#1d discourse

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I’ll never understand the narrative that Louis was surprised about hiatus. Zayn left, Harry was hanging with Azoffs, 1D numbers were declining. Furious? I believe that for sure. But if he was in a situationship with Harry, and if he is the smart business mind we believe him to be, he was not surprised in that meeting (or other meetings).

I think we can see it two ways.

1. Was Louis honest in describing his emotional response to the group meeting about hiatus? Probably yes, with some revision in hindsight.

Steve Bartlett asked whether they met on their own, or whether there were “representatives.” Louis replied tellingly, “It might as well have been representatives.” What representatives? They didn’t have individual managers. Who were these people that Louis was talking about?

Louis used the words “empty” and “cold.” The opposite of these adjectives would be “full” and “warm.” Contrast them to the usual narrative of “arm-in-arm, arm-in-arm.” Louis was describing an emotional scenario when, as a group, they no longer trusted each other to be honest. Louis’ intellect may have suspected something like “hiatus” was coming, but his emotions couldn’t accept that the Harry had changed. Harry had begun looking at his bandmates as commodities, as competition for revenue and fame— the same way that labels did. In hindsight, one could argue that Harry’s “representatives” taught him to see the band this way.

2. Why is Louis telling this story now? Why is he creating a narrative that it was “only the boys” who made the decision about hiatus, and that Sony and Syco let them do whatever they wanted?

Again, thoughts from a mutual below.

It’s funny for Louis to imply that the 1D guys could decide how long the hiatus would be. No forward planning needed by Sony. No shareholder concern over lost revenue while the guys messed around with solo stuff until they all failed and decided to come back, or succeeded and didn’t come back. No concern that the label and fans would move on. Supposedly they didn’t even have their own non-imposed management, but they were making the big decisions about $billions in corporate profit? It’s a fanfic view of the music industry where artists make the choices and helpful labels exist to enable them for their art.

In this telling, the 1D boys take the fall. They were naive; they made bad decisions; maybe they weren’t “brave enough,” maybe they were dishonest. The clowns— Simon Cowell and Modest Management— look foolish but not evil. Does any music exec come out of this badly other than the old bogeymen? Modest Management, not the Azoffs. Simon Cowell, not Rob Stringer. The powerful slip away.

The thing to remember, I believe, is that none of it is really organic. Too much money and power is involved right down the line. Fans are the herd; we’re not the farmers.

“Past the second year, no one can make us boys do something we didn’t want to do.”

And yet Liam was locked in hotel rooms in between concert gigs, emptying the mini bar, becoming an alcoholic and suicidal.

Niall had to perform with a knee that should have been operated on. And every media outlet was full of stories belittling the others and building Harry. And Louis was constantly undermined, described as the asshole of the group, not the singer, not the heartthrob, not the creative talent. The band was worked into the ground to maximize profits before the built-in kill date of 5 years. But they were totally in charge! This is the old basic story they used throughout the band… 5 ordinary lads full of beans and mischief being guided by strict but also lenient Uncle Simon. And Sony… invisible Sony, never blamed by fans even into 2020 because it chose Harry.

It’s more like after 2012, they became fodder in the Sony /Azoff machine. In One Direction, Simon Cowell had discovered a goldmine, which was essentially propping up Syco Music, and Sony wanted a piece of it. Simon tried to play with the sharks in industry, believing he held the cards with 1D. He ended up without a label and his main asset cannibalised. They all believed music is a formula, and no band from reality TV could last longer than 5 years. Stringer and Azoff saw a project to get rich on, a ready-made rock star with a fanatical fanbase, carefully created over three years after squeezing the band dry while carefully setting up its ending, and then this star launched fully formed, purely— of course— on his own outstanding talent! Harry also formed the basis of a new company for Jeff Azoff to run, with media set up to compare him to rock legends before one album even sold. I just think they were never as clever as they thought. They could manipulate and destroy and acquire, but they were so sure 1D was just another boyband, they paid no attention to its uniqueness. They planned for its destruction to create a greater product like Beyoncé or Justin Timberlake. They used a whole new set of tools to get inside fans’ minds, and herded us successfully, to an extent. But even with astroturfing and planted blinds and faux scandals and bought PR, it’s hard to create human magic. Maybe they were too old and hidebound to understand 1D wasn’t just a random band, luckily timed to launch with the explosion in social media. One Direction, instead, was actually a crazy, lucky mix of individually remarkable people— Simon’s one real stroke of luck. Which is why none of them just vanished conveniently after the assassination. The mix was the magic, and imo Louis was the key. On paper, Harry Styles should be covered in stardust. But he lacks things the others had, as they lacked things he had. The band could have evolved like, say, 5SOS, and done solo projects and grown. But Stringer and Azoff are old men with old ideas, and Harry Styles is an old man’s idea of a star.

