every time i start to feel cringe for being too deep in the hyperfixation i remember the intense depression i have waded through and have to remind myself that enjoyment is fleeting (so grab it with both hands), and life is for loving (so hold that love close), and if anyone thinks iâm cringe they must not be having a very good time (and i hope they can find a good time soon).
If this is what we were supposed to take away from a character like Louis why would anyone love/like him? It begs the question what are Louisâ redeeming qualities? Why do these men continue to stay with him and obsess over him?
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Iâve been trying to wrap my head around this. Ultimately, I think this is all a response.
I still think Season 1 was fine. I think they knew the story they wanted to tell and approached it with open minds and excitement to adapt it. But then AMC gave them the green light to expand Louisâ arc across two seasons. Surprising but okay! And so, at least in my opinion, they did create S1 out of genuine creativity and love for the material.
But then it released and seeing how popular Loustat was, seeing people actually really like, some even love Jacobâs Louis, it made them approach S2 differently. Nobody behind the scenes was expecting for Loucob to be as loved as he is, whether people like him for himself or like him as an extension of Loustat. Even Jacob seemed to be surprised, having initially viewed his arc as a stepping stone before theyâd dive into Lestat later. His shock & confusion in interviews after S2 but before they started shooting S3 was clear. He was surprised to still be brought on for in-depth interviews at all.
I wouldnât call it lightning in a bottle. That would mean intent. Itâs more like they were drinking beers in the backyard just shooting the shit before lightning freaked everybody out by zapping past the lid. While of course they didnât plan to tell a lackluster story, I think the richness of Louisâ character was a complete accident. I think they all thought it could be perceived as good, not as fucking great.
And this is why Season 2 started us down the path of being controversial among the fanbase. And by âcontroversialâ I genuinely mean âdebatedâ, because people have very different opinions of it. The S2 reunion scene is heavily debated (primarily in Louis spaces) with half saying they hated it and the other half enjoying it. You have half the fanbase happy with Lestatâs apology during the trial, and half saying Santiago was right and that Lestat was too hard on himself.
Season 1 was clearer on how things were to be interpreted. While thereâs definitely argument for how fans/crowds/mobs take ideas and run with them regardless of intent, nothing in Season 1 garnered as many different interpretations as the content in Season 2. I think this is because this is when the team behind the show started, seemingly, disagreeing with each other.
This is how you get âwait what was Louisâ apology to Lestat in the finale about? Was that Louis coming to terms with himself, or was that the show engaging in victim blaming?â And everyone has different POVs on it. Itâs clear now, that the ambiguity behind the scene, behind quite a few scenes in S2, is because the writers themselves couldnât agree on what they wanted them to mean.
But with all the people theyâve let go for Season 3, and the new ones they hired on, itâs obvious which side remained on-staff and the kinds of likeminded people they got to take the othersâ place.
So now, in Season 3, there is no debate. There is no âhm I can see this interpretation but I can also see this interpretationâŠ.â Thereâs no ambiguity. This side of the team, the side that viewed Louisâ apology in S2 as Louis apologizing for âabusingâ Lestat, that seemed to view Louisâ charred, crumbling body apologizing to Armand as deserved punishment instead of horrific abuse, are the ones that have stayed and taken over the show.
And we KNOW debates started happening in the Season 2 writerâs room given the recent interview where Rolin briefly mentioned it, such as whether Louis asked Armand to erase his memories or if he never did. Certain things in Season 2 are controversial among fans, because the writers themselves started disagreeing on characterizations and important story beats.
So with this portion of the team let go vs the ones that were called back + those newly hired to replace the former, this is how we got Season 3. A season that is not as ambiguous as Season 2 where the writers were fist fighting when they put pen to paper. We are back to the single vision of Season 1.
Except this vision wasnât born from heartfelt creativity and love for the material. Itâs out of agreed upon resentment and shared biases. You even have the production designers of all crew members throwing in âI always liked Lestat moreâ unprompted when their job has NOTHING to do with character preference. Season 3 is the way it is, because these are the people who originally wanted Louisâ arc to only be compiled into a single season, and were irritated when fans kept wanting more. Whether they wanted more of Loucob or simply wanted more of Loustat as a duo.
And Rolinâs âwe wrote from the gutâ or âthe idâ and all of his sayings that they wrote instinctively lays it out that this whole mess is emotional retaliation. The writing behind Season 3 is a temper tantrum.
Not just as retaliation to Louis, but to everyone. Assadâs Armand shot through the ROOF and instantly became one of the most popular characters in S2. Iâd even argue is Thee second most popular after Lestat (Iâd say Daniel is the second most popular among casual viewers whereas among non-casual viewers, itâs Armand.) With DM shooting to the stars as the most popular ship among non-casual viewers. (And DM does beat out Loustat in terms of popularity when looking at the dedicated fanbase.)
