...and promptly gets into a lengthy discussion about whose eyebrows looked better in the latest episode of this week's Wednesday/Thursday drama: the female or male lead.
In the words of Drake, “I mean, where the $!&@ should I really even start?”
It says a lot that we’re into week three of this drama and I’m still heavily utilizing the fast forward button. I’m pretty sure there’s no way I would get through it if I had to actually watch the whole thing in real time, it just d-r-a-g-s so much sometimes! And then by the time we get to the point, I find I don’t even really care anymore.
Case in point - I was quite enjoying what Director(?) Tak brought to the table, in terms of his weird power games with Chan Mi, and the way he switched so quickly from being a subservient dog with the uncle-director dude, to being a flat out thug around the research director.
But by the time we got to the (frankly quite upsetting) pesticide scene, I wasn’t even really concerned that a major player was suddenly being written off the table entirely. I suppose subconsciously I know that he’ll resurface, but... still.
I don’t know what changed, but I found myself, in this week’s episodes, more interested in the fluffier parts of the drama which I’d previously decided I could do entirely without. I really enjoyed watching CEO Lee Sang Yeob (will get to remembering his actual character name soon, i promise) pine for his lost love - although, and @triangularlily is not going to be pleased with this confession, I don’t particularly care very much about Chan Mi. I’m suddenly so invested in this relationship of yore, but only in his side of it. I am curious about what happened, because that whole flashback was super interesting, but I don’t care about her feelings and wellbeing, just his.
I think a lot of that, honestly, just has to do with her gait. Why that would throw me off so much I don’t know, but the way her shoulders don’t move when she strides purposefully around, while very inline with how I’d expect a deadly superspy to walk when they’re determined and focused, is also very very distracting.
I started this drama confident that I wouldn’t care about what was going on in the company, and be invested almost solely in the NIS aspect of things, of catching Michael and of clearing up what happened to Ye Eun’s baby daddy. This week’s episodes have flipped my focus completely around. While I do think it’s interesting that the doe faced driver-lackey boy in the team is the only one who’s seen that photograph of Ye Eun with the dead agent, I found the comment in the screenshot above even more interesting. It’s such a fascinating comparison to when our CEO says to Chan Mi that he’s all about giving people second chances. Right now, I kind of want to know how his dad died and how this evil uncle dude got the power, more than I want to know who Michael is.
(also bratty superstar Woo Won is growing on me even though I fast forward every childish temper tantrum aka 95% of his scenes. I must be out of it this week, it’s the only explanation for my completely illogical response to these episodes.)
@triangularlily checking in super late because she forgot what day of the week it was.
It seems like skipping is the theme for all three of us this with this show. For me, I am seeing that there are parts/scenes I really like and others that I really do not. And those scenes that I really do not like I seem to be skipping through. There isn’t really a middle ground. For instance I loved the end of episode 4 when they show up to save Ye Eun and do that walk in and then beat everyone up, however I had to skip over the part where they were driving there because I don’t understand how causing the driver to drive recklessly will help them get there faster. I think it was supposed to be a joke but it comes off not funny at all to me when the kidnapping of Ye Eun is supposed to be an intense moment.
I think that is the biggest downfall of this show for me so far is that some of the ridiculous plot points and jokes take away from the overall story and tone. And you might ask me, “well aren’t you watching a kdrama?” Yes, and that is a fair question and I think it just comes down to the timing. It’s not that you can’t have a ridiculous plot or jokes, just figure out better timing. I know plenty of other movies/shows that manage to be very funny/ridiculous and yet intense/sad at the same time.
This is why I rather agree with @rocknghorss and @dramajib that by skipping it makes the show a bit more enjoyable because I can skip over some of these scenes/jokes and still somewhat keep my suspension of disbelief.
Title of the post aside lol, is it bad that when I (Marie here) liberally pressed the 10sec skip button, I enjoyed the drama a whole lot more???
Usually, this would be a sign that it’s time for me to drop a show, but in the case of Good Casting I don’t want to drop it! I just want to narrow down the currently too numerous to count storylines to three (3). They are, in no particular order:
Chan Mi finding Michael and for her backstory with Ye Eun and her hubby to be revealed.
The revelation of the team leader’s team leader true motivations. (I really need to just pull up the character chart. I do know that team leader is Chan Mi’s sunbae so I guess I’m making progress lol.)
The reveal of the connection between Michael, the Il Gwang company, and the NIS.
On the meta side of things, i found it really frustrating, the way the show hammered home that women are excluded from spaces and/or criticized based up their willingness/ability to adhere to certain beauty standards. I also skipped through almost all of the scenes where Mi Soon is relegated to the “unbeautiful” caretaker role. But then I started thinking about it a little more. Because @dramajib is right. Mi Soon absolutely gets shit done. She’s doing the most even with her dumbass husband, she’s going to (probably) take her daughter’s struggles in a stride once they’re revealed. On top of that, she’s basically leading the team from behind.
So is the show really trying to point out that conventional measures of beauty, actually really miss the mark? And maybe all of the ways that the world devalues women who don’t fit the mold are actually bullshit and should be acknowledged as such...
I don’t know. It might not be that deep, in reality, because this is a show where we have a first-loves-meet-again-but-one-of-them-has-amnesia (maybe??) as a major plot point lol.
Confession: I totally fast forwarded a fair portion of this week’s episodes. Mostly during the hijinks-y bits, because the humour still isn’t growing on me (the action scenes are still a lot of fun though).
I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s never funny, because it does work from time to time - for some reason, Mi Soon’s interaction last week with the security guard cracked me up, although I’m hard pressed to point out exactly what was so funny about that compared to, say, her getting stuck in the vents this week.
Speaking of Mi Soon - the whole “she can’t get an in anywhere except as a cleaner/cook/old maid figure because she’s not young and sexy” got old really quick. The only thing I can say in favour of that schtick is that it’s kind of realistic, in that most spies probably aren’t Charlie’s Angels or James Bond levels of sexy glamour; they’re probably most successful when they’re nondescript and unmemorable.
But unmemorable doesn’t make for good TV, and I get that’s where we’re going with this, but when it’s juxtaposed with her louse of a husband, and the inevitable self-blame when she realizes she hasn’t seen the problems her teenage daughter is going through right under her nose, it just serves to piss me off. Especially when she’s probably the best at her job of all three of them.
Hear me out - Chan Mi is super competent, but she’s so impetuous and blinded by her emotions (although I do love the dichotomy of her being a sweet frilly doll loving girl while simultaneously kicking all the butts), and Ye Eun appears to be super level-headed and smart, but she’s really just not cut out (or ready yet) for field work, and it shows. Mi Soon though, gets in there and gets the job done, while simultaneously reining in Chan Mi’s impulsiveness and trying to teach Ye Eun as much as she can along the way.
Her character serves very much in the role of comedic relief, so I anticipate that I’ll continue to fast forward through many of her scenes, but somehow, in spite of that, I’m currently still 100% team Mi Soon. Go figure.
A bunch of women thrown together for a top secret, desperately important mission. The only issues are: only one of them actually seems to care and all three were coerced into actually doing it.
That was a pretty big record scratch moment for me. It didn’t help that I came into the show totally wrong about the premise (like REALLY wrong). I was expecting a ragtag group of women to find themselves and forge long lasting friendships with one another, type of story. So far, that’s not the vibe at all. Which is ok. It’s kind of refreshing.
Instead of sisterhood, we have three women in different life circumstances who aren’t bonding so much as they’re putting their heads down and getting the job done. At least in my experience in the workplace, that’s been the norm, rather than the bosom buddies, you’re my sister from another mother kind of friendship that I see portrayed on tv more often, if women are given time to interact with each other meaningfully at all, that is. And I like seeing that reality reflected on my screen. What’s more, they screw things up. They aren’t super spies, they’re normal humans in abnormal situations, being stretched a little past what they were hired and trained to do.
Of course, there are hijinks, with the story being about spies, there must be hijinks. Obviously, there’s tragic backstory that links all the main characters together. What kind of self-respecting drama worth the name would skip that bit? But for me at least, this boils down to a workplace and human drama, which is the kind of story I didn’t know I wanted but I’m glad I’m watching.
Next up: @triangularlily or @dramajib who did indeed know what the drama was about when they started it lol.
SMK’s Kristin @triangularlily Has Some More Thoughts
You say I knew what this drama was about @rocknghorss but I don’t know if I would have said that after reading the synopsis. My takeaway was some female leads, spies, and Choi Kang Hee which was enough for me to try it when @dramajib suggested it. So far I’m still not super confident I know whats happening as the plot seems super convoluted at the moment and I am not sure I am exactly following all of the details in terms of what happened 3(?) years ago and present day.
I think I am enjoying the leads the most, I really love Choi Kang Hee - shes always so fun to watch I think. I also do love the dynamics of the three main ladies and I think it will be a great journey to watch them grow more into a team. (I know two of them were on a team but they haven’t worked together in a while). I hope this becomes somewhat of a “found family” story as I love that trope, and especially in the case of the young mom (sorry I don’t know everyone’s names yet) as she seems so alone. Seeing how things went with her child’s father I really hope her ending isn’t a sad one but we shall see. I think as Marie says there will be more hijinks and drama to go.
Going forward I have some questions that I hope will get answered later: Why wasn’t she allowed to shoot that villain guy? What’s the deal with that grumpy superior guy? Why is she holding onto the ring? Who spread the rumors about Choi Kang Hee’s character?
