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...and your change. Hope your day is as pleasant as you are!

[syscoursereceipts]

http://archive.is/61KsG#selection-615.0-853.138 This is the response we were hoping for. Thank you @yourgrandmasboxofbranflakes for apologizing, and we hope all goes well with you.  It’s perfectly okay to not like people. You can not like someone and still be a decent human being towards them. And you just modelled that, and we appreciate and applaud that. 

[syscoursereceipts]

PYPcourse

We were considering not posting this. The "pee your pants" trend had seemed to die down. We didn't want to spark it back up again. But it seems to still be going, as we caught one in the tags today, unfortunately.

This is gonna be a long one, so hold on to your britches, and saddle up for the long ride of discussion of the pyp meme and why it's horrible and ableist – after the cut of course.

This is gonna be a long one, so hold on to your britches, and saddle up for the long ride – after the cut of course.  PYP. “Pee your pants”. “Urinate in your trousers”. Whatever words you use, this is disgusting and ableist.  Not only is it sexually degrading, and generally humiliating and embarrassing. It’s ableist towards people who have problems with continence – and there’s a LOT of those. We don’t know how many, because it’s seriously underdiagnosed, because it’s embarrassing and so people don’t talk to their doctors about it. But what we do know is that a LOT of people deal with it. Like, more female-bodied persons than not, especially if they’ve been pregnant, and especially as they get older – so PYPers are apparently OK with being sexist. People who’ve been sexually assaulted – PYPers are OK with harassing trauma survivors.  People with mental and physical health issues – depression is a major one, though all the research on that goes basically: “There’s a strong correlation but which one causes which? IDFK.” Schizophrenia, and dissociative disorders, are two other major ones – anything that disconnects someone from their sense of their body can cause problems with control of their bodily functions. There’s also a strong correlation between incontinence and autism, though the reason for that isn’t quite known yet. Physical stuff includes, obviously, injury to the urinary system. Disorders that affect how the urinary system is formed and functions. Urinary tract stenosis – narrowing of the tract is a common, usually genetic, cause of continence issues. Connective tissue disorders, like Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome – I know there are a few zebras in the system community! (shoutout @cambriancrew who wrote up the reply that I’m basing a lot of this on, making organizing all this much easier! This section was so much shorter before!) EDS makes you pretty stretchy, and not just your joints – it can affect your skin and internal organs too. And if your tissues just aren’t firm enough to hold things in, well, that’s a problem! (Apparently it can also cause stuff to prolapse, or literally fall out of your body. That is a google image search we do NOT want to ever repeat!) Spinal problems, particularly the closer you get to the tailbone, because a lot of the nerves that connect to your bladder run right through there. Injuries to it, obviously, and spinal stenosis, which is when the spine gets compressed and the space between and around the vertebrae shrinks. That puts a lot of pressure on the nerves there. Also, seizure disorders – accidents can happen when you have a seizure.  Diabetes is another big one – higher blood sugars can cause more urine production, which in turn can cause Problems™. Chronic pain disorders can also contribute, as can chronic constipation and both forms of IBS. (And chronic pain can cause chronic constipation because most pain meds stronger than Tylenol have constipation as a side effect.) Straining to go, or just going a lot, can also screw up other muscles in that area. So. It’s a really big freaking problem that a lot of people have to deal with. Got that?  Now. Here’s the offenders list, the people who need to know that this sort of harassment is Not Okay. (Not going to talk about any other problems by any party on these pages, JUST the PYP stuff. This post is hella long as it is. Practically a CVS receipt at this point.) Remember, people reading this, do NOT harass these folks! Be kind. If you can’t be kind, just say nothing. We’re trying to set an example for what this sort of discussion SHOULD be, with no harassment or insults or ableism or sexism or anything, just honest, polite, and respectful discourse. Last thing we want is to add more fuel to the fire, k?  @endos-pee-your-pants http://web.archive.org/web/20170729052943/https://endos-pee-your-pants.tumblr.com It may be a meme, but that doesn’t make it any less ableist. 2 PYPS, plus the URL.  @endosurinateinurtrousers http://web.archive.org/web/20170729042042/https://endosurinateinurtrousers.tumblr.com/ Oh look at that, three PYPs on that one page, not counting the URL.  @peeyourrpants Just the URL there, so not too bad, I guess? Here’s a web archive of their page anyway. http://web.archive.org/web/20170729041703/https://peeyourrpants.tumblr.com/ And one more who followed that trend:  @micturate-your-pants (No bonus points for using Micturate, this isn’t Scrabble.) http://web.archive.org/web/20170729053412/https://micturate-your-pants.tumblr.com/ Know what else this isn’t? @yourgrandmasboxofbranflakes http://web.archive.org/web/20170729053835/https://yourgrandmasboxofbranflakes.tumblr.com/post/162299257311/hey-endo-systems This system is young, and they seemed to have been having a bad day, and probably didn’t know any better, so let’s be especially kind to them, k? But no matter how old you are, it’s not okay to be ableist. We hope they, and all the others here, learn and don’t do that again. 

