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You won’t guess what reminded me I had this blog.
It's my 1 year anniversary on Tumblr 🥳
I do owe you professionalism.
Holy cow, is 2018 that awful of a year.
Two posts on a row.
What’s this? I wasn’t going to keep you waiting another year for an update. I think it’s quite fitting that one of the recentish pieces of content is Star Wars adjacent because it segues very well into retelling this story.
Part III: The Last Strawmen
We finally reached pre-modern Quinton and in order to understand how he ended up with no one on his corner by the end of the year we have to put the whole year of 2018 in context as it further serves to explain how his channel died for 2 years and eventually rose from the ashes of total irrelevance once he started to make multi-hour long videos.
Like all Internet slap fights the root is Star Wars. The Last Jedi is the movie of all time. My opinion, your opinion, any opinion here is irrelevant. What you need to remember is that it is a divisive movie, it made movie discourse online dreadful and how people used it for their own ends led to the current review ecosystem. Quinton loved TLJ and there are people in this story that didn’t, that’s all we need to proceed.
Q makes a positive review of it and people disagree in the comment section. Those people turned out to be Mauler and Rags, two thirds of what eventually became Every Frame a Pause, a podcast that can last almost an entire day. EFAP is yet another rabbit hole (sensing a pattern so far) that has become quite amusing over the years given Quinton now fills a very similar niche for a different demographic.
Is during this saga that Quinton would show one of his biggest character flaws and one that will remain with him throughout his career: his obsession with having the last word. EFAP would extend an invitation to have a debate over the merits of TLJ which Q declined (something he is fully within his right to do) but Q also insisted on generally being dismissive of them and taunting them. Q’s official statement as to why he refused to accept talking 1-on-1 was that he wouldn’t waste his time explaining that they didn’t understand what subjectivity is, in quite a dismissive way but he also went out of his way to lurk in a proto-EFAP stream to taunt Rags.
Things escalated in a geek cold war and we got A Critique of Citizen Kane.
Of this video only the 5 minute teaser survives and considering Quinton has only referenced this video once, on a now unlisted video we’ll touch in a bit, has allowed this video to exist in an almost mythical state including the immortalizing of one of Q’s lesser known great quotes: a review is a description of an experience.
The EFAP side narrative as to what happened has prevailed as to what this video was so take this a big cup of salt. A Critique was a video where Quinton mocked Mauler by replicating his reviewing style (long, verbose, going on tangents) to say that Citizen Kane was overrated. What Q was trying to achieve exactly has perplexed Quintstorians for years.
One of the few screenshots from A Critique to survive and official explanation as to what it was supposed to be. According to the main narrative, half of the comment section thought Q was really saying Citizen Kane was overrated and agreed with him and the other half knew of the beef with EFAP and were getting sick of his antics.
In an already very neglected part of the lore, we get a little side story about Quinton’s first Discord fan server revolting against him. Quinton nukes his first fan server and makes a second one called Noah’s Arc, where he invites loyalists and according to the lore, had to almost dox themselves to enter. An anti-fan server is created and tries to recreate the old. Some genius gives Quinton the link and he keeps joining to dunk on his former fans.
With that we close by far the most anecdotical part of Quintstory and pretty much everything from this point onward has piles and piles of evidence.
Do you remember this all started because of TLJ? I Hate Everything (back when he made videos) released a piece that can be summed up as people should be free to like TLJ and was pretty inoffensive compared to the shite made back when. Rags then decides to make a video response (the I drew myself as a Chad and you as a soyjak kind that even breadtubers do) to that video. And then The Right Opinion decided he had to step up and defend IHE’s honor.
This is one of the videos of all time. The first of TRO’s current line-up of over edited video essays on Internet drama. You may not know it because it’s unlisted.
Why is it unlisted?
This video is a fucking pain to watch. If you don’t like TRO, you will hate this video. Is TRO, IHE, back to TRO, Rags, back to TRO for two hours of half-made statements about a fucking space movie. The kicker is that TRO by his own admission doesn’t know anything about Star Wars so he enlisted the help of a friend of his to cover for that.
Can you guess who?
36:41, in case the timestamp done shat the bed.
