how what they shared then is to be called true love…

okbyyyyyyeeeeeeee-deactivated20

motherfucking s*kura rats blaming sasuke for s*kura's spineless and embarrassing behaviour around him 🤦🤦🤦

she is a mediocre character in fact, her personality is boring and annoying, and her so called "potential" is entirely made up by her fans and doesn't exist in canon.

"the problem comes when it revolves around sasuke" and when DOESN'T IT revolve around sasuke??? what did she ever do for herself that wasn't motivated by sasuke in a way? she became a ninja for his sake, asked tsunade to train her to help naruto bring sasuke back and to not feel useless compared to him and naruto, even during her fight with sasori sasuke also played a big part of why she was so determined to win that fight, she showed off during the war to impress him, she doesn't do anything for her sake.

"s*kura turns into a mess and throws her agency out off the window" what agency? last time i checked she hardly has any goals outside of having sasuke back or going along with whatever naruto wants to do if that's what's going to bring sasuke back.

"when sasuke is not around s*kura is a really pleasant character" lol she's not, next

"with her uniqueness among the cast and her own personality and that set of specializations and things only she can accomplish" uhmmmmm??? fuck tsunade i guess

"when he's not around, s*kura really acts like what she is, the brain of her team, the coordinator, the person everyone can and must depend on when brute force fails" ????????????????????????? lmfao look what happened when she was in charge in land of iron when she, lee, kiba and sai went to search for sasuke, she knocked them out, left them in the open, and had to get saved by kakashi and naruto. name one instance when she acted like a decent leader who can succesfully command and lead a team to succes? oh, yeah. THERE'S NONE. if people were left to depend on s*kura on a deadly mission then... rip to them.

"and now i can be sure that the problem here is sasuke and not s*kura. why? because something similar happens to the rest of the cast" ??????????????? it literally doesn't, she's the only one who becomes pathetically embarrassing in front of him, needing validation and acknowledgement from him IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUCKING WAR, no character suddenly transforms into a different character when sasuke shows up. look at the war arc when sasuke arrived to the battlefield. everyone acted perfectly in character. shikamaru was keeping his distance, ino was curious and wanting to get closer, kiba screamed something etc. were they supposed to act stupid and refuse his help??? and the fact that sasuke is forgiven at the end does not make the characters OOC. the fact that you're not okay with sasuke being forgiven it's a YOU problem, not a characters' problem or an author's problem. this bitch acting like sasuke showing up or being forgiven is somehow stripping the other characters of their "agencies", and that's really not the fucking case in the slightest. only a delusional sasuke hater could reach that conclusion. how is shikamaru, for example, or lee, or kiba, or anyone else, "stripped of their agencies" by sasuke's presence??? and even if they acted in ooc ways around sasuke, that would've not been sasuke's fault, since he isn't forcing them to act in a certain way. and honestly, if you're so hellbent on blaming a character because you didn't like how your favorite pink trashbag acts around him or if you don't like how the side characters were treated, or that they didn't get as much screen time or relevance as this character you're so dead set on hating, you should blame naruto himself more than anyone. he's the overglorified messiah of his universe that had kishimoto writting his side characters as incompetent in order for naruto to sweep in and save the day, he's the one neji had to be killed for, he's the one kishimoto constantly reverts s*kura into a damsel in distress for. but of course you're not going to do that (that person is a narhina shipper who thinks nart is some amazing father figure compared to sasuke who is terrible, even tho naruto was this close to abandoning everything to join sasuke on his mission and the only reason he didn't do it, is because sasuke didn't let him, but sure, let's blame only sasuke for everything, right???)

just because you s*kutards don't like how she acts around sasuke it doesn't mean "she throws her personality and life away for him". it's PART OF HER PERSONALITY to act like that, what's not clicking???? and last time i checked, she was the one who wanted sasuke to throw his goals away for her so she can have her happy team 7 living a happily ever after (her last confession to him at the end of the manga).

why would anyone blame sasuke for ss when it's on s*kura entirely? from the get go all she wanted the most was sasuke, not the other way around. these bitches act like sasuke holds s*kura at gun point to act in a certain way around him. he doesn't. she acts like that because from the start she was a pathetic character that had no real self confidence and self esteem and needed validation from other characters, firstly from popular girls like ino and then secondly from sasuke, the popular guy. but obviously it's easier to blame sasuke instead of accepting that she's a pathetic character and a show off.

the way these extremely delusional s*kutards twist everything to suit their pro pink trashbag bias and to redirect the blame from s*kura's OWN actions to sasuke is truly a sight to behold.

it's also incredibly funny how you blaming sasuke for s*kura apparently "throwing her agency out off the window" while you're also acting like she has no agency at all and can't be held responsible for her own annoying behaviour.

do you do that in real life to? embarrass yourself in front of your crushes and blame them instead of acknowledging the fault resides within you? maybe grow the fuck up.

