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You can call me tabs, I'm an adult, and I go by she/her.

I'm a long-time tumblr lurker. I was inspired to make this account after seeing a former acquaintance spreading a lot of misinfo about this situation (and similar.) This blogs only purpose is to be an archive. I don't intend to add my main blog (because PT's fanbase is weird >_>) but I am up for friendly chats here!

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Have you seen this take because im still struggling to comprehend the logistics of it

No I saw it. Honestly, I didn't know what to say myself. It seems like another insertion of her incest fetish framed as an intellectual statement. If I HAD to guess, it's probably based on "the spectre of "the pedophile" is a mirage made up by rich white people so they could maintain ownership of their children." post. So basically: people who "own" children are inherently at a position of power, so pedophiles aren't the issue, the parents are. And I guess she's saying any child with a parental power imbalance was inherently abused with coercion. It's hard to make sense of these things because they're not based in reality WHATSOEVER. This circle loves to say things like "well statistically-" but never actually provide data for what they're talking about.

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The way people were trying to give her credit and interpret this video in good faith and add their own experiences and patricia turns around to go "you pedantic puritan scum. I was talking about simba getting molested. Don't misinterpret me." How are you this pretentious!!! Get off your high horse!!!

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anyway kill yourself, you're quite literally a waste of everything you consume by actively stalking people that piss you off enough that you spread misinformation. people that are well adjusted to society, us, will keep on going while you hitlerites are just gonna keep fermenting with the terfs and keep pretending yall are trans friendly in anyway shape or form. blow the roof of your mouth you weeaboo shit

Sorry I spoke out against your favorite racist pedophile you creep. You are NOT well adjusted.

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I just saw this in my inbox..? These people get so mad when you don’t give them attention jeez… I’m not sure how I’m spreading misinformation when the screenshots come from the horses mouth. These people love to conveniently ignore every argument on these sickos but then follow it up with no evidence/context claims as rebuttals. But yeah defending pedophiles definitely makes you a well adjusted member of society and everything I’m sure.

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Notice the choice of moving to blue sky, the app where pedophiles and zoophiles post with zero pushback from moderators. The crats person actually has children by the way.

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hey kittyit is a terf in case you didn’t know

Thank you for telling me, I just saw the post in the tag and hadn’t seen it before so I reblogged without checking. Because, you know, wild statement 😭

[kittyit]

btw all the arguing about whether or not suggestrogen is a pedophile is just fucking stupid. people who aren't pedophiles don't say stuff like this

[i-suggest-therapy]

Before the coward deactivated, she was reblogging from this person who was insinuating children can consent.

There is this idea you'll see a lot in "pedo liberation" groups that the only reason children cant consent is Society.

To be clear, the power imbalance that makes relationships between adults and children inherently nonconsensual is on some level societal, adults have more power than kids societally which is part of what creates the problem. But it is also absolutely developmental. The first 18 or so years of your life, you go through so many developmental changes. These changes are usually not as drastic by your 20s. You'll notice less of a developmental difference between someone who is 40 and someone who is 50 vs someone who is 15 and someone who is 10. It's a very delicate period where you aren't yet as capable of navigating life on your own. That's part of what makes the imbalance so serious. So it is so disingenous to pretend children would be able to consent if only society allowed them to.

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I dont have enough information regarding the situation with isuggestforcemasc so if anyone would be willing to add more context, feel free.

But this is an interesting post. According to her, she was harrassed because she was TMA, but isuggestforcemasc wasn't because he was TME. Bizarre logic to say tje least, but it really exemplifies the kind of weird ideas people like her operate under. Harrassment isn't about what actions take place but about who it's happening to.

She acknowledges what may look like harrassment can sometimes just be the consequences of someone's actions. But this isn't depedant on the context of the situation but rather who has the "correct" label.

I also find these comments about how forcemasc isn't a real kink really funny. Not at all the most important thing, but it's so interesting how kinks to them are about some kind of political liberation and not just things people do for fun. Plus, it once again shows how deeply she hated trans men.

[i-suggest-therapy]

An in depth breakdown of the suggestrogen saga.

Tw for pedophilia, transphobia, csa discussions.

suggestrogen/isuggestforcefem was a popular tumblr account that recently deactivated after facing major pushback from posts she made regarding pedophilia.

There are now multiple popular blogs claiming this was a harrassment campaing, pedojacketing, stalking, etc. Interestingly enough, the people defending her very rarely show what she actually said. So here i aim to compile everything that happened and provide context. If you have heard that this was rooted in transphobia, i encourage you to read this in its entirety and judge for yourself.