For a refresher. We’ve established so far that Quinton refused to debate EFAP (again, within his right) but he still enjoyed to mock them from the safety of his own community without giving them the right to talk back. So Quinton accepted to appear on a friend’s channel to talk about a subject involving EFAP and attempted to destroy them with facts and logic. Despite acting very pleased with himself like he just deconstructed their entire existences, Quinton will walk away from this with no major problems than a bruised ego and a tarnished reputation, handing EFAP one of the few Ws they ever got from anyone not named MovieBob.
Quinton dedicated his whole segment to talk about Mauler (and Rags, don’t forget this is a response to him) as two pretentious douchebags that held their opinions on media as fact and a holy crusade while sounding like a pretentious douchebag that held his own opinions as fact and a holy crusade. Basically the pot calling the kettle black and is funnier in hindsight because one of Quinton’s favorite arguments against Mauler was that he needed several hours of tangents to make a point. For extra basedness, Quinton had sent TRO a phony script of his segment so he wouldn’t stop him on using The Right Opinion channel as a battlefield for a disagreement he refused to address like an adult on his own channel.
Suffice to say, no one looked good during this and to boot IHE ended up having an amicable discussion with Mauler over liking TLJ, whereas TRO ended up appearing in EFAP to explain that he didn’t know what Quinton had done because at the time he didn’t check what his editors sent back.
Despite this, the friendship wouldn’t officially die until several months later in an even sadder note.
Hello sickos. Has been a while hasn’t it?
I would like to give you a long string of excuses but my first post turned out to be a self-fulfilling prophecy because I almost lost my password. ALMOST.
Last time I was here in earnest I said I would take you all for a ride down memory lane and explain the genesis of Quinton Reviews discourse, so let’s get us started.
Part I: Humble beginnings
Warning: Tons of text
While a good deal of Quinton’s early videography has been unlisted or deleted, I’ll start here (2016-2017) to lay some context. The channel started largely as a collection of reviews of (mostly) very niche media done in a style reminiscent of Channel Awesome and early Mr Enter and was (mostly) intended to amuse Q and his friends.
Back then the channel largely served as a creative outlet to cope with the average retail worker experience. Like every person that starts a YouTube channel, the Quinton Reviews gang was largely talking to nobody until they started to beat dead horses other cartoon reviewers back then had beaten into mush like Rapsittie Street Kids: Believe in Santa.
Quinton had managed to garner a small audience but like every other YouTuber that wished to grow around 2014-2017, Q decided to jump into commentary videos in order to avoid having to go back to Dollar General. While a considerable amount of Q’s backlog (both the awkward early days and the riskiest commentary) has been expunged (with no one caring to preserve it) they did help build the first incarnation of the Quinton Reviews fanbase. Funny enough, these videos serve best to showcase why Q became (relatively) popular in the first place: he was a scrubby, greasy Everyman that lucked out in a YouTube landscape that was already showing favoritism towards people with looks and generic content. His (then) predilection for not moralizing the subjects of his videos also made him seem more down-to-earth that most of his contemporaries in commentary, a genre that has always favored outrage over levelheaded discussion.
A good example would be his video on Logan Paul’s apology after the incident that we all know about and doesn’t bear repeating. Quinton is charitable to Logan’s regret of how he presented the situation and believes he does have remorse. Granted, a good deal of those videos that would ironically serve to show a favorable side of his character have been hidden so most of this character profile runs on anecdotes but point stands. Q was quite literally a different guy than the ‘unwilling Nick historian’ he is known as today.
Q’s relation to this era of his channel is complicated. He cringes at it and says that these videos were only made to fund his creative endeavors (read reviews and short films). Retroactively Fallen Titans was explained as marriage of convenience between commentary and reviews of media he grew up with since as the series ran on it became more and more clear he didn’t have some grand point to make outside of he no longer enjoying legacy YouTubers.
All that we need to remember to keep going in that Q has a quite complicated relationship with talking about other YouTubers and passing judgement on their character.
And with context we can finally jump to why a not insignificant amount of people ‘hate his guts’.
So we established Quinton Reviews was a commentary channel like every other YouTube channel was in the mid 2010s. What else did channels that wanted to grow in the mid 2010s do?
Align with the skeptics.
Thank you to everyone who got me to 50 likes!
Ngl, you all are very cool. Guess I owe you more professionalism.
https://x.com/phyphor/status/984858858870005760?s=46&t=qm0JUzAUGnSuOWQ7v50ZXg
Got it.
