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Whoooo, I havenât been on in a while! Sorry about that, everyone. I kind of lost my Rumpelstiltskin gifs, but Iâm here nonetheless!
-Mod R
These cops were in a completely different and unrelated city(and had had nothing to do with Make Brown or Fergusion), making this one hell of a false-equivalency fallacy.Â
This is a Strawman Fallacy. And an obvious one at that.
~Morgana
mental illnesses are not adjectives
mental illnesses are not adjectives
mental illnesses are not adjectives
whatâs not an adjective?
mental illnesses
mental
illnesses
are
not
adjectives
***MENTAL ILLNESSES ARE NOT ADJECTIVES***
~MENTAL~
~ILLNESSES~
~ARE~
~NOT~
~ADJECTIVES~
Argument by repetition. Also known as argumentum ad nauseam.
~Morgana
Another strawman argument.
~Morgana
Hello! Iâm Morgana! Iâd find a gif of them bowing or waving but Iâm too lazy to go on to google!
Happy to be here!
We're happy to have you here, dearie!
-- Mod R
some boy: stop generalizing all men some boy: as a guy, i have to say, this is just how guys are, this is what the bros are like, im just saying whats on every guys mind, if your man says differently he's lying, real men don't ____, im a piece of shit
This is an example of the strawman fallacy.
~Morgana
Hello! I'm Morgana! I'd find a gif of them bowing or waving but I'm too lazy to go on to google!
Happy to be here!
hi im aspergers, and I do not find words such as "sane/insane" "dumb/stupid" or of the likes abelist. the only thing i find abelist is when you attach these words to people like me, that is not nice, and saying someone shouldn't use "stupid" because it may offend a disabled person is very mean. it's like hushing someone for saying fuck around a kid "We must protect the innocence of the child they have no idea sh" Please do not treat us like children, and stop throwing around abelist like candy.
Thatâs essentially what I think on the subject as well, anon. The words âinsaneâ and âstupidâ are not ableist - calling someone âinsaneâ or âstupidâ due to their neurological state or mental illness is ableist. But the words themselves are in no way inherently ableist. (And saying they are, in my opinion, implies that neurologically disabled people are fragile people who cannot take some not-nice words being said, and that all of them are insane or stupid.)
-Midna
hi disabled person here to say: youâre wrong, wrong, and wrong.
telling people not to use words that are intrinsically linked to the dehumanization of disabled people is not âtreating disabled people like childrenâ, nor is it âthrowing ableist aroundâ.
calling something you dislike âinsaneâ is literally using mental illness as negative descriptor. itâs expressing your dislike for something by likening it to mental illness or mental instability. how is that not ableist? no, the words themselves are not inherently ableist, but almost every usage you people are trying to defend is.
conversely, âstupidâ is placing value on and conversely devaluing level of intelligence. thatâs directly equivalent to valuing/devaluing levels of physical ability. hence, ableist.
Hi! I kind of wanted to insert something here. Saying that the word âstupidâ is ableist seems, to me, to be saying that all disabled people are inherently âstupidâ(of below average intelligence), which is a huge generalisation, and ableist. I have depression, and I may have social anxiety (not confirmed yet, just suspicions, so dont quote me on that), which is/are mental disabilities. Also, take into account all the physically disabled people with no mental disabilities. With no mental disabilities, even if they are âstupidâ, itâs not a result of a disability.
-Skull Kid
sigh⌠this argument again. this is truly one of the more ridiculous (see how easy it is to say what you mean instead of using âstupidâ?) arguments people cling to in response to this.
by your logic, saying that the r-word is ableist is saying âall disabled people are inherently r******d! thatâs ableist!â do you see why that doesnât work? now apply that to stupid.
also, mental illness is different from the kinds of disabilities most affected by stupid. which are largely neurological disorders and developmental disabilities. which isnât to say mentally ill people donât have a voice in the discussion, but neurologically and developmentally disabled take precedence. and if youâre wondering: yes. i am neurologically disabled.
Hi! I have bipolar disorder and Iâd like to weigh in on this.
First off, I understand your logic with the r-word, but the difference is that people tend to make a gross generalization by saying, âStupid is offensive to people with mental disabilities,â which kind of implies everyone, especially since itâs not very well rooted in mental disabilities (which I will get to in a minute). So, since itâs not well known exactly which type of mental disability it refers to and people use general phrases like that, it tends to come off as âall mentally disabled people are stupidâ. Which is far from true. Take it from someone with bipolar and an IQ of 140.Â
thatâs⌠that logic doesnât connect at all. thatâs like saying, âif you say âbitchâ is offensive to women (which kind of implies everyone), especially since itâs not very well rooted in the female identity, and itâs not known exactly which type of female personality it refers to, it tends to come off as âall women are bitchesâ.â
saying stupid is ableist and offensive to mentally disabled people is saying that stupid is a word that has been and still is used to attack and dehumanize and refer to mental disabled people and invoking that because you want to call something âridiculousâ is ableist.
