âBucky got custody of Joaquin!â
JoaquĂn is a grown man in his thirties.
Also if Joaquin was ever asked to choose, heâd choose Sam, because Sam is his hero. He hasnât shown any interest in Bucky at all. Fucking hell.

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âBucky got custody of Joaquin!â
JoaquĂn is a grown man in his thirties.
Also if Joaquin was ever asked to choose, heâd choose Sam, because Sam is his hero. He hasnât shown any interest in Bucky at all. Fucking hell.
One of the (admittedly many) things that piss me off when people try to diminish Sam and the Avengers heâs assembled (confirmed and speculated), is that everyone acts like they all need to be living together like the dumbass Thunderbolts, or doing missions on a permanent basis.Â
Thatâs never been what the Avengers in the MCU were. The Avengers always were off doing their own thing, had their own stories, friends, families, and lives outside of each other, and when the threat was big enough they ⌠assembled.Â
You canât âAvengers assembleâ for a galactic threat, if you spend every day together. You canât assemble if youâre already permanently assembled. Â
People acting like Shuri doesnât count as an Avenger because sheâs based in and focused on Wakanda? You never wouldâve said that about TâChalla in Infinity War. Thor was always coming and going too!  They assemble when the need is great enough.Â
We might all have our little headcanons when it comes time to write fics, etc. Itâs convenient to group people together in settings. Â But that doesnât change the in-universe canon state of things, where they live their own lives, until the come together. Â
Anthony shouldâve been smack dab in the middle!!
Look at Captain America and his Avengers đ (in my heart anyway lol) Fingers crossed that theyâre all on his team though!
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iâm sorry this is quite pedantic but also kinda notâŚanyway itâs been over a year of this can we please stop saying sam is suing the thunderbolts when he literally isnât? idc what the law looks like where you live, filing for trademark/copyright =/= suing, particularly in the specific context of the us. sam is being far more removed and cordial (as is applicable to his character, despite the way the rest of that sceneâand movieâis written with respect to everyone else) than anyone is implying by saying itâs a lawsuit.
A nasty comment all because I didn't think your little chicken joke post with Sam being "dumb" in it was funny. Being Black doesn't mean you can't write racist/antiblack content for Black characters. We see it all the time across all fandoms, especially in the MCU fandom. Also, those incorrect quotes are often bad, and they are usually terrible towards Sam. We've seen this for years, so please spare us the nonsense.
Sam Wilson is Captain America. đ¤
Every time the Sam and serum discourse rears it's head again, i remember that old clip of James McAvoy roasting the Avengers vs X-Men đ¤Łđ
"They've got a guy with a shield who's a bit strong? Okay, I tell you to sit down, you sit down. I tell you to make a cuppa tea, you make a cuppa tea."
Because really if we are being honest here, Sam is WAY more capable and versatile with his wings, than Steve could ever be as a super soldier. He's stuck on the ground for one, until someone gives him a boost.
Steve Rogers could never do this:
HELLOOOO THIS TRANSITION ATE OMG
Okay, so hereâs the thing â and Iâm going to say this clearly, with actual trauma theory behind it, because this whole situation has gotten way more dramatic than it needs to be.
Your argument about Sam is built on a fundamental misunderstanding of trauma theory, a collapse of categories, and a whole lot of misapplied clinical language. And thatâs not me being rude â thatâs just what happens when someone tries to apply clinical ethics and clinical safety standards to a nonâclinical relationship. And yes Iâm going to debate this because I apologized earlier because I didnât know better but after doing some research. You are not correct at all.
So letâs break this down properly.
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1. Your professorâs opinion isnât actually evidence
Iâm not saying your professor is wrong â Iâm saying they were probably never given the full picture.
If they didnât know about marvel beforehand and from the way you phrased that yes they agree with me!
You probably told them:
⢠a biased summary
⢠stripped of context
⢠framed through your interpretation
⢠without any canon details
⢠without the interpersonal dynamics
⢠without the mission context
⢠without the reciprocal banter
⢠without the emotional nuance
⢠without the power dynamics
Which you would know about
Your professor doesnât know Marvel.
