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TV moments that have made me cry in real life, actual liquid tears in my eyes and/or falling down my face, this year so far (excluding moments that ALWAYS make me cry from shows i’d watched before 2019):

When James shows up to take Erin to the ‘50s prom after she gets stood up

The juxtaposition of the happy, innocent kids at the talent show and the adults watching the news report of the latest deadly bombing at the end of S1 of Derry Girls

"What’s he sayin’?” “I! AM! A DERRY GIRL!”

All of the Derry girls starting to wear rainbow lapel pins to support Clare

“I’m trying to come out to you” “Well, don’t! Go back in!” (That was more of a Deeply Sad cry)

When Scoutmaster Pat gets to see his baby grandson Pat (“He has my legs!”)

Robin explaining why he loves the moonah (“It’s the only thing that’s been here as long as you have, eh?”)

Mr. Kim realizing that Kimchee’s roommate is Jung and pausing to look at the photos of Jung with Janet over the years since they stopped speaking

The pudding conversation in the hospital in Kim’s Convenience

Mr. Kim singing along from outside the door during the talent show

Mr. Ratburn’s wedding

The Rosa Parks episode of DW13

The Pakistan episode of DW13

Patrick’s proposal to David and FIVE RINGS :’‘‘c

Johnny Rose standing up for Roland and Jocelyn at the fancy restaurant

Stevie’s reaction to Johnny Rose in the hospital :(

“The Rosebud Motel” name-change :(

Moira trying to bond with Stevie and complimenting her and genuinely meaning it

Johnny Rose protecting Stevie when they realized she was being dumped

Will destroying Fort Byers (and, in the same vein, “It’s not my fault you don’t like girls”)

The letter at the end of S3 of Stranger Things, even though I hated Hopper this season

Alexei’s death :( He just wanted his Woody Woodpecker toy and the games weren’t fixed :( The kids were so excited when he won :( “You can do it, mister!” :(

Veronica self-sabotaging any chance of friendship with Nicole

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MUTE THIS POST OR BLACKLIST VMARS4 IF YOU’RE UNINTERESTED, I’m just going to be reblogging this same post to add on with my thoughts as I Update My Thoughts(TM).

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When first we met Logan all those years ago, he was a prototypical bad boy, full of adolescent rage and daddy issues, spoiled and sadistic and gifted with a truly obscene amount of chemistry with one Veronica Mars. The romance that unspooled in the years to follow was tempestuous, tinged with a level of danger that some fans found intoxicating. Show creator Rob Thomas has always been very outspoken as viewing the series through the lens of the traditional – but gender-flipped – film noir. So that dynamite dynamic was built in to the show, with Veronica serving as the hard-bitten private investigator and Logan the homme fatale. But in Season 4, Logan is no longer fatale. Logan is fully reformed. He’s a decorated Navy officer and a stand-up guy. He eats healthy and he loves small children. He regularly goes to therapy to work on his anger issues and continue on his journey of self-improvement. He’s dedicated and considerate and wants to make Veronica his wife. ...[TV] has no patience for characters who exhibit the ability to grow and change. Characters that grow and change throw off the entire balance of a series. If you think too long about how much Logan has done to make himself a better person, then it throws Veronica’s pig-headed refusal to grow beyond the exact same person she’s been since she was 17 into stark relief. To a certain extent, that appears to be the show’s aim. Veronica is furious over Logan’s efforts to heal his psychological wounds, often mocking his sessions with his therapist and goading him into behaving badly because that version of him seems more authentic to her. This demonization of therapy is at best, childish, and at worst, abusive behavior towards someone that she purportedly loves. What Veronica is looking for, what she’s always been looking for on some level, is someone as fucked up as her. If Logan is no longer that, then what use is he? If Veronica refuses to change, how will things ever work out?

