#anyways wilson...character of all time...

[mohamano]

back in the hatecrimes md building

[prettyupsetnerd]

guess who's back with a DNDADS REDRAW!!

(bc I missed drawing Scary Marlowe)

can you believe it's been two whole years since my s2 obsession....

2024 version under cut

[mobius-m-mobius]

Owen Wilson and Tom Hiddleston at the FYC Emmys 'Loki' panel, April 13, 2024

[cuddytism]

the turn from cameron and wilson being our house-related co-conspirators to it being cuddy and wilson is so fast you don't even realize it. you go from season 2 to season 3 and all of a sudden wilson and cuddy are around each other so much more, and the premiere of that season solidifies them as our new co-conspiring duo.

i think it's really easy to go through the entire show and feel like wilson and cuddy were close the entire time but... they weren't. prior to season 3 they had very little to do with each other. i wouldn't necessarily call it a relationship retcon; Meaning seems to imply that they had grown closer in the two months between the end of season 2 and beginning of season 3, and even before that with the date in Forever. but there is a very distinct jump in their closeness and likelihood to share a scene or scheme between seasons.

prior to season 3, it was pretty firmly cameron and wilson playing the roles of The Ones That Care About House--not that cuddy didn't care about house at that time, just that she did it solitarily--so i find it interesting that they all but completely ditched the cam/wilson duo for cuddy/wilson in this season.

the reason that i believe this happened is quite the boring one; cuddy needed more screentime, and it evens out the character dynamics. they're trying to solidify her as being a Main Character, now that she's getting her own storylines, as well as the fact that this season is the one where the role of 'love interest' for house undoubtedly shifts to cuddy, where it'll stay for the rest of the show. the closer cuddy gets to house, the closer she has to be to wilson. the less that cameron is interested in house, the less she feels the need to seek out wilson, and vice versa.

it's strange how unnoticable this change is when you aren't paying attention, though. because it doesn't come out of nowhere, it does build, it isn't like wilson and cuddy have never plotted before (hello! Detox!) or that cameron and wilson stopped having scenes together completely. it's just that things are changing. in a way that feels... sort of natural, so it doesn't really catch you off-guard. it's kinda jarring on paper, but in practice i think it works.

character dynamics are changing. character roles are changing. change is a big theme of the season, and though it's quite hammered in by the finale, it starts at the very beginning. with these two!!! there's a reason the first real scene of season 3 is of cuddy and wilson conspiring in her office. it's solidifing this change, without us even realizing it.

[iwasbored777]

I'll never recover from the fact that the first time we see Logan, he's drunk, lonely and depressed and everyone in his world hates him, while in the last scene he is so happy, having fun with his new friends in his new home. Logan helped Wade save the world but Wade saved Logan.

[twilight-deviant]

Me compiling, for no real reason, all the times Fisk and Matt have successfully killed each other.* The winner with most kills may surprise you... It's Matt.

*(If I'm missing any instances, let me know.)

Matt Kills Fisk

[What If? (1989) #2]

An alternative to the Born Again arc where Matt, at the end of his rope after being put there by Fisk, kills him in an act of desperation.

[What If Karen Page Had Lived? (2004)]

What If where Karen lives (in hospital) and Matt's feelings become more vengeful than depressed. Mysterio kills himself when confronted, and Bullseye is apparently too sociopathic to punish? So Matt goes after Fisk for his smaller role in the event. (It's a good comic, even if the reasoning to get there feels convoluted and forced. Like I don't think he'd skip Bullseye.)

[What If? Daredevil Vs. Elektra (2009)]

Matt is killed in college but revived by The Hand with no memories of his former life. He becomes a killer, with Fisk being one of his targets.

[Daredevil: End of Days (2012) #1]

Fisk returning to the city after exile and striking a deal with the feds is apparently the last straw for this Matt. (DD S3, eat your heart out.)

[Spider-Gwen (2015) #28]

"Murderdock" worked for Fisk but killed his boss in order to take his place as Kingpin.

Technicality?

(This gets... half a point. Maybe.)

[Daredevil (1964) #380]

[Daredevil (1964) #380]

Incorrect rumors told by separate witnesses over what happened when a ship that Fisk, Matt, and others were on exploded. At least two of the three iterations appear to have Matt killing Fisk. I wouldn't say it counts because this isn't what actually happened, but storytelling is storytelling.

Fisk Kills Matt

[Powerless (2004) #6]

After other attempts fail to silence blind attorney Matt Murdock (not enhanced or Daredevil), Fisk kills him following one final confrontation.

[Daredevil 2099 (2004)]

Fisk's grandson, Samuel, recounts how Kingpin killed Daredevil, ending their rivalry. (Samuel is the new Daredevil. But also Kingpin as well.)

[Darkdevil (2000) #2]

Fisk gave the order to kill Daredevil and Daredevil was killed. I would say this counts. But what ultimately takes Matt down is getting in the way of bullets meant for someone else. The text box calls it a sacrifice. So yes? No? Is the act of sacrifice what killed him, or was he simply murdered? Would Matt have lived if he weren't protecting someone else? I suppose yes, we'll call it murder.

Technicalities

[Devil's Reign (2021) #5]

Fisk does and does not kill Matt here. He kills Matt's real/not-real twin brother Mike (who was pretending to be Matt) due to anger over his original memories of Daredevil's identity being erased from his mind. Unclear whether it counts. In its favor, not only is Fisk fully convinced he's killing Matt Murdock, but Mike is a creation based off Matt's original portrayal of him. He is and isn't part of Matt. Mike was a real boy with his own life at this point though.

[Marvel Knights: Millennium Visions (2001)]

It meets the basic criteria of being a universe where Fisk kills Matt, but this is all we have. Does one page of text really count? A lot of this comic (mostly text) is filled with jokes about other Marvel characters that aren't meant to be taken serious (like the other DD mention). While I like the concept they imagine here, I think it needs more effort than, "Be cool if..."

[Marvel Versus DC: Assassins (1996)]

This one definitely does not count because it's not Matt. It's not technically Marvel? It's a feminine Marvel/DC mashup of two separate characters, Daredevil (Marvel) and Deathstroke (DC), to create a completely new character. But the Kingpin/Riddler amalgamation kills her (by grossly ripping off little horns he previously had surgically grafted to her skull) so...

[he-wears-fine-things-well]

I made an island for my Logan polycule to flourish on and so far Wade’s in love with Scott, Morph’s in love with Wade, and when I tried to get Logan to fall for Morph when they were talking to Wade he fell for Wade instead. Tomodachi Life is so goated

[teardropwolf]

Day 1 of Weardrop's birthday event

This isn't canon btw. Just for funsies.