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0243. The rain clouds it carries let it fire thunderbolts at will. They say that it descended with lightning.
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I wanna use Raikou on a vgc team... I like the idea of using it as a dual screens user. I just don't wanna use raging bolt because it's so ugly to me. 🥲 why did they do that to my beautiful boy
Working on a vgc Sun Team centered around guts!Flareon. Am kind of unsure of pokemon choice (with the exception of Flareon and Ninetails). I'm inexperienced with team building so any tips welcome! In particular, I'm unsure if Indeedee is the best support available for flareon? I know amoongus is probably optimal but I don't want to use it...
Sorry for responding kind of late for this, but I have thoughts! One hell of a yap session under cut if you'd still like team building advice (I'm not joking this is 3 pages long).
General advice first: I’m guessing you’re either coming from smogon or you’re looking at the smogon strategy dex for your sets (assuming purely based on this team). If this is the case, I’d like to point your attention to websites like Labmaus and pikalytics instead. Smogon is a completely different game compared to VGC and well a lot of these sets would work fine there, they really don’t apply in the same way here. Example: in smogon heavy duty boots is a necessity on a lot of mons because stealth rock is the best move in 6v6 singles. However, in VGC, entry hazards are pretty much never used outside of the very uncommon dondozo build, so heavy duty boots is pretty much useless in VGC. In the case of the Meowscarada, the opportunity cost of using boots over focus sash or covert cloak or so ginormous that an experienced player wouldn't even consider it.
For tools: Labmaus especially is great, since it gives you information about what pokemon are good, how people competing in actual tournaments typically use them, and also popular team compositions that could make for really good reference when building your own teams. Theres no shame in using popular pokemon, copying an archetype, a team, a strategy, etc: especially when you’re just getting started in VGC. Everyone starts somewhere and working off of and improving/changing/countering what other people make is one of the fundamentals of VGC. VGC is just one big game of telephone where you improve on what the last guy did and innovate around what others are doing. I think just sourcing your sets from labmaus or tournaments instead would fix a ton of the problems you have here. Again, no shame at all in copying pokemon sets or basing your teams from tournaments! It’s actually strongly encouraged especially for people who are new to team building.
If you want a better understanding of teambuilding and why people in tournaments make the choices they do, then I would look at MoxieBoosted. He makes good videos about VGC in general, but also makes meta game discussions and debriefs of recent tournaments, and used to do these videos called Mofongo Monday where he makes a team around an off meta pokemon from scratch and walks through his building process (the ones where he does the showdown builds are from Reg H, but a lot of the skills and building strategies still apply.) I've been watching him for about a year atp and his stuff has improved my understanding of the metagame and teambuilding a lot, so I recommend checking him out. Additionally, arguably best VGC player ever Wolfe Glick makes great videos going through his tournament runs and teambuilding process. I'd check him out too.
Anyways, general yapping over. I do actually have things to say about this team. I am VERY critical here, please don't take that as me being mean ^^". I say all this well gently holding your hands and speaking to you very kindly.
Good things about this team:
For an off meta mon, Flareon is a great choice. You can play it like a role compression of Ursaluna and Fire Ogrepon on a sunroom team. An important thing to mention though is that flame orb doesnt work on fire types since they're immune to burn, so use a toxic orb instead. You'll loose more damage, but you don't have to burn your tera to get the guts boost so I think its worth it. Also, remember that in VGC, protect is the most valuable move in the game since its one of the best ways you can reposition your pieces (here's a clip explaining that if you would like). Generally the hope is that as many pokemon on your team have protect as possible unless its a liability; ie you're using a choice item/AV where you can't run protect, or its super bulky and theres better options (like on incinaroar). Trailblaze pressures you to stay in in unideal situations since it will take awhile to get those speed boosts up, so I would recommend swapping it out for protect. Protect is also great becuase it prevents your opponet from statusing you before toxic orb can activate.
Walking Wake is a great choice. It gives you more leverage into opposing rain teams and can soak up hits from kyogre, which flareon really struggles with. Thing to note is that protosynthesis iirc will pick a stat at random if two stats are tied for the highest, so you want to dock a point off SpAtk/Speed to make sure you always activate proto the way you want to and its not a coin flip between the two stats. Also, no need to run two dragon type moves. Pick pulse or draco depending on if you like gambling or not and then replace the other with protect.
Indeedee in theory is good here. I don't agree with the set, but its good. You need the toxic orb for flareon, and even if you didn't, Toxic is not valuable enough to run sychronize and toxic orb over the normal set imo, especially since your goal with indeedee is to have it on the field as long as possible, and poison reduces your longevity. Since your team isn’t running any priority moves, doesn’t have speed control, and doesn’t have any protection against fake out, you would benefit a lot from a regular shemgular indeedee (Psychic Surge, Tera Fairy. follow me, trickroom, psychic/D gleam, protect. Lots of Hp and PhsDef investment, some SpAtk). Flareon, Wake, and Indeedee form a great defensive core, so 1000% keep those guys here.