They donât know Sam.
They donât know Bucky.
They donât know the circumstances.
They responded to your description, not the actual canon.
Thatâs not a traumaâinformed evaluation.
Thatâs just answering the question you fed them.
If you describe Sam as:
âa man who mocks a torture survivorâs trauma and calls him an enabler,â
âŚthen of course a trauma specialist will say:
âThatâs harmful.â
Because theyâre responding to your framing, not the actual events.
Thatâs not evidence.
Thatâs just appeal to authority, a classic logical fallacy, I almost fell for it.
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2. Youâre treating Sam like heâs Buckyâs therapist â he isnât
This is the core problem that you keep purposely ignoring.
Youâre applying:
⢠âDo No Harmâ
⢠traumaâinformed care ethics
⢠clinical attunement standards
⢠APA guidelines
⢠professional nonâmaleficence
âŚto a man who is:
⢠not Buckyâs clinician
⢠not his therapist
⢠not his caseworker
⢠not his supervisor
⢠not in a position of institutional power
And it does too matter because those care ethics, Do No Harm, APA guidelines and etc etc are all professional and clinical ethics and guidelines not for
Sam who is:
⢠a friend
⢠a peer
⢠a stressed veteran
⢠a grieving man
⢠a mission partner
Clinical safety â interpersonal safety.
Clinical safety requires:
⢠pacing
⢠attunement
⢠nonâmaleficence
⢠traumaâinformed practice
Interpersonal safety requires:
⢠trust
⢠reciprocity
⢠emotional presence
⢠nonâcoercive behavior
Sam meets interpersonal safety.
Raynor fails clinical safety.
Youâre collapsing two completely different categories.
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3. Sam cannot ârevictimizeâ Bucky because he has no power over him
Revictimization requires:
⢠coercion
⢠control
⢠surveillance
⢠punishment
⢠institutional authority
⢠reenactment of abuse dynamics
Raynor has all of these.
Sam has none.
Sam cannot:
⢠punish Bucky
⢠threaten him
⢠report him
⢠force disclosure
⢠mandate compliance
⢠control his freedom
⢠reenact Hydraâs dynamics
Samâs mistakes are interpersonal.
Raynorâs mistakes are systemic.
Equating them is not traumaâinformed â itâs category error.
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4. Your interpretation of the âenabled evilâ line ignores context
You keep saying:
âThere is NO possible alternative interpretation.â
But thatâs simply not true.
The full line is: âYouâre not making amends, youâre avenging. You were stopping people whose evil you enabled as the Winter Soldier.â
Sam is:
⢠frustrated
⢠grieving Steve
⢠overwhelmed
⢠speaking informally
⢠not in therapist mode
⢠not using clinical precision
Heâs trying to say: âYouâre punishing yourself instead of healing.â
Itâs a poorly worded line, not a moral condemnation that you also keep taking out of context, not saying the full line and acting like itâs that exact line.
Youâre treating it like a clinical statement.
It wasnât one. As someone who is studying English literature formally since we are using credentials as shields
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5. Your use of trauma theory is rigid and misapplied
You keep throwing around:
⢠fawn response
⢠structural dissociation
⢠ANP/EP
⢠dorsal vagal shutdown
⢠sympathetic activation
⢠polyvagal theory
âŚbut youâre applying them:
⢠without nuance
⢠without context
⢠without understanding interpersonal dynamics
⢠without understanding veteran humor
⢠without understanding attachment behavior
⢠without understanding canon
Real trauma clinicians do not diagnose fictional characters based on:
⢠sarcasm
⢠banter
⢠mission stress
⢠one poorly worded line
⢠a cookout scene
Youâre pathologizing normal interpersonal conflict.
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6. Buckyâs behavior around Sam is the opposite of fawning
Fawning looks like:
⢠appeasement
⢠silence
⢠compliance
⢠selfâerasure
⢠avoidance of conflict
But Bucky with Sam:
⢠argues
⢠teases
⢠rolls his eyes
⢠expresses frustration
⢠annoys Sam (as said in the essay like did you even read it)
⢠sets boundaries
⢠shows autonomy
⢠shows attachment
⢠shows emotional openness
⢠chooses to be around him
This is not fawning.