First up, Marie, you severely overestimate us - I don’t think any of us knew what we were getting ourselves into when we started this drama. I sort of suspected some comedy would be in play, given the tone of the posters, but I definitely was not expecting this particular brand of Korean gag-style humour. It usually doesn’t work for me at all, but I think watching the show with my @somuchkdrama buddies made for easier viewing, and it didn’t bother me as much as usual.
Unlike the two of you, I actually am in this for one of the male leads, Lee Jong Hyuk.
While I’m loving watching him bumble through being a team lead to three women who are completely walking all over him, there’s obviously some tragic heartbreak going on in his past, and I’m excited for that to come up. Is it his divorce? Was his failed marriage the reason he broke up with Chan Mi? Or did he just recognize that she’s too strong for a soft baby like him? Also, what does the awful director have on him? Why does he look like he wants to shoot him through the head? Actually, scratch that last one, I’d probably look at him like that too if he were my boss. Totally valid, my bad.
Although I picked up the show for a male lead, it’s probably going to be the ladies who keep me around. One of the things I loved most was how they gave them proper action scenes, and didn’t just soften it up because they’re women, or try to feminize the fights in any way.
That’s not to say that they’re not definitely female - those outfits from Marie’s screencap are prime example #1 of some great fashion choices.
(I’m going to pretend these bicycle shorts didn’t actually happen and move right along).
Like you guys, I’m really rooting for the team dynamics to develop - I want to see Chan Mi and Mi Soon being big sister figures to Ye Eun (and aunts to her daughter!), I want to see the guilt and anger fully thrashed out, I want them to fail, and then gather their strength and lean on each other and be 200 times better for it.
I’m hoping a romance angle between Lee Sang Yeob’s character and Chan Mi doesn’t become a major focus of the show, because I’m sort of loving the dynamics between the exes being on the same team, and I don’t want perceived jealousy to ruin that. I do, however, really hope he’s not a bad guy, and he helps our bumbling spies succeed in their mission.
Also, I really want to see how they’re going to hunt down a bad guy based on the one clue of “he was wearing a blue scarf three years ago” because that shit is ridiculous.
A bunch of women thrown together for a top secret, desperately important mission. The only issues are: only one of them actually seems to care and all three were coerced into actually doing it.
That was a pretty big record scratch moment for me. It didn’t help that I came into the show totally wrong about the premise (like REALLY wrong). I was expecting a ragtag group of women to find themselves and forge long lasting friendships with one another, type of story. So far, that’s not the vibe at all. Which is ok. It’s kind of refreshing.
Instead of sisterhood, we have three women in different life circumstances who aren’t bonding so much as they’re putting their heads down and getting the job done. At least in my experience in the workplace, that’s been the norm, rather than the bosom buddies, you’re my sister from another mother kind of friendship that I see portrayed on tv more often, if women are given time to interact with each other meaningfully at all, that is. And I like seeing that reality reflected on my screen. What’s more, they screw things up. They aren’t super spies, they’re normal humans in abnormal situations, being stretched a little past what they were hired and trained to do.
Of course, there are hijinks, with the story being about spies, there must be hijinks. Obviously, there’s tragic backstory that links all the main characters together. What kind of self-respecting drama worth the name would skip that bit? But for me at least, this boils down to a workplace and human drama, which is the kind of story I didn’t know I wanted but I’m glad I’m watching.
Next up: @triangularlily or @dramajib who did indeed know what the drama was about when they started it lol.
SMK’s Kristin @triangularlily Has Some More Thoughts
You say I knew what this drama was about @rocknghorss but I don’t know if I would have said that after reading the synopsis. My takeaway was some female leads, spies, and Choi Kang Hee which was enough for me to try it when @dramajib suggested it. So far I’m still not super confident I know whats happening as the plot seems super convoluted at the moment and I am not sure I am exactly following all of the details in terms of what happened 3(?) years ago and present day.
I think I am enjoying the leads the most, I really love Choi Kang Hee - shes always so fun to watch I think. I also do love the dynamics of the three main ladies and I think it will be a great journey to watch them grow more into a team. (I know two of them were on a team but they haven’t worked together in a while). I hope this becomes somewhat of a “found family” story as I love that trope, and especially in the case of the young mom (sorry I don’t know everyone’s names yet) as she seems so alone. Seeing how things went with her child’s father I really hope her ending isn’t a sad one but we shall see. I think as Marie says there will be more hijinks and drama to go.
Going forward I have some questions that I hope will get answered later: Why wasn’t she allowed to shoot that villain guy? What’s the deal with that grumpy superior guy? Why is she holding onto the ring? Who spread the rumors about Choi Kang Hee’s character?
A bunch of women thrown together for a top secret, desperately important mission. The only issues are: only one of them actually seems to care and all three were coerced into actually doing it.
That was a pretty big record scratch moment for me. It didn’t help that I came into the show totally wrong about the premise (like REALLY wrong). I was expecting a ragtag group of women to find themselves and forge long lasting friendships with one another, type of story. So far, that’s not the vibe at all. Which is ok. It’s kind of refreshing.
Instead of sisterhood, we have three women in different life circumstances who aren’t bonding so much as they’re putting their heads down and getting the job done. At least in my experience in the workplace, that’s been the norm, rather than the bosom buddies, you’re my sister from another mother kind of friendship that I see portrayed on tv more often, if women are given time to interact with each other meaningfully at all, that is. And I like seeing that reality reflected on my screen. What’s more, they screw things up. They aren’t super spies, they’re normal humans in abnormal situations, being stretched a little past what they were hired and trained to do.
Of course, there are hijinks, with the story being about spies, there must be hijinks. Obviously, there’s tragic backstory that links all the main characters together. What kind of self-respecting drama worth the name would skip that bit? But for me at least, this boils down to a workplace and human drama, which is the kind of story I didn’t know I wanted but I’m glad I’m watching.
Next up: @triangularlily or @dramajib who did indeed know what the drama was about when they started it lol.
We’re back!!! And we’ve jumped straight into the good stuff.
A note from dramajib: I’ve been travelling, so this post has been dwelling in our drafts for a couple of weeks now. But I’m back and getting ready to catch up, so stay tuned!
@dramajib: It’s been so long since I’ve watched a sageuk, I’m struggling a little bit to follow the whole uprising plot. Like, I can’t quite seem to keep track of who is involved, or what Han Ye Ri’s character’s stance is on the whole thing.
Also, uncharacteristically for me, I’m more invested in Yoon Si Yoon’s character development than Jo Jung Suk’s. I am almost always drawn to the broody guy over the pretty guy or the nice guy, but somehow this particular character is not quite doing it for me just yet. The only pull at the moment is the actor, although I’ll admit to getting more and more invested as the episode progresses (mostly when we see him being adorable with his mother).
Also the only other show I’ve watched with Han Ye Ri was Hello My Twenties, so her character in this one took me by surprise. There was so much more fire than I expected from her, and it was great.
@rocknghorss: Guys I was really into episode 2 right up until the 45 minute mark. But then my nit-pickiness reared its head… why the heck are they playing this super dramatic music while YiHyun is running away with his dad?? Like come on…
dramajib: LOL Marie I have to admit I did not notice that at all, sorry I can’t commiserate.
@triangularlily: Yeah I didn’t notice either, but I did skip slightly through them running away cause I felt it was getting drawn out
dramajib: Am I the only sucker who went “ooooo how clever” when the leader of the uprising did the hand stabby thing? Like I know it was written with that intention, but I still fell for it.
rocknghorss: Yes! It was clever, as was Jain (is that her name??) selling YiKang and her guard out to Revolt Leader Guy
dramajib: I swear I will start using real names from next week’s episodes, it’s just too early in the morning for me!
triangularlily: Yeah me too, it’s always really hard with sageuks and names especially
dramajib: Speaking of names - why didn’t Baek Ga’s wife just demand her son be named something else? She’s obviously bossy enough to insist her husband’s illegitimate son be kicked out, so I don’t believe he wouldn’t have agreed to that request.
…. the dad’s name isn’t actually Baek Ga, is it?
rocknghorss: Lol I don’t think that’s the dad’s name??? But I could be wrong… I think we should dub him Baek Dad.
triangularlily: I think for me I was actually pretty interested for once in the uprising plot because all the characters are a little bit more in a gray area?? Like usually with sageuks there’s an obvious evil guy and then the righteous main characters, and this show doesn’t really have that.
Like the dad is def more on the evil side but I also can understand how he got to that point and then he isn’t always portrayed in the show with the stereotypical evil sageuk character demeanor.
dramajib: I agree, I like how multidimensional the characters are so far. Although the dad at the end of episode 4 makes me question if they’ll be able to maintain that greyness throughout the show
rocknghorss: I was really feeling Yi Hyun risking it all to save his father. Like he knows what kind of absolutely terrible person his father is and has forced his big brother to become and he still literally carried his father out of Gobu on his back. That’s some serious family loyalty.
triangularlily: Yeah his face at the end when they are like parading back into town wasn’t triumphant by any means
rocknghorss: Which means that he’s probably going to have a terrible descent into becoming evil by the end of the drama
dramajib: Nooooooo!!!
rocknghorss: Lolol why no?
triangularlily: Cause she likes his character lol
dramajib: I know older brother is setting up for a redemption arc, but surely the younger one doesn’t HAVE to turn corrupt
rocknghorss: Hehehe
dramajib: That is an evil laugh if ever there was one
triangularlily: I saw someone else saying he was gonna be the villain based on the character chart and I was like huh??
dramajib: Nooooooooooo!!
rocknghorss: Well I could be wrong but it would be kinda fun for Yoon Shi Yoon to play the baddie for once. Especially the reluctant baddie.
dramajib: I mean objectively speaking I can see it happening. He’s got all this guilt about his brother as it is, then he piles on more for enabling his dad to continue to do evil things, I wouldn’t be surprised if he breaks
rocknghorss: I am wondering at his guilt too Ekta! Especially because Baek Dad now has it out for his teacher. Like how’s he going to handle that…
dramajib: Plus you know dad is going to give him hell for skipping the exam and saving him instead
rocknghorss: Oh he did skip it didn’t he. I missed that entirely.
triangularlily: Yeah I wonder Baek Dad seems a bit of an unpredictable basket case
dramajib: He is literally dropping dead on the floor when his son comes to save him, and the first thing he does is yell at him for skipping school. I identified with Yoon Shi Yoon so much in that moment.
