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suigetsu supremacy 😤✊✨❤️🌊
Gloop gloop you can’t kill this bad boy or his fans’ love for him hell yeah.
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The Databook is Wrong: Why Hydrification is a Kekkei Genkai
So, the databooks, for some reason, slapped the little symbol on Suigetsu’s jutsu to say it’s hiden -- a secret technique, like that of the Yamanaka etc.
However, this makes little to no sense logically, thematically, and in conjunction with other details from the databooks.
Point the first: this is not the only mistake in that databook. It’s not even the only mistake in his entry. The databooks give his height as 177.4cm, but he is never on page depicted as being significantly taller than Sasuke, who databooks give a height of 168cm. The animation reference, by contrast, gives Suigetsu a height of 170.4cm, which is much more reasonable when it comes to how he’s drawn -- and honestly, I think someone just misread that reference, and it was perpetuated from there.
Point the second: he’s not the only one who doesn’t get the kekkei genkai tag -- Jūgo gets senjutsu, but not kekkei genkai, even though it is his clan’s kekkei genkai that gives him access to senjutsu chakra. Which is why the curse marks are based upon his bodily fluids. And Deidara’s clay bombs are referred to as Hiden, even though his explosions are fuelled by Bakuton, a kekkei genkai.
Point the third: this contradicts his description from the text of databook three. There, the text describes him as “Born with his family’s peculiar ability”, which is the kind of phrasing you’d expect from kekkei genkai, surely.
Point the fourth: Gengetsu, the Second Mizukage, is given the kekkei genkai tag on his entry, but the only abilities we see him actually use are variants on existing jutsu: summoning, the water clone modified with oil, and hydrification modified, likewise, with oil. If he had a kekkei genkai, we ought to have seen it... unless we did, and it’s the same ability as the rest of his clan. What’s more likely? That a clan full of hiden users would somehow produce a kekkei genkai user who has their abilities, but with a slight twist? Or that a clan full of kekkei genkai users would produce one who was able to take their jutsu even further? We do see the latter with the Uchiha, in a way -- they can awaken the Sharingan, but the Mangekyo etc take the Sharingan even further and give it more abilities.
Point the fifth: This wouldn’t be the only kekkei genkai that doesn’t involve two chakra natures in the conventional sense: Kimimaro has one, too. Like Suigetsu, he can modify his body in unusual ways.
Point the sixth: Suigetsu isn’t showed using hand signs for any of it, at any point in Naruto. (The only hand signs you will ever find associated with his jutsu come from a piece of Boruto filler, and he is shown using his various techniques without a single sign at multiple points throughout that same filler.) Generally, we associate some kind of seal with hiden techniques -- the Nara, for example, and the Yamanaka, have their own distinctive hand signs that are shown when they use their techniques. You know who don’t have to use hand seals? A selection of kekkei genkai users throughout the series.
Point the seventh: Suigetsu’s abilities work even when he’s taken by surprise. They work even when he’s unconscious. At that point he turns into a watery blob. We see as far back as chapter 87 what happens when you knock out a hiden user who’s using a technique: Choji, expanded into a ball, is stunned by soundwaves, and reverts back to his normal size and shape. For Suigetsu’s abilities to persist when he’s unconscious, they must be far more intrinsic to his body than Choji’s are.
Point the eighth: Suigetsu is captured and experimented on to gain the secrets of his jutsu: if it was hiden, would that really be necessary? Or, indeed, possible? If it was merely something he’d been taught, then perhaps one might use genjutsu to compel him to talk, or some kind of torture... but it is, explicitly, experimentation, and Kabuto integrates Suigetsu’s abilities into his body the same way he does the others from Team Taka.
Which brings us to tail point the ninth: The same chapter in which we learn the aforementioned point, Kabuto is linking for Sasuke the attributes he has taken from the bodies of Sasuke’s erstwhile companions: things they were born with. Thematically, they are linked together -- and linked to Sasuke, too, who chose this team based upon their unusual abilities. Sasuke’s team, including Sasuke himself, are a group of strong shinobi linked together by the meeting-place of Otogakure, with all its horrors... and the powers, inherent in their bodies, that caused them to be brought there.