SS shippers love to make Sakura act like Rin huh

Rin was best friends with Obito, she was kind and caring but didn’t hesitate to call Obito out for his tough act. Without being violent. She sacrificed herself to avoid putting others in danger. Her love for Kakashi didn’t make her behave in negative ways, or treat Obito any differently. She was supportive. She made her teammates stop their bickering, and later this memory(spirit?) gave them strength.

And she’s was a side character. Rin was a friend and a good teammate, Sakura wasn’t. She didn’t add up to the team, she was a nuisance to Sasuke and a bully to Naruto, and she acted like a selfish brat :P

sakura is a prime example of how getting a haircut doesn’t change who u are

okbyyyyyyeeeeeeee-deactivated20

😂😂😂😂😂

Wtf. Sakura Stans are so delusional if they think Sakura is sort of “feminist icon”. Sakura was always trying to seek validation from Sasuke and never once did anything for herself. She made remarks about Tsunade’s appearance during the war. She also has never even won a single fight alone in the manga. I don’t get why people would idolize her and try to push the narrative that Sakura would be a feminist in anyway. 🤣🤣🤣

yeah sasuke's ok haha

idkhowtopickausername

I really can’t get over the fact that thousands of grown adult Naruto fans who have spent a considerable amount of time watching and thinking about the show have literally seen seven-year-old Sasuke come home to find almost everyone he loved dead and the one remaining person forcing him to watch them being murdered and their takeaway from his character arc was somehow that he’s an “overdramatic, whiny little bitch”

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Hey, Kishimoto? I get that you want people to believe Itachi was the "good guy," friendship with Sakura and Naruto solved all of Sasuke's issues, and so on and so forth, but if you have to literally erase Sasuke's parents, his memories of and love for them, and their existence from the series as soon as he's "redeemed" and replace them with shipping moments, forced Naruto and Sasuke "friendship moments " and Itachi wank, could it be that maybe Itachi isn't really that much of a good guy and you should stop trying?

I don't have any hope of Kishimoto ever fixing the moral issues in the series. Unfortunately, this right-wing crap seems to really be what he believes, and the more he senses that his "morals" don't make sense, the harder he tries to polish the turd. I was an idiot to watch this series. If I had kids, I wouldn't ever let them watch Naruto. It's basically "Glory to Donald Trump: the Animated Series," IMO. It's no accident that so many people think Danzo and Tobirama were heroes. Honestly, I actually like Danzo better than Hiruzen; I don't mind evil behavior, but I hate smug, slimy hypocrisy. Tobirama is kind of good-looking, too. With that being said, yeah, this series seems like a messed-up series written by a messed-up person. I don't get into series and fandoms to mingle with Trumpsters and listen to their creepy nonsense.

“that power is not to be aimed at a friend”

That isn’t what Kakashi should be saying to Sasuke.

Who was the one who even aimed their strongest technique at the other first?

It was Naruto who aimed his strongest technique at Sasuke first.

How is Sasuke supposed to counter it without going for his strongest one himself?

What do you want him to do? Get hit?

And possibly die?

Never forget, golden boy Naruto was the one who aimed his signature technique at Sasuke first in their rivalry.

Can we stop reducing Rin’s character to just the teammate Kakashi killed or Obito’s crush. Like she honestly had so much more to her character. I’m sad that more people don’t talk about her since her death affected a lot of the plot.

Rin was the heart of Minato’s team. She was the glue that kept Kakashi and Obito together. She did her job and followed orders while the boys would constantly bicker. Without her the team would have fallen apart.

She also was a medical ninja during the Third Great Ninja War. Don’t forget that she was just a kid who had the responsibility of keeping Ninja alive during missions or battles. She also was able to withstand a genjutsu torture placed upon her for information.

On top of all this Rin was shown to be a sweet and compassionate Shinobi. A lot of her panels show her smiling or laughing. She also knew what would happen if she was to return to the Hidden Leaf so she took her life to protect innocent civilians.

Rin was a child soldier who unfortunately gave her life to protect her home. She lost a close teammate close before and never got to grow up and experience life without war.