Plus we got that whole “I want to die as a minister’s father” flashback TWICE, so I imagine the younger brother is going to fall out of favour soon.
rocknghorss: Hmm! Now that’s a thought. I found it extremely worrying that Baek Dad is letting YiKang call him “father” now. Like that’s not where I wanted his story to go and I’m worried that he’s going to get even more tangled up in being an enforcer
triangularlily: I’m assuming though he is going to go through a drastic redemption arc. I just hope it isn’t at the expense of his mom.
rocknghorss: His mother ended up escaping though right?
triangularlily: Yeah but I just mean it’s a super common sageuk trope for a mom/sister to get murdered or rape for the main male character to drastically chain
rocknghorss: Well that’s true. Still sideeyeing Crowned Clown over that mess
@rocknghorss: I finished episodes 7 & 8 and I’m full of happy shipper feels.
And some sad ones about Noona.
@triangularlily: Yes same here. And annoyance at the aunt and grandpa
rocknghorss: Yeah! Listening to some rando girl you’ve never met before rather than talking to your son’s friends (whom I’m pretty sure both Grandpa and Aunt have met) is a stupid move
@dramajib: I’m not really mad at Aunt, but Grandpa should know better. He met Mi Ho and liked her, why is he trusting third hand gossip over his own instincts?
rocknghorss: Right! It would’ve made more sense if they’d made Grandpa wary of Miho instead of being essentially her cheerleader. Also, Grandpa is all about pushing his kids into relationships, which I find amusing. I feel like in kdrama where there is a grandpa, he’s either sort of bumbling or standoffish, and this guy is neither.
dramajib: True. I sort of really like him. He better not die or fall really sick or anything
rocknghorss: I don’t think he does! I think one of the things I like best about this drama is the way they show how different families can be… like when Grandpa was talking to Miho and giving her the juice, he didn’t make a big deal about her not having parents (like they sometimes do in family dramas and makjangs). Nor was he pitying? It was more like he felt like he understood Woong a little better
triangularlily: It’s exactly because I like the grandpa that I’m disappointed in him listening to noona. It’s funny that as I watch each episode I’m like oh yeah I vaguely remember this happening but don’t ever remember the outcome until it happens
rocknghorss: Lol same. I’m kinda liking that though, because it makes it feel fresh. Who knows though, this might be another instance where the writers subvert our expectations and Grandpa decides to listen to Woong instead of just assuming he knows best
dramajib: I mean it would be nice if he’s just dragging both of them home so he can keep an eye on her, because that would really piss Noona off cos it’s a level of acceptance she can’t get.
dramajib: What really made me laugh was how Noona’s manager(?) was all “Yeah now we want him on board”
rocknghorss: lol I think it’s her manager… I’m having trouble remembering anything but that lady’s very intense eyeliner lol
dramajib: lol and what about Chicken ahjumma?!
rocknghorss: About her taking Miho to the home shopping show?
dramajib: Yes how cute are they?!
rocknghorss: lol yeah they are. One of the things I didn’t remember and now find sorta endlessly amusing is how ahjumma calls Miho “scary blue eyes”
dramajib: Now that I think about it, I really enjoy her interactions with people other than Dae Woong. I mean there’s hip-hop guy, but that somehow doesn’t really count because he’s… Special too. Like even in the earlier episode where Dae Woong left her alone with his friend to go after Noona? She had such a cute chat with him. It’s like everybody loves Mi Ho unless they have ulterior motives - kinda like what happened to her in the past when jealous wives spread nasty rumours about her.
rocknghorss: That’s a good point Ekta and I think it kinda goes along with that theme the writers had in 7/8 about being different not being a bad thing.
triangularlily: I do love Miho that’s for sure
dramajib: Do we actually know what hip hop guy is? In terms of not being human?
rocknghorss: IDK really. Sometimes I think he’s an evil spirit, what with putting that stuff about the Little Mermaid in Miho’s head. Then other times I just think he’s like Kagome in Inuyasha… and I feel like I bring up Inuyasha a lot, but it was the anime of my youth lol
dramajib: I never watched it, what is that character all about?
rocknghorss: Kagome essentially was your typical high schooler, who just happened to be raised in a temple, and somehow went back in time to become a demon hunter. She was nice though…
triangularlily: Shoot I feel like he said something about who he was in 7/8 but I can’t remember now
rocknghorss: Oh did he actually talk about himself Kristin? I guess I’ll have to admit to fastforwarding through his scenes lol
triangularlily: I feel like he did but i could be remembering wrong too
dramajib: I remember learning about Mi Ho’s lookalike but not anything specifically about him. But I also wasn’t paying that much attention. I can’t help it! His hair and the background music are always so distracting
rocknghorss: It is!! There was that one scene where he was outside for once (in a park I think) and it still had that stupid music cue! I literally LOL’d
triangularlily: It is so silly
triangularlily: After watching 9 I really feel like Noona is really missing out on using her skills of manipulating and sleuthing to be something more than an actor. I feel like she could be a mob boss or something
rocknghorss: LOL. So I actually tried to put myself in Noona’s shoes for once. Like what if someone I knew had fallen in with someone who seemed to be pushing them to do something despite being hurt, had come out of nowhere and started living with them and turned them into someone who was behaving very differently than just a few weeks before, I’d be freaked out too. Why wouldn’t I tell my friend’s parents that there seemed to be a problem? I don’t know if I’d try to coerce the “weirdo” into leaving, but I’d try to protect my friend.
triangularlily: Yeah it is easy to judge her but I am not sure what I would do either
rocknghorss: Right? It’s hard to say what you would do. Woong’s two friends are charmingly blase about Miho, but they’re just chill people I guess and Noona isn’t… and of course she’s upset cause her man is suddenly not her man any more. Which just complicates everything
triangularlily: I think still like she was too confident in her assumptions like she doesn’t actually know what she’s dealing with so like esp in terms of the end of episode 10
dramajib: I’m not sure I agree with defending Noona, although I really don’t hate her
rocknghorss: Lol. I still don’t actually like her. She, like HipHop, is on my shit list. She’s also like doing her level best to make Miho feel like Woong is using her… which he was/is but Miho and Woong already had that talk a few eps ago
dramajib: I don’t know about Hip Hop guy being on my shit list. I mean he should just tell Mi Ho the truth about someone dying, but it’s not like he’s keeping things from her out of ill intent.
rocknghorss: It’s true that HipHop doesn’t mean Miho ill, but I’m still mad because he’s hiding the fact that Woong is going to be Miho’s human sacrifice. He took the choice (to not kill Woong) away from her even though I think he can tell already how much she likes him
dramajib: Noona though… like, yeah, I agree that she’s got some footing to stand on with this being a lot to take in. If the guy I was flirting with suddenly took up with a mythical creature human hybrid, I’d be fairly confident he needed saving too. But she’s also simultaneously so selfish and scheme-y about it all that it’s hard to keep in mind that aspect of how her reaction is sort of warranted.
dramajib: I’m also confused by Grandpa’s flipflopping
rocknghorss: I think Grandpa’s issue is that he wanted to like Miho, and already did, but when Aunt came to him all worried, he just skipped some logical steps and went straight into Overprotective Mode. And I think I only know that because I’ve seen the whole drama, sorry Ekta!
dramajib: But then he suddenly goes back to being nice to her and feeding her??
rocknghorss: Yeah because he already wanted to like her because she made Woong ~responsible~
dramajib: Ugh. So. Illogical.
rocknghorss: Lol. That’s true, but speaking from at least my experience, some parents are wildly illogical when they think there’s a threat to their kid. And once they realize that all is well they turns back into nice human beings as though the whole incident never occurred
We didn’t take a three month break between episodes, we just got too busy to post! So here’s a delayed post about episodes 5 & 6, more to come soon!
@dramajib: I’m done with 5 & 6, although if I’m honest I may have fast forwarded a bit
@rocknghorss: Nooo lol
rocknghorss: You know, something I like about Woong in these two eps is that he’s both totally upfront about not liking her for real, and etc, and yet he keeps giving off all these mixed signals. He’s the stereotypical little boy pulling at the hair of a girl he likes.