Next. The word âstupidâ comes from the Latin root relating to ânumbâ, from which the word âstuporâ is also derived. However, language changes over time, which is how it got its meaning today. But, if a word can go from meaning something along the lines of ânumbâ to âmentally disabledâ, it can also go from âmentally disabledâ to âineptâ or âunintelligentâ, which is far from âmentally disabledâ. In our modern age, the word âstupidâ is rarely used to refer to people with mental disability. Itâs used to describe people who are inept or do inept things. Itâs best to keep the context of a word in mind, because if you want to go that way then Bully is a term of endearment and Matrix means pregnant animal.
stupid is inherently tied to devaluing a perceived lack of intelligence. the meaning hasnât changed. it sets up a hierarchy system in which âhigh intelligenceâ people are valued over âlow intelligenceâ people.
Finally, just to top it off, âstupidâ has never, ever been explicitly associated with any form of mental disability. âIdiotâ, âmoronâ, âretardedâ, and âimbecileâ have all been associated with IQ ratings (although retarded really just means slowed), but not with mental disability. If you have any examples where these words are explicitly tied to mental disability, Iâd be glad to hear it.
stupid is explicitly tied to mental disability because it is part of the system i described above. in this intelligence system, mentally disabled people have always been considered lower intelligence and hence, lower value. this is more so true for some mental disabilities than others, but even depression is often linked to lack of intelligence in the ableist structure of our society.
itâs also linked to it in that mentally disabled are often considered âlow intelligenceâ (and therefore âless value) because their expressions of themselves differ from that of neurotypical people. consider how nonverbal autistic people are considered less intelligent simply because they donât communicate in the same way as allistic people. consider how people with sensory processing disorder are often marked as lower intelligence because they canât learn or function in overstimulating or understimulating environments.
stupid isnât just about origin. itâs about a larger structure of the hierarchy of intelligence and how âmore intelligentâ = more valuable, and âless intelligentâ = less valuable.
Also, just a quick question: âneurological disabilityâ is a very broad term ranging anywhere from OCD to Amnesia; could you clarify exactly which disability you have? If you are comfortable with that. That would just aid this discussion.
~Dark Link
i donât have a specific label for the neurological part of my disability as i have not been diagnosed nor have i found a label that i have researched enough or feel comfortable fitting into. it has been suggested to me that i may be autistic, or i may have sensory processing disorder (which is why i used the examples that i did). some examples of what i experience are: nonverbal episodes, brain fog, excessive difficulty in processing long sections of text (your response is about my limit in most cases), inability to focus or listen to people talk without constant stimming, considerable mathematical difficulties (to the point of constantly miscalculating even single digit problems), extremely poor concept of time and distance, loss of coherence in speech, repeating words and forgetting very very basic words like the names of months for long periods of time, a, fucked up fight or flight mechanism (i basically completely cease functioning when under the slightest pressure from another person, though itâs almost entirely related to how my nervous system reacts rather than anxiety or anything like that) aaaand a lot of other shit. so far, i havenât really found anything that encompasses this, though i have considered it may simply be another facet of my dysautonomia (that is, dysfunctional autonomic nervous systemâwhich fucks up a lot of neurological stuff along the way)
in any case, the intelligence system is one that directly affects me. in fact, i greatly highlight the problems with it because of how i am considered extraordinarily intelligent in specific areas (as in, 99th percentile), but extraordinarily unintelligent in others and how that places me in a bizarre place where i have access to some of the benefits that affords me but am also constantly dehumanized and devalued and have even been abused when it comes to anything requiring the specific intelligences i am often considered exceedingly deficient in.
[Citations needed]
Youâre a real idiot arenât you?
I mean really. Speaking over a disabled anon and, moreover, talking over disabled mods who clearly know more than "i have a neurological disorder that hasnât been diagnosed, nor have i found a label that i like, but itâs still totally real so stfu". Wow
Not to mention you were given evidence and have only provided claims without any backing of your own.
