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Why do people not talk about this gif more?

Okay, so there’s a gif you’ve seen me bust out repeatedly, but I feel the need to really point out some things about this.

One of the most recurring arguments to Destiel is “well *I* didn’t see it as romantic” but then we have this gif.

Let’s break down this gif, regarding 9x6.

This was after the Kennedy blowout (9x3) and would have been fresh-filmed at the point OF the blowout, for the record.

So while other points I’ve bounced around other statements this author has made on intention (such as later episodes, intentional Colette parallel), there’s another point to make.

What this gif literally says, is, “The note I got from THE SHOWRUNNER was that Castiel was feeling like A ROMANTIC INCLINATION and THAT IS WHAT WE PLAYED THERE.”

Okay? Okay. At this point, whether or not Goggles Of Heteronormativity Bro saw it at this moment, is pretty much irrelevant.

“The note I got from The Person Who Makes Reality On This Show was that my character was Feeling A Romantic Inclination and That Is What We Played There.”

That is what they played there.

Why is this even in fucking debate?

What the hell?

The actor of the character literally said that is exactly what they played, and the showrunner who dictates reality explicitly told him to do so. Whether or not someone filtered this out is irrelevant. When a large wash of the fanbase sees something, and then it comes out that The Actor Says They Played It That Way Because The Showrunner Told Them To Do So, where is… the… debate? This is literally what defines canon, guys, you realize that, right? I’m not talking about canon consumation, that’s it’s own can of worms I’ve covered elsewhere.

You have a right to your own interpretation and you have a right to Not See It in your own headspace but that does NOT in ANY standard remove it being there.

WTH seriously? At best you’re going out of your way to insult the entire writing/directing/acting/showrunning team by standing the point that it didn’t construe to you. And as someone who stands the hell out of this production team, fight me.

incarnateirony

Since this is starting to pass around, I’ll append a link to the video in question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN0AUuIAyRU

This interview became a HUGE topic of debate because of this admission and was covered by multiple outlets, including,

The accuracy of it being read like that: http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/supernatural/28193/supernatural-season-9-episode-6-review-heaven-cant-wait

And of course, with this open admission, that it would be queerbaiting if it leads nowhere: https://www.advocate.com/bisexuality/2014/07/17/fans-take-supernatural-task-queer-baiting

The second article conflates the Chad Kennedy blowout, which technically happened before this interview and, frankly, in regards to an episode previous to this entirely (which would have been freshly filmed, as noted initially).

This was no small secret. Antis currently try to bury this. Some fans got road rash and forever pledge it was queerbait from go. I’ve written multiple statements about the evolution of it from accidental phases into intentional journeys, though initial interpretation was entirely understandable. You may remember me mentioning the testing-waters of S9, the plot underlayering of S10 after this event, the chemistry awards before S11, the heartsong plot mechanics of S11, the transition to Dabb, including the books sent to him after the Kennedy blowout, which he still had when he moved into the showrunning office and somehow his new assistant tripped and fell on, then the increasingly less-subtext, more-subplot direction we are in today.

This gif and these blowouts were the start of an era.

incarnateirony

I have to head out the door here soon, but let us REMEMBER,

JEREMY CARVER was showrunner, and gave direction over the script written by BOBO BERENS for this end.

CARVER also PENNED-HIMSELF-THIS at the end of S10, which made it AS FAR AS TO FILMING, but then cut.

I’m NOT sure how it’s in ANY way ambiguous where the SHOW RUNNER’S HEAD WAS. Yes, he chose to cut it, but that was AFTER they got greenlight for a new season while slipping into chemistry awards and NEEDING the will they/won’t they STANDARD TV CHEMISTRY. I’m not sure how this is HARD. He TOLD THEM TO PLAY A JILTED LOVER, so that’s what they DID, and originally intended to go so far as THIS. By his OWN pen.

And that is NOT withstanding the CONSCIOUS parallel of Colette in that season, which started with Robbie

AND REACHED FULL CIRCLE WITH BOBO

Before LATER manifesting in the pen of OTHER authors, directed HERE by Wright,

And resonated as the premise to the ENTIRE SEASON that was going to tilt into THAT SECRET ADMIRER SCENE.