It’s not “good” behavior by any stretch, but at least he’s not being two-faced like hip-hop dude
dramajib: I am so confused by hip hop dude. What is his goal here?? But maybe let’s get back to him later and talk about Dae Woong first.
rocknghorss: I’d like to give Woong a stern talking to lol. He’s basically gotten permission to walk all over Miho and is just plowing right along without really listening to his conscience and I just want to shake him!!!
dramajib: I thought Dae Woong was disillusioned by Noona, so I was surprised that he has the rings - but I did like that he told Mi Ho the truth about that
rocknghorss: Yeah. I agree about him being disillusioned about Noona, but I think perhaps he’s liked her for so long that it’s almost a habit to seek her approval
@triangularlily: Yeah that makes sense
dramajib: Good point. I actually do like her character mostly… I think… but I also love every time he brushes her off for Mi Ho and she’s just like ?!?!?. Also, I forget, does she actually know that Mi Ho is the girl the director wants as his star?
rocknghorss: I don’t think she does lol. That would make it all worse. The thing about Noona is that she seems likable and reasonable and then she spouts all of this self-centered nonsense… I was surprisingly disappointed in her when she lit into Woong about not being healthy enough to film.
dramajib: Well… some people express their concern by getting angry. And it’s not entirely unbelievable that she would worry about her reputation when this is her big break. Especially given that he has a tendency to be irresponsible and immature about things in the past. Having said that, still a bitch move.
rocknghorss: Speaking of women! I didn’t realize til this episode that elevator guy’s daughter had a crush on Woong.
triangularlily: She is kind of a strange character. Like I just mean she is Woong’s friend but also so quickly like dumped him
dramajib: Yes, she’s ODD. And the way Woong’s other friend has a crush on her is also weird. It’s almost like there’s a secondary romance storyline just for the sake of it.
rocknghorss: Hah! Some writers kill off their characters when they don’t know what to do with them anymore but the Hong sisters just have their side characters fall in love with each other lol
dramajib: Hahahaha Marie that is such a good observation and so true
triangularlily: I forgot about so many of the side characters in this show like I can’t remember what happens to most of them
rocknghorss: All I know is that we’re going to see Chicken Ahjumma all the way to the end, but for the rest it’s all a blur
dramajib: Oh I’m glad! I like Chicken Ahjumma. How long ago did you guys last watch this btw?
rocknghorss: Literally when it aired so almost ten years ago?
triangularlily: It was when I first started watching dramas so like yeah 10ish years ago. I think I watched it after it came out though like maybe more like 8 or 9 years idk
dramajib: I think maybe we can cut the drama some slack then if some side characters were forgettable. I can’t remember stuff from dramas two years ago!
rocknghorss: True true lol
rocknghorss: Ekta, why’d you have to fast forward through these eps, do you remember?
dramajib: I think I just wasn’t super engrossed for the first part of the episode? I can’t really remember to be honest
rocknghorss: I was just curious to know if you were finding what I was finding. For a lot of dramas I watch, I feel like everything is on this rising tide of awesomeness (my words are escaping me lol) up to episode 6, but with this show I’m not really feeling that. Maybe because Miho’s quest to become human is given less importance than the ?? potential?? love quadrangle.
triangularlily: love quandrangle lmao
dramajib: lol I do sort of agree with the episode 6 thing Marie. I feel like a lot of shows could benefit from telling the same story with a fewer number of episodes. But that might also be because I’ve watched more dramas now, and a lot of the fluff is no longer new and exciting to me. Plus, I always skip the romance bits (sorry Kristin!)
triangularlily: lmao. It is a romance drama though so I assume you went in with that expectation
dramajib: Oh yeah definitely. And I like both the lead actors so I don’t mind watching. And really, their romance development is kind of cute. It’s like what Marie said earlier about Dae Woong is like a little kid who doesn’t know how to tell Mi Ho he likes her. It’s like watching your kid siblings in their first relationship
triangularlily: Yeah I always did like the ending of episode 6, when he runs after her
dramajib: And leaves noona there? The best.
rocknghorss: Yes Miho and Woong are too cute. I’m just crossing my fingers that hip hop guy will chill with the angst, and not get in the way too much.
triangularlily: If I remember right the main like obstacle in the show was more like what he did (giving Miho a way to become human but also killing Woong in the process) rather than hip hop guy himself. If that makes sense. So they are fighting to both be alive and to survive rather than fighting hip hop guy directly
rocknghorss: Hmm yeah it does. I really am drawing a blank of him, which is kinda good actually because it’s letting me enjoy the show more I think
@rocknghorss: Daewoong is such a frustrating man-child!!! I get that Miho is.. screwing up his game with noona but why can't he treat her more nicely?
@dramajib: I think he's being plenty nice as it is actually. Like he could just ditch her entirely, but he's put up with her (until now anyway). Mostly out of fear, but still. It's not just noona she's screwing up for him, basically since he met her he's got no money, can't go home for (misguided) fear of her eating his family, he's discovered that most of his friends were fake friends..
rocknghorss: I know :( I'm just biased...
dramajib: Ahahahaha aren't we all.
That whole ship thing at the end of episode 3 took me by surprise though, I was like... Dae Woong is a selfish manchild, sure, but he hasn't been MEAN up to this point. And that was really mean
rocknghorss: it was! He'd had a pretty disappointing day, but still, that was downright mean. I guess from his point of view, everything was Miho's fault. So why not? Especially since as far as he knows, the water can't actually hurt her.
dramajib: It's awful. I hope he gets very contrite and fixes it somehow. Preferably NOT by diving in the water and swimming after the boat and getting pneumonia
rocknghorss: Lol.
The Greatest Love Story: Aunt and Elevator Guy
rocknghorss: Speaking of fixing things, I like how Miho is inadvertently fixing Daewoong's relationship with his Grandpa
dramajib: And helping his aunt and the elevator guy
rocknghorss: Oh yes lol. Although! I was a bit confused about why elevator guy thought that aunt was married?
dramajib: In the previous episode, when she runs away cos she thinks his daughter is his gf, he sees her standing in front of the mannequin at the men's underwear section of the department store, and when the sales woman asks her if she's buying undies for her husband she says yes, cos embarrassed
rocknghorss: Oh. I'm glad you remembered, b/c I was completely lost. That said, I was quite amused just how EXTRA they both are. The soft lit sunset behind elevator man as he was (I guess) wallowing in despair was ridiculous and I loved it.
dramajib: It's so cheesy I can't stand it but I also simultaneously love it
Dramajib Goes Off On Noona
dramajib: Kristin have you finished episode 3? I haven't watched 4 yet but I have an itch to talk about noona and all her noona issues
rocknghorss: I’m down for discussing noona (and continuing to call everyone by their title rather than their name for the rest of the drama lol) whenever
dramajib: Hahaha sorry I'm just useless with names!
rocknghorss: No worries Ekta :) It’s all good! I can’t be bothered to learn names of characters nowadays... I’m too lazy
rocknghorss: I was wishing the other day that Seunggi’s character had a shorter name lol
@triangularlily: Doesn't Miho just call him Woong a lot of the time?
rocknghorss: Ooh you’re right. Kristin you’re awesome. My thumbs thank you lol
triangularlily: Hahaha you’re welcome.
<note: at this point some of us hadn’t yet finished watching episode 4…>
dramajib: Since we're all done with three: KRISTIN, I TAKE BACK everything I said about noona. What a cunt!
rocknghorss: LOL
triangularlily: LMAO EKTA.
triangularlily: Like she is horrible but I kind of like her actually? When she is tired of waiting for Woong so she just drives away??
rocknghorss: Man-child Woong and Noona kinda deserve each other right now…
triangularlily: I guess I like that she isn’t like bending over backwards to get the guy like a lot of second leads do she is like super confident and scheming about it instead. But maybe I will take back my words too cause I really don’t remember her character at all
dramajib: I was SO PISSED with noona's dress scheme in episode 3, hence my indignation. Like, fine, I was all on her side at first because it IS ridiculous the way Dae Woong is behaving out of the blue and not giving legit reasons. I did love how she drove away.
But when she pulled the dress thing, when she KNEW she wasn't wearing that dress, and she let him lose his chance at auditioning, she lost me as a fan cos that's just cruel. You know this is the big break he's been working towards, and if you really cared about him you wouldn't sabotage that just to throw shade on your competition
rocknghorss: I both hated and enjoyed her pettiness. Just like Kristin said, I kinda liked that unlike many “villainous” second female leads, she was unrepentantly nasty to her “competition” and wasn’t shy about it. I hated it of course, because it was just gross and had the consequence of more meanness thrown Miho’s way
<...some time later…>
dramajib: Okay I just finished episode 4, and I'm wavering again about Noona. Like, everything she says to Dae Woong about wanting him to be clear about his feelings is totally valid and fair. But the way she behaves about getting this lead role in the film is horrendous - and I don't quite understand why she calls him when she finds out that Mi Ho is the girl elevator guy had his eyes on
Hip Hop Guy, Guest Starring Ma Wang
dramajib: I am epicly confused by incongruent hip hop ost second male lead's deal. Is he just trying to restore balance? Kill Mi Ho? Steal her bead? Is he falling in love with her? Like what is going on there
rocknghorss: I’m watching 4 now. When you guys watched it did it seem like the monk knew that hip-hop guy was some sort of Demon Hunter/supernatural being?
triangularlily: Hmmm idk like he seemed very matter of fact about it like oh u can put the fox back nice!
rocknghorss: Right? It was kind of weird but I guess if the monk does actually believe in a nine tailed fox, why wouldn’t he believe that some random veterinarian could bring the fox back to the painting? Lol
dramajib: I love that his name is now hip hop guy. We’re so good at naming characters
rocknghorss: Lol. We are
dramajib: But didn’t Mi Ho call him a fake monk?
rocknghorss: Ooh, you’re right! But maybe that was supposed to be an insult, since he’s been keeping her captive in the painting?
dramajib: Yeah, that’s what I thought at first too. Also cos he keeps telling her story potentially incorrectly?
triangularlily: Oh true yeah
dramajib: Maybe hip hop guy gave them the painting in the first place? Cos he also gave them to the temple dog to guard it?
rocknghorss: I don’t know guys. Hip-hop guy’s backstory is the most confusing so far
dramajib: Right?? Cos I’m like.. Who even is this guy? He’s been passing as human since before Mi Ho got trapped in the painting, which means the girl he killed was even before that, so is he like in exile now? Is he good? Bad? On a different moral scale altogether?
triangularlily: I’m really trying to remember but can’t
dramajib: lol not the most memorable villain I guess. If he even counts as a villain.
triangularlily: I think he’s technically the second male lead lol
rocknghorss: Hm. Maybe he’s being punished like in Hwayugi. The way Iron Fan was?
dramajib: Oh noooo the Iron Fan thing was TRAGIC I don’t want to sit through that again!! Ma Wang being mopey in his little throne room ugh
rocknghorss: Ugh yeah. Everything about Hwayugi was tragic.
dramajib: Well not everything. Ma Wang’s fashion gave me life
triangularlily: Lmao
rocknghorss: Lolol Fashion was good, it’s true. But how is he the second lead if he’s trying to kill/capture Miho is what I want to know
triangularlily: Lmao
dramajib: Well he loved Mi Ho’s lookalike, so I can see him starting to grow fond of Mi Ho. And like, try to keep spiritual beings together instead of letting her fraternize with humans
triangularlily: Yeah I think its something that develops and maybe we should talk more after u finish 4 Marie
triangularlily: Cause there is some development in that area in ep 4
rocknghorss: Ah. Oky doky!
