that's it that's the post
I think I know what this is talking about but I am not sure
Jordan was carved from British Mandate Palestine, just like Israel, when it became a country in 1946, but nobody in the Free Palestine movement says it should be dismantled.
So it is (part of) what I thought it was
Is it not also true that Jordan has and has pretty much always had a VERY large population of people who are considered/considere themselves to be Palestinians? Like a decent chunk of the country’s population, in effect making Jordan a de facto Palestinian state
You get an A+
Jordan was in fact founded to be the Palestinian state (as much as anything could be before "Palestinian" was invented as movement identity, much less discrete and exempt culture. Palestinian meant anyone hanging out in the British Mandate, usually Jews. The other present cultures included flavors like Levantine Arab.)
It's a slight oversimplification maybe, but the reality is that in the 1940's the entire issue was not framed as it is now, which makes it especially egregious when people talk about it as if it's been Israelis vs Palestians since '48. Those just weren't the 2 involved parties, it's a major fallacy.
The wild thing about Jordan is that if everyone were being honest, if there wasn't a scam being run, is that the Israeli Palestinian conflict would hardly exist. I stand by that.
To give a bit of nuance, it's also more that the British gave the land to an Arab royal family (the Hashemites) to rule over. The Hashemites did once rule over a kingdom. So it's a bit like if some Imperial power decided to allocate a piece of land for a deposed German duke family (there's many from the former Holy Roman Empire) to rule
Yep. But if you say "hey y'all were literally installed by a colonial power" it doesn't go over well from what I hear
@illegitimatetenenbaum I'm dragging you out of the tags because this elephant should be addressed, too
Like people want to pretend Israel has not been trying to shake these territories off for decades. They never wanted to exert control in the first place because they never wanted to be responsible for a population that doesn't seek Israeli citizenship. You know, because they aren't a colonial power. And Jordan won't take them now, under any offer (including Jordan simply annexing the West Bank.) It's established they don't want to be Israeli, and despite the free PR ignorant people do for them, the current parties in control don't want to establish a state, either. Perpetual war is probably the goal. I literally don't blame current Jordan, and concur it's not a simple answer *today.* However, peace in the region will 100% have to include their involvement.
As an example, the PLO was founded pre-'69 as an anti-Jordanian group.




