This rewritten history, though, suggests something has changed between 2022 and 2025, especially after Liam’s death. Someone still cares enough to want the fandom to believe the old fairytales again, just with a bit of a rougher edge to feel like truth. I think it’s why Louis and Zayn are doing a documentary, and why Louis is finally getting another glimpse of the inside of the industry.

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(1/5) Hi Ella! How are you? I hope it’s been a good day for you. I’m a new larrie, and I’d like to ask you something. My deepest apologies if that’s a wrong question to ask. But I wonder why the boys, all the boys in 1D, were so tactile and so touchy-feely with each other from the very beginning? It’s no question one has to be blind not to see smth extra special going on between H and L, but the thing is actually all the boys were so uncannily comfortable with touching each other.

(2/5) Believe me, I know how close members in a band can get, especially when they are young, when they are good friends, and especially when they are touring. They eat together, they drink together, they sleep together (I don’t mean having sex), they play music together, they write music together, they spend all their time together, they meet new people together, they do everything together and they even date same girls (or boys) sometimes. I know that from my personal experience.

(3/5) But I’ve never ever seen boys being so comfortable with close physical contact, be it hugging or kissing on a cheek or booping in nipples or grabbing bums or stroking each other’s hair or any other form of expressing their affection. I remember my eyes popping out when I first saw Louis’ thighs/legs over Harry’s crotch in the Pikachu interview, but then I saw some other videos or gifs with Louis sitting comfortably with his legs over Liam’s down there,

(4/5) and then Harry with his legs over Liam’s down there, or Niall lying on a couch like a mermaid subtly and sneakily caressing Louis’ thigh, and oh, I’d better not start on Ziam. Well, you know how things were with the boys in the first years. So I wonder if you, maybe, could share your thoughts on that phenomenon? Thank you)) P.S. Sorry for my English. If my wording or sentence structure looks weird at times, that’s because English is not my native language.

ohhhhh, what a wonderful ask!!! :') you stopped at 4/5, though, but i assume you were done?

i have, as a matter of fact, given this some thought before. what i think happened is two things:

they were young, teenage babies, and boys can still very much be like kids then, with very little shame or limits or self-consciousness. so i think that was a huge factor in them getting very familiar very early on.

second reason is a lot bigger, bc that first one really doesn't hold for how fucking far it could go, as you've mentioned. it's that from day one, harry and louis were interested in each other/dating. even before the band was fully formed. and then the group dynamics started building, and louis became the older brother/leader of the group, just by pure confidence and charisma. harry was always the baby who always got his way because of course he was also the genuinely sweetest fucking thing ever with a golden heart. but still a baby. the other boys accepted this dynamic bc they obviously all loved louis, above all. they would follow him through anything. so if louis was this big brother they looked up to, this best friend who had your back, and he was always tactile and soft and cuddly and sweet, especially with harry, then it's only normal to me that all the other boys followed suit. and then these three other boys became (older) brothers to harry, too, who picked up that caring/cuddly dynamic and applied it to h, and h returned it to them like a koala clinging to a tree, and then it spread like a tactile virus and then they were all past the point of no return sitting in loveseats with their knees draped over one another's crotches

case in point: louis grabs harry's face. zayn then grabs niall's.

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new rancid quiz dropped: would i have bullied you in middleschool based on ur kinda messy 1D opinions <3

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Fireproof? Fireproof??? Annie i am horrified and sad what did this song do to you to deserve this?? And walking in the wind as well???? Never enough i can understand but but but but fireproof??

Listen mi amor! I remember when fireproof got leaked, and I thought “wow this song is so boring it was not worth it to leak”. It’s just kinda dull. Like it’s not a bad song. If songs are slow, though, I like them to be lyrically interesting and fireproof??? Repetitive and boring. So I skip it. Also don’t love the gambling metaphor (c’est cliché)

Walking in the wind I just never got into. I was kind of one foot out of 1d when mitam came out. It’s not bad, it’s kind of sweet. Just don’t love the howling??? Like the ooooos sound like their trying awoooo like a dog??? Weird (at least in wolves it makes sense)

Let me add though: I will NOT be taking criticism from someone that said ACT MY AGE!!! 😂 that song slaps unironically!! Maybe it’s just bc I grew up on Irish folk, but those strings??? 😁🥰😄

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"i ship Larry" "that's enough activism for today i think"

