Only here to debunk some anti claims

[fuks]

[citrineghost]

Needed work

[sunshine-zenith]

Okay but like. Ratatouille from Linguini’s perspective tho

You’re some broke, awkward guy in his twenties who can’t keep a job down to the point that you Know that the letter your recently dead mom wrote to her also dead famous friend’s coworker contains Something about giving you employment. So you march yourself down to this fancy restaurant, submit yourself to verbal whiplash, fork over what might’ve been the last thing your mother ever wrote, and become the lowly janitor

Fine, right? I mean, shitty day/week/month/whatever, but you aren’t picky. You have a job, so you can pay rent. Except you accidentally spill like half a pot of soup and you panic. You literally got this job like fifteen minutes ago and you already fucked up. Rent is breathing down your neck so you do the Broke Twenty Something thing where you try to use water to hide the difference, throw in some spices because you have no idea how cooking works, and hope that no one notices despite the fact that one sniff tells you you fucked it up worse.

Then a rat fixes it.

A random rat fixes it.

(You’re broke, you’re mom is dead, and you cook worse than a rat. Imagine that.)

And somehow the soup gets served to a food critic that’s apparently well respected and now you have no idea if you’re gonna be flayed alive by your new boss or given a job you are in no way qualified for. Rent is still a thing.

Then you realize the rat understands human language and knows enough body language to communicate. Then you realize you’re own body is fucking weird because this completely random rat (that you had to explain morality to because he stole some herbs from your neighbor) is controlling your limbs by tugging on your hair. Also you become lowkey famous yourself because the rat is that good a cook.

And you have to go along with it because you need money to eat and not be homeless and you need a job to get money. It hasn’t even been a week.

At least your coworkers are nice enough. You get a crush on one of them and get a crash course on cooking and working in a kitchen and sexism and oh my god like at least three of your coworkers are technically criminals aren’t they?? Also your boss gets you drunk and asks you a bunch of weird questions about pets. You only wanted a job

(The rat makes you kiss the coworker you kinda have a crush on that’s been teaching you everything. What the fuck. You probably have to explain consent to a rat now. Luckily the coworker likes you back and is okay with the kiss, but still. What the fuck)

(Also the rat now seems to have a rivalry with your new girlfriend. What the hell, rat buddy? You’re literally the reason these two are together, and also the girlfriend has been working in the food industry longer than the rat has been alive probably, she clearly knows her shit)

Suddenly, out of nowhere, the rat walks up to you with some documents about how your dead mom’s dead famous friend is your dad. Also your boss did DNA tests on you behind your back (invasive much??). Now you own an entire restaurant because of a deadline in you’re secret dead dad’s will that was like two days away from being moot.

(I dunno about y’all, but I’d need to sit down for like seventy years at this point because there’s like fifty different layers of fucked up here. You grew up without knowing your dad, then you learn you’ve been working at his restaurant. He’s famous and his face is on a bunch of frozen food dishes. Both of your parents are dead. Your mom never told you or your dad about the being related thing for some reason. Your boss did a DNA test on you. You own a restaurant and you can’t even cook. Your new pet rat somehow got this information before you and can apparently read. Your father was a famous chief, your name is literally a pasta, and you can’t even cook. It’s only been a couple months, what the hell)

Now you’re famous and the food critic they lowkey caused your secret dad’s death is after you because he has a weird vendetta going on, and also your rat (who’s like your best friend at this point let’s be real) is acting weirder than usual, but at least you have a better apartment and get to talk about how much you love your super cool and smart girlfriend in public.

Next thing you know, your rat is sneaking other rats into the kitchen, you have to explain that a rat can cook better than you, and everyone quits in the middle of the day (what the heck, one of them probably killed a guy and another was in the circus. The rat thing is weird but like. You can roll with the punches. Why can’t they??)

So while you’re like having a panic attack because of this, your rat unionized his rat friends and now the kitchen is being run by rats. What can you do? You wait tables because what the hell, you’re in way too deep at this point.