But back to the topic of ableismâŚÂ âstupid is an ableist slur!â only if u think all disabled people are stupid, in which case makes YOU the ableist one here, not the word.
thanks for using a word that was literally means "intellectually disabled person" and was primarily used as a basis for eugenics and the sterilization of mentally disabled people as well as legally barring people from voting
itâs lovely that you think iâm âspeaking overâ a disabled person, when i have a diagnosed neurological disability myself that as just as relevant as social anxiety is to intelligence related discussion, but i do not have a specific diagnosis for my mental symptoms but know that i exhibit symptoms of a communication disorder as well as sensory processing disorder but donât know, specifically, what i have
i find it incredibly intriguing that you think simply having the label of âsocial anxietyâ or âbipolar disorderâ makes a person more legitimate in speaking on mental disabilities relating to intelligence than does a non-labeled person who experiences nonverbal episodes, excessive difficulties in communication, mental and sensory processing difficulties, loss of coherent speech, perseveration, and excessive difficulty with even the most basic of math and words in a verbal context
if the three of us were to list our symptoms, which would you pick out as more likely an intellectual disability, or at the very least most strongly related to the concept of intelligence as it relates to mental disabilities? iâm guessing you wouldnât pick bipolar disorder. but apparently thatâs more valid because they have a label and i donât? iâm glad they were fortunate enough to get diagnosed. the fact that i havenât doesnât make my experience any less valid.
i also donât think you read my post at all? because i literally addressed exactly what you said. did you miss the entire bit about the intelligence system?
also, you talk of âevidenceâ and âcitation neededâ, but the above posters did not actually cite anything. so thereâs that.
Excuse me, but...
also, you talk of âevidenceâ and âcitation neededâ, but the above posters did not actually cite anything. so thereâs that.
While you are correct with that, I'm afraid you've just committed
Not that the other responder didn't commit a fallacy as well. They committed ad hominem.
-- Mod R
Familial problems and school problems are rising in my personal life, so I may have to take a semi-hiatus, everyone.
-- Mod R
Idk if it's just me but you guys seem.. wise and ancient.. I don't know man. But y'all are hella rad. So many fallacies :)
I wouldn't exactly say I'm wise and ancient (actually quite the opposite imo), but Lucifer could definitely fit in there.
Thank you for the compliment, though. <3
-- Mod R
Feminism
Strawman
-- Mod R
The only reason that person is calling you ableist is because they know they're wrong and this is coming from someone who suffers from both problems with their eyes and insomnia; so I say you're not being ableist at all.
Hahahaha I know, theyâre just so incredibly wrong that I just canât even⌠lol
I actually showed this to a couple of my blind buddies on skype because it was just that dumb and they were cracking up with how stupid they were. So uh, there is consolation in that.
Even without that though you just have to marvel in how hilariously offended someone gets over the term âvisually impairedâ when literally every official organization uses that term somewhere. They should be getting equally pissed at the NFB for using it too lmao. And to top it all off they try justifying theft from major retailers with hints on how to do it and use their blindness to excuse them from being called an asshole. Too bad! Doesnât work too well when youâre dating a blind person and have 7 others that you talk to every other day.
-Hodr
You explained nothing, and cited nothing. Additionally, while, as Forsetti pointed out, no one wants to feel inadequate, that doesnât make the fact go away. Without my contacts, I canât drive. My vision is inadequate. It is, in fact, impaired. I may not relish the fact, but that doesnât make it go away. And I would much rather have people acknowledge that fact than have them pretend Iâm perfect and wonât walk into stationary objects.
~ Frigga
if there are whole petitions coming from the deaf and blind communities advocating against calling people impaired why do you think your blog is the right one? if the college for the deaf says that term should never be used, why do you think youre still in the right? needing to wear contacts is not the same thing as being fucking blind holy shit
Anonymous Authority Fallacy
-- Mod R
Apologies for the absence. School is a pain sometimes.
-- Mod R
Is it a fallacy to claim that society would be better off if there were more competition?
If I'm completely honest, I'm not sure.
I think it would fall more under a broken window fallacy, depending on the person's reasoning for making such a claim.
If anyone else has something they think it falls better under, feel free to add onto this.
-- Mod RÂ
⢠a transphobic woman is not a feminist ⢠a racist woman is not a feminist ⢠a homophobic woman is not a feminist ⢠exclusionary feminism is not feminism
mmm except it kinda is and its important that we dont try and absolve feminism of its faults and issues by saying âx isnt actually feminismâ idk
OP has used No True Scotsman.
-- Mod R
id be pretty happy if someone doxed those blogs tbh
âŚ.you are literally wishing for someone to post our personal information, an action that is ILLEGAL and endangers people.
And somehow WE are the awful people.
Yeah. Okay. If that helps you sleep at night, keep thinking that way, I guess.
Meanwhile, Iâll be over here NOT wishing for peopleâs lives to be put at risk just because I agree with them.
-Dany
I like how this piece of crap hellatrans thinks doxxing us will make us go away. Â Protip, shithead, it wonât. Â Not to mention the consequences for YOU. -Impmon
You are using ad hominem.
-- Mod R