This is not shutdown.
This is not dorsal vagal collapse.
This is interpersonal safety.
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7. Your claim that Bucky is dissociated at the cookout is not supported by trauma literature
Dissociation usually looks like:
⢠blank affect
⢠glazed eyes
⢠shutdown
⢠detachment
⢠emotional numbing
⢠lack of engagement
Bucky at the cookout:
⢠smiles
⢠laughs
⢠engages
⢠helps
⢠relaxes
⢠connects
That is ventral vagal social engagement, not dissociation.
Youâre misinterpreting normal behavior as pathology.
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8. Youâre ignoring reciprocity â which is the biggest sign of safety
Samâs humor is:
⢠veteran humor
⢠mission stress humor
⢠reciprocal banter
⢠mutual teasing
And Bucky:
⢠jokes back
⢠teases Sam first
⢠argues
⢠pushes boundaries
⢠engages willingly
This is mutual.
This is reciprocal.
This is connected.
If Sam were unsafe, Bucky would:
⢠withdraw
⢠shut down
⢠freeze
⢠avoid
⢠appease
⢠comply
Like he does with Raynor
He does none of those things.
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9. Youâre using academic language to shut down discussion, not to illuminate it
Your tone is:
⢠absolutist
⢠moralizing
⢠condescending
⢠rigid
⢠overconfident
⢠dismissive
With multiple logical fallacies
Appeal to authority, Black and white thinking, straw-man, over generalization and using only Ethos to support your argument and appealing to emotion
This is not how trauma clinicians speak.
This is how someone speaks when they want to be right more than they want to be accurate. Yeah I saw that.
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Final Summary
Iâm not saying Sam is perfect. No human is! So hating him for it is cruel
Iâm not saying Sam never makes mistakes. Because every human does
Iâm not saying Sam always says the right thing. Because every trained therapists say the wrong things sometimes!
But your interpretation â that Sam is âjust as harmful as Raynorâ â is not supported by trauma theory, interpersonal psychology, or canon behavior.
Youâre collapsing clinical and interpersonal categories.
Youâre misusing trauma terminology.
Youâre pathologizing normal conflict.
Youâre ignoring power dynamics.
Youâre ignoring reciprocity.
Youâre ignoring context.
Youâre ignoring canon.
And youâre using your professorâs authority as a rhetorical weapon â even though they were never given the full picture. Also did you even READ my essay? I already addressed all these points but letâs do it again I guess
I corrected my earlier draft because I learned more.
I added nuance.
I improved my analysis.
Thatâs what actual research looks like.
Though your argument doesnât hold up under trauma theory, interpersonal psychology, or canon evidence.
Yes I am petty we all know this so I have posted stuff like this before remember the Percabeth debate my first ever essay sigh the memories and as always I am glad to take it down if the person asks but for now itâs staying up so yeah have fun my travelers!!
âSteve Rogers would support ICEâ âSteve Rogers would agree with ICEâ Steve Rogers? Oh, you mean this guy?
Sam Wilson loves to give speeches in general as Captain America. But he loves to give them to young black people even more.
He understands how they were raised because that's how HE was raised. To act like this, watch out for that, don't be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Don't be wrong at all. That they grew up scared. Don't be angry, keep your mouth shut! Your head low but your eyes still high. You can't mess up because we're all counting on you.
Reminding them that even if this is how things are, they shouldn't have to be. They are not what people tell them. They are brave and strong yes, but also gentle and beautiful. They are not anyone's enemies. They are not a number. They are kids.
Giving them a place to be able to express that. Organizing events for black teenagers and youth to come together and socialize and talk about their experiences. Where they're allowed to feel angry without being told they're aggressive. Talk in AAVE without being called stupid, or not talk with AAVE without being called "whitewashed." Where they can just be themselves. Where they can talk about their struggles and get help. Where they can be kids before they are black.
Because Sam knows, growing up, he could have used a place like that too.
This post was written by a black teenaged boy who loves Captain America. Please act civil.
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