Sasuke’s team is a kekkei genkai team, and no collection of frequently-flawed data most likely compiled by Kishimoto’s assistants can convince me otherwise. The databooks are, at times, useful, but they should never be considered to be faultless.
In conclusion, in light of the logical and thematic reasons for Suigetsu’s technique to be a kekkei genkai, and taking into account the number of times the databooks have contradicted each other and the manga itself, I reject the idea of this jutsu being hiden, and I hope you will too.
ALSO, while we’re on the subject of Kiri, how the hell did the Hozuki go from having one of their clan members be Mizukage to Suigetsu saying he and Mangetsu were both from the lowest caste?? Wtf did Gengetsu even do? That’s a hell of a drop in standing for, like, three generations at most. From the clan that produced the Nidaime to social pariahs in 60 years? How.
Just wondering if you’ve got a source for Suigetsu saying that? The topic of Kiri having an outright caste system was, as far as I recall, introduced in one of the novels that Suigetsu was not in, and I don’t recall ever seeing him make any statements about the social position of his family in canon?
that sports illustrated reference pfft 😆
Haha, I'm glad you enjoyed it, anon. I couldn't resist the pun, honestly.
One picture of Suigetsu’s hand from the manga, edited for a few more fun scroll choices. You’re welcome?
bleeeeEEEEEEEEEEEeeess this blog. i'm so glad when there's a new meta post it nearly brings me to tears
Haha, thank you, nonnie. It’s fun to be the one providing Suigetsu meta, and I always hope people will enjoy it when I do.
Guarding Sasuke while he rests
Little Suigetsu details discovered while rereading the manga: the point where Sasuke is injured after the fight with Deidara, and has to rest at an inn.
Now, we see Suigetsu lean against walls and the like at other times, he plainly finds that a comfortable way to relax, but while Sasuke’s resting, this is where we find him:
Sitting right beside Sasuke, so close that even with his legs drawn up a little he’s nearly touching the bedding.
One of the following pages people generally seem to remember for the slapstick, since it’s the one where Karin kicks the door down and hits Suigetsu, but it does contain a panel suggesting why Suigetsu’s sticking that close:
He’s guarding Sasuke, and what he’s been guarding him from includes the risk that Jūgo will have another outburst while Sasuke’s not in a fit state to subdue his berserk side.
Even this early in things, Hebi/Taka are a team, and that means watching over their team leader when he needs it, and checking up on each others’ locations where necessary.
Their full teamwork isn’t seen until later, but we get a glimpse of it here, perhaps.
Have you ever thought about doing a Suikushi fic? With Suigetsu becoming Kushina's lover after Minato is long dead.
No, I really haven’t. I’m afraid I ship Minato and Kushina firmly enough that alternate ships for either don’t tend to pop up on my radar, sorry. If you want that kind of content, though, you’re welcome to try your hand at writing it.
I'd love to see you write another fic where Hinata is happily married to Naruto with their two kids, she loves Naruto dearly, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have little secrets. Suigetsu probably knows her body better than her own husband does. :P
Well, I’m glad you’ve enjoyed my work, but I’m afraid I have a lot of other fics planned and none of them are in that particular genre, sorry.
Why do you think it is that Naruto doesn't seem to like Suigetsu that much? It's strange because Naruto normally gets on with everyone but there's a strange exception where Suigetsu (or maybe Taka as a whole) is concerned.
To be honest, I think he blames them for what Sasuke did while with them, because he doesn’t want to blame Sasuke so they’re easier to displace those feelings onto.
I wonder if Sasuke and Suigetsu could pull off the Tate-Eboshi boosted with Susanoo and if it'd be useful... σ(゚・゚*)
||That would be an interesting trick -- Sasuke can wrap Susano'o around a bijū, so it's entirely possible that he could wrap it around the Tate-Eboshi, though it would make for a pretty funny-looking Susano'o.