And lastly, the one from today. @fedorablesei. http://archive.is/vnS44 Twice in the same post. These were just the ones we found and wanted to highlight. Friends of ours run @pypisableist where they are tracking and counting each use of this that they can. So they have a much more thorough listing of these. If you see any that neither they nor we listed, feel free to send either of us links so it can be tracked, and hopefully, finally put to rest.  

[syscoursereceipts]

It turns out that @endo-killer's post wasn't deleted. Between the time we posted our first callout and them saying "I'm famous!" they apparently changed their privacy settings. They probably turned on "hide this blog from web searches" which is why the Wayback Machine gave us the "this page cannot be archived due to the site's robot.txt" error. But that doesn't protect you from archive.is http://archive.li/h9RY6 No, we're not @thesorority. That would be obvious to anyone who read both anything they write, and our About here. That's a very immature tactic endo-killer used. What's the point in trying to make someone shut up by cussing at them? Does that ever actually work? Or do anything except make the swearer feel better? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-athletes-way/201705/swearing-can-boost-strength-and-reduce-the-sensation-pain Well if it makes them feel better, guess that part of it isn't tooo bad. But this kind of swearing, directed at someone or a group of people (as compared to, say, directionless venting of anger, or if it's directed at a situation instead of a person) is typical of verbal abuse. And that's what makes this #bad syscourse.

[fuckthesystempolice]

So I heard that a gatekeeper used Keldeo in an anti-endogenic thing, so as a huge Pokemon fan for over 11 years and someone who likes the Pokemon Keldeo, I decided to make a system positivity post with the entire Swords of Justice 

Keldeo: Endogenic systems, quoigenic systems, and gateway systems are all wonderful systems! 

Cobalion: It’s okay to stand up for and defend yourselves, but do it safely 

Terrakion: You are still an important headmate, no matter how you came to be 

Virizion: You’re not harming anyone by sharing and talking about your experiences

[endo-killer]

Die

[greysdawnb-deactivated20180104]

Is no one going to call attention to this though lmao

[endo-killer]

U can die too idc

[greysdawnb-deactivated20180104]

Again :v

[endo-killer]

Ur a bad person shoo

[syscoursereceipts]

Whether they are or not is irrelevant. You are the one telling a fellow traumagenic system to die.

Also, your name is violent. You call yourself a killer of endogenics, and so imply that you have murderous intent towards them. That wouldn't be OK for them to do to you, so you shouldn't do that to them.

http://web.archive.org/web/20170729204014/http://greysdawn.tumblr.com/post/163548431714/endo-killer-greysdawn-endo-killer

[syscoursereceipts]

This blog and an offsite mirror will be going live later this week. Before then, we thought we’d answer a few questions.

What is it?

This blog is intended to be a nonpartisan record of the syscourse on Tumblr, both the good as well as the bad. We also intend to make it as independently verifiable as possible.

How are you going to do that?

We will not post anything that is only an image or tumblr link. We will be using the internet archive to get a permanent record of what things looked like when we accessed it. We will only be using things that can be publically and independently verified.

Who are you?

We are a system that has grown tired of certain tactics being used in syscourse.

Yeah but what side are you on?

We’re on the side of respect, and against any and all forms of abuse or bullying. If you must know, we identify as endogenic, and we have gone through trauma and been abused. But that does not mean that we will only be posting things by anti-endogenics. We will even be calling out our own main blog. We haven’t been perfect. Where we have messed up, we have tried to fix it and apologize.

Apologies and changing ways will have a tag here as well, but we haven’t decided on what it will be yet.

Will you accept submissions?

Yes. If it is only a picture or screencap, we may consider posting it under the #unverifiable tag. We will only use #verifiable for things we can publicly source.

Needless to say, #verifiable posts are of much higher priority and concern.

What will you consider as acceptable submissions for #bad syscourse?

Any and all types of bullying and abuse, including namecalling, direct insults, suicide baiting, wishing harm on others, etc.

We will also be looking for examples of #bad logic. That’s harder to define, but here’s a list of logical fallacies we will especially be interested in. http://changingminds.org/disciplines/argument/fallacies/fallacies_alpha.htm

What will you accept as a #good syscourse submission?

Primarily politeness and respect.

Anything else?

Please don’t go digging up old posts. We’ll be checking dates on posts and will almost always ignore submissions of content older than six months. People grow and change over time, and we believe that’s important. We want to encourage people to grow, to engage in polite and respectful discussion. To end the bullying and harassment of those who believe differently.

Because of that stance, we also STRONGLY discourage people from harassing anyone mentioned here.

No matter what side you’re on, the harassment needs to end. Our efforts to hold people accountable for their actions, to publicize the problems and publicly applaud the respectful, will, we hope, help that to happen.