(Also, side note, Linguini totally missed out on his true calling as a professional roller skater or something. Dude’s graceless even when he isn’t being piloted by a rat, but on a set of roller skates he’s friggin amazing)

Luckily, your super smart (maybe ex?) girlfriend comes back (even if the whole rat thing is still throwing her off, but hey. It’s prolly nice to have Somebody acknowledge the weirdness of this entire thing without jumping ship). Apparently the food your rat cooks is so good that the food critic that lowkey killed your dad reevaluates his entire life, but now he wants to meet the person that made the meal. What do you do — your (maybe ex?) girlfriend is the only other human here, do you say she made it or do you show him the rat?

You decide to make this Super Important Super Harsh food critic wait hours, then you and your (probably) girlfriend have to show off how you’re weirdly drift compatible with a rat. The food critic just like. Thanks you for the meal and leaves. What do you do?

Also at some point during the night the rats kidnapped your weirdly invasive ex-boss and a health inspector. So yeah, you should probably deal with that.

Then the food critic that lowkey lead to your dad’s death writes this inspirational piece that critizes critics, tanking his own career in the process, only for the health inspector to shut down your dad’s restaurant. But okay, the now ex-food critic now takes the money he made shattering the dreams of other chiefs and invests in your rat best friend’s dreams, and now he’s kinda your friend and you work at the rat’s restaurant with your amazing girlfriend.

All this happened in only a few months. You just wanted a job.

Linguini’s a fucking champion for putting up with all this istg

[sunfloodme]

I need like a day to process this post holy shit. I have thoughts but I need to sit down

[whydidoth]

Me when I'm fixating on two fandoms at the same time:

[elftwink]

[id: a meme of sue from glee with the edited caption, “I am going to create an crossover that is so doesn’t make sense” /end id]

[marsosims]

IMPORTANT

The Philippines has been recently struck by two very strong typhoons in the past few weeks (and another one on the way) and a lot of people have been afected by it. If you can, please pray for us and donate to some donation drives to help those in need.

Many people have been displaced and the flood has reached as far as the second floor. Please pray for us and keep us in your hearts. Thank you. I’ll try to update this post later when I find some links for places to donate..

[meksims]

hi! filipino here, and i wanted to update this post with a couple of handy links and some reminders for anyone who wishes to donate. 

please do not donate to change[.] org. i doubt that any of the money that the organization asks for will go to humanitarian causes.  

do not donate to the philippine government. please don’t. there’s a bigger chance of them taking emergency funds and donations for themselves than them actually using it to help people out. 

with that in mind, it’s better to donate to local donation drives as well as local organizations.

this carrd has good information regarding hotlines, databases for rescue and aid centers, and reputable donation drives. 

this spreadsheet is arranged according to donation method (diff. banks) and also has a paypal sheet for those abroad. 

i will be adding more as i find them in future reblogs, but for now, the spreadsheet and the carrd linked above has donation drives and info you need. 

strongly stressing the following: please do not feel guilty if you are unable to donate. it’s okay if you can’t. signalboosting this with a simple reblog is more than enough. 

[swordofsabbathiel2]

I only made this Tumblr to clear Up some claims about the map community but right now I feel this blog has become nearly redundant. I Guess I'll post some normal posts once in a while.

[lolbiit]

As much as I hate Hoarder’s ass for many obvious reasons, let’s be fair, saying “You can believe I’m into toddlers all you want” isn’t saying “Yeah I actually am into toddlers”

That one’s up to interpretation, a lot agree with you, a lot say it’s a solid confession due to the “what matters is that I’m anti contact” part

I just include it so people can interpret it themselves

[xxrabbitfacexx]

Innocent people just don’t word sentences like that. An innocent man just goes “No I’m not into toddlers”. A clear cut answer to a clear cut question. What they did was word around the question. Deflected it just enough to think they’re not putting guilt on themself and the put the “All that matters is I’m anti contact” cherry on top to fully dismiss bad implications the rest of the sentence gave.

It’s not really all that up for interpretation. It’s just a half confession that you have to dig for a little.