<...some more time later…>
rocknghorss: I finally finished episode 4 you guys! And started episode five!
rocknghorss: And I find it super cute that the way the audience is supposed to know Miho is falling in ~love~ is that she wants to feed/eat with Woong, not just freeload off him
dramajib: I love her interaction with the neighbourhood mean girl ahjumma. And the whole hunting down coupons thing
rocknghorss: Yes! Mean girl ahjumma was hilarious. Her voice was perfect lol
dramajib: Did finishing episode 4 give you any further insight into hip-hop guy?
rocknghorss: Ehhh. Hip hop guy is pitiful. I’d like to understand why his role appears to be “monster hunter” because that was still not cleared up unless I missed something. But I can definitely see why he’s billed as the second male lead. He’s got it bad for her, in his own way
dramajib: I assume we get more of his back story? Because as it stands, it seems like the way he's hunting her down is probably the big plot point, and I don't really get it yet either
rocknghorss: I think we do? I can’t really remember. He seems to lack a lot of urgency in getting her back to the temple tho. Like if it was that big of a deal why is he slowing around and letting her decide on her to go back?
triangularlily: Yeah I cant remember either I think we do
triangularlily: *get more backstory I mean
dramajib: At first it seemed like he'd been waiting to catch her forever. Then it seemed like he was guarding society and making sure she's safely locked up. Now it's like he's hunting her for his own pleasure. So confused
rocknghorss: That’s exactly why I said hip hop Guy was pitiful btw. I think he likes her or is confusing her with her previous incarnation(??) and is struggling not to confuse his feelings for the other girl with Miho. So he’s got this artificial choice of duty or love, but he doesn’t even know Miho really.
triangularlily: Yeah he also has been by himself for so long. Like the whole can’t make human connection thing
rocknghorss: Yeah!
dramajib: The connection thing - was living with humans his choice, or forced on him? And if it was his choice, he's also chosen to live isolated, soooo… Not that I don't feel bad for him, I'm just being contrary for the sake of it
triangularlily: Yeah I just mean I can see how he became a bit twisted is all
dramajib: That whole scene where he's sitting with her in his house and telling her what her options are was sad. But I also don't trust him so I'm like... Are you just telling her things so that she'll choose to do what you want her to?
Ending On A Less Angsty Note
dramajib: But I also love that grandpa loves Mi Ho without even meeting her yet
rocknghorss: Yupo. He’s just super enamored that someone was able to make his grandson grow up. Grandpa doesn’t want much lol Also! I like that he doesn’t rib Aunt too much about her crush. Even though she’s wayyy too into it (again apparently lol)
dramajib: Lol aunt and elevator guy are great though. I can't wait for his daughter to find out that Dae Woong is going to be her cousin
@dramajib: This fashion is slightly killing me already
@rocknghorss: HIS HAIR!!! Also at one point I swear Daewoong is wearing pants with reinforced knees....
dramajib: hahahaha I have not seen those pants yet. But also, how YOUNG does he look
rocknghorss: He’s definitely got the baby face :D I’d forgotten til I started watching that Seunggi was in this and Hwayugi so it’s kind of blowing my mind how much younger he looks here
dramajib: Right?! Like I wouldn't say he looks grown up or anything in Hwayugi but then you compare it to this and you're like oh shit, no, boy def grew up
@triangularlily: It takes me back cause around when this came out was when I first started watching kdramas. Like also the phones lol
rocknghorss: lol I think what’s also super amusing is the lack of product placement. I think I’ve seen one scene so far that was probably PPL (when Miho takes the soda?beer? From the random guy on the street)
The Elevator Guy
rocknghorss: So far I’m loving the Aunt and her flirtation with sunglasses guy as much as I did the first time and I’m not sure what that says about me :D
triangularlily: Lmao I always side eyed that a bit but I think it was just second hand embarrassment from some of the situation the aunt was in lol
rocknghorss: Lol yes. The elevator thing had me cringing and laughing
dramajib: Is the sunglasses guy from the elevator just a cameo or does he reappear, do you guys know?
rocknghorss: Oh he’s a recurring character
The Boar Thing
dramajib: I'm at the bit with the boar and all I can think of is the boar scene in Habaek. Was that meant to be a flashback to this?! Are the production teams at all related between the two?
rocknghorss: Hahaha I’m not alone! Maybe Habaek was making fun of this?? Or maybe there really is some Korean folklore about being chased by a boar in a forest??
dramajib: I tried to Google the wild boar thing and am getting nothing. Kristin, any idea?
triangularlily: I've seen it pop up in a few dramas, and in some sageuks. I think it's kind of the equivalent of running into like a bear or cougar on a hike. I mean maybe not quite as dangerous but trope wise
rocknghorss: Interesting. I was wondering if it was like that thing Japanese animes do when a character has done or said something stupid, they’ll have crows flying overhead...
triangularlily: In terms of the boar scene tho like it was way more believable here I think (even tho still campy) than in Habaek
rocknghorss: Same. I liked how smug Miho was about it, rather than both of them freaking out.
triangularlily: And it was mostly a real boar and not cgi
dramajib: true that
More Ageing
dramajib: I'm into the second episode finally and
a) can't stop giggling at that second male villain dude's hair, and
b) how funny would it be if Dae Woong became like a folklore professor because he got so into researching Gumiho stuff?
c) hypothesizing isn't half as much fun when the two of you already know what happens!
d) that old timey flashback scene of where he stabs her(? her lookalike? What was that?) was so. much. cheese. Like I am constantly so aware that this drama was made years ago
rocknghorss: Lol. There’s definitely some shots that remind me of like Blair Witch Project from the 90s and it’s supposed to be mysterious/scary but all I can do is laugh.
rocknghorss: Also! I wouldn’t say that I remember this drama so well that I don’t want to speculate lol. I am totally at a loss for why that guy is chasing down Miho with that weird blade. But I am enjoying his very basic hip hop music cue
triangularlily: Speaking of music I forgot how much i used to love the main like theme the "doobie doobie do da ah"or whatever. Was my fav kdrama ost song for a long time
rocknghorss: Mine too!!!
Overall Thoughts
dramajib: Okay I think overall thoughts from me for the first two eps: the age of this drama really shows very strongly from time to time, but mostly in an endearing way, rather than a cringey way, if that makes sense?
triangularlily: Yeah I agree
dramajib: I also feel like the characters are unlikely to become very complex - they seem pretty one dimensional to me so far, but still likeable. I just don't remember deep character development in kdramas being a thing until quite recently, but correct me if I'm wrong and you know of any counterexamples!
dramajib: Also I have no idea what our actual driving storyline is yet, but I am so invested in Dae Woong's aunt and the elevator guy, like way more than I should be.
dramajib: And last point - I feel sad for the noona who Dae Woong has a thing with. I remember her from... Flower Boy Next Door, I think? Where she had a similar undeserved lack of love?
triangularlily: She was really selfish and mean in that show tho. But yeah so far she is just like minding her own business. I can’t remember her character at all in this one
dramajib: Oh actually now that you mention it, yeah! She bullied the main lead in school or something didn't she? Not sure how I forgot all that
triangularlily: This is my favorite shin min ah role tho I think mi ho is so cute
rocknghorss: she really is :)
dramajib: So far I still like her best in Arang and the Magistrate - but we are only two episodes in, so who knows!
We here at SMK are putting our schedules in order and getting ready to watch a drama together again. We’re not sure if you’ve noticed, but we’re pretty bad at picking dramas to watch together, so we’d like to ask you all to help us out!
Let us know what you’d like us to watch and recap! It can be anything, as long as it’s not too long (Marie suggested Queen Seon Deok not realizing it was 62 episodes long!!) and not too hard for us to find. Give us your best recs!
@dramajib: I'm about to check for subs again but wanted to posit an alternate theory - amnesia! Can't believe none of us considered that as a possibility
dramajib: Hah omg what is this show.
(a couple of minutes later)
dramajib: Omg I cannot with this show. Why are we not watching this together in real time ugh
@rocknghorss: Lol. So we can share our misery?
dramajib: For real. I bet you'll know which moment it was once it happens too
rocknghorss: (a bit later) Is PK dying????
rocknghorss: Oh he’s not. Geez.