Also, she had really great potential as a medical nin. She transplanted an eye, sharingan no less, in unhygienic and war conditions with severe time and resource constraints.

Why isn't this part of legends in medical studies.

And given her compassionate nature, ability to strike a balance between opposing forces, care for village, connection with the fourth Hokage, she would have been a great character in Konoha's medical system.

Would have been a better choice for Tsunadae's legacy if we want to go into complete parallels. And even if not, could have been really instrumental in developing and even revolutionalizing Konoha's medical system.

Yes. So many people don’t recognize how skilled she was and how much promise she showed as a Medical Nin. She worked under the harsh conditions of war and was able to keep her cool. Also having to leave one of her best friends behind because she could save him must have been traumatic. Rin was amazing ninja and deserves so much more recognition.

I don’t like how Suigetsu just ended back up with Orochimaru and gave up on his dream of collecting all 7 swords at the end of the series. I seriously doubt that Suigetsu would rather go back to the man that experimented on him and who he genuinely despised over completing his life long goal. He hated to feel like he was trapped in one place because of the time he spent in the tank and now he happily stays in the Sound Village and helps Orochimaru with experimentation. He honestly deserved a better and more satisfying ending than what he got.

#suigetsu #suigetsu hozuki #team taka #orochimaru #Naruto #naruto shippuden #anti naruto ending

I hate how glossed over it is that Jiraiya was just as much as a sexual predator as Orochimaru in regards to Naruto, and how Jiraiya is seen as a great god father when he didn’t do shit for Naruto!

Naruto has been abandoned, isolated, and hated his entire life. He will take any attention he can get – hence him vandalizing the Hokage mountain, being loud and disruptive, etc. because even bad attention it better than no attention at all. However, Naruto’s need to attention takes a turn for the worse because as a young child you notice what people like and what they don’t like and Naruto isn’t dumb, it’s not like he can’t tell that there are certain features that are more appealing.

And that’s exactly why Naruto makes his Sexy no Jutsu because he recognizes that people (particularly men) react well to it, whether it be for distraction purposes or them having a nose bleed and fawning over him. He isn’t changing his entire physique just not to be recognized but also to get positive attention in the form of predatory behavior. Naruto was a child when he made this technique because he wanted positive attention. Like i just can’t wrap my head around how fucked up this shit is.

It also gets worse when Jiraiya gets in the picture. Jiraiya has not only abandoned his godson for 12-13 years (Sasuke take notes) in order to write porn but constantly encourages naruto to entertain this behavior. For example, when naruto does his sexy no jutsu for the first time in front of Jiraiya, Jiraiya ogles him and tells him to stay in that form if he wants to be trained. Let’s just remember that Naruto is a 13 year old who has not only changed his body to have a stereotypically female physique, but also appears 100% naked, and with pig tails which has the connotation of child-like innocence. Like this shit is terrifying!

Naruto, A CHILD, should not feel like he has to become a “sexy” woman to obtain positive attention. He should also not be told by a man IN HIS 50s to stay in that form for his own sexual pleasure like what the genuine FUCK????? So not only does Jiraiya exploit Naruto’s need for attention but also reinforces that behavior and line of thinking that “hey i can get what I want once i am seen as sexually attractive” WHICH NARUTO LEARNS AS A CHILD

I would also like to add

This is a screenshot as I was watching. Completely unedited, and it isn’t even played out as a joke, the English dub is a little less but its still awful.

I love to rewatching the Neji vs Naruto fight because it shows how Neji was right. Neji talked about how he was destined to a preordained fate from birth and no one could change it. He still ended up dying protecting Hinata (a main house member) like he was told to do. It really shows the sad reality the Branch Family Members face.

#pro neji #neji hyuuga #Naruto #naruto shippuden #neji was right #hyuuga clan

So I'v got a question Sasukelover do you think Indra should of been the heir? I feel that even if his father gave him something(aint it lovely when daddy says winner takes all and makes it a competition for decades?) I think I would of objected. If it's on their deathbed I guess it would be them speaking feverishly as decades of teaching you to lead humanity, of loyalty and sacrifices(cause you don't get the highest sharingan by lazing), of your beliefs deemed lesser? Would you accept it?