[swordofsabbathiel2]

Hoarder has said that it isnt a map Before but you guys would never listen so of course it Points out that being anti Contact is more important than being or not being a map.

[swordofsabbathiel2]

As for Lolbiits old claim that there were map accounts on Twitter posting real cp, I legit searched Jenna, SirPedo and Bertus’ likes and reblogs for Three hours and  I saw posts dating from 2017 and still saw no real cp. I have followed over 60 map supporter/map accounts on Twitter for Three months and never got any cp in my feed.

[tru-stim]

Hi, I just wanted to warn you hoarder-of-stories-23 is a pedophile who regularly reblogs your stuff- they are also known to harass and trigger minors into relapsing. You really wanna be careful about them, they’ve caused a lot of pain. Just wanted to let you since I saw you’re uncomfortable with MAPs.

I asked them, and they are not a pedophile. They are asexual. Please be careful before spreading rumors like that, they can be damaging. As for the triggering and harassing, I will ask them about that and look into the blog and such. If it’s proven true, I will talk to the other mods about this. Thank you.

[lolbiit]

Hoarder is a very, very good liar. I wish it was just a rumor- but they have been found reblogging simulated child porn, following sim cp and some real cp accounts on twitter, and they openly follow admitted child rapists and call them “ex-offenders”- and are fine with them being around children.

As for triggering:

There was a child (and many others) who were getting continuously triggered by Hoarder’s pro-rape posts (posting things quite literally saying that rapists are valid in encouragement tags, CSA tags, etc (I can get receipts) and we messaged and asked them for many weeks to please stop, as they were upsetting many people and Hoarder wouldn’t stop no matter how many times we asked. Blocking wasn’t stopping the posts from showing up either, and we told hoarder this.

They only stopped when the specific child mentioned ended up relapsing badly due to hoarder’s post and seeking out older men for sexual abuse due to them triggering them.

Even after this, someone who claimed to be hoarder spammed the same child with child pornography in their submissions. I can’t be 100% certain this was them, but we have good reason to believe it was.

They are still following open offenders/rapists/accounts with child pornography on twitter to this day as well.

And even after all this, promising to no longer post pro-rape things in our tags, they are doing it again, and really never stopped.

If you would like receipts, eyewitness accounts- I have them all, as do others.

I just know that hoarder manipulates people and interacts with people who ask for maps not to and I don’t want to see others get hurt by them- they are very dangerous.

[swordofsabbathiel2]

“Hoarder is a very, very good liar. I wish it was just a rumor- but they have been found reblogging simulated child porn, following sim cp and some real cp accounts on twitter, and they openly follow admitted child rapists and call them “ex-offenders”- and are fine with them being around children.“

And you call Hoarder a liar. I have investigated the Close to every map account hoarder was following and found nothing that could be called “real cp”. Theres also the fact that I like Hoarder and everyone else follows everyone who supports maps we can find. Maybe you were referring to an old photo probably decades old that show non sexual nudity? Also, neither I nor Hoarder can keep track on what everyone we follow does.

“As for triggering:There was a child (and many others) who were getting continuously triggered by Hoarder’s pro-rape posts (posting things quite literally saying that rapists are valid in encouragement tags, CSA tags, etc (I can get receipts) and we messaged and asked them for many weeks to please stop, as they were upsetting many people and Hoarder wouldn’t stop no matter how many times we asked. Blocking wasn’t stopping the posts from showing up either, and we told hoarder this. “

Nothing Hoarder ever wrote could be considered “pro rape”. I’m serious, I lterally read about the topic of Hoarder was Writing about in news articles, studies in google scholar, csa prevention programs like the prevention projact also had a podcast about this. 

I remember you saying what you said and I remember thinking that you know, if antis really were triggered by map positivity posts and stuff they should not browse the “antimap tag”. Not that it matters, because back when there was a separate “map positivity” tag everyone and their dog posted there and would invade both “positivity” and “antimap” tags to harass people so I and others thought that there would be no difference. Wait, you couldnt stop seeing the posts even after blocking Hoarder? Thats weird, is it because you follow people who havent blocked them? Maybe then you should get far away from map discourse then and stop following the people who reblog about maps.

