Might as well condemn the invasion of Nazi germany, at that rate. "violence solves nothing" except for all the times it has ended genocides and stopped fascists because the only language they understand is violence
Anon, your Ask is a masterclass in moral and intellectual failure.
(As I walk you through exactly how comprehensively you've embarrassed yourself here, remember that I'm not a fan of Charlie Kirk's person/worldview/politics, and I do not mourn him.)
Your opening statement, "Might as well condemn the invasion of Nazi Germany," reveals you can't distinguish between (1)a declared multinational war against a state which had already murdered millions...and (2)the domestic assassination of a civilian. The Allied invasion of Nazi Germany was a multinational military response to a fascist empire that had launched a world war and committed industrial genocide. It wasn't political score-settling, vigilante justice, or a private citizen murdering a pundit they didn't like.
If you think murdering Charlie Kirk is analogous to liberating Auschwitz, your moral compass is profoundly broken.
It isn't just historically illiterate, Anon - it's also categorically incoherent. You've committed textbook false equivalence while also smuggling in the implication that condemning murder somehow means condemning all uses of force. Even among all the stupid, shitty straw men I've posted from Asks, this one stands out as particularly stupid and shitty.
"violence solves nothing except when it ends genocides and stops fascists"
That's a tankie bumper sticker at best.
The fact that violence has sometimes been used to fight evil doesn't make all violence noble.
That's like responding to the arson attack on Governor Josh Shapiro and his family by saying "...fire is good, actually, because you can use it to roast marshmallows."
You've named exceptional cases of responses to atrocity while ignoring the overwhelming base rate where political violence fails, backfires, creates, or accelerates the very harms you performatively claim to oppose.
You're also equivocating shamelessly between state warfare and private murder, falsely treating them as interchangeable when they operate under completely different legal, moral, and practical frameworks.
Your claim that "the only language they understand is violence" is perhaps the most damning proof of your broken moral compass.
Ask yourself how you would feel if you head someone suggest that "the only language Gazans understand is violence."
No, really. Take a minute and think about that.
You're asserting group psychology without evidence, erasing documented cases of successful nonviolent resistance, and begging the question by assuming the very thing you need to prove. It's also conveniently unfalsifiable. Any nonviolent failure can be dismissed as proof that "only violence works."
This is peak intellectual dishonestly.
You use "fascist" as a thought-terminating cliche. You offer no criteria for this label, no evidence your target meets any defensible definition, and no limiting principle for when violence wouldn't be justified.
It wouldn't even matter if I agreed Kirk's views supported fascism, because when the definition of "fascist" is distorted to cover anyone you dislike, your argument becomes tribal justification for violence perpetrated by your ingroup against anyone you dislike in your outgroup.
Huh. What sort of governments have made that policy...? Oh yeah, fascist governments. (Horseshoe theory is real.)
You're mining Holocaust trauma to license present-day killing and using extraordinary wartime measures by states as templates for peacetime partisan violence in a democracy...and you don't even have the decency to be ashamed of this?
Or maybe you are ashamed, and that's why you're Anon. You believe the disgusting thing you're saying...but not enough to put your name on it.
In all of this, you dodge the actual question. Instead of addressing whether political assassination should be normalized in domestic politics, you fog the issue with irrelevant historical detours. You ignore available legal and democratic remedies, present a false binary choice between murder and inaction, and completely fail to consider reciprocity or societal costs.
If your side can kill "fascists," what happens when the other side adopts your logic? What happens when the cycle becomes impossible to stop? Have you read any history at all?
You offer no evidentiary standards, no exhaustion of alternative remedies, no proportionality tests, and no limiting principles for violence. Just the attitude of he was a fascist, so it's okay to murder him and this has no societal consequences.
Without boundaries, this is just permission slip for whatever violence you happen to favor.
'By any means necessary' thinking is juvenile, short-sighted, ignorant bullshit, and all you're doing with it is engaging in post hoc rationalization, treating the act as self-justifying while dressing up vengeance as virtue.
(Seriously, WTAF is wrong with you? Did you not get enough hugs as a child?)
Your Ask is a trainwreck of factual, logical, rhetorical, and moral failings. You've traded on emotive manipulation and elastic definitions to avoid engaging with the actual stakes.
What are the actual stakes? Glad you asked!
The actual stakes are whether we'll normalize political murder as a tool of domestic politics.
If you weren't a cowardly Anon, I'd ask you: now that Kirk is dead, are the "fascists" stopped? Are trans people more free? Immigrants less attacked? No?
It not only accomplishes nothing, it worsens the situation.
If you actually cared about any of these things, you'd be appalled at the damage done to these causes.
You're cheering for the murder of Charlie Kirk because you find it satisfying and emotionally resonant to see someone you dislike murdered.
I didn't like Charlie Kirk either, but I'm not celebrating or justifying this because I haven't lost my humanity or knowledge of history.
The depth of your intellectual poverty here would be impressive if it weren't so dangerous and alarmingly common among the young and the stupid.
If your stance is 'violence is justified if I believe the target deserves it,' then you're not anti-violence, you're pro-murder with caveats.
If so, own that. Don't hide behind the history you obviously haven't studied and clearly don't understand.
You're no better than the people whose murders you endorse. You're them in a mirror.