Part II: Got Redpill?
The skeptic community is a clusterfuck that is beyond both my capacity and interest to explain in detail. What you need to know is that much like breadtube (we will get there) it was an umbrella term and there were many people in it that were left leaning and simply didn’t vibe with social justice. A lot of those people were grifters and as such changed teams once it became obvious that breadtube was in corpo pockets.
Quinton is the second from the left in case being that skinny provokes face blindness.
Quinton, doing commentary videos, rose to prominence by quite literally repackaging points idubbbz had made in his Content Cop series and repeating whatever skeptics like Chris Ray Gun and shoe0nhead had said that week. Fittingly a lot of those videos became either unlisted or deleted because of the rebranding that happened in late 2018 and we can’t prove they happened outside of Internet snapshots and accounts by former fans.
For example
Quinton looks at the Tana Mongeau 'N Word' video, sparked by none other than iDubbbz himself. Check out my live reactions here: https://www.
Q made a videos on the Tana Mongeau Content Cop that can be summarized as ‘white people don’t get to be offended on behalf of POCs’ and closed said video by sharing that during his high school graduation the valedictorian lectured an audience of white, lower class people about their privilege.
His response to the Women’s March where he asks what’s the whole point of doing it.
Q reviewed a parody book named after an Austrian painter’s manifesto written by a Spaniard troll at the request of said troll for Patreon money.
Pretty much all of these videos are gone so largely only people that were there can attest or disprove these accounts with accuracy.
What isn’t gone are all of those verified interactions Q and his friends (yes, this includes IH, TRO and Nerd City among many others) had with the skeptics and a major event we’ll be checking later.
Replies from Q’s New York vlog.
Give yourself a pat on the back. You made it through the context. We are finally going to talk about all the spats of 2018.
Hello sickos. Has been a while hasn’t it?
I would like to give you a long string of excuses but my first post turned out to be a self-fulfilling prophecy because I almost lost my password. ALMOST.
Last time I was here in earnest I said I would take you all for a ride down memory lane and explain the genesis of Quinton Reviews discourse, so let’s get us started.
Part I: Humble beginnings
Warning: Tons of text
While a good deal of Quinton’s early videography has been unlisted or deleted, I’ll start here (2016-2017) to lay some context. The channel started largely as a collection of reviews of (mostly) very niche media done in a style reminiscent of Channel Awesome and early Mr Enter and was (mostly) intended to amuse Q and his friends.
Back then the channel largely served as a creative outlet to cope with the average retail worker experience. Like every person that starts a YouTube channel, the Quinton Reviews gang was largely talking to nobody until they started to beat dead horses other cartoon reviewers back then had beaten into mush like Rapsittie Street Kids: Believe in Santa.
Quinton had managed to garner a small audience but like every other YouTuber that wished to grow around 2014-2017, Q decided to jump into commentary videos in order to avoid having to go back to Dollar General. While a considerable amount of Q’s backlog (both the awkward early days and the riskiest commentary) has been expunged (with no one caring to preserve it) they did help build the first incarnation of the Quinton Reviews fanbase. Funny enough, these videos serve best to showcase why Q became (relatively) popular in the first place: he was a scrubby, greasy Everyman that lucked out in a YouTube landscape that was already showing favoritism towards people with looks and generic content. His (then) predilection for not moralizing the subjects of his videos also made him seem more down-to-earth that most of his contemporaries in commentary, a genre that has always favored outrage over levelheaded discussion.
A good example would be his video on Logan Paul’s apology after the incident that we all know about and doesn’t bear repeating. Quinton is charitable to Logan’s regret of how he presented the situation and believes he does have remorse. Granted, a good deal of those videos that would ironically serve to show a favorable side of his character have been hidden so most of this character profile runs on anecdotes but point stands. Q was quite literally a different guy than the ‘unwilling Nick historian’ he is known as today.
Q’s relation to this era of his channel is complicated. He cringes at it and says that these videos were only made to fund his creative endeavors (read reviews and short films). Retroactively Fallen Titans was explained as marriage of convenience between commentary and reviews of media he grew up with since as the series ran on it became more and more clear he didn’t have some grand point to make outside of he no longer enjoying legacy YouTubers.
All that we need to remember to keep going in that Q has a quite complicated relationship with talking about other YouTubers and passing judgement on their character.
