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the way shiv is the only character who greg ever directly, undeniably purposefully fucks over, whereas every other situation is simply greg looking out for himself and certain others wind up as collateral damage, ntm he expresses guilt each time but with shiv he very clearly enjoys it......... like that's for tom. that is 100% for tom and greg wanting to remove shiv from tom. undeniable.
Yeah, Greg got the full tomshiv failmarriage saga between seasons 3 and 4. Tomgreg's strategized "frying her ass up" many times, lol.
Anyone with eyes can see the absolute adoration on Tomâs face during the sticker scene. That little pause after he says to Greg, âYou are a fucking piece of shit...â -- that look in Tomâs eyes finished the sentence: â...and I love you!â This is Successionâs answer to Mattmacâs famous âYou have bewitched me body and soul, and I love, I love, I love youâ
sooo according to the cycle ceo tom is gonna have an affair with greg, divorce shiv when the kid is like 10, then get a new wife and assistant to have an affair with ?? then theyâre all gonna show up at his funeral and sit in the front row and hold hands
Looking at the âI got youâ (aka the last Tomgreg scene Matthew and Nick filmed) again, and I noticed two things: first, Nickâs eyes are very red, as if heâd been crying; both he and Matthew appear to be on the verge throughout the scene. Second, on Tomâs second âI got youâ after putting the sticker on Gregâs forehead, Matthew seems to allow himself to briefly step out of character(his accent slips ever so slightly), so that itâs not just Tom saying it to Greg, but Matthew saying it to Nick. And now Iâm getting a lump in my throat.Â
SUCCESSION - 4.10 - With Open Eyes
The way Tom wasnât sure he wanted to keep Shiv, but he was absolutely sure he wanted to keep Greg.
So, Tomshiv are Nick and Amy Dunne, and Shiv/Tom/Greg will be âthree in a marriageâ for all eternity.Â
The final TomGreg scene is Tom reconfirming theyâre still âpalsâ and heâll continue to look after Greg, even though heâs a disloyal piece of shit.Â
Nobody talk to me.Â
The fact that the wasabi scene doubled as a whole ass La Croix commercial! đ đ đ đ
We still havenât gotten that Shiv/Tom/Greg outdoor scene they filmed outside Brooks Brothers.Â
Shiv in s4 e4:Â âMy dadâs dead, my momâs a fucking mess, and my husbandâs...â
Thatâs okay, sleep is overrated anyway.
So...Tom and Greg arrive at the wake together. And it seems Tom didnât spend the night with Shiv, so where DID he spend the night -- and with WHOM?
Guys, I think I may have cracked the code to the mysterious "Tomgreg Vibe Switch" of 04x01. The question is not IF tomgreg will go canon this season, but rather HOW canon will they continue to get?
Yes, I believe they are canon -- kinda. And furthermore,, it will never be addressed, ever. But it did happen. That's part of the beauty of Succession; it leaves it to the viewers to fill in the blanks to questions like "Why is it dangerous to bring up Logan's sister, Rose?" "What happened to Connor's mother?" and "What the hell's the deal with Tom and Greg?" It also makes the now-infamous "Disgusting Brothers" thing a million times funnier in this context than it already is.
Here's how I see it; buckle up, fuckleheads.
Tom & Greg are out on the town grabbing a drink together, when they spot a young woman across the bar and really like her vibe. Greg's role is indeed that of Tom's wingman (Shiv got it right), but it turns out the woman is very interested in a threesome. So they all go back to Tom's apartment where, for lack of a better term, the woman becomes the willing middle of a tomgreg panini (sorry), and the boys are NOT "taking turns", if you get my drift (Shiv got it slightly wrong). Now, the physics would dictate that Tom and Greg be very, very, close -- face-to-face -- during the "act". And at some point, they break the cardinal "2 guys, 1 girl" rule of absolutely, positively NO EYE CONTACT between the guys. Tomgreg reach "fruition" as they're looking right into each other's soul (and probably touching each other).
 Afterwards, touch-starved Greg is bouncing off the walls, and who can blame him? It's the best sex he's had in like, ever. And naturally he's feeling very close towards his friend Tom and wants to continue to form this new intimate bond with him (it's not about the girl; as we've seen, it's never about the girl with Greg). I mean, technically they didn't rub their dicks together, but they kinda ... did. Tom's at first happy to engage Greg in happy talk about their joint "score", but soon after has an existential crisis over whether of not this means he and Greg actually fucked. Later, Greg is scrolling on a Deuxmoi-type site and sees the headline "The Disgusting Brothers", followed by a blind item that is obviously about them and their little three-way. This makes Greg even more stoked -- he's a star! This blind item is also how Shiv got wind of The Disgusting Brothers.
 Fast-forward to Logan's party, which, judging from Greg's still not having touched the ground, is very soon after Tom & Greg's eventful night out. He brings a date whom he barely knows (that "I may have fallen for her" is b.s. that Kerry sees right through), and after a little (unsatisfying?) tryst, he's back practically glued to Tom's side. Greg is very comfortable talking about sex with Tom, not to mention repeatedly invading his personal space; every moment is an opportunity to be in some sort of physical contact with Tom. Greg's very giddy and clingy, as if it was Tom he had sex with (which, again, he practically did). Tom's still emotionally squicked by it, and Greg creepily whispering "The Disgusting Brothers!(TM)" in his ear only makes it worse. Tom needs to shut Greg up, bring him down to earth, and get him to behave in public. So he goes into emergency bully/dom mode, first disarming Greg with the CCTV lie (which Greg somehow believes -- or does he?), then forcing his underling to give him all the sordid details of his indiscretion with his rando date, before finally badgering him into confessing it all to Logan. Â
(I also believe theyâre playing a kinky game, where Tom gets off on forcing Greg to tell him about every sexual moment he has, and Greg gets off on telling him -- all in public)
Anyway, that's what I think happened. And I will âwatch the show incorrectlyâ with this plausible bit of tomgreg history as a backstory.
Guys, I do believe tomgreg will go canon this season!Â
Iâm getting major D/s vibes from tomgreg in this episode! Like one of their rules is Greg must immediately tell Tom every sordid detail of any and all sexual exploits he may have.Â