Many people are saying her words were misconstrued. According to these people: what she said was this:

"Pedophiles are not ontologically evil, and there is a difference between pedophilia and child abuse."

If this was all of it, while im sure it would have caused discourse because it is a controversial thing to say, I don't think it would have caused this much pushback. But if you actually read what she said, you'll know this wasn't all that happened and it is leaving out huge amounts of context in an effort to make her look better.

1. Previously problematic behavior.

Before this current debacle, isff had already been called out for displaying transphobia towards trans men. Here are some examples of this sort of behavior.

I don't particularly participate in transandrophobia discourse but I find it incredibly disingenous to pretend trans men dont face specific issues. Are trans women affected by forced birth as a means of detransition? Are they affected by claims of being "broken women who cant think for themselves and are being manipulated"? No! This isn't to say there are no issues with the transmasc community or that trans men never benefit from transmisogyny. But one thing is to say that, and another is to consistently villanize trans men, to treat them like they are just as privileged as cis men and face NO struggles of their own. Like the only struggle that matters is that of white trans women.

This is the first example of isff displaying black and white thinking. There can be no nuance regarding trans men and their role in transmisogyny. It's either "trans men are oppressed by trans women" or "trans men are oppressing trans women." There is no room in her head for a potentially nuanced opinion. We will continue to see this as we go forward with her takes on pedophilia.

2. The pedophilia saga.

A few days ago, ISFF posted this:

These are not her own words, she is posting on behalf of a friend. But she does agree with the points made and defends them:

Many people seem to think what she is saying is perfectly reasonable, and while I think many of them are just blatantly malicious, I also think many are just gullible, so I will attempt to break down all her points in good faith.

1. Pedophilia is attraction not action, therefore, calling pedophiles child abusers is unfair unless they actually have abused anyone: This is the only true thing this whole thing says, and even then, it is very disingenous. If a pedophile has not acted on their urges, then they are by definition, not an abuser. HOWEVER, they are more likely to become an abuser due to the persistent nature of the desires. In the same way a person with homicidal urges is more likely to murder someone with time, a pedophile is also more likely to act on their desires if they don't learn to deal with said urges adequately. So technically true, but leaving out the context that yes, these urges do evolve and then lead to actions, to me reads as manipulative. A pedophile is not going to be harmless if they don't do the work to manage their disorder. It's active work, which is why promoting this passive view on pedophilia is extremely dangerous, because it makes people think their urges will be fine on their own instead of actively working on them.

2. Pedophilia is similar to having a noncon kink. If having a noncon kink is okay and not going to lead to rape, then how is pedophilia any different?: False equivalency, kinks and pedophilia are different psychological experiences. Dark kinks are usually not literal. Very often it is the brain creating subconscious symbolism in the realm of fantasy that doesn't reflect their views on reality. So a person with a noncon kink is different than someone with rape urges, which is what a pedophile is.

3. If people who experience attraction to adults are not going to force that attraction on every person they're attracted to, why do we expect the same for pedophiles?: Second false equivalency, ordinary sexual attraction is also a different psychological experience to pedophilia. A gay person is not going to rape every men he meets, but they will still act out their desires in consensual spaces. Plus, unless the person has an unhealthy view on sex, the idea of rape would be distressing enough that it would discourage the person from forcing their attraction. At their core, these desires are rooted in the attraction towards consensual activities, so even in a situation where you find yourself attracted to someone who may not reciprocate, because rape is not in line with your desires, the attraction won't lead to abuse easily (unless as stated, the person does have unhealthy views on sex).

But pedophiles inherently have a disordered view on sex. It is a disorder where you are consistently attracted to people who cannot consent to you, so there isn't this disconnect between their desires and the act of rape. The desire is rape. Additionally, while a gay person can eventually find a consensual partner, pedophiles can't! No, i don't expect gay men to force themselves on every men they meet, but I do realize they'll be inclined to explore their sexuality consensually. A pedophile will probably also feel inclined to explore their sexuality, but there is no consensual alternative.

4. Pedophiles are a marginalized group comparable to queer people: Are they? The people who benefit from the social structures that promote CSA because it aligns with their wants are marginalized? Sure, the topic of pedophilia is taboo, but it is also structurally reinforced, so it evidently isn't the same thing. Now, some people will argue that it is child abusers who benefit, not pedophiles. But a pedophile is just one kind of person who wishes to abuse children. Sure, they aren't the only ones. But they are a demographich that benefits because their desires align with the structures in place. Wanting to rape children for power vs wanting to rape children for sexual attraction isn't that different, both are desires that if acted on cause harm, and the healthy thing to do is to encourage these people to seek help and coping mechanisms instead of telling them "well, it's just like being gay!"