@triangularlily: Ekta I think I did mention amnesia once before but I can't remember the context I think I was talking about possible endings but maybe I dreamed it
triangularlily: Did u finish episode 19?
triangularlily: I guess Ekta might have gone to bed tho
rocknghorss: Yup I fast forwarded it through it and was glad I did
triangularlily: Lol I skipped thru it too
rocknghorss: 👍
rocknghorss: I want to start ep 20 but the subs are only at 80%
rocknghorss: And I’m super pissed that Seon Mi basically just sacrificed herself and didn’t even get to fight the dragon herself!!!
triangularlily: Yeah it was just a mess really I felt like it was a fail on all sides like I don't understand the motivation behind the deities. Like why can't they just let Son Oh Gong deal with it because in the end he did, not Seon Mi. If you’re gonna act like there isn't an alternative then don't make the alternative actually happen!
rocknghorss: Exactly!
triangularlily: And since she hasn't really completed her summons what will happen now?!?
rocknghorss: Oh! Like will the dragon come back??
triangularlily: Oh idk maybe that too. I meant like will she just endlessly reincarnate as Sam Jang or something?
triangularlily: Since the whole point of her being Sam Jang was to stop the dragon and then she would be normal right? And dead but u know. But she didn't defeat it
triangularlily: Also I couldn't take the dragon fight seriously at all cause the cgi was so bad
triangularlily: 😐😧 <--- me watching the dragon
rocknghorss: LOL
rocknghorss: they spent all the money on eps 1-18
triangularlily: LOL probably
rocknghorss: It did look like something from a 90s movie
triangularlily: They don't have to spend a lot of money they could have made it a shadow or cloud or something with a vague dragon shape that probably would have looked better and be scarier
rocknghorss: :D I think they gave up on making anyone or anything scary around the halfway mark... also I think I may have to actually go back and watch all of ep19 cause I just realized I don’t know what happened to Ah Sa Nyeo
triangularlily: I don't think they showed it? Last they showed she was with ice general in like a field and she was just looking up at the sky I think? Before Son Oh Gong defeated the dragon?
triangularlily: But I was skipping so I might have missed it
rocknghorss: Yeah that’s the last bit I remember too
rocknghorss: Maybe they’ll address it in ep20
The SMK folks react to Episode 20
rocknghorss: Well I got halfway through episode 20 and I guess we’re getting some kind of closure :/
rocknghorss: but not the closure we deserve!!! 😤😤
triangularlily: Lol ok actually kind of glad I don't like the show cause if I did that ending would have been terrible. What a train wreck
dramajib: (finally getting up) AHH I haven't watched 20 yet because the subs weren't out when I went to bed!
dramajib: But yes the dragon appearing was when I completely lost it. What WAS that omg. The show has done kitschy before but that was just...
dramajib: I'm sure Sam Jang comes back. Also I'm sure the Asanyeo / BuJa situation gets a better resolution in the last episode - my burning question from episode 19 was more about Kang Dae Sung. Dude just runs away? Like he goes on and on about wanting to rule the world and then he sees that terribad CGI dragon and gets scared?
dramajib: Also this isn't the first time he's killed someone himself, he killed BuJa, so why did that freak him out?
triangularlily: They show what happens to him in ep 20
rocknghorss: My overwhelming reaction is WTF
dramajib: Hahaha have you both already finished ep 20?? I'm so excited to watch it tonight now. In a "so bad it's good" way
rocknghorss: Yep totally done and now I’m gonna screen cap!
rocknghorss: also re: Prof Kang! He’s a total wuss. He talks like he’s serious about this taking over the world nonsense but then when Ah Sa Nyeo gives him what he needs he realizes he’s not that bad after all... he was an oddly 1-dimensional villain.
triangularlily: I mean they didn't ever give him much depth besides the I'm a selfish murderer with big ambitions
rocknghorss: Yeah, I’m just disappointed in how 1D he ended up being. I thought they were going to make him the real bad guy of the story, especially considering how soft and cuddly our resident devil Ma Wang ended up being.
dramajib: I'm settling in to watch the last episode now. I can't believe we really made it this far. Especially after the CGI dragon of episode 19. Although the bells are still worse than the dragon imo
dramajib: Also: Winter General has some warped ass ideas of moral righteousness
The End
dramajib: Ugh the WORST ENDING FOR BUJA what is this shit
(after processing things for a bit)
dramajib: You know, I thought that was a useless ending. The show basically had two out of the ten weeks that I loved, and the rest varied between horrific and meh. For me it was carried by the great characters, and the fact that it wasn't predictably the same as every other show - but that doesn't always mean it was different in a good way
dramajib: So now I'm about to mark it as completed on mydramalist and... I have no idea how to rate it out of 10
rocknghorss: Zero seems appropriate
dramajib: Hahahaha I just laughed so hard I snorted. Did you really hate it???
rocknghorss: Lol I didn’t hate it no, it was just a waste of talent. And the Hong Sisters have disappointed me!!!
rocknghorss: On the whole it was just consistently an odd little drama that didn’t seem to know how to make the stakes high or give the audience any emotional pay off. The baddies were USELESS at making me worried, the demons (except for the child killing one :/) were interesting but also not scary, and the one super interesting story line that was in there was cut short
rocknghorss: #BuJa deserved better 2018
triangularlily: BuJa really deserved better
triangularlily: I wish I hadn't been right about that one
rocknghorss: Yeah. I mean I guess I understand what they were going for?? “You can’t escape fate” (unless you’re the Great Sage)
triangularlily: I just was at least hoping we could see her again but we never did
triangularlily: I just wanted some closure for her
rocknghorss: Yeah. As I think about it more I feel like Hwayugi is a pretty sad drama actually
triangularlily: Yeah I'm glad I didn't ship the main two cause I would probably be really mad at that ending if I did
rocknghorss: Their story was both pitiful and confusing which is a terrible combo
triangularlily: I feel like I dodged a bullet by not getting too invested in the show lol
dramajib: So yeah. Really not a great ending. I'm okay with the ending between Seon Mi and Oh Gong, but for the rest of the characters it's a let down.
rocknghorss: At least Ma Wang was able to “save” Iron fan, and spend time with his son
dramajib: Ya and her being a flower means her last reincarnation will be a short one before she goes back to heaven
rocknghorss: I think that was one actually positive thing about the finale
dramajib: I mean I actually like that Oh Gong is off to cause mayhem somewhere else. A happily ever after type ending doesn't seem right for that character
rocknghorss: :/ I guess so… I think I was more invested in Oh Gong/Seon Mi than I wanted to admit cause I was not ok with him proverbially riding off into the sunset.
rocknghorss: Like why does Seon Mi have to return to the underworld? She could’ve stayed by his side as a ghost!
dramajib: I was half expecting him to just replace the star with one that lets her stay around forever tbh
dramajib: And I didn't like mayor's ending either. The hell is he going to do with a haunted house reformation real estate agency if he can't reform haunted houses
dramajib: It's not like Winter General will help... Honestly, Winter General invokes a complicated response in me. It's not that I don't like him but ugh
rocknghorss: idk, Seon Mi saw a nice future for him so maybe PK and the others will help out from time to time. And agreed, Winter General is still not all that awesome to me
dramajib: Ugh PK just reminds me of Bu Ja and I cannot
rocknghorss: Yeah there’s a lot of “what could’ve been” feelings I’m having about Bu Ja. I think they were going for poetic justice by killing Prof Kang the way they did. But it didn’t work for me at all
rocknghorss: Oh yeah! Were you guys surprised that the main two did actually end up having sex? Cause I kinda was. I didn’t expect that at all, but I liked that having sex didn’t rid Seon Mi of her powers or other nonsense like that
dramajib: I didn't like it, but not because of the actual sex aspect of it
dramajib: It was just like... Oh Gong knew Seon Mi was doing it as a "things I may not get to do if you leave me when our love ends" thing, but he also knew that their love WAS real
rocknghorss: That’s a good point. I hadn’t really thought of that aspect of it. Even more surprising then that he would do such a thing. Because he spent a lot of time trying to shield her from harm... so why leave her in the dark about the thing that mattered most???
dramajib: It's like... I don't know if you guys read comic books, but I do a lot for work (it's totally research I swear) and there's a storyline now between Rogue and Gambit of the X-men and they're talking about their long romantic history and Rogue hates that their first kiss happened when they were under mind control. So even though their feelings are real, it's all a bit tainted for her by that manipulation
rocknghorss: Rogue and Gambit?!?! I have fallen off the X-men bandwagon in a big way
dramajib: I mean I guess he knew he might die, so he wanted to do it too while he could. But honestly the only things I thought about during that scene were a) oh god they finally have sex, this is three weeks in a row I refuse to be the one who brings it up or Tumblr is going to think I'm thirsty af
dramajib: And b) he is SO THIN damn.
rocknghorss: Glad I saved you lol
dramajib: ❤️❤️
rocknghorss: Anywho, thinking about it again, manipulating people is right up the Great Sage’s alley, so I guess it isn’t surprising after all. It’s just more evidence that their romance is a sad one
dramajib: Yeah. I'm glad he found love. I just don't understand why it's her. Like even when they go on a "date" that one day she's back from the dead, and it's a chance for them to do all the things they love, there's actually nothing there for them to do
dramajib: Like he says, all they did was by product of vanquishing evil spirits. It wasn't a date. Even the tteokbokki was what SHE liked eating, he just did it because he wanted to make her happy.