I think so, yes. Ashura didn’t bring anything good to the table, anyway; furthermore, he was practically handed everything, like Naruto, on a silver platter. Basically, it’s Indra that inherited the Sage’s strong chakra and genes, not Ashura (in other words, Indra inherited Kaguya’s and Shinju’s powers; the Sharingan’s originally the eye inside the Shinju’s flower):

As Ashura didn’t gain anything, he gained power through cooperation; however, Kishimoto makes it fairly obvious that what this cooperation truly is. He basically left his Ninshu, Bijuu, and power to Ashura and Ashura only. He gave Indra nothing:

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I noticed the long tags from a post by an individual, and I wanted to add to this. The thing about legacies from father are fairly important in Asian philosophy, particularly the Japanese one in which the heir (who’s almost always the older son) inherits all that the father has to give. That legacy is received on the basis of the fact as to who would carry forth the clan’s future, and it’s always the one who’s a stalwart supporter of the clan’s ideology, not anyone else.

A lot’s been said on the topic of Ashura’s right way and Indra’s wrong way, but the manga itself has a strange way of showing this. Here’s my stance: Kishimoto has said a lot on the topic of Ashura being noble, good, and honest and what not; but the actual proof of this claim is missing altogether. (You’d be hard-pressed to find even a teeny-tiny bit that favors Ashura’s ideology in any manner, let alone enough to warrant a thesis on it.)

The first important factor that throws off the very notion of “nobility” is this: why did Ashura not share this power with his brother if he was the, you know, “sharing” type, when the said “sharing” is supposed to be the source of his power? A simple suggestion that Indra wanted to “rule the world” through oppression is just that, a speculative suggestion. It’s not fact. It’s not canon. There’s no proof to back up any of this. The burden of proof lies on the people putting forth the said statement, not anyone else. Why’s Indra more power hungry and Ashura, less, purely on the basis of power distribution? Why do you assume Ashura to deserve it on some arbitrary basis of “goodness” when one, Ashura didn’t share a thing with his brother, thereby granting the manufactured nature of his myth a lot more weight; two, he, along with his line (the purveyors of his legacy that drips with “goodness”) adopted Ninjutsu (which was invented by Indra) in lieu of continuing on with Ninshuu, when he and the Sage believed Ninjutsu to be the cause of strife; and three, he continued to quarrel, battle, and war with his brother to keep the legacy to himself. All of this portrays Ashura as a gluttonous tyrant that only had an “interpretation” of cooperation in mind, not cooperation itself. Cooperation is only cooperation when it’s rooted in fairness, equality, and justice, when, in reality, all three are missing from Ashura and his line’s conduct altogether.

What the manga actually demonstrates is that Ashura only wanted to disseminate power on his terms and that’s the definition of a despot, not a benign, just, and kind ruler. What little the manga has shown of him, shows a character that’s antithetical to the very idea of a ruler beloved by all; and that’s the problem with all Ashura reincarnations: Hashirama was content with killing his own kith and kin and friends over the power he wielded; and I’m not concocting this up; he stated so himself in very plain terms that all would meet death if they questioned his ideology, stood against it, or tried to change it. In his case, his legacy was the “Will of Fire”. He wanted absolute obedience to the power, a subservience in all conditions. Any dissidence was to be met with complete slaughter. Then the whole idea of “he gained power through love, cooperation, kindness” seems farcical, superficial, and manufactured, not a real code of conduct; because, in this light, if you don’t cooperate, you’d meet your end; so is there any option but to cooperate? (Naruto, too, wanted none of Sasuke’s “uppity” talk of justice against a fascist regime; he was willing to kill Sasuke if need be; however, he was nice enough to die alongside him, albeit he’s the first Ashura of his kind to suggest a thing as silly as this.)

This is the text-book definition of a despot; yet there’s so much dissonance in the narrative on this front that you can’t help but think that Kishimoto was struggling with his own ideology of nationalism by carrying out long-winded character studies of the oppressed. He’s … a very interesting man for sure. Odd, to say the least. My point is this: if you’re going to throw around words like oppression, greed, and obsessions and their deep association with Indra and his line of “madmen”, you’d have to provide some proof for the claims; because as it stands, it’s Ashura’s line that only gave one option (the other was a swift end to the opposer’s life), not Indra.

hidendumbassvillage

I assume that by an individual you’re talking about me so I’m going to answer not through tags this time.

Indra rulling through terror is a speculation but it’s not farfetched, he was scaring everyone around him, not on purpose at first but he did nothing to tone that down, even when Ashura told him. Pretty much everyone was to scared of him to tell him anything, that’s why saying he would have ruled by terror isn’t wrong, people were afraid of him plain and simple.