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i fully rebut the notion that zayn is The Justin One of 1d just bc he left the group. first of all, a lot of ppl act like it’s word of god truth that every boy band has a Justin One, and they don’t. the backstreet boys, the best-selling boy band of all time, doesn’t even have a Justin One (and if you say it’s kevin richardson, fuck you and the horse you rode in on. but not actually. i just wanted to be mean but like - it was a joke. pls know that i care about you). secondly, going solo ain’t equivalent to bein the Justin One. popularity while being in the group is factored in as well in one’s Justin Score. and zayn quitting before one direction went on hiatus took a bite out of his fan base. thirdly, the Justin One is also a comparative measure. popularity and notoriety while in the group and in solo/other group endeavors is stacked against the success in those areas of the other members in the same group. zayn’s had what, one hit, two if you count his duet with taylor swift (who is the person who incontrovertibly guaranteed the success of that song seeing as taylor swift could shit a hit song, not that he had no effect but come on it’s taylor fucking swift)? the others from 1d are pursuing solo careers right now and they’ve both had moderate success, but it’s too early to tell if going solo will really work out in the long run for anyone, and zayn got himself a headstart but has hardly done anything but bitch about 1d for 2 years now, like the snake he is. it’s not too late for zayn to be The Justin One exactly, but his real competition has been harry from the beginning and we all know it. we all have known it since they blew the fuck up in the states in 2012, maybe niall could come outta nowhere and surprise us all but don’t quit your day job bettin on that.

and that’s how you write an informal persuasive essay. thesis, argument, ‘nother argument, ‘nother argument, restate thesis, conclude. make sure not to split it up into paragraphs or cite any sources even vaguely.

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PEOPLE ARE PISSSINNGGG MEEE OFFF What the fuck do u mean they're hating on him because he doesn't like what makes you beautiful?? i fucking can't. ASIIIIDDDEE that it is his right to dislike it almost all ot5 themselves know this is NOT one direction's best song, sure their first single, sure it was a hit, but it's def compared to the masterpieces they released later on, it would be ranked as one of their worst songs, i just can't take it seriously, even as a huge directioner! (i am also a huge solo louie, he is the only one of the boys i listen to and support his solo career, and yes! those 2 things could co-exist!) to be honest if it wasn't for louis (and liam) interfering more as a writer and like sound-maker of the last 3 albums i don't think i would have enjoyed listening to their music as a band like i do now or back then in my teenage years, back in the day i was a kid tbh so, i loved the first 2 albums. But afterwards, I seriously would have secretly looked down at their music. PLUS, ''What Makes You Beautiful'' is LITERALLY the reason non-1D-listeners underestimate the band and the boys, because of how ''cheesy'' (like louis used to call it!) it is; it's literally the ONE 1d song everyone, even in the fandom, makes fun of. Honestly, i get the solo louie frustration with louis always praising and talking about the band, especially that, as we clearly can see, he was always mistreated, shit talked, underestimated, etc., etc. What so many ppl dont acknowledge too and i am pretty sure louis himself doesn't; is his trauma and how the way he was treated added to his imposter syndrome and inferior complex, it wasn't the fame and crazy fans (mostly larries) ONLY that fucked him up but definitely the management TOO, like aside from the obvious that the other boys talked about like being over-worked (especially at such a young age), barely seeing their families, adding to their addictions, inconsiderate and neglecting of their mental AND physical health, i could go on and on, i think louis himself received an odd treatment for no reason, i wouldn't be surprised if they did really give him a harder time than others because he was ''flamboyant'' (more context: i do NOT think he is gay, and if he is; i dont give a fuck! it's none of my business. and i definitely never believed in fuckass larry. BUT u can be flamboyant in a way but not be gay if u get what i mean, people mischaracterise louis as giving off ''gay'' vibes because he doesn't follow toxic masculinity rules if u get what i mean, and he was a little bit ''feminine'' (feminine doesn't equate gay, plus he very much gives off typical straight masculine man vibe BUT he was still a BIT feminine) too back then which is understandable, bro grew up with 6 women at home if not seven😭😭😭(4 sisters, a mum, 2 grandmothers) in my opinion it should make him emotionally smart when it comes to women but none of my business anyway, my point is that; i wouldn't be surprised if management shamed him for that especially that he so obviously used to piss them all because he is stubborn (average teenage boy by the way) and you know he learnt standing up for himself (and others) he wouldn't just take their bullshit and suck it. so aside from the obvious trauma that he does NOT realise or does but isn't loud about it like the others (i personally think he doesn't because like we heard in diary of ceo; he likes to downplay his trauma to take care of those around him lmfao). i can't criticise his praise for the band though not because im a fan of theirs, but because i am just like louis, i get why he does it, he does it out of blind loyalty AND let's be for real right now louis is a slave to nostalgia he loved the band because he loved and trusted the boys, he misses those friendships not the work itself. SORRY FOR MY LOOOOOOOOONNGG RANT. PS. If my husband wrote what makes you beautiful for me, i would kill him, then kill myself. What the fuck is that???😭 no offence...then they call louis the one talentless in writing somehow...of course he didn't want to listen to them, i wouldn't too💀💀

Anon, thanks for the ask! And thank you for sticking up for Louis and for free speech lol.