“Even after this, someone who claimed to be hoarder spammed the same child with child pornography in their submissions. I can’t be 100% certain this was them, but we have good reason to believe it was.They are still following open offenders/rapists/accounts with child pornography on twitter to this day as well.”

I have seen the evidence available and it doesnt Point to Hoarder, that does not make sense. Why would someone who is supposedly trying to harass someone on anon mention people to draw more suspicion towards them? When asked if they are hoarder the account giving the harassment deactivated. This tells me its someone who tries to blame it on hoarder.

Follow does not mean support. Jewishmagpie admitted to following a terf a while back and she is not a terf.

But in this case I realize that follow does not mean activism. Since Ayden Itte probably is the ex-offender in question here’s some other folks who follow him:

The global prevention Project and two others who dont seem to be affiliated with the map Community.

The last time Hoarder interacted with someone who didnt want to they apologized and it seemed like an honest mistake. Lately antis are the one giving Hoarder Death and rape threats for triggering someone they never talked to nor knew existed.

@tru-stim

[hoarder-of-stories-23]

If we were a MAP, there would be no reason for us to deny it on this blog. Why is everyone so convinced that MAP allies can’t exist? It would be really easy to just go along with what people think, say we’re attracted to minors ourselves, and move on. (It just wouldn’t be accurate.) What motive do you think we have for lying on this?

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

Could be mamy reasons to lie about it? Like being disgusted in yourself, worried for backlash, worried about law enforcement. I personally believe that once you get a cute flag and enable the behavior of maps your causing as much harm as the map themselves. It sounds stupid if I say “im not a murderer I just support them” said person will obviously have underlying murdering tendencies. Talking to maps, especially ex offenders (one of your friends just got caught fliriting with a 12 year old) you will be able to hear the sick things that they had done which would interest you.

But if we believe what you say as true, what your doing with loli and cartoons can be considered illegal in certian countries (as u reblogged yourself). You may be arrested for ownership of cp then your pretty much considered a pedophile. Then your majorly fucked once they see what your friends get up to. And then your equally as fucked if you are put in jail.

[hoarder-of-stories-23]

Thank you for listing those reasons.

Disgust - I guess that makes some sense? We don’t think MAPs are gross, though, and I imagine it would be much more difficult to consistently deny a thing that we feel guilty about that is also true.

Backlash - I doubt that would change much from the backlash we get as an ally.

Law enforcement - I haven’t seen any non-offending MAPs arrested for being open about their attraction anonymously online. And being a MAP or an ally in this community means people report you to the authorities all the time, or at least say they do. There doesn’t seem to be too much of a difference between people’s reactions - look, you just said allies are as bad as MAPs.

The comparison of MAPs to active murderers is… not great. Murderers actually kill people, whereas MAPs just have an attraction to minors, and most of them never commit a sexual offence. Maybe you could compare them to people with violent intrusive thoughts instead!

That person - the current offender who said he was an ex-offender - is not my friend. When it came out that he did that, the entire community rejected him.

To the last paragraph - it’s a good thing that I don’t live in a country where loli/shota is illegal, then, isn’t it?

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

I hope it becomes illegal honey because you need to teach people to fight their thoughts not accept it by jerking off to child anime.

Allys are as bad as maps. Because your accepting the thoughts of others

Are you really so stupid to believe your other ex offender mates arent doing it behind your back? Hon if one person gets caught there will be obviously an underlying problem

Im not a dumbass, dont treat me like one. I know you wont get arrested for being a pedophile openly. But in a lot of countries you can get arrested for doing pedophile things online, flirting with children be one of them, suggested pictures or your obession with cartoon cp.

It’ll never be JUST AN ATTRACTION you peice of shit. Holy crap. It is an awful disgusted attraction which must be fought everyday. All pedophiles or maps need chemical casteration as soon as they realize it to lower their sexual needs. If any map cant handle that then i have no time for them. Watching lolita or whatever you guys call it isnt a long term solution and its just fucked.