Did the LAST part make screen? No. We can headcanon why, but minding THAT SHOWRUNNER gave THIS DIRECTION in the season that started this 2 year plot arc,

Let’s NOT sit around acting like GEE, WHAT DID THE SHOWRUNNERS AND WRITERS WANT? WE JUST DON’T KNOW!

I received the challenge, “Why would they do the jilted lover thing if they weren’t going to make it clear?”

Okay look huggy bear.

If you intentionally go out of your way to CONTINUALLY remove authorial statements and re-interpret a thousand “well it could might MAYBE mean this”, and do this for YEARS, then no, it’s never going to be clear to you.

You have a right to view it how you WANT, but at the same time, it is literally in the realm of insanity to go around telling people who view it The-Way-The-Showrunners-Intentionally-Made-It-Look that they’re being weird or crazy for seeing it that way.

Because that’s how the authors and showrunners wanted it and they have NOT been unclear in any capacity.

And this piloted YEARS of our base story arc and foundation.

Holy shit, how long have people let others run away with the anti narrative that I have to ELI5 this?

obsessionisaperfume

Dude, we’ve been fighting this fight SINCE SEASON 8, TRUST ME. We’ve pulled out every single argument you make MULTIPLE TIMES. Pretty much EVERY DESTIEL META WRITER has written this same post at some point. The antis are just completely impervious to this logic. Like you said yourself, they dismiss any authorial intent that supports Destiel. They simply refuse to accept any argument that refutes their own view. But by all means, have at them again. Maybe you’ll get through where we couldn’t. I ain’t holding my breath, tho.

incarnateirony

“We’ve been having this conversation since-” the thing is, it’s largely within lanes. Hell, half of this information I dump, hard Destiel fans on twitter are like OMG WHERE DID YOU GET THIS INFORMATION? Much less the antis. I’m not talking the tinhat antis. I’m talking the people who swear up and down they love gay people but just - they don’t see it, etc etc, and - canon, and -

Canon has definitions. It’s time to stand for what defines canon - like, you know, the dictionary, and actual lit study field. Completion is not the only form of romance (though well deserved at this point.) There’s a thousand romances, even straight, that never reach their happy ending (I hope this isn’t one of them.)

The longer this conversation continues to cycle only in a back end of tumblr and the ilk, the longer people will re-echo what sounds like “common sense” in other lanes, without even KNOWING what is out there.

Hell. I got through to my girlfriend, who was aggressively anti under this rhetoric. Why? Cuz she didn’t crawl tumblr, she just casually surfed major fandom lanes from personal accounts.

That’s who people need to start kitting their discussions for.

mishasminions

TEAM FREE WILL

blazeeblake

Sam: *probably has a concussion*

Castiel: *eyes Donatello suspiciously*

Dean: *gets force choked by said prophet*

Castiel: *takes off The Coat™ and goes bad-cop nuclear* He was a danger to Humanity!

Me and Metatron: … Right…

tinkdw

OK fine but

WHERE IS AU CAS ?!

Seriously.

This //must// all be leading here?

All the Angels were awful.

One by one they betrayed humans.

All of them.

Really Bobby?

Not ONE Angel had doubts already and wanted to help humanity?

With or without Dean’s influence he was clearly an important military leader and full of doubt and had to be brainwashed continually to play his role before the apocalypse so clearly would be on the fence and having issues with how it ended up?

He had a hugely important role in our universe so in the AU war the same, so where is he?

Where is my expositional AU Cas who never met Dean?

Hmmmmmmm????

How long do I have to wait Andrew

hunenka

#celebratingdean | week 14: love

Dean may not have much luck when it comes to romantic love (partly due to his own choice not to put anyone in danger), but his heart is full of love. Love for his family, for his friends, for his car and his memory foam mattress. For rock music and action movies and anime, for musicians and gunslingers and pirates. For silly jokes, for nice clothes and opportunities to dress up. For good food and homey diners, for women who make him smile. For strangers who try to do what’s right and stand up for what they believe in. For children, for bunnies and koalas and countless other things.

Love for life, really.

Which is why my heart is so full of love for Dean.