Let me link a few things:

Louis’ reply on Capital FM about What Makes You Beautiful (November 2025)

An explanation and defense of Louis’ feelings on WMYB

Louis has always been consistent about disliking WMYB

Louis’ previous interview for POPLine Brazil (April 2024) stating that he couldn’t rework WMYB for his tour. In his opinion, it was the “cheesiest” 1D song and not cool.

Often events featuring Louis as a solo artist never played any solo music, but instead played What Makes You Beautiful. Louis won “Artist of the Summer” in 2020, but instead of songs from Walls, the radio station played WMYB. This was at Soccer Aid 2025.

Larries criticizing Louis for “shading 1D music” and for repudiating Larry (because in 2018, Harry said he “fell in love to WMYB”). They interpret Louis’ dislike of a song as his “performing heterosexuality,” part of a pattern of “dissing Larries” and therefore exhibiting internalized homophobia.

Louis states that his reason for disliking What Makes You Beautiful is based on the music itself. I wouldn’t blame him, purely on the basis of being sick of performing it 200 times a year for 5 years straight.

If Louis read or heard any of what Savan Kotecha (songwriter who conceived and wrote WMYB) said about him in Ross Golan’s “And The Writer Is…” in 2017, why would he, as a sane person, continue to support this song in any way? Why would any of the 1D guys?

Incidentally, in retrospect the Golan-Kotecha interview transparently showed that Harry was being prepared as a solo artist in the middle of One Direction’s contract. We now know from Harry’s, Zayn’s and Louis’ interviews that Harry initiated conversation about hiatus, and Zayn and Louis implied Harry waffled about 1D’s future. Kotecha’s answers implied that all the relevant players— label heads, managers, songwriters— knew about Harry’s solo launch, and none of them expected any of the guys except Zayn to have any sort of post-1D performing career. They were already contemplating the style of solo Harry songs while writing for MITAM (e.g. IICF)… even a song like Happily, on Midnight Memories. They were also comfortable dissing Louis, specifically— “you know, that one”— because 1. they knew about Louis’ blacklisting by a major label, and 2. therefore they assumed there would be no repercussions because Louis’ future career was dead. Kotecha specifically criticized Louis’ songwriting skills, contrasting Harry who “was like fucking great, like bringing ideas,” versus Louis— “with like one of the particular members, it was hard to see that person, and like take that person the way he wanted to be seen.” Specifically his songwriting, because Louis wanted control of 1D’s sound, and ended up writing most of the discography. Kotecha has written huge song like Can’t Feel My Face, Love Me Like You Do, No Tears Left To Cry, DJ Got Us Falling In Love, so obviously he’s doing fine, but burning the 1D bridge in 2017 (while sucking up to solo Harry and Zayn) was certainly telling. It also showed the huge industry expectations for Harry’s first album in early 2017 (when the interview took place)– months before his album even dropped.

Louis was not supposed to have a career after 1D.

In a way, as we saw from ALL OF THOSE VOICES, Louis always knew that was the plan for him from the very beginning. He talked about not having any solos in the first single— WMYB— and working hard to be chosen for his first solo in One Thing, only to have it go to Harry. The cards were stacked against him from the very beginning. Because of their disagreements, surely Louis knew that Savan Kotecha disliked him. Yet because of the song’s legacy, 1D was obligated to perform it at every concert until the very end. Embedded within this song is the history of the struggle over One Direction’s … direction, and as you mentioned, it impacts Louis’ feeling of validity as a musician and a songwriter, his imposter syndrome, his exclusion from the performing arena.

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The headline 🙄🙄🙄🙄

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15234299/Louis-Tomlinson-sticks-Simon-Cowell-criticised-following-Liam-Paynes-death.html

Sanitizing the ones who held power over 1D seems to be the theme going forward.

The DM will twists Louis’ words (and they left off Louis’ comment that Cowell loves boybands because they make him a lot of money), but powerful industry people will always have more control over media. Corporate spin will outspin an artist’s spin.

Fans shouldn’t assume that Louis’ current relief from UK / USA radio blacklisting is “just inexplicable good luck” or due to his hard work.

Louis worked just as hard as anyone in 2017-18 but was shut out of all major markets. Suddenly he’s allowed back on BBC Radio. He’s on the Rolling Stone UK cover. He’s getting radio play worldwide. What changed?

The people in power changed their marketing strategy in order to whitewash their responsibility of Liam’s addiction and mental health issues. This focus on Simon Cowell is a distraction.

Cowell lost his clout with 1D long ago. Real power is invisible, with deep pockets and lots more to gain/ lose. And maybe their golden boy has projects coming up that will need a wholesome 1D narrative, the narrative of a band that still loves one another, despite H not supporting Liam, Louis, or Zayn for over ten years.