And with context we can finally jump to why a not insignificant amount of people ‘hate his guts’.
So we established Quinton Reviews was a commentary channel like every other YouTube channel was in the mid 2010s. What else did channels that wanted to grow in the mid 2010s do?
Align with the skeptics.
Oh boi, has it been a year already. Sorry peeps.
tbh i do appreciate this blog. it’s so hard to find why people dislike quinton specifically without it becoming some weird right wing thing. his biggest problem was (and still is) that he hasn’t matured past high school, and doesn’t seem to have any support outside of his fans.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Is very difficult to get a place to discuss Q that isn’t heavily biased one way or the other.
I agree on the he hasn’t matured past high school thing and that he relies too much of his support on his fans, but surprisingly for what I heard he does have his real life friends around still online is just that they are very busy with their own lives.
sorry but "giving the gamergate crowd a win" is such a disingenuous way to repeatedly explain why dan olson didnt want to let a widow who just found out her dead husband was a criminal potentially get doxxed or harassed by freaks online even if dan facisously used that phrasing one time
You know what, I concede. We can say that he took a sensible decision given the circumstances and that he still has loyalties to his friends to signal boost a video on someone that isn’t his friend. Both can be true.
But the 8chan thing still happened.
is there really nothing of note said in flower gothic's latest vid?
There is but most of it can feel like it’s just a a more concise version of her original video. The highlights to me are:
Flowergothic mentions that she felt from the beginning that her feelings for Q were an infatuation and that they always felt wrong. She now downright says she is ashamed.
She also tested the waters with another person she was closer to (the general implication seems to be that they transitioned but I couldn't verify it, maybe they are just non binary now?) and that this person also received a love confession of sorts. They are the friend that got a medical emergercy.
Her grunkle and a co-worker died the same year, she talks about needing to move either back to Louisiana for work or to KCK for her grandma. All of this is mentioned as context for why she felt she had to confess her feelings.
There's use of the same rhetoric that others have used to criticize Q's response. "If he had a problem about the editing, why he didn't say anything until now?", rose tinted glasses, etc.
Mention to how, since only Quinton fans knew or cared about the situation, she recieved much hostility even though you could argue this was the role reversed DM saga.
reading up on the jew wario/dan olson stuff.... why did you bring any of that up to begin with? dan made one comment about quinton what does he have to do with anything outside of that? it makes no sense without context and with context it just makes you look like insane
I included it as an example of Dan Olson not being above being an ass when he wants to support a point, much in the same way as the now deleted tweets boosting Flowergothic’s video. I included it as a prior known incident to keep in mind. Knowing someone was being highly inappropriate and refusing to do anything about it because you don’t want an ideological rival to have ammo against your side.
The reason was to get a sort of defence for Quinton on how he has mentioned, even as a joke, that bigger creators like to gang on him because of optics. Olson is an ass.
The mention of his prior shit was in a theory post (as in, no one including me, can prove absolutely this was a ‘pre-meditated hit’) and if I made it was because it was a theory made in Quinton circles (as in I started the post by calling it a theory).
TL; DR: The JewWario shit was mentioned as a previous instance of Dan Olson being a ass to suggest he isn’t above twisting a narrative.
On the never ending cycle
So, Flowergothic made another video (which makes a tally of three) and since it doesn’t really add much I’m only mentioning for the sake of accuracy.
unrelated to quinton but jew wario not being named in the change the channel doc was probably for the sake of his widow, what is this gamer gate stuff? tbh that sounds like bs without context but if you can provide some thatd be great
You’re deduction is almost right. It was to protect the victims. It’s relation to GamerGate was that people started digging info related to other Chez Apocalypse members, the CA members that felt they had to make a clear statement on GG.
Here’s a Twitter thread about everything that made the rounds ages ago here on Tumblr.
Do you think quinton did something “worse” like what flower gothic was implying?
Not really. Going back to what she said I think we all just assumed there was going to be something else and Quinton outing her advances aided that perception. She was theatrical, yeah, but really so was Quinton.
Even if there’s something else it’s lost because it happened in Twitter messages neither have access to. That’s where he claims she started to get aggressive.
Who was the start trek trouser checker?
JewWario. The allegations were mentioned in the #ChangeTheChannel document but not the name of the person responsible.
Olson admitted in a forum he wasn’t willing to hand a win to GamerGate by admitting it.