what is moon square Saturn and mars square Saturn like and how do I deal with it? I think I've been struggling with these ones specifically a lot
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For the Moon/Saturn or Mars/Saturn Square person ⬇️
🚫long post 🚫
*For those curious about how to deal with Saturn in particular, this might help? Capricorn/Aquarius placements and influenced people as well.
So let’s start with Saturn - authority figures, early influences, boundaries/limitations, some of these could very strongly be self-induced. As in, you limit yourself and you limit your recklessness/action - only to scold yourself later for doing something you already did, saying it’s reckless/thoughtless later on when you couldn’t have known beforehand/had not experienced it before and thus, kept yourself in a box for safety and tread carefully even when sometimes that’s not going to help you at all?
The idea is that ‘actions/thoughts have consequences’ - and these ideas - even when they’re subconscious keep you subversive in a box you fit yourself into. You’re the one who deals out personal consequences to yourself, you’re the one who does the punishing more than authority figures do, because in a way - it may have came from early childhood teaching/tradition that you kept with you as examples of ‘acceptability’ and what’s not. Some of the earlier formed ideas becomes techniques/ideologies you use - like perseverance, cunning, hard-work - these things may often be enforced/taught through challenges that are easier to absorb in earlier childhood, but also has the subtle consequences of emotional isolation/detachment at an earlier age (Moon), leading to thinking ‘objectively’ and detachment from more nurturing/sentimental ideas. This in turn can influence the person to be less nurturing to themselves and less encouraging in a fulfilling way (supportive, not brash/harsh) as well. Which becomes a problem later in life that one has to work through and learn how to remedy that.
Independence is often a common factor in these people, or wanting to be more well-informed and well-versed in their individuality (stand out in a way that’s not too flashy but more through well-earned respect/popularity from others) - even though fulfillment comes from being connected to others. Saturn may often want the person to be the ones other depends on, but they may be attracted/repulsed by the idea sometimes, especially if they can’t ‘trust’ themselves to come out the other end of the deal successfully. That’s also limiting you on being yourself, exploring, changing or using the opportunity to grow as a person. The journey can change a person, but the expectation/ideals you set for yourself you carry it around with you and drag it along as extra luggage on your back/shoulder to keep yourself grounded.
So. Moon/Saturn and Mars/Saturn square can point to these. The Moon can also talk about progression of events - most likely in the early childhood you may have been curious about something and observe punishment/people talking about how it may not be a good thing, but by obliging/reinforcing that idea, were praised for it, and thus form earlier foundations in our lives. In reality as you grow, certain things may now come across as self-limiting and self-deprecative sometimes. Not allowing yourself to heal and grow as a person or go ‘free’ as some people do because you may not be completely comfortable with letting these things you keep close to you ‘go’ - even if it’s for a little while. Inhibition is something that can be good, but too much can be detrimental to the person. Even when you start to act out or actively look for opportunities to free yourself from the chains (Mars) - you may still scold yourself for doing so after or regret coming to that decision/impulsiveness, because the consequence of that Saturn is to talk about long-term damage and how you could realistically ‘hold up’ without gratuitous reward/what you get out of it materialistically. If it doesn’t seem to lead up to anything, fulfill your long-term desire or give you the gratification you need- Saturn may as well scold your Moon/Mars for acting out of it’s own wants, it’s desire and impulses. And thus, it becomes a? cycle? routine sometimes.
Anyways. It’s not bleak or bad, there’s ways to help. As much as Saturn limits you - the way to remedy is also to think about it in a long-term perspective. Since the problem is pertaining a planet that wants to be satisfied with things looking back, achieving, having stuff come together. You’ll also have to think about your own emotional desire/impulse and letting go of certain instances (lack of inhibition) as moving towards free-ing your Moon/Mars more as well. Stand up for accepting the parts of yourself that is wild and you may not know as well yet, don’t let Saturn scold or discipline it into submission again - even if the reasoning/logic behind it seems to make sense, this isn’t about that but having faith in yourself and trusting yourself without reason sometimes (other than just you being you, and that’s good enough of a reason to learn to love yourself. Just try not to love Saturn so much that you always oblige by it anymore)
This is about nurturing, and nurturing what you’ve lacked towards yourself for a while which is caring and accepting yourself. Even if certain things freak you out, like disappointment if you tried to do something and failed and your Saturn is scolding you for trying- try to think positively about the long-term effect of what you did. You could get better at it, you could put this Mars into a positive hard-working influence on achieving something you’ve wanted to do. Doesn’t matter if the first outcome came out ‘bad’ - if you accept it, learn how to not think failure as something that’s going to stigmatize you permanently, moving past the fear of failure and how everyone else can see you fail - in order to keep doing your own thing and work towards improving so much/proving others wrong through honest and hard-work can be fulfilling. AND free-ing, which is what we want for you.
Letting others see you fail, seeing yourself fail in something, but letting others participate in your own personal journey to try and get better, do better, be a better person and achieve the kind of life/personality you want to become can be extremely fulfilling. Because you’ve already what? hit your biggest fear, so improving and moving on from that comes with experiencing something new and something personally fulfilling to you. Give something a try - especially if that something is what you want, but you felt unsure whether you’re going to succeed on the first try or not (afraid of criticism/accepting criticism/exposing yourself to that) - taking the first step to help yourself and so you can have a good grasps of where you are realistically is going to help with Saturn trying to help you too.
Technically, Saturn isn’t out to get you all the time. It just values productivity and can be sharp-tongued. Your Moon is sensitive, and your Mars want to get out of it but doesn’t know the proper way how. So you have to be the mediator here or the facilitator between the three - your Saturn needs to know what you’re interested in, and if you’re afraid to commit or let it know your true feelings then you’re constantly going to be suppressed under Saturn.
Your Saturn also just wants to know how realistically you are in your interest/pursuit, what your goal is. If that freaks your Moon out and it starts blubbering excuses/being indecisive - that’s why Saturn scolds it so much. But Saturn would 100% support it’s back if it could tell Saturn what it wants/needs and get a full sentence out. That’s literally all it needs.
With that said, you don’t have to care about your Saturn that much to be honest. Imagine it as like - your internal grandparent/parent. Nagging, and you’re taking care of it but you personally isn’t always licking their every toes and shoes and agree-ing with everything they say. Not saying you don’t have to care about your grandparents or familial relationships, I’m just saying there’s obvious difference between your generation and interests, your belief, how you do things, your motives. It’ll be another story if your Moon/Saturn is trine and that’s like - having them care and understand you. But since this is square, assume that these are more opposing views that just wants the best for each other but don’t really know how to connect/get there without being harsh. Which is the case most of the time even if they wish the best for each other.
Anyways yeah, so to help with Moon/Saturn and Mars/Saturn aspect. Let the kids play! And consider that these kids DO grow up, they grow up to experience ‘bad’ emotions and influences - maybe you find out that your Moon is a jealous-prone thing. Or that your Mars have a tendency to show-off, talk too much or need validation at all times - these are just. Learning how to accept and love them as well. As they are. Recognize that it’s Saturn who’s going ‘oh my god oh no’ and like. Just. let Saturn be and try to raise/nurture your Moon and Mars instead. They WILL get better or learn through experience how to be better. You just have to be there for them for it to help, and nurture them as well. Understand them first, so you can be better together.
Anyways... that’s very long.. but I hope it helps 🖤💖🦇