3. Consequences vs call out culture.

Before anyone says this is harrassment. If a popular blog came out defending nazism or terf ideology, wouldn't you all be outraged? You would! And you would understand the push back as not harrassment, but retaliation. So why is it that when it comes to pedophilia you all suddenly turn a blind eye? Suddenly we should just block and move on. Why is this the one topic you want people to stay quiet about?

People say it's because she's trans and... really? The point of trans feminism is to treat trans women as human beings, and I don't think infantilizing trans women as people who do no wrong ever is treating them like humans. Some trans women are bad people, not because of their gender, but because human beings are capable of harm.

It is important however to not pretend this is representative of transfeminism. Terfs will take advantage of this and push the narrative this is an example of trans women being predatory. It is an exaple of a trans woman being predatory. A niche tumblr blog is not representative of an incredibly diverse demographic.

The people accusing those criticizing her of transphobia are ironically pushing this rethoric. By saying criticizing one trans woman is somehow criticizingball trans women, you portray trans women as some kind of monolith. Even though suggestrogen's beliefs are not at all accepted by the trans community at large (and no, your terminally online tumblr mutuals arent the representatives of what most trans women think).

4. What this says about site wide culture:

This really has shown some of the major pitfalls of tumblr culture. Many people will fall for bigoted ideals if presented to them under supposedly progressive language. Many people here treat trans womanhood as a sort of sainthood status where trans women are no longer people, but entities incapable of harm. Many people are attempting to normalize predatory behavior under the guise of kink. Many blogs have been pushing for this for a long time now, and this is just the first person who finally came out and said it without filters. This was the result of a myriad of bad ideologies the site has been fostering finally coming together all at once.

suggestrogen was not harrassed, she was rightfully pushed back against for promoting an ideology that endangers others.

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inherent ability to consent or not for a given kind of person or a given situation is such a terrible framework its only real purpose can be to derail otherwise useful conversations into the ground

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the idea that some people just Can't Consent is just a softer way of normalizing their status as lesser without looking at the specific social relations that constantly reinforce that status, and it stops you from looking at a much more real inverse which is that under these social relations some people in some situations are given much more power to coerce someone into doing what they want.

there is nothing inherent to being a child that means you Can't Consent but rather the position of the child is forced on you and its rhetoric used to strip you of your agency and give 'adults' power over you so that they can use to coerce you into doing anything or saying you agree to anything. stop fucking essentializing our violent suppression

[patternrecognitionenthusiast-de]

Just say you wanna fuck children already, it's easier

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This is so fucking gross. They are desperately trying to justify raping children with pseudo intelectual shit

"oh actually that 12yo CAN consent to me raping them, they are smart and capable and you are an ableist fascist!!"

[britts-galaxy-brain]

Wow.

They really are just wholesale recycling the "promiscuous/seductive child" defense. In 2025. Holy shit.

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"But how does the 900 year old loli feel about this" archive

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Found the first image in my gallery while cleaning it out, looked on their blog, and couldn't find anything about it. I'm not sure if it's deleted or what, but I haven't seen anyone archive it. Anyways. Maybe you should go into public and say, "You can be sexually attracted to animals as long as you don't touch them," and see how people react. All I'm saying is I wouldn't trust you within 15 km of my dog.

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Im not responding to these individually.

Context:

1. Why exactly are you bringing that up in this context. What is your intent. It appears like your only information about youth liberation comes from people (LIKE THIS) on tumblr. Not only that, but you're not accounting for other forms of CS(Abuse). If you have to consume fictional content so as to not harm a child, you need psychological help. These people are sick, and harboring a safe space for them is a disaster waiting to happen.

Context:

2. If you can not infer based on the context of this image as to why it's "yucky" I don't know what to tell you. I wouldn't be offering any benefit of the doubt to this artist after they posted a prepubescent anime girl on their page, but based on how you worded your comment, I doubt you're just uninformed.

Closing thoughts: GET OFF MY PAGE FOGELITES

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GANGSTALKING? I KNOW you people aren't comparing screenshotting from a public social media account (directly attached to a fairly popular artists name) to the cases where people have to outright abandon their homes to get away from their stalkers. Imagine experiencing someone breaking into your home, destroying your property, surveilling you via camera, following you in untagged government vehicles, all for people to think pedophiles getting criticized (on posts they continue to make) is comparable in the slightest.

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Oh I'm sure the art of your babyfur fursona is made in good faith patricia. It's just drawings and toys right. It's not like the artist has any other intentions surely....