[hoarder-of-stories-23]

Acceptance is what professionals recommend as a treatment for MAPs, though. Stigma isn’t helpful and doesn’t prevent CSA.

[swordofsabbathiel2]

Here's the thing: neither hoarder nor the map community at large can control what individual members do. It was terrible that darkmap9/valium did offend but since predators are in every community all the community could do is report him.

[lord-phuker]

Are you the one harassing taylor

No.

[swordofsabbathiel2]

who is taylor?

[ncnova-archived-deactivated2019]

Yeah…. no. Stupid is as stupid does, huh?

[celciusdiscourse]

This is so fucking funny they couldn’t even get it right WHAT fujoshi translates to

(hint: it’s “rotten woman” as in “fermented” - it doesn’t carry the “nasty” connotation in Japanese).

Clearly doesn’t realize the label was invented by homophobic misogynistic men complaining about women “making their media gay”. And also applies rare jokes about nsfw content - or, when used double-ironically, extremely pure and wholesome content - to an entire group located mostly in Japan, made up of 50% of wlw……….

Please. For the love of god. Use google and stop hanging with radfem-wannabes.

[ncnova-archived-deactivated2019]

And for the record, licoricemogai is 15 years old, so I REALLY tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but when it comes to blatant racism? Yeah, fuck that shit. Tumblr wants to always yell about cultural appropriation {and you all should}, BUT the moment a gay person shows that they’re racist as fuck, you all of a sudden all can’t read. Racism is racism is racism. If you’re prejudiced against someone for their skin color, that’s racism. Institutionalized racism is more prevalent and harmful than interpersonal racism, but interpersonal racism no less damaging than institutionalized racism. 

People need to stop being ignorant and think that they are allowed to be bigoted for whatever reason. If you think you’re allowed to be a bigot, you’re an asshole. Point blank. 

[celciusdiscourse]

^^^^^

They might not be blatantly saying “east-asian women are disgusting” but they ARE saying that a subculture started by and consisting mostly of east-asian women is disgusting, even going so far as to lie about the meaning and translation of a word in their language. Just like how racists in america don’t often outright say poc are disgusting, but they do mock aspects of their culture (their hair, their language, their traditions, their religion), they do imply all of them or most of them are inherently something they’re not (criminals, violent, stupid, malicious). And we recognize it as racism.

And it’s still cultural appropriation to take something from a foreign culture and redefine it as you like. A kimono is not “a silk bathrobe” . A fujoshi is not “a homophobic woman” . Yaoi is not “problematic mlm porn”. You (general you) don’t get to redefine another nation’s, another race’s, another culture’s terms. No matter fucking what context you think you’ve seen it here on www.tumblr.com!

[swordofsabbathiel2]

I dont approve of what licoricemogai said, yes, but I Think they sayd fujoshi means “nasty” instead of rotten because they thought it was synonymous.

[swordofsabbathiel2]

wow, viktor-against-maps told me to dm them but they blocked me. @hoarder--of--stories

[swordofsabbathiel2]

Right now i don’t even give a shit about wether Hoarder is faking OSDD or not. (Yes, it has OSDD, not DID) but the claim that it is doing so in order to gain sympathy or talking points does not make sense since it has never acted like it wants to gain any sympathy from antis. In fact I like how it is completely calm and doesn’t even bother with defending itself when interacting with someone who gives death and rape threats and transphobic slurs to it.

[hoarder--of--stories]

Thank you so much.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

Hoarder didnt you claim some people where faking like elise? You really cant get upset about this if so…

[hoarder--of--stories]

I really did not. I would never tell someone that they’re faking. That stuff hurts.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

One of the antis did. I said it might of been you not that it was 100% you.

[hoarder--of--stories]

Yes, I just wanted to confirm to you that I definitely did not do that.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

Sorry i meant map not antis 😂

[hoarder--of--stories]

Oh, no!! Do you know who?