Whether it would be useful, though... Sasuke would have to refrain from using any lightning attacks, and the Susano'o seems more rigid than the Tate-Eboshi.
Perhaps it would create something with a solid outer shell, and then an inside that can take a great deal of force even if the Susano'o is breached, without actually being damaged by impact vibrations and so on.
Thanks for this, anon, now I’m picturing a giant fanged fish monster wearing glowing pseudo samurai armour, haha.
Suigetsu and Calling Your Attacks
There is only one point in Shippuden/the Naruto manga where Suigetsu actually gives the name of one of his attacks. (Disclaimer: names will vary depending on which translation is being used.)
This is actually pretty significant, because as we all know, just about everybody else here regularly names their moves. Sometimes aloud, sometimes in a way that suggests thought, but they name them, whether they are dōjutsu activation, genjutsu, taijutsu or ninjutsu.
The attacks get named on-page.
But Suigetsu’s greatest attack, his Tate-Eboshi, strong enough to push back a transformed Killer B? He doesn’t even name that, on screen or on page.
We have to learn its name from the databooks.
Even his Water Gun technique, with which he threatens Sasuke? He doesn’t name it, and we have to wait until Gengetsu comes along to tell anyone about it.
In a series in which practically everybody does this one specific thing, a character spending most of his time completely averting it is notable.
We’re left to wonder why.
Things we know about Suigetsu: he was in training to be a Swordsman. The Swordsmen are noted for their proficiency in Silent Killing techniques, taking out an opponent who never sees it coming. It would be reasonable for someone using this technique to do so without speaking, to avoid cluing in the victim.
And yet even his fellow Swordsmen name their attacks -- out loud, or in their thoughts.
Suigetsu does not.
The other thing we know about Suigetsu: he was a prisoner of Orochimaru, who experimented upon him -- and Kabuto even managed to integrate those powers into his new form.
Notably, Kabuto does not use the name for this technique that the databooks primarily use -- he uses a descriptive alternate name for it.
This suggests he didn’t know its actual name, perhaps -- which ties into the part where Suigetsu doesn’t generally name his techniques.
Suigetsu has had his abilities taken, and was unable to prevent this... but not his names for them. (Which he would have known, himself, since we have definite confirmation he was training beside his brother to be a Swordsman, so he spent a chunk of his life in which there was at least one other Hōzuki alive that we know of for sure.)
He names a technique just once in that whole series, when he’s racing to get to Sasuke and the whole team is using everything they’ve got to get there. He also only names it after the water has already left his fingers, in a moment of triumph where he knows he’ll hit an enemy that’s been seriously challenging a lot of other ninja.
It’s both a high point and a point of great need.
In conclusion, it seems likely to me that the combination of Swordsman training and the massive trauma of having his jutsu taken while a prisoner is the reason we only hear Suigetsu name a jutsu once in the series, because in spite of his talkative nature, there are some things he keeps as secret as he can.
Suigetsu, looking at Kabuto: THAT'S A DICK.
Jugo: Actually I think that's a snake on his belly...
Suigetsu: THAT'S A DICK WITH A SNAKE ON HIS BELLY.
What's more, bullies are normally insecure themselves. They're likely just projecting their own garbage traits onto you.
Ohhh yes, I’d say so, given this twit accused me of self-inserting into a particular character, and occasionally complained that it would have been fine if I’d had Suigetsu get caught and punished. That just tells me they want smutty stuff, but with all the wrongdoers punished at the end so they can tell themself it’s actually a cautionary tale -- like some kind of Hays Code bullshit.
JFC WTF I am so sorry about that! I sympathize because I once got a sms like such on my phone (idk who the hell had my number and idc) and it is shocking. But holy hell, how pathetic does someone have to be, unable to let go like that? I'm even laughing tbh what a fucking tantrum.
Haha thanks it really is pretty pathetic, somebody going ‘I read a fic I disliked and now I have to make the author sorry for my own inability to stop reading.’
It’s like...