dramajib: I'd like to believe the Hong sisters were emphasizing that point but it doesn't feel impactful enough to be intentional
rocknghorss: I mean my faith in the Hong sisters is a bit shaken. There’s a chance that they meant to make Seon Mi about as interesting as junk mail
triangularlily: I think they just suck at adapting stories
rocknghorss: There’s that possibility too yep,
dramajib: I thought it was an interesting adaptation at first. But that derailed as the story progressed
triangularlily: I think it just was really forced
dramajib: I did often wonder how Lee Seung Gi felt about playing Oh Gong after his stint in Journey to the West
rocknghorss: You mean the variety show Ekta?
dramajib: Yeah
dramajib: Like I know that's not really got very much to do with the legend apart from the silly costumes and penalties but still. It seems like that's a show he does with his buddies, and I just wondered what sort of conversations he must be having with them, how they must be ribbing him when they meet up and stuff
rocknghorss: I’m sure they are :D especially if these are the same buddies as in 1 night 2 days
rocknghorss: So are either of you lamenting Lee El taking another secondary role the way I am?
triangularlily: Like she's in something else or as her role in hwayugi
rocknghorss: Her role in Hwayugi
triangularlily: I think if she was just a secretary but she's a lot more than that
triangularlily: I still am wishing for an alternative show tho where her and Ma Wang actually got to be the villains
rocknghorss: Lol
triangularlily: I think that would have been great
dramajib: Gosh yes that would have been lovely. To see them actually doing stuff instead of just talking about it and signing contracts
triangularlily: I just wanted to see them as scheming evil villains I can imagine it and it's amazing
dramajib: I think she shines in the roles she takes - I don't know that I've seen a leading role that would let her show as much, if you know what I mean? There are some strong complex female leads, but most of the time they're just one dimensional, and I think she takes on roles that allow her to be so much more, within so little time
triangularlily: Yeah I feel like the roles she takes are all so different. Idk if I've actually seem her in another secretary role
rocknghorss: I could totally see a web drama spin off of the two of them actually being somewhat evil. Also, I think I agree with you guys but I’m more sad that the truly complex female lead roles are few and far between AND she doesn’t get them... basically I’m a Lee El fan and I want her to have all the things
dramajib: I actually want to see her as an evil second lead female
dramajib: Or maybe not even evil. I think my favourite second female of recent time has been Go Joon Hee in She Was Pretty. Like a badass no nonsense sassy bff
dramajib: Or rival
rocknghorss: that would be interesting for sure. I don’t even know if I’ve seen her in a role like that
rocknghorss: I finally looked up the wiki summary of Journey to the West, and is Seon Mi supposed to be the Monk?
dramajib: Yeah I believe so. It's a bit odd
triangularlily: They did say Sam jang is a monk I think like the original or something
rocknghorss: what an odd choice... I mean having her die in the end then rather than being rewarded in some fashion
dramajib: Well presumably he'll save her. We just don't get to see it
rocknghorss: Yeah… I'm a bit salty about this. The girl gets no character development, her bf only confirms that he loves her after she dies, and her reward is to wait for her bf to find and save her, and who knows how long that'll take
dramajib: For real. The worst of it is that she starts off a little sassy, and I know the actress does sassy well
dramajib: But do we get to see that? Noooo
(Posting this late was totally my fault!! Sorry everyone! ~Marie)
We made it through our watch of Hwayugi, and hope you all enjoyed the journey. Send us an ask and let us know if you have suggestions for what we should watch next, as we are apparently not very good at choosing stuff to watch together. :P
@dramajib I don't see how they're going to wrap all this up without it feeling anticlimactic honestly. Like the last we hear is that Oh Gong, by defeating the Geumganggo on his own, has created an opportunity to change fate. Which fits in with the Son Oh Gong of legends who is constantly defying the gods and the restrictions they try to impose on him
dramajib: But given how Sam Jang's duty/task has been this huge overarching driving force, I just don't see how they'll build it up enough in two episodes and knock it down without it just being another "haha jk easy fix" thing
dramajib: Another thing I wanna talk about is Ma Wang and also Bu Ja so holla when you guys are up
@rocknghorss: About Ma Wang... I’m feeling sympathetic toward him again
@triangularlily: Can I just say I wasn't paying too much attention to the episode and I was about ready to quit when I thought they had actually killed the secretary dog whose name I'm forgetting
triangularlily I was like THIS IS THE LAST STRAW
rocknghorss Lolol
A Potentially Boring Ending?
rocknghorss: I was worried but then I realized that this show has never killed or seriously injured any of the main characters
rocknghorss: Kinda like what Ekta was saying earlier, the ending is probably going to be wildly boring unless they don’t let Oh Gong circumvent fate after all and Sam Jang kills him
rocknghorss I think her name is Secretary Ma btw
triangularlily: Ok I thought that's what it was too
triangularlily: Maybe there will be some kind of twist like I haven't found the show really that predictable maybe because it's so wacky
rocknghorss: Wacky is a good word for it
triangularlily: Also I know I kept harping on about wanting the guegensjskaong bracelet thing off but like it's too late at this point I think their romance won't ever do it for me
triangularlily: Like I am glad his feelings are real but it's just too late at this point
rocknghorss: His feelings are real but what are they based on is my issue!? Because the version 1.0 model forced obedience upon whoever wore it
triangularlily: Yeah that is a good point
triangularlily: Actually a really interesting idea that probably won't be explored in the show
triangularlily: Like for me they must never developed the romance/their feelings like they put the bracelet on and tada! he loves her! Like how am I supposed to be invested or believe in that
triangularlily: In the beginning of the show I thought maybe they would take the bracelet off and then they would kind of start over in their relationship and fall in love for real like sometimes what kdramas do with amnesia plots but like that's not what happened
rocknghorss: Their romance I think is really tough to believe cause of what you said earlier and also because they don’t really know each other. Who is Jin Seon Mi really? All I know about her is that she really likes the fact that there’s finally someone who likes her despite (or because of?) her magical powers. And that’s a sad basis for a relationship.
dramajib: I think that’s a good point - I don’t have trouble believing their feelings for each other, but I just don’t care. And that’s mostly because Seon Mi as a character hasn’t been fleshed out. This sudden “I’m going to empty my heart of love and save the world” thing just makes no sense to me, it just seems like a way to keep the story moving
triangularlily: I think they def are just trying to keep the story moving. I was glad tho that she seems to be the only one who cares about Bu Ja rather than PK rn
triangularlily: Also I rather wish she had powers since the beginning I kind of like that addition to her character even if it’s just more of a plot device
dramajib: Back to Ma Wang for a quick sec - I wondered if him being so gullible and easy to trick had anything to do with him being the (a?) devil. Combined with how he’s so softhearted just seems like an interesting personality choice for this character. Like we do see him being cold and harsh, but it never last very long and he’s obviously the biggest softy and everyone knows it.
rocknghorss: Ma Wang, kinda like Oh Gong, is ultimately harmless. They’ve even dialed back Ah Sa Nyeo’s diabolical plans and made her seem almost sympathetic. i really hope that whatever plan Oh Gong has up his sleeve also is meant to save BuJa too— it’s irritating that it’s only been PK and Octopus(?) that have seemed to care for the last ~8 episodes.
rocknghorss: Oh yeah, and Seon Mi too, when the writers let her care about something other than Oh Gong
triangularlily: I’m just really worried they’re gonna give the shaman some kind of redemption arc and she like agrees to be burned or something and BuJa just is like gone
rocknghorss: Let’s hope not!!!
rocknghorss: Also, going back to what you said last week Kristin… this show has so many side plots! It’s pretty amazing that they’re all fairly (?) relevant to the overall plot. Even Jason (that was his name right?) had a part to play in showing that Seon Mi could have a fairly normal human life if she found the right person.
triangularlily: Yeah, I think maybe that’s why it’s not living up to my expectations of a Hong sister’s drama. I think it’s too complicated and maybe because it’s an adaption of something. Maybe they’re just a lot better at writing their own stories.
rocknghorss: that’s an interesting idea. I never thought of it like that. They also did an adaptation of Chunhyang back in the day right?
triangularlily: Oh idk. I haven’t seen it!
rocknghorss: Well all I really recall about it is that it was boring lol.
triangularlily: Well maybe I’m right then lol
rocknghorss: Ekta will you tell me what you meant earlier about Ma Wang being a/the devil and being gullible?
dramajib: I just noticed that of all the characters, he seems to be the one who gets painted as this dumb foolish guy a lot, someone you can easily put one over
dramajib: Like even with PK, it’s only the BuJa angle that allows him to be manipulated. But with Ma Wang it’s love, and then pride, and envy and family, and whole gamut of things that let people lead him on and allow him to be very susceptible to suggestion
dramajib: I mean, yes, he does eventually catch on and shake it off and get back to bad business, but mostly there’s this quality of gullibility attached to him that we don’t really see in the other characters as much - and it made me think about how in all the folk stories we always hear about the devil being tricked or outsmarted so that good triumphs over evil in the end.
dramajib: I know the other characters do get tricked and manipulated too, the main premise of the show is supposed to be about Seon Mi and Oh Gong’s feelings being manipulated, but it doesn’t have that same quality of “look how stupid this creature is lol” to it as it does with Ma Wang… Or maybe that’s just be being partial to Cha Seung Won again
rocknghorss: No lol. I don’t think it’s the CSW bias. I guess my only point of contention (if it can even be called that) is that as the devil, Ma Wang may be doing such a poor job at tempting people and is so easily tricked himself is because he’s a devil who was trying to become a deity.
dramajib: Re BuJa (because I was asleep when you guys discussed it, because time zones ugh): I wonder if her mom actually died, or was just transferred somewhere else. The translations for that bit seemed a bit off.