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

The elise stuff was ages ago and many of your and others accounts have been deleted. So no i dont really remember

[lolbiit]

It was Lecter.

Here’s a prime example of Hoarder gaslighting, given:

I and a few friends sent them asks telling them Lecter was claiming Elise wasn’t real and wanting proof of them. (They didn’t post them, coincidentally! Huh, wonder why? And there were multiple… Would’ve been impossible to miss.)

When Lecter was saying Elise wasn’t real, he and hoarder were talking and reblogging each other’s posts constantly… It’s nearly impossible they didn’t see it.

So yeah. Hoarder 100% saw and knew what Lecter was doing, but they know that would make them look bad so they’re gonna pretend they didn’t know.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

Yeah I thought hoarder was a lying bitch but i was a new anti then so I couldnt be sure.

@hoarder–of–stories

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE UPSET WHEN PEOPLE CALL YOU A FAKER ANYMORE SWEETIE.

[swordofsabbathiel2]

They probably did not see saying someone wasn’t real as the same thing as staying someone doesnt have a condition. Because I did.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

They had conversations about it with others and liking posts about it. Highly unlikely they didnt see it

[swordofsabbathiel2]

It did not have Conversations with others about someone faking DID.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

They knew that others where saying they where faking, saying said person isnt real is like saying they are faking the trauma that occured to the kid. I remember an anon saying “the kid should get over it” and hoarder saying thank you.Почему́ ты тако́й жополи́з? Its not a good look on you

[swordofsabbathiel2]

Context: neither I nor many People in the map community even knew that the Elise system even existed, the fact that anons began showing Up accusing Hoarder of triggering someone it never talked to felt suspicious to me so I talked to Hoarder and others about My suspicious around the claims, I thought the anons were making someone Up but now I know better. Also I told hoarder that I hoped the kid was gonna recover.

[swordofsabbathiel2]

Right now i don’t even give a shit about wether Hoarder is faking OSDD or not. (Yes, it has OSDD, not DID) but the claim that it is doing so in order to gain sympathy or talking points does not make sense since it has never acted like it wants to gain any sympathy from antis. In fact I like how it is completely calm and doesn’t even bother with defending itself when interacting with someone who gives death and rape threats and transphobic slurs to it.

[hoarder--of--stories]

Thank you so much.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

Hoarder didnt you claim some people where faking like elise? You really cant get upset about this if so…

[hoarder--of--stories]

I really did not. I would never tell someone that they’re faking. That stuff hurts.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

One of the antis did. I said it might of been you not that it was 100% you.

[hoarder--of--stories]

Yes, I just wanted to confirm to you that I definitely did not do that.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

Sorry i meant map not antis 😂

[hoarder--of--stories]

Oh, no!! Do you know who?

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

The elise stuff was ages ago and many of your and others accounts have been deleted. So no i dont really remember

[lolbiit]

It was Lecter.

Here’s a prime example of Hoarder gaslighting, given:

I and a few friends sent them asks telling them Lecter was claiming Elise wasn’t real and wanting proof of them. (They didn’t post them, coincidentally! Huh, wonder why? And there were multiple… Would’ve been impossible to miss.)

When Lecter was saying Elise wasn’t real, he and hoarder were talking and reblogging each other’s posts constantly… It’s nearly impossible they didn’t see it.

So yeah. Hoarder 100% saw and knew what Lecter was doing, but they know that would make them look bad so they’re gonna pretend they didn’t know.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

Yeah I thought hoarder was a lying bitch but i was a new anti then so I couldnt be sure.

@hoarder–of–stories

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE UPSET WHEN PEOPLE CALL YOU A FAKER ANYMORE SWEETIE.

[swordofsabbathiel2]

They probably did not see saying someone wasn’t real as the same thing as staying someone doesnt have a condition. Because I did.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

They had conversations about it with others and liking posts about it. Highly unlikely they didnt see it

[swordofsabbathiel2]

It did not have Conversations with others about someone faking DID.