He might not have a been a power hungry individual but he still killed his disciples willing to follow him anywhere to get more powers. A thing he did right after being told he wasn’t going to be the heir and inherit Hagoromo’s power. After that he went to attack the village, which Ashura and the other defended (which is the only logical answer). That’s what started the war between the brother. Ashura not wanting Indra to destroy everything isn’t a bad guy move and defending himself with Ninjutsu was also logical. Ashura wanted his brother with him but Indra took the decision to be against him.

As for the Will of Fire, Hashirama was indeed willing to kill but it wasn’t to protect his position (he wasn’t planning on being the hokage) it was to protect the village, a village full of elders, civilians and children. Madara wanted to destroy that village, so yes Hashirama had to do something about it.

I don’t want to turn this into a long-winded discussion, so I’d keep this short: your first three paragraphs aren’t a part of canon. If they’re a part of fillers, then they don’t matter in the criticism of canonical content, which is why I said with absolutely certainty that there’s no proof that Indra was this or that in regard to his association with oppression.

Ashura’s adoption of Ninjutsu illuminates the reality of the “march of plaster saints” that he and his line began: if a system is solely created to cause violence, war, and strife, then its adoption is an embrace of violence, war, and strife; you can’t place Ashura on a higher moral position any longer, especially since Ninshuu was all but completely discarded by his line fairly early down the line; it was a myth that Naruto reintroduced through the Sage’s direct intervention.

No, Hashirama introduced a system that promotes anything but a flexible political system: it’s completely rigid in what it assimilates and what it excludes and eradicates. Tobirama created its entire infrastructure. Hashirama sanctioned it. It was copied by all other Shadow Villages when Hashirama was still alive. These are his words, not mine. He distributed the Bijuu amongst the villages and made conflicts deadlier; allowed for the village to practice in a long tradition of exploitation, exclusionary politics, and fascism; created a nexus of corruption in the shape of a village where power was held by but a few people and any and all dissidence was met with complete slaughter; designed a system that liberally allowed for the children to be exploited for wealthy patrons’ investment; etc. Konoha is nothing more than a state that masks an active war-machinery that runs on terrorist sleeper cells, murder in numbers, and self-engineered wars to make the system thrive; and Hashirama and his brother set the foundations for all this.

These are all the facets of a system Tobirama curated under Hashirama’s care. Again, these are his words, not mine; so the entire mess of the world’s Shadow Villages is on his shoulders. He had a chance to rectify the past, turn a new Leaf, and introduce a system that could truly define the theme he carries, though only in name; but he excluded Madara from the framework, refused to address the fascistic nature of the machinery his brother invented, and didn’t practice any sort of camaraderie his line supposedly personifies. The only thing his system serves is the system itself, not the people. The entire “show” that they create in regard to the Examinations is nothing more than a over-dramatic stage for the worst sort of “survival of the fittest” farce that’s rooted in monetary ventures (almost capitalistic): “here, here, here! Watch the children battle it out, murder opposition, and rise above them all! Name your price!” It’s elaborate, lurid, and wanton; and I’m surprised that you don’t see the irony that should stare back at Hashirama’s character and his sentimentality filled dialogues that are empty of any sort of kindness, but exhibits an overabundance of senseless cruelty.

Madara’s conflict wasn’t as simple as you’re alluding to. “He wanted to attack Konoha, which is why it prompted Hashirama to react with his own brand of violence” is a very superficial reading of this conflict. Why didn’t Hashirama restore democracy after Madara fled? Why didn’t he, as a leader, address Madara’s just misgivings? Why did he allow his brother to repeatedly persecute the Uchiha? All of these are aspects that Hashirama either answered or didn’t bother to answer. As for the rest of your statements on civilians, village, and ideology, then I’ve covered them in great detail in this post. If that doesn’t convince you, then this whole discussion is fruitless.

hidendumbassvillage

Not canon: It is canon

What happens in these fillers is canon, at least I consider them to be because it’s not a studio pierrot’s invention it’s filling a structure that already exists in the manga. There’s no reason to consider that it is not canon.

Also, no, I won’t be convinced you have my arguments and I stand by them. No one is right there since it’s a matter of interpretation

Which is why I stated that this discussion is fruitless; and you’re welcome to keep your interpretations, but what isn’t canon, isn’t canon. Nothing of what you suggested is present in the manga. Your belief that something is canon doesn’t make it canon; and that’s something that isn’t dependent on your interpretation. Because if you consider one filler canon, all others are, as well. You can’t pick and choose based on what suits your argumentation and what doesn’t.

Anyhow, this is my last reply on this. This got dragged on long enough.

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