dramajib: If they are giving Ah Sa Nyeo a redemption arc, maybe she’ll sacrifice her soul to make BuJa human again or something like that. it still seems a bit unsatisfactory though. I will be sad to not get BuJa back, but can’t think of a way for them to do it that wouldn’t frustrate me. Unless she comes back, stays a zombie, but becomes a pop star and the energy she gets from her concerts keep her going?
dramajib: I want her to do it on her own, you know? Not just because someone helped her. As sweet as PK is with her. But he mentioned something about hoping Ah Sa Nyeo becomes good so he can make her his little sister too, so who knows how things are going to go.
rocknghorss: Bu Ja did want to become a popstar didn’t she? I’d forgotten about that. But in terms of Ah Sa Nyeo and redemption, my prediction is that she’ll get one and it’ll paint her in a super sympathetic light and Prof. Kang will go down (but not die!) and somehow BuJa will be reincarnated.
triangularlily: I just want BuJa back somehow and not forgotten
@triangularlily: I'm trying to watch ep 17. Ugh I'm getting more and more frustrated with this show
@rocknghorss: 😢
triangularlily: Also I was gonna watch 18 but the subs aren't done -_-
rocknghorss: Are even the subbers getting frustrated?
triangularlily: Maybe lol
@dramajib: I still can't put my finger on why this show isn't winning for me. I love many of the characters. It's visually stunning (most of the time, shooting stars aside). The campiness is just the right amount for my tastes. The story isn't super predictable
dramajib: So why do I get so frustrated with it all the time??
rocknghorss: I think I'm frustrated because all the pieces are there, but the cracktastic flavor of their earlier dramas is just missing
dramajib: Could it be because we're watching it as it airs rather than bingeing the whole thing?
rocknghorss: Maybe? It is easier to get caught up in the hype when you watch something all in one go round
triangularlily: No I watched Master’s Sun as it came out and it wasn't like this
dramajib: Maybe it's a SMK curse. Maybe we should watch something non-fantasy that none of us are excited about next so we don't get disappointed lol
triangularlily: LOL yeah....
rocknghorss: that's just asking for trouble :D
rocknghorss: Question! Did either of you ever watch/read Inuyasha?
triangularlily: No
triangularlily: I know of it tho
rocknghorss: Ah. Well, it's extremely similar to Hwayugi. The main protag is a girl who develops magical powers due to a demon-boy/ she was always going to have magical powers anyway. They have adventures, she's meant to save people/the world etc etc
triangularlily: Oooh interesting
rocknghorss: Yep. The most interesting bit is that the girl makes the demon obey her with a necklace.
rocknghorss: B/c otherwise he'd kill her... and of course eventually they fall in love
dramajib: Oh! That's a bit disappointing to me actually - I'd thought this was an innovative take on the Journey to the West story, but it seems like they've just meshed the two together then, by taking some characters and back stories of one and combining with the other
dramajib: Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's just not as new as I'd thought I guess
rocknghorss: Agreed. It's another entry into the "Magical Girl" trope, which is, like you said, not a bad thing. I actually really loved Inuyasha back when it was airing, but the anime had the advantage of literally hundreds of episodes to explore its mythology, as well as a baddie who was actually frightening (while we have BuJa/Ah Sa Nyeo and all I can think about when I see her is "Will BuJa ever come back?")
triangularlily: Yeah when will Bu Ja come back
rocknghorss: :/
rocknghorss: I feel like she's going to come back in the very last episode and then die.
rocknghorss: which is awful!!!!
triangularlily: I just feel like no one seems to care that she's still like gone
triangularlily: Like everyone was so worried before what happened
rocknghorss: Yeah, they’re all distracted by the shaman to care too much about Bu Ja, with the exception of PK of course
triangularlily: I just feel like no one seems to care that she's still like gone
triangularlily: Like everyone was so worried before what happened
dramajib: NO don’t make her die!!! gosh Marie, that’s even worse than my everyone dying theory
rocknghorss: LOL
(a bit later)
dramajib: Just watching the episodes now. Can't believe I ever thought Ah Sa Nyeo would have a redemption arc. Also hold up. Isn't Kang Dae Sung wearing the coat Samjang saw Ma Wang crying over in her vision? Or am I just fashion challenged when it comes to plaid and tartan
dramajib: Oh. Oh dear. I guess not.
(Ekta chugged along like a trooper for a while...)
dramajib: Either I'm dumb, or something is lost in translation, or the writers had an idea in their heads that's not translating because I am so confused
rocknghorss: So I watched 17 and I'm halfway through 18. Yes to being confused and also things are getting resolved so quickly?!?!
rocknghorss: Also asianwiki says there's 20 eps but Viki says there's 19? Do you guys know which is correct?
triangularlily: Yeah i mean we are the last week so it seems like they are actually trying to wrap everything up
triangularlily: Oh I thought it was 20. But idk where I actually saw that
triangularlily: Idk why they would have 19. That's a really weird number for a kdrama
rocknghorss: Right? but Viki really only has 1 more ep listed as upcoming, so I don't know what to make of that
triangularlily: Probably just an error
rocknghorss: Probably so… but I got a little excited thinking that there was only 1 more ep to go after finishing 18 lol. And now... DONE!
dramajib: Lol well either way it's only a week more.
@dramajib: !!!! Just saw some caps on Tumblr and omg do they have sex for real this time?!?!
dramajib: I don't want to watch that!!
@triangularlily: I saw both episodes (tbh I skipped some parts) but I didn't see that
@rocknghorss: no they don't…
rocknghorss: i actually really wanted to talk about Oh Gong with you guys to get your thoughts.
dramajib: In what sense?
rocknghorss: Soo a few eps back when they were dealing with that demon that was killing children and stealing their souls, they didn't show it but Oh Gong punched that demon in the face. This is somewhat in line with his character (I guess?), but it rubbed me the wrong way considering that the other (male-appearing) demons he's helped defeat he didn't beat them up.
rocknghorss: In similar fashion, he loses his temper when Bu Ja takes over SamJang's body and tries to choke her! It seems like a pattern of violence that is made excusable because Oh Gong is technically not human
rocknghorss: Or am I reading too much into it?
triangularlily: Hmmm yeah I think for the two cases you mentioned like I thought it was maybe more cause Sam Jang was threatened by those two which is why he was more violent?? But like idk I don't feel good about it either
triangularlily: Like I just still don't care about the main two
triangularlily: I was only invested in Bu Ja and Ma Wang but Bu Ja isn't around and I'm annoyed by Ma Wang’s story rn idk
dramajib: The violence thing didn't jump out at me. If anything it seems a bit like they're trying to make a point that Oh Gong doesn't differentiate between men and women and demons, but will protect his own at all costs.
dramajib: But now that you've mentioned it, it is interesting that he hasn't gotten that violent with men. Except maybe the henchmen who threw Bu Ja off the roof
rocknghorss: Exactly!
Lagging Leads
dramajib: I like Samjang less and less as the story progresses - we don't get to see her being sassy or smart or anything anymore, she's just this drippy "so in love" mope-er. It doesn't seem fair that Oh Gong gets to be endearing when he's in love by showing his soft side, but she just turns into a wet rag
triangularlily: Yeah like there's nothing wrong with her I just don't care about her story like at all
rocknghorss: Agreed. I think it’s interesting that the Hong Sisters have made Sam Jang less of a person as the story goes along and more of a plot device. They may as well have had Sam Jang be an inanimate object that’s how much her being an actual person with actual feelings matters to the story
rocknghorss: And it’s rather at odds with their previous dramas??
rocknghorss: But at least the writers somewhat shine a light on how bizzare Sam Jang is acting by having her interact with her office manager- he’s the one who’s playing the role of the confused audience it seems to me
dramajib: Maybe they're attempting to distinguish between her Samjang powers and her as a human? So all the importance that anyone places on her is about her lotus blood, but the human Seon Mi is irrelevant?
dramajib: Like I don't think that's coming across very well, but maybe that was the intention?
rocknghorss: Maybe so? But if that’s the case, then why? Like what’s the message here? Is it “Gods/demons etc don’t care about humans”? Cause if so... well that’s been done to death.
dramajib: Maybe Seon Mi rises up above the power of Sam Jang at some point, to give the message of hope and strength or something sappy like that
dramajib: I should become a scriptwriter I'm so amused by my own theories 😂
rocknghorss: Lolol
triangularlily: I like that theory tho Ekta lol. I want to like and care about her as a character cause I feel like the potential is there
triangularlily: And like you said Marie, the Hong sister's usually have really great main characters.
rocknghorss: Yeah! Which is why Sam Jang is so disappointing I guess? Maybe they expended all their energy on Bu Ja lol.
triangularlily: I think it might be that the story is soooooooo complicated and all the side characters have such in depth stories that there just isn't room for a fully fleshed out main couple
rocknghorss: I really think you’re right cause I’m still (despite the shooting stars nonsense and Ma Wang believing in Ah Sa Nyeo’s crap promises 😤) invested in the Iron Fan x Ma Wang plot line
triangularlily: I mean it seems like almost everyone has their own backstory that doesn't necessarily revolve around or have anything to do with the main two.
triangularlily: Which now that I bring that up i realize that there are so many side characters names that I don't know
rocknghorss: Lol. Like the elder! I didn’t know he had a name or any importance until the stars thing!
dramajib: I identified so much with the elder when he was complaining about being put in charge of all the crazy demons
rocknghorss: lol. It felt true to life for you? 😊
dramajib: For real
rocknghorss: :) at least they don’t have magical powers lol