Stuff I would change:
In regulation G, you are allowed to use 1 restricted pokemon per team. Consider it a requirement in any VGC format that you use as many restricted pokemon as legally allowed on your team, and you bring as many restricted pokemon to your games as you have on your team. It is very difficult to win when you are playing against pokemon that are significantly more powerful than yours, so you absolutely have to make sure you are running one of these guys. The best ones are Calyrex Ice, Calyrex Shadow, and Miraidon; but other viable picks off the top of my head are Zamazenta, Lunala, Koraidon, Kyogre, and Groudon. Since this is a sun team, i recommend using koraidon or groudon, depends on whether consistency, or power/making use of trickroom is more important to you.
I dont see why would chose Nine Tails as your sun setter here. To be blunt, it kinda sucks. You want your weather setter to either be really tanky so it can stay alive long enough to consistently keep the weather up, or be really pivoty so it can reliably switch in and out and reset weather. Ninetails does both of these really poorly, plus doubles up on a lot of the same weaknesses as Flareon since they share a typing. As previously stated, I would drop it for Groudon or Koraidon. If you are really in love with the fast support mon with annoying tech moves, use Scream Tail.
I'm not too sure what the thought process behind Dachsbun and Meowscarada is. Meow is great in lower power formats like reg H, but really struggle when restricteds are allowed, like right now. Dachsbun just kind of sucks you aren't getting anything done with base 80 attack (for reference: a useable attack stat 110 if you have access to really powerful moves like Close combat or Hydro Pump, but 120-130 is considered ideal/great. Defenses are usable at 70s, but good is 80s across the board or 100+ HP with 70 defenses or vice versa). Drop both of them. Don't worry about covering damage for every type, just make sure each of your pokemon get their STAB moves. The only types you have to worry about getting super effective damage on are the ones that more than two of your pokemon are weak to.
Things I would add:
A pokemon with Intimidate. Flareon is not the most physically bulky pokemon, so being able to reduce that incoming physical damage will be great. The obvious answer to this is incinaroar. You can run a more offensive set and nuke stuff with flare blitz in sun. If you are REALLY against incinaroar, you can forgo to damage reduction and use Chi-Yu. Hits like a truck in the sun and can support Wake by increasing its damage with its ability.
A grass type. Idk exactly how familiar you are with team building, but if you don't know, there are these things called defensive cores where different types have a particularly easy time switching in on each other. Some examples are Grass, Water, Fire (Rillaboom, Urshifu, Incinaroar); Fairy, Steel and Dragon (Fluttermane, Kingambit, Raging Bolt); and Fighting, Dark, and Psychic (Urshifu, Chien-Pao, and Calyrex). Not all of them involve three types or three pokemon, but those are the common ones. I recommend that every team has at least one of these. By adding a grass type, you'd be making a Fire Water Grass core with Flareon, Walking Wake, and that Grass type. If you're willing to swap out Indeedee for Farigiraf, Rillaboom would make a great option since it gives you fake out support and more pivot power. Other options are Amoongus, which is great at abusing trickroom and is a wonderful support pokemon, ogrepon is also pretty solid (but between indeedee and flareon I dont think you'd really want one), and sinistacha is also a pretty good secondary trickroom setter if you want to lean into that.
If it was me building this team, this is how I would do it.
if you're wondering what I did with the EVs (ie "why do you have 156 attack on flareon?") its called "hitting the bump". On the stat that you boost with your nature, becuase of how the math works out, there are a few times that when you invest 8 EVs, you get 2 stat points instead of 1. A lot of the time if you want to make a nice EV spread quickly, you can hit the bump somwhere, invest 252 into the most important/the stat that needs it the most, and then invest the remaining points wherever.
Again, some great tools for teambuilding:
https://labmaus.net/home Fantastic resource for team compositions, pokemon sets, tournament news, etc. The layout can be a bit confusing to new comers so here's a video that explains the website and all its resources.
https://www.pikalytics.com/ very similar to LabMaus, but instead of getting its data from tournaments, it gets it data from Showdown. If labmaus doesn't have exactly the information you're looking for (info on off meta pokemon, EV spreads, etc) then this is your place.
https://marriland.com/tools/team-builder This is what I use to check the defensive synergy for my pokemon. Avoid having a team with more then half of the pokemon being weak to one type, and avoid having more then 1 (or if you're good at battling, 2) pokemon being weak to one type if you don't have any counters to it.
https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ when making more complicated EV spreads, this damage calculator is your best friend. Its also just good to know specific damage calcs for common situations before you start playing with a team (ie "does my Calyrex survive a Knock Off from incin after tera ghost?", "does my Rillaboom eat an Electro Dift with over 50% HP?" etc etc)
Sorry that this was so long, I hope all that was helpful in some way ^^"... heres the pokepaste if you want to use the version I built. If you have any questions or you think I would be helpful with any further inquiries, you're free to reach out! Again, hope this wasn't too much of a headache to read ^^".
Thank you so much for this feedback I'm definitely going to look into everything here! The one thing I would like to say is that burn orb does work because of Tera typing! I've tested it in game. :3