But once again, this seems to have pissed That Sideâąïž of the creative team off after Season 2âs release. With none of them expecting Assadâs Armand to be as beloved or for DM to be as highly desired as they are. And you can see this frustration in all of Armand & DMâs âdevelopmentâ in Season 3.
Why Armand had less than 15 minutes total of screentime across episodes 1-6 before reducing into a maniacal villain in 3x07. Why DMâs eagerly anticipated relationship happened completely off screen, and both characters butchered so it would be intentionally unsatisfying once revealed. (And the excuse that theyâre a minor / secondary relationship so they were never going to be as focused on doesnât make sense when looking at Claudeleine. Who was still emotionally moving and well paced even in the midst of the Loumand-Dreamstat-Loustat triangle.)
The âmetaâ that they kept talking about in pre-S3 interviews isnât that the writers just kept the fanbase in mind while making it, itâs that the entirety of Season 3 is a response to the fans themselves. Itâs less about the actual characters that were written in Seasons 1 & 2, and comes off more as one long Twitter thread titled âMy IWTV Hot Takesâ
Because you also canât say any of this was for Lestat. Itâs very reminiscent to Season 2, when Lestat point blank says âI hurt Louis because I wanted to hurt himâ and a portion of the fanbase shoved a pacifier in his mouth to shut him up and for years afterwards kept saying âNo he didnât mean it.â Even Samstat was reduced from a character into a figurehead.
Loucob became a punching bag, Claudlainey and Assadâs Armand were weaponized against Loucob while simultaneously reduced to punching bags too, and the writers put Samstat on the same idealized pedestal that the characters Magnus, Marius, and Gabriella are supposed to be condemned for, treating him as a concept rather than a person.
Sorry, my response turned into something else lol. But âWhy would the writers write Louis this way? Why would anyone like him?â My personal opinion after really trying to understand what on earth has happened, is that no, they likely were not writing like this since S1. The season just doesnât make sense from that POV. Everything weâre seeing right now is reactionary.
Season 1 was a story created out of actual interest, Season 2 was when the boat started to rock, and Season 3 isnât a season at all. Itâs a cokerant thread on Twitter. Itâs a callout post on Tumblr. A 72-part TikTok story. Itâs little more than the writersâ tantrum because fans werenât playing with their dolls the way they wanted us to.
anyone else notice how when "digital assistants" were just supposed to do specific tasks when you asked for them we had Alexa and Siri and Cortana, but now that they're being marketed as smart enough to take actions and make decisions on their own they've got names like Claude and Devin
ooh I've got to say something a little bit controversial here but I feel like because we are all here acknowledging female characters face a lot of fandom misogyny, a lot of people think they're exempt from being misogynistic themselves. I've noticed it quite a few times, this attitude of "usually I'd say this character faced misogyny from the fans BUT in this case it's definitely valid (because i think it too so it can't be misogynistic)".
Spoken as someone who's discovered some of that attitude in myself as I've rewatched certain media recently (Sakura Haruno i have no idea why i ever thought you were the worst character in the series, i'm so sorry asdfghj)
that's a good point and definitely something we should all be more mindful of. we're all all capable of perpetuating misogyny, and i've definitely found myself re-evaluating my opinions on some characters based on some of the propaganda for this tournament. we shouldn't just assume that just because we don't consider ourselves misogynists, we are incapable of buying into misogynistic narratives uncritically.
Thereâs a quality that certain books/movies/TV shows have that leads me to say, âYeah, I can see people making fanfiction of that.â Itâs something to do, I think, with how tight the story is, how much feels open-ended or like it could be elaborated on.
Something like Breaking Bad, for example, has low squiggability (thatâs what Iâm calling this quality). Itâs tightly written, the characters are consistent, thereâs little left to interpolate or extrapolate. Obviously, people DO write fanfic of Breaking Bad, but it still has a low squiggability score. Whereas something like Supernatural has a high squiggability score. Fantasy and science fiction often have high squiggability scores. This suggests squiggability could also be related to worldbuilding and potential for people to borrow a premise or setting.
And sometimes youâll read or watch something and youâll say, âAh, low squiggability,â and then youâll open tumblr and find out that everyone else seem to think its squiggability was very high indeed.
Then there will be shows that you'll be like the squiggability is off the charts on this one imma go look at what everyones cooking' and find crickets. Its like the dichotomomy of squiggability you know.
It is really intensely frustrating to see the softest, kindest, fairest criticisms by POC on here be characterised as attacks or aggression. If you care more about someone being called racist than actual racism, you are being racist.
PRETTY LITTLE LIARSÂ //Â 1.03Â "To Kill a Mocking Girl"
Ready? Wait. I gotta prepare. If this comes out decent, I'm gonna cut mine out, and replace the one on my driver's license. Yeah, they're always scary. No. I skipped scary, and went straight to Snooki.