#batjokes thoughts

[jonkleringjerster]

you hated me,

and I loved it.

because love and hate are the same.

[cuddlefishkad]

Just some Batjokes thoughts:

I’ve seen a lot- and by a lot, I actually mean a majority- of Batjokes fics where the Joker knows that Batman is Bruce Wayne. Like he found out shortly after their first meeting, or because he pays so much attention to every little detail of Batman’s life and their interactions. And in these fics, Joker always chooses to spring this revelation on Batman everytime he has him cornered or if he wants to cause Bats worry and anxiety, usually when they’re about to have angry hate-sex. There’s a formula to these types of fics. Joker announces this little secret, they have hate-sex, Batman and Bruce Wayne disappear from the public eye from embarrassment and shame only to reappear with his supposed heterosexuality still in tact. He denies his feelings for the Joker when they next meet, Joker gets mad, some chaos and fighting happens, something bad usually happens to the Joker that causes Bats to finally admit that he cares, maybe even loves the clown. Cue happy/angsty/bittersweet ending. Some of these fics involve the Batfamily and they’re enduring hate for the Joker and being completely unsupportive (understandably, mind you) and questioning Batman’s sanity, or Bats keeps it a secret from everyone.

I love these fics. They provide just the right amount of angst and psychological torture amd feelings. So many feelings. There’s also some pretty great character development while still staying in character.

But you know what I love more and is infinitely harder to find?

The ones where Joker doesn’t know. The ones where he doesn’t WANT to know. The ones where for once, Batman is the one with the upper hand in their relationship. Because Batman is so canonically in control all the time, I understand that it’s nice to see him lose that control, to let Joker have the upper hand. But it’s also nice to see the roles reversed. I want Joker to meet Bruce Wayne and not know he’s talking to Batman, maybe Bruce even flirting back, fully aware that he’s flirting with the Joker. I want Joker to fall for Bruce Wayne and have a crisis over whether or not he’s cheating on Batman. I want Bruce to take Joker out on cute dates and Joker being conflicted over whether or not he should hurt him or someone else, maybe go on a killing spree. I want him to realize that because he has Bruce’s full attention that he has no reason to cause crime. I want Joker to take a bank hostage simply because he needs to keep up appearances and when Batman shows up to stop him, he goes on a rant because of his comflicted emotions. I want Batman to encourage him to stay with Bruce. I want Bruce to offer him a safe place to stay in his mansion on the days he’s either running from the police or just needs a break. I want Alfred to watch old movies with him. I want the Batfamily to be uncomfortable and suspicious around him, but still willing to give him a chance (with the exception of maybe Jason and Barbara). I want Joker to slowly, maybe, start to heal.

I want him to one day find out that Bruce is Batman and once again have a crisis of emotion. Should he kill him because he’s Batman? Should he kill him because he lied? Should he be happy that his old love is his new love? I want him to threaten to kill Bruce. I him to hold a gun to Bruce’s head and say he’ll kill him completely straight faced. I want his hand to be shaking but he’s completely serious. I want Bruce to look him dead in the eyes, reach up to steady the muzzle of the gun, and say “Do it.” I want there to be a loud BANG. And when the smoke clears, I want Bruce to still be standing there looking at the Joker with so much love and so much pride that Joker drops the gun and curls up into Bruce’s arms and starts crying. It doesn’t have to be loud sobbing, but he’s still a shaking, nervous wreck. Bruce would wrap his arms around him and gently shush him until the crying and the shaking stop. I want him to gently kiss Joker on the cheek and lead him to bed where they spend the night simply holding each other and talking softly about what to so now.

When they wake up in the morning, I want Joker to realize that he’s been living in Wayne Manor almost exclusively with his new family for almost a year. I want him to realize that it’s been months since he last committed a crime, and even then, it was only a simple robbery with no gags or gimmicks, and nobody got hurt. I want Alfred to make his favorite breakfast and one of the birds to come in and ask if he wants to play laser tag or something. I want Bruce to walk up behind him and kiss his cheek softly and whisper “Good morning.” I want Joker to realize that he’s never been so happy in his life and I want them to live happily fucking after.

These are my Batjokes thoughts.

[jonkleringjerster]

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catharsis 🦇🃏

[jonkleringjerster]

now why did bruce imagine him saying this

[jonkleringjerster]

joker in his big coat

based on this silly fucking outfit

[jonkleringjerster]

on replay of arkham knight i finally realised that the joker infected are representative of all the pillars of joker’s character

johnny charisma is his flamboyant showmanship and that sometimes counterproductive desire to be a showpony

albert represents that despite the strength of mind that joker is known for, he can get down and dirty, hand-to-hand if needed. he’s a fighter at heart

henry is obv the crafty, sly, cruel core of joker. the most important foil to batman and the only edge he has over him, a knack for chaos

THEN i was like what the fuck does christina represent…

then as i was playing through her mission again, i paid attention to all that dialogue. how she is sure batman will save her and how she threatens that batman will hurt the thugs if they hurt her. also just the fact that she swoons over batman in much of her dialogue… i think she represents joker’s infatuation, love of batman.

i rlly like when joker’s obsession with batman is framed as not just a “well of course he’s obsessed with him! we need him to fight batman in a comic issue each week!” but as a genuine, misguided and tragic love. the idea that being mortal enemies forces them together in a kind of fucked up marriage. joker wants to kill batman, batman SHOULD kill joker. but neither will. what else could it be that’s stopping them but love - for the game, for the chase or for each other it doesn’t rlly matter.

arkham knight is rlly well written idk why ppl hate on it for being boring cause it doesn’t have boss fights. this is a story game

[jonkleringjerster]

this image was so sad already but holy shit

are they trying to ruin my week

[jonkleringjerster]

i think i’ve got an odd thing for 50s batjokes… will elaborate