‘Veronica Mars’ Season 4 Doesn’t Understand What It Means to Be Strong – Spoilers, Libby Hill @ Indie Wire

This is a really good encapsulation for why media romances, on the whole, are usually so unhealthy. But I also feel like it’s extremely lazy writing (...brings to mind, idk, “Poe and Finn couldn’t go on an adventure together in TLJ because they get along too well and that’s boring”) to suggest that characters who complement one another as much as contrast, and who grow TOGETHER and change ONE ANOTHER are uninteresting as a narrative or can’t sustain a romantic storyline. Kristen Bell’s own other major show, The Good Place, is literally fucking ABOUT how relationships both platonic and romantic cause people to grow and change and how vital that is, and Eleanor/Chidi beats Veronica/Logan out on the heart-stopping romance scale any day. (Jeremy Bearimy, baby. They’re gonna spend every day of forever chilling in the dot of the ‘i’.)

IDK. I really want to see more healthy relationships in media just so there are more examples of what they fucking look like. It is really hard to know that you aren’t in one when you’ve never seen one, or when the only ones you’ve seen have been way outside your peer group or outside of your sexual orientation. I get that it’s uncool and ~anti and fuddy-duddy and whatever to just be like, “I really just want to watch stuff where the people in my ships actually like each other and are good to each other and trying to be good to themselves” but like... that’s a self-insert fantasy, too!

And also I am very tired of intimate partner violence being normalized as sexy when it is not! Even when hotties like Kristen Bell are the ones being abusive! Because I was grossed out with how she treated Logan in VMars4, and that made me very bummed out. Even with how much I like her legs. Good legs doesn’t excuse her goading him about his therapy and trying to trigger his rage response and PTSD and addiction issues, dangit! And neither does being “damaged” herself!

anyway tl;dr unhealthy relationships are lazy writing

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very few moments on television punch me in the gut quite like weevil’s “no, i loved him!” to molly fitzpatrick in veronica mars 2x17 (“plan b”)

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aheavenlyrush replied to your post: “aheavenlyrush replied to your quote: “When first we met Logan all...”:

oh yeah, i wasn't only talking about what happened with logan, i was talking about the season as a whole. the way veronica was so resistant to change and kept sabotaging herself and her relationships. the way she mocked therapy and any kind of introspection. it was painful to watch. she definitely looked down on wallace, too.

Yes, absolutely. And it also just struck me as unrealistic that she would actively mock therapy, given the sheer number of trauma survivors she knows? Logan SURELY is not the only person in her life who sees a therapist and gets real help from it. Duncan saw a therapist and was on meds! He wasn't the best at it, but he was also being gaslit by abusive parents! I'm DAMN SURE Adult Wallace goes to therapy after everything he's been through! Hasn't Mac mentioned going to therapy? I can see Veronica having lost faith in like, inpatient treatment centers after her mom was able to just walk out of rehab, but that's COMPLETELY different. This whole season was just very sad for Veronica. I feel like the final message was almost that like, Keith will be okay, Matty will be okay, Wallace is okay, Weevil will be okay, Neptune will be okay, and Logan was okay -- but Veronica never will be.

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aheavenlyrush replied to your quote: “When first we met Logan all those years ago, he was a prototypical bad...”:

this is an excellent article and i just. feel this kind of profound loss right now because i had so much hope for veronica's future and instead we got this. great

I actually felt a more profound "oh, no... Veronica will never be okay" when she alienated Nicole. She's managed to stay connected to Wallace by the skin of her teeth, and almost like, because Wallace has never LET her disengage herself completely from humanity-except-her-dad-and-her-toxic-thing-with-Logan. But as soon as her immediate internal reaction to having empathy and like, realizing that she had shared pain with Nicole and felt close to her was to distrust her so much and sabotage their friendship on purpose, I was like... that's when I felt very, very sad for the high school Veronica who just wanted justice for her best friend.

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I think I like that Alexis is basically Veronica Mars now.

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very few characters' fates make me sadder than weevil navarro in the vmars movie