[swordofsabbathiel2]

Right now i don’t even give a shit about wether Hoarder is faking OSDD or not. (Yes, it has OSDD, not DID) but the claim that it is doing so in order to gain sympathy or talking points does not make sense since it has never acted like it wants to gain any sympathy from antis. In fact I like how it is completely calm and doesn’t even bother with defending itself when interacting with someone who gives death and rape threats and transphobic slurs to it.

[hoarder--of--stories]

Thank you so much.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

Hoarder didnt you claim some people where faking like elise? You really cant get upset about this if so…

[hoarder--of--stories]

I really did not. I would never tell someone that they’re faking. That stuff hurts.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

One of the antis did. I said it might of been you not that it was 100% you.

[hoarder--of--stories]

Yes, I just wanted to confirm to you that I definitely did not do that.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

Sorry i meant map not antis 😂

[hoarder--of--stories]

Oh, no!! Do you know who?

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

The elise stuff was ages ago and many of your and others accounts have been deleted. So no i dont really remember

[lolbiit]

It was Lecter.

Here’s a prime example of Hoarder gaslighting, given:

I and a few friends sent them asks telling them Lecter was claiming Elise wasn’t real and wanting proof of them. (They didn’t post them, coincidentally! Huh, wonder why? And there were multiple… Would’ve been impossible to miss.)

When Lecter was saying Elise wasn’t real, he and hoarder were talking and reblogging each other’s posts constantly… It’s nearly impossible they didn’t see it.

So yeah. Hoarder 100% saw and knew what Lecter was doing, but they know that would make them look bad so they’re gonna pretend they didn’t know.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

Yeah I thought hoarder was a lying bitch but i was a new anti then so I couldnt be sure.

@hoarder–of–stories

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE UPSET WHEN PEOPLE CALL YOU A FAKER ANYMORE SWEETIE.

[swordofsabbathiel2]

They probably did not see saying someone wasn't real as the same thing as staying someone doesnt have a condition. Because I did.

[swordofsabbathiel2]

Right now i don’t even give a shit about wether Hoarder is faking OSDD or not. (Yes, it has OSDD, not DID) but the claim that it is doing so in order to gain sympathy or talking points does not make sense since it has never acted like it wants to gain any sympathy from antis. In fact I like how it is completely calm and doesn’t even bother with defending itself when interacting with someone who gives death and rape threats and transphobic slurs to it.

[hoarder--of--stories]

Thank you so much.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

Hoarder didnt you claim some people where faking like elise? You really cant get upset about this if so…

[hoarder--of--stories]

I really did not. I would never tell someone that they’re faking. That stuff hurts.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

One of the antis did. I said it might of been you not that it was 100% you.

[hoarder--of--stories]

Yes, I just wanted to confirm to you that I definitely did not do that.

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

Sorry i meant map not antis 😂

[hoarder--of--stories]

Oh, no!! Do you know who?

[viktor-against-maps-deactivated]

The elise stuff was ages ago and many of your and others accounts have been deleted. So no i dont really remember

[lolbiit]

It was Lecter.

Here’s a prime example of Hoarder gaslighting, given:

I and a few friends sent them asks telling them Lecter was claiming Elise wasn’t real and wanting proof of them. (They didn’t post them, coincidentally! Huh, wonder why? And there were multiple… Would’ve been impossible to miss.)

When Lecter was saying Elise wasn’t real, he and hoarder were talking and reblogging each other’s posts constantly… It’s nearly impossible they didn’t see it.

So yeah. Hoarder 100% saw and knew what Lecter was doing, but they know that would make them look bad so they’re gonna pretend they didn’t know.

[swordofsabbathiel2]

Wait, the One who sent anons is Lecter because he doubted Elise was real? I did too at first because we never interacted with any person going by that Name, but now we know better. Still no idea about why that means lecter is the One unless you are saying doubting they exist means saying they dont have DID.

[swordofsabbathiel2]

@hoarder--of--stories Now they are saying you are “gaslighting” people by defending yourself. This